Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 02:46:34PM -0300, ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: > Tell me how to write unicode chars (because is certainly changed) would be > the most correct way to silence me. See Ross Burton's mail in this very thread. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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On Tue, 2006-29-08 at 14:46 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: > You don´t help either... > Are you worried about your paycheck from Nokia or the Open Source? I am > worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. I think you have made your point, everyone has read it. Can we now please move on. Lets see what kind of response comes over the next week or so. Remember this is summer and many people may actually be on vacation. Lets give this a rest for a bit please, we all understand there are some frustrations, mine happens to be bluetooth support but lets give Nokia an opportunity to respond now. Thanks ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: I am worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. You're mostly harmed just by your incompetence. In 90% of stuff you posted the problem was on your side. And I am here as customer, not as community member. Then you are at the wrong place. This is not customer support. when people criticize my work here as analyst I improve it and respect my client, no matter how angry he is. Because customer pays you. This is a community list. You are not paying community members to listen to your rants. Please behave yourself or get lost. Tell me how to write unicode chars (because is certainly changed) would be the most correct way to silence me. No, you got it wrong. In fact, banning you completely from the list would be the most correct way. We are just wasting our time with you. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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It is inappropriate to use a developer community mailing list for customer support.On 8/29/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi aikeuchi-at-santanderbanespa.com.br |maemo.dev/gmailLabelled| <...> wrote: And I am here as customer, not as community member. -- ~tlholaday() ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
Alessandro Ikeuchi ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor(mybuffer, "\u00E3", -1); gtk_text_buffer_insert_at_cursor () expects UTF-8 as the second argument. I don't know what C99 / C++ define for the "\u" excape sequences (probably wide chars or something like this), but I strongly suspect that the internal encoding is undefined and/or machine dependant. I am not at all convinced that this is supposed to work and I suggest that you assume the error on your side. Feel free to point me to the Ansi C99 standard that defines the internal encoding of wide char string constants to be UTF-8 though. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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You don´t help either... Are you worried about your paycheck from Nokia or the Open Source? I am worried about a bad product policy and because I am directly harmed by it. And I am here as customer, not as community member. If you work on Maemo, sorry to say, I tried as a good guy before and nobody remember... Now I spread my rage were I want, because when people criticize my work here as analyst I improve it and respect my client, no matter how angry he is. And I never told nothing personal here, so you and everyone more else with feellings should work better and assure that Maemo is really open to community, because it's not nowadays. Tell me how to write unicode chars (because is certainly changed) would be the most correct way to silence me. -Original Message- From: Anderson Briglia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 14:34 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources... Hi Alessandro, Are you in Brazil, right?! Why don't you request some help from PROCON? ( that means Consumer Protection Department, from whom is not in Brazil). ;-) I believe they can help you with your frustrations. As far as I understood, you are not interesting in improving anything here, you just want to "spread" your rage. When you buy something you already MUST know what you're buying. Anderson Briglia On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a > colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, > so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs > could be covered by releasing the sources... > > I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for > my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work > properly (try to change font color). > > Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for > screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? > (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my > Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) > > "Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a > piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications > of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL > APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) > > MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about > Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, > python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, > there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly > updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available > too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia > budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... > Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I > would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 > programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a > Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released > applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's > the weakspot of Nokia 770... > > Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my > useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have > Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of > development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the "linux, open source > and free for all stuff", Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed > off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, > confident about the "debian based" OS... Hacks are good when works and > when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time > spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and > doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free > per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform > sources). > > My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development > policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for > anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP > instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games). > > Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 > > > > Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode > conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional > ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O u
