[maemo-users] Aircrack-ng command line

[Christopher Harris]

I am a new debian user and I am currently working out how to get  
aircrack-ng to work on my Nokia 770. Through the Xterm I am able to  
do a few things but I need a little help in the right direction.   
like initiating, airodump: 802.11 packet capture program, aireplay:  
802.11 packet injection program, aircrack: static WEP and WPA-PSK key  
cracker, and airdecap: decrypts WEP/WPA capture files.
 Also then the format for typing the simple options in the command  
line! I am just typing stuff over and over again with this little  
stylus (haha) like this -a  : forced attack mode 1  
(nothing)-a  : 1 (nothing)   -a  : forced attack  
mode (1/WEP) still (nothing)


Command line in Xterm code
~~~
/ $ aircrack-na

Aircrack-ng 0.5 - (C) 2006
Original work: Christophe Devine
http://www.aircrack-ng.org

usage: aircrack-ng [options] <.cap / .ivs file(s)>

Common options:

-a : force attack mode (1/WEP, 2/WPA-PSK)
-e : target selection: network identifier
-b : target selection: access point's MAC
-q  : enable quiet mode (no status output)

Static WEP cracking options:

-c  : search alpha-numaric characters only
-t  : search binary coded decimal chr only
-h  : search the numeric key for Fritz!BOX
-d : debug - specify beginning of the key
-m : MAC address to filter usable packets
-n : WEP key length :  64/128/152/256/512
-i : WEP key index (1 to 4), default: any
-f : bruteforce fudge factor, default: 2
-k : disable one attack method (1 to 17)
-x  : disable two last keybytes bruteforce
-y  : experimental single bruteforce mode

WPA-PSK cracking options:
-w : path to a directory file
~

If I type this  -q   in the command line

/ $ -q
sh: -q: not found
/ $

Nothing happens

how about how when I try to initiate airodump by typing /usr/bin/ 
airodump-ng


/ $ /usr/bin/airodump-ng
sh: not found
/ $

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Re: [maemo-users] gpesyncd

[Sebi Ryffel]

I had this problem too. The package only asks for libgpevtype0, which i had
obviously. So I did a symlink named libgpevtype.so.1.0.0 to libgpevtype.so.

It worked, but I ran into this bug:
http://bugs.linuxtogo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14

It is fixed by now. But there is no new package yet.

Sebi




On 2/13/07, Jon A. Solworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm trying to set up synchronization on my N800.  Apparently, there
is a problem with the library
(currently installed version is libgpevtype.so.1.0.0).  But libgpevtype0
says that
gpesyncd 0.1-20061130svn depends upon it, yet when I execute gpesyncd:

$ gpesyncd
gpesyncd: error while loading shared libraries: libgpevtype.so.0: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory

Does anyone have a better build of gpesyncd (or other fix)?

thanks,
Jon

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Henri Bergius]

On 2/12/07, Mike Lococo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Continued expansion of the form factor makes me very unhappy.  I wish
they'd have left the stereo speakers off the N800 and tightened up the
form factor, and redundant buttons would make me very sad.


I might be the only one, but I'm actually quite happy about the stereo
speakers. N800 is already starting to replace the iPod for me, and the
speakers mean I don't need to carry travel speakers if I want to
listen to music in a hotel room for example.

Considering for example the portable devices I took for the Death
Monkey (www.deathmonkey.org) trip where space was very difficult to
have, N800 replaces three devices out of four:

* Nokia 770 for web browsing and navigation with Maemo Mapper
* N90 for calling, taking pictures and blogging with LifeBlog (I don't
think we had Maemo Blog then)
* iPod for portable music
* Travel speakers

Without the need to carry iPod and speakers around I would probably
now take the N800 and a proper camera, and replace the N90 with a
smaller phone that would mostly act only as a Bluetooth modem.
Blogging would now happen with the on-screen keyboard of the N800
instead of the phone's numeric pad.

But then again, I guess this is not the kind of scenario everybody
feels connected with ;-)


Mike


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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Frantisek Dufka]

James Sparenberg wrote:
The one thing I find interesting is that lefties have so much trouble.  I find 
the buttons on the left unusable as I have to put the 'pointer' in my mouth 
grab with right hand, partially release the left hand grip to move thumb to 
buttons.  But then again I may just be weird.  From my view it was friendlier 
to a lefty as you never have to switch holding hands.


Well I guess you could operate buttons with your left hand as it doesn't 
need too much precision. I just tried to put my n770 upside down and try 
buttons with my right hand and it doesn't feel bad to me.


However using the pen in righ hand is very hard for me as it often needs 
precise aiming. A a result I hold it in my left hand and that prevents 
me from using the buttons at all at the same time.

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[maemo-users] gpesyncd

[Jon A. Solworth]

   I'm trying to set up synchronization on my N800.  Apparently, there 
is a problem with the library
(currently installed version is libgpevtype.so.1.0.0).  But libgpevtype0 
says that

gpesyncd 0.1-20061130svn depends upon it, yet when I execute gpesyncd:

$ gpesyncd
gpesyncd: error while loading shared libraries: libgpevtype.so.0: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory


   Does anyone have a better build of gpesyncd (or other fix)?

thanks,
Jon

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RE: [maemo-users] Crashes

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

Hmmm... I have a Linux server here I use for development - didn't think of
trying to connect into the N800 using SSH.  I'm going to have to give that a
try.  
Thanks!

Nick Shaw
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of James Sparenberg
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:04 PM
To: maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Crashes

On Saturday 10 February 2007 06:54:33 Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> As I noted in an earlier post, occasionally some programs will fail and
> they are terminated.  On occasion, however, some programs display very
> Windows-like behavior, e.g. the only way to use the system is to remove
the
> battery and wait a bit then reboot.  Specifically, I'll run a program
> (fmradio was one such program) and something occurs that prevents me from
> turning the unit off, closing the application, or doing anything with the
> system.  In short, it's non-functional.
>
> I'm concerned that this will, at some point, corrupt the OS.  Thus far,
> whenever this occurs, I uninstall the offending program.  Thoughts?
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Shaw

On this one.  First Linux + jffs (jiffy file system used on 770/n800) is a
lot 
less likely to be corrupted as a whole than windwos.Normally this means 
that the GUI is locked up rather than the system itself.  On my 770 (and my 
laptop too sometimes) if I have an app that locks the GUI, then, SSH to the 
rescue.  

SSH into the system, from another box, then either kill the offending app or

if what to kill isn't obvious, just do 'shutdown -r now' (without the
quotes) 
or 'reboot'  and the box will shut itself down cleanly, and restart.  A lot 
of the differences in how the OS's react to a hard shutdown center around
how 
they view/use a file.  Windows always writes back any file it opens.  Even
if 
it opens it only to read.   Linux on the other hand writes back a file only 
if it changes and permissions allow writes.  This helps prevent a lot of
file 
corruption and fragmentation IMHO.  (Yes I know this is an overly simplified

explanation but I don't want to either bore or exceed my own ignorance 
*grin*)

James


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[maemo-users] great news!!

[Jonathan Greene]

http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2007/02/high-level-roadmap.html

better and better...

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings

[Larry Battraw]

On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Larry Battraw wrote:
>  Any battery/cell [1] can be overcharged, particularly Lithiums as
> they cannot tolerate overcharge without potentially dire consequences.

I thought Lithium cells came with protection circuits to prevent over charging?


 It depends ;-)  I've purchased "bare" 18650 lithium cells without
protection circuits, and I know laptop batteries generally have
circuits,  no idea about the BP-5Ls the Nokia tablets use.  When I was
talking about lithium cells not being able to tolerate overcharge I
was talking about the bare cells themselves-- not as part of a
finished assembly like the BP-5L.

Larry
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[maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Neil MacLeod]

Marius Gedminas wrote:

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:02:43PM +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
What is annoying is that links that open in new windows (which is by
itself already annoying) trigger twice if I open them with the D-pad
center key.  To clarify: a tap on such a link consistenly gives me one
new window, while the Enter key, no matter how short the press, always
gives me two new windows.

I should go to the bugzilla and file a bug.  And also check if the bug
is still present on the N800.

Marius Gedminas



Marius - sounds like this bug: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=579

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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Larry Battraw]

On 2/12/07, Paul Klapperich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Handspring Visors used to have scrollwheels way back before Palm bought them
back up. That was at or before Blackberrys were gaining traction. Handera
Palm OS products had them, too, I think.