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
Hi Alessandro, Are you in Brazil, right?! Why don't you request some help from PROCON? ( that means Consumer Protection Department, from whom is not in Brazil). ;-) I believe they can help you with your frustrations. As far as I understood, you are not interesting in improving anything here, you just want to "spread" your rage. When you buy something you already MUST know what you're buying. Anderson Briglia On 8/28/06, Alessandro Ikeuchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by releasing the sources... I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work properly (try to change font color). Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) "Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of Nokia 770... Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the "linux, open source and free for all stuff", Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, confident about the "debian based" OS... Hacks are good when works and when you have control (sources), otherwise it's non sense time spending... (try to discover why GTK API works in your Linux x86 and doesn't in OS2006 is a good mental exercise if you have 18 hours free per day, because nobody knows and you will never see the platform sources). My opinion is clear: Nokia 770 won´t prevail with these development policies. I won´t use it and I don´t recommend as plataform for anyone, it's just a annoying gadget, do yourself a favor and buy a PSP instead (at least runs win95 with bochs and have nice 3d games). Alessandro - unhappy owner of a nokia 770 since June/2006 Essa mensagem é destinada exclusivamente ao seu destinatário e pode conter informações confidenciais, protegidas por sigilo profissional ou cuja divulgação seja proibida por lei. O uso não autorizado de tais informações é proibido e está sujeito às penalidades cabíveis. This message is intended exclusively for its addressee and may contain information that is confidential and protected by a professional privilege or whose disclosure is prohibited by law. Unauthorized use of such information is prohibited and subject to applicable penalties. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 12:42:44PM -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: > First, I don´t care about my tone We noticed. Marius Gedminas -- Programs that write programs are the happiest programs in the world. -- Andrew Hume signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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. I say that the hardware is perfect, just freely release the OS with more conviction. End of file. Alessandro -Original Message- From: Devesh Kothari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: terça-feira, 29 de agosto de 2006 10:50 To: Alessandro Ikeuchi Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources... ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: > Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a > colony of ants... I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, > so, Nokia is using it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs > could be covered by releasing the sources... > First I need to point out, I dont like the tone of this message as has been already pointed out in responses to this thread. As for the sources, from a legal stand point all required source is available through the maemo repository. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0rc22/free/source/ Beside that if you check the "About Product" tab in ControlPanel->Device you will find out how you can request source code (which nokia is legally bound to provide) CD from Nokia > I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for > my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work > properly (try to change font color). > I would appreciate if you could attach a log or some more information or file a bug in https://maemo.org/bugzilla Usually we do run some round of test to atleast the example codes refered to in the tutorial. > Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for > screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? > (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my > Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) > I think more of your agression is directed towards maemopad and your inability to modify and achieve your objectives. If that is the case, then I am quite sure the community would be happy to help you out, if you would be a bit more constructive, rather than a "shot everything down" kind of attitude. > "Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a > piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications > of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL > APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) > Well i think that is your perception (and in that you in your own right maybe justified). I myself love various adventure games not available for the device either, so I guess I would be justified in my own right to "shoot everything down too" > MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about > Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, > python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, > there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly > updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available > too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia > Nokia 770 OS 2006 introduces the debian package management, so if thats the way you want to go, I will certainly not come in your way. You could have asked the community to tell you a way to achieve that. I am quite sure, you can gain root and open your favourite xterm and just apt-get remove packages you dont like. You are free to do all experimentation you like at your own risk. Please do post the findings of your results on the mailing list, I of one would be quite interested to know the result. There are also other tools and documentation available on maemo which talks about customizing and building your own rootfs and kernel etc. > budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... > Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I > would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 > programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a > Hildon > I think there has been many flame wars about QT/GTK+, so I would not comment anymore. Maemo and Nokia 770(OS2006) is a GTK+ based device and application development environment. Either you accept that or not thats your choice. By all means experiment with different toolkits and technologies, and if they are done in constructive manner, I am quite sure, you would still find this developer list quite willing to listen and help. > developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are > Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of > Nokia 770... > There are very good reasons for us to extend and customize GTK+ which together with desktop components and services we call hildon. We are as a goal trying to push changes to mainstream (some will be accepted, some wont)
Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia 770 sources...