--Paul


 I believe you're thinking of the Sony Palm handhelds, although I
believe you're correct about the Handera verions.  I owned one of the
original Handspring Visors and it had exactly the same number of
buttons as a Palm and no scroll wheel.  I owned a Sony T415 (Palm OS)
which had a scroll-wheel as well as the dubious distinction of having
the worst-designed buttons of any device I've owned, bar none.  They
were _extremely_ small, with narrow ridges projecting upward that were
supposed to look cool.  The up/down toggle switch was so narrow you
had to grab it with a fingernail to reliably move it.

Larry
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[maemo-users] ?OT: Cant set background color w/py2.5 glade notebook widget on 770

[Jeff G]

I can't seem to set the background color of a label widget in a
notebook widget (not the page identifier)

The structure is actually a bit more complicated,and looks partially like

window1
  vbox1
notebook1
   hbox3
  labe1
  vbox2
label3
label4


I'm trying to make the entire notebook have a background color.
setting window1 background works directly on linux
   window.modify_bg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse('#4A85DD'))
on scratchbox had to add similar line for notebook1
   nbook.modify_bg(gtk.STATE_NORMAL, gtk.gdk.color_parse('#4A85DD'))
but can't seem to do it under the 770 implementation

if this is way off topic, sorry, and please redirect me to proper list.

thanks,

Jeff
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Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[Richard Pickler]

> I don't keep any important data on the device, which is why vpn is my
> current project right now.  That way I can get to my storage at home
from
> anywhere.

Which VPN?  I am forced to use PPTP here.  (Nokia 770)



OpenVPN on DD-WRT on a buffalo WHR-HP-G54.  It does not work yet.  Hence why
it is why it is still under the category of 'current project' :)
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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[James Sparenberg]

On Monday 12 February 2007 14:41:42 Paul Klapperich wrote:
> On 2/12/07, James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A friend of mine pointed out something today on this.  Nokia probably
> > would
> > have to license the use of a scroll wheel from the blackberry folks. 
> > They may not be able to do it.
>
> Handspring Visors used to have scrollwheels way back before Palm bought
> them back up. That was at or before Blackberrys were gaining traction.
> Handera Palm OS products had them, too, I think.
>
> --Paul

Never had a handsprings.  And IANAL so I don't know.  Thanks

James

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[James Sparenberg]

On Monday 12 February 2007 13:06:45 Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Neil MacLeod wrote:
> > I think Nokia need to give more
> > consideration to left-handed users - lefties should consider class
> > action suits against big corps citing discrimination and access issues!
> > :)
>
> Yes, someone in US please do sue them :-)
> I am left handed myself so my opinion is of course very strong on this.
> I was really quite shocked that after N770 they actually dared to design
> second device with all butons on left side again. Simply unbelievable to
> me.
>
> Frantisek

The one thing I find interesting is that lefties have so much trouble.  I find 
the buttons on the left unusable as I have to put the 'pointer' in my mouth 
grab with right hand, partially release the left hand grip to move thumb to 
buttons.  But then again I may just be weird.  From my view it was friendlier 
to a lefty as you never have to switch holding hands.

James
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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Paul Klapperich]

On 2/12/07, James Sparenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A friend of mine pointed out something today on this.  Nokia probably
would
have to license the use of a scroll wheel from the blackberry folks.  They
may not be able to do it.



Handspring Visors used to have scrollwheels way back before Palm bought them
back up. That was at or before Blackberrys were gaining traction. Handera
Palm OS products had them, too, I think.

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Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[James Sparenberg]

On Monday 12 February 2007 12:30:47 Richard Pickler wrote:
> Backups.  When I brick the thing, I flash it, and when it boots up, it
> notices there's a backup available.  It will then load all your settings
> and I'm off and running again.
>
> I don't keep any important data on the device, which is why vpn is my
> current project right now.  That way I can get to my storage at home from
> anywhere.

Which VPN?  I am forced to use PPTP here.  (Nokia 770)

James

>
> On 2/12/07, Jeff G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think I somehow trashed my 770.  how do you "easily" recover -like
> > restore original config?


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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[James Sparenberg]

On Monday 12 February 2007 11:53:25 Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> The N800 successor should have a scroll wheel on the side.  It would
> make 90% of my daily stylus use (while browsing the web and reading
> RSS feeds) unnecessary.  Unlike the D pad, scrolling should be purely
> a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
> page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
> pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
> is a very common operation.
>
> Ted

A friend of mine pointed out something today on this.  Nokia probably would 
have to license the use of a scroll wheel from the blackberry folks.  They 
may not be able to do it.

James
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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[James Sparenberg]

On Monday 12 February 2007 09:51:17 Andrew Flegg wrote:
> On 2/12/07, Sergey Udaltsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf :
> > > > 1 *
>
> [snip]
>
> > It loolks like a bit odd solution - reboot the device if one command
> > restarts too many times. It is linux after all;)
>
> It makes sense from a consumer point of view: if something's
> repeatedly dying in user space which is critical to the end-user
> experience, reboot.

Not really as this could cause critical loss of data, or other corruption.  
Besides this is Linux a reboot is not the answer, a reboot resets the kernel 
not just user space.  Since this is a user space flaw, it should be addressed 
with user space 'repairs' IMHO.  

>
> Personally, I'd prefer a confirmation first "A critical process
> [dsp_dld] has failed. It is recommended you restart your Internet
> Tablet.  ", and we've seen from the reboot loops
> with broken RSS handling that it needs some sanity to prevent infinite
> reboots and returns.

This, I agree, would at least would give the user the chance to save data from 
open processes and then restart at a convenient moment in time.  Also it 
would assist the developers in that if everyone and his sister is seeing the 
same cause of this message the noise pointing out the culprit would focus 
their attention on the right cause rather than causing the frustration of not 
knowing where to start.  

James


>
> > Anyway, I am still puzzled - why would idle and charging n800 make
> > dsp_dld restart many times...
>
> It's a known bug:
>
> https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976
>
> Or, rather, a series of bugs - apparently. I suggest you vote on it so
> Nokia can get an update out quickly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew


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Re: [maemo-users] Crashes

[James Sparenberg]

On Saturday 10 February 2007 06:54:33 Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> As I noted in an earlier post, occasionally some programs will fail and
> they are terminated.  On occasion, however, some programs display very
> Windows-like behavior, e.g. the only way to use the system is to remove the
> battery and wait a bit then reboot.  Specifically, I'll run a program
> (fmradio was one such program) and something occurs that prevents me from
> turning the unit off, closing the application, or doing anything with the
> system.  In short, it's non-functional.
>
> I'm concerned that this will, at some point, corrupt the OS.  Thus far,
> whenever this occurs, I uninstall the offending program.  Thoughts?
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Shaw

On this one.  First Linux + jffs (jiffy file system used on 770/n800) is a lot 
less likely to be corrupted as a whole than windwos.Normally this means 
that the GUI is locked up rather than the system itself.  On my 770 (and my 
laptop too sometimes) if I have an app that locks the GUI, then, SSH to the 
rescue.  

SSH into the system, from another box, then either kill the offending app or 
if what to kill isn't obvious, just do 'shutdown -r now' (without the quotes) 
or 'reboot'  and the box will shut itself down cleanly, and restart.  A lot 
of the differences in how the OS's react to a hard shutdown center around how 
they view/use a file.  Windows always writes back any file it opens.  Even if 
it opens it only to read.   Linux on the other hand writes back a file only 
if it changes and permissions allow writes.  This helps prevent a lot of file 
corruption and fragmentation IMHO.  (Yes I know this is an overly simplified 
explanation but I don't want to either bore or exceed my own ignorance 
*grin*)

James


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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Mike Lococo]

Or let them figure out that buttons on both sides (with key 
customization in control panel) are useful for all. And that will make 
both righties and lefties very happy!


Continued expansion of the form factor makes me very unhappy.  I wish 
they'd have left the stereo speakers off the N800 and tightened up the 
form factor, and redundant buttons would make me very sad.


I'm a lefty and I haven't quite figured out why this bothers everyone 
else and not me.  Maybe it's that there are few functions that the 
buttons provide that don't have strong alternatives within the 
touchscreen interface, maybe I just have a higher tolerance for 
inconvenience than your average southpaw.


As far as proposed solutions, I think elegant symmetrical hardware 
design that allows full access in right-handed or left-handed modes 
would be fantastic for the next hardware iteration.  I frown on any 
proposed solution that expands the form-factor, though.


Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

[Paul Klapperich]

On 2/12/07, Levi Bard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> There's a lack of a safe middle ground.  Something like the Maemo Extras
> repository, where the packages (uploaded by the Maemo community) have
> been tested extensively (again, by the community).  Something like the
> Debian unstable/testing/stable split.

Isn't this already Maemo Extras?