On Tue, 2006-29-08 at 16:50 +0300, Devesh Kothari wrote: > > In general I am happy to learn from your frustrations to improve maemo > and maemo development experience. > Devesh > This is great. Please provide information about Bluetooth headset support. Is Nokia working on this? When will it be available? ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
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ext Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: > Ok, Maemo docs sucks, the SDK sucks and the Hildon stuff looks like a > colony of ants... > I bought Nokia 770 because I believe OPEN SOURCE, so, Nokia is using > it, isn´t? Where are the sources? The lack of docs could be covered by > releasing the sources... > First I need to point out, I dont like the tone of this message as has been already pointed out in responses to this thread. As for the sources, from a legal stand point all required source is available through the maemo repository. http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo2.0rc22/free/source/ Beside that if you check the "About Product" tab in ControlPanel->Device you will find out how you can request source code (which nokia is legally bound to provide) CD from Nokia > I just wanted to build my own text editor with dead keys support for > my bluetooth keyboard, but even the Maemopad example doesn't work > properly (try to change font color). > I would appreciate if you could attach a log or some more information or file a bug in https://maemo.org/bugzilla Usually we do run some round of test to atleast the example codes refered to in the tutorial. > Unicode only works for the xterm, and worst, Notes does dead keys for > screen keyboard, so, why is so hard to adapt Maemopad for dead keys? > (by the way, I made a working version of Maemopad with GTK for my > Linux x86 box that works as planned, so I am sure that's not me...) > I think more of your agression is directed towards maemopad and your inability to modify and achieve your objectives. If that is the case, then I am quite sure the community would be happy to help you out, if you would be a bit more constructive, rather than a "shot everything down" kind of attitude. > "Nokia 770 is Debian based, Alessandro, should be great!"... It´s a > piece of crap, I never used because I can´t find or port applications > of my interest... There´s no surprise that "REAL AND USEFUL > APPLICATIONS" never appears at maemo repository (with some exceptions) > Well i think that is your perception (and in that you in your own right maybe justified). I myself love various adventure games not available for the device either, so I guess I would be justified in my own right to "shoot everything down too" > MY SUGGESTION FOR THE NEXT RELEASE OF shitOS 2007: Forget about > Hildon, forget desktop, give me a console based OS with Lynx, vim, > python (python for OS 2006 appears in Maemo 2.0 repository, forget it, > there´s no Python version for OS 2006, even the list isn´t properly > updated) and UNICODE support, would be great if CURSES is available > too, or better, with a good framebuffer driver. It would spare Nokia > Nokia 770 OS 2006 introduces the debian package management, so if thats the way you want to go, I will certainly not come in your way. You could have asked the community to tell you a way to achieve that. I am quite sure, you can gain root and open your favourite xterm and just apt-get remove packages you dont like. You are free to do all experimentation you like at your own risk. Please do post the findings of your results on the mailing list, I of one would be quite interested to know the result. There are also other tools and documentation available on maemo which talks about customizing and building your own rootfs and kernel etc. > budget and make the plataform usefull and with lots of space... > Besides, with a real open source OS and simple developing tools I > would try QTopia. The exceptions mentioned above are CONSOLE and X11 > programs, as python, smallbasic, octave, gnuplot... If you are a Hildon > I think there has been many flame wars about QT/GTK+, so I would not comment anymore. Maemo and Nokia 770(OS2006) is a GTK+ based device and application development environment. Either you accept that or not thats your choice. By all means experiment with different toolkits and technologies, and if they are done in constructive manner, I am quite sure, you would still find this developer list quite willing to listen and help. > developer/mantainer pay attention: the best released applications are > Console based! With no fear, Hildon sucks and it's the weakspot of > Nokia 770... > There are very good reasons for us to extend and customize GTK+ which together with desktop components and services we call hildon. We are as a goal trying to push changes to mainstream (some will be accepted, some wont) but you can follow the status on http://maemo.org/maemowiki/MaemoGtk26Contributions > Someone just confirm that I can´t get Notes sources and I'll sell my > useless Nokia 770 and buy Samsung Q1 (try this one if you don´t have > Nokia, believe me, the lower price of Nokia doesn't beat the ease of > development of a Win32 x86 platform, forget the "linux, open source > and free for all stuff", Nokia 770 is not that). And yes, I am pissed > off... I really bought Nokia 770 for my personal business purpose, > confident about the "debia > > based" OS... Hacks are goo