I think  Marius is suggesting there be 2 Extra's repositories. One for
stable and one for unstable, so consumers who are worried about problems can
use the Extras Stable and be more certain things won't break, while the rest
of us can use the Extras Unstable and communicate with the developers
whether it's safe or not enough to move to Stable as we all brick and
reflash ;)

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Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

[Frantisek Dufka]

Acadia Secure Networks wrote:

Frantisek,

has this procedure been verified to work on the N800 as well?


Not by me but some people reported success. There is only some problem 
with keys not working in menu sometimes. Workaround is to not to touch 
keys early on boot.


If so then 
the text header in the Wiki entry should probably be corrected to 
include the N800 as well.


Fixed.

Frantisek
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

[Levi Bard]

There's a lack of a safe middle ground.  Something like the Maemo Extras
repository, where the packages (uploaded by the Maemo community) have
been tested extensively (again, by the community).  Something like the
Debian unstable/testing/stable split.


Isn't this already Maemo Extras?




(I see that the reply-to mangling has taken effect.)

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Erik Hovland]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 01:12:50PM -0800, Mike Klein wrote:
> As a lefty I must say this  was a bit of a peeve
> 
> But in reality you don't need "precision" to point a stylus and/or tap
> keystrokesso I've switched rather than FIGHT.
> 
> Works well enough...although switching hands takes some getting used to.

When you are part of the minority, you learn quickly to adapt. Being a
left on many a device that is slightly right-handed biased, I feel
everyone's pain.

I have not gone as far as switch the preferred stylus hand. I prefer to
grab the page w/ my stylus and drag it up or down about a page. This
works pretty well in opera. Fortunately, because using the stylus in the
left hand and hitting the scrollbar is very uncomfortable. I wouldn't
mind the N800 have a personal preference for scrollbars on the left
instead of the right.

There is a bug about lefties:
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100

I know that 1/5th of the global population is lefty. I wonder what the
current population breakdown is for this list is?

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Frantisek Dufka]

Jae Stutzman wrote:
I'm also a lefty...but enjoy every opportunity to use my right hand as 
well. It makes us smarter! 


Yes, that's the positive attitude. But it is hard to keep that attitude 
when trying to type on virtual keyboard with stylus in right hand :-)


All suing will do is make Nokia delay the 
launch of the N990 in the US, and that will make both righties and 
lefties unhappy!


Or let them figure out that buttons on both sides (with key 
customization in control panel) are useful for all. And that will make 
both righties and lefties very happy!


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Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 08:13:47PM +, Neil MacLeod wrote:
> Richard Pickler wrote:
> >The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it 
> >crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame 
> >for).
> 
> Why should you take the blame? This is a consumer oriented device and 
> software installation is promoted as a user feature - it should not brick 
> the device, period!

I'm pretty sure you can install apps from the tableteer certified
repository without bricking the device.

It's impossible to prevent packages from other repositories from doing
so.  Package installation can runs arbitrary scripts as root, and you
can't prevent root from destroying a Linux system.  (Well, maybe if you
lock it down with capabilities/SELinux/something else, but it's hard to
do so without making unable to do anything useful.)

There's a lack of a safe middle ground.  Something like the Maemo Extras
repository, where the packages (uploaded by the Maemo community) have
been tested extensively (again, by the community).  Something like the
Debian unstable/testing/stable split.

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Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

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Frantisek,

has this procedure been verified to work on the N800 as well? If so then 
the text header in the Wiki entry should probably be corrected to 
include the N800 as well.



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Jeff G wrote:

2. make sure to backup !  (I always KNEW it but didn't DO it)


Best backup is dual boot from mmc. IMHO this is a must before doing 
any experiments with the device. Install new firmware, do the basic 
setup and then clone system to mmc before experimenting.


http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card
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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:02:43PM +0100, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> >scrolling should be purely
> >a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
> >page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
> >pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
> >is a very common operation.
> 
> In that case check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ScrollInOperaWithThumb
> 
> Fixing ~/.opera/input.ini is one of first things I do after installing 
> each new firmware. I wonder who actualy wants the 'go to next link' 
> feature. With current rich webpages with complex formatting and tons of 
> links it does not make much sense to me. Why or when should I care about 
> next link on some page?

I find it useful sometimes on my 770.  I tend to be lazy about pulling
the stylus out, and my fingers are too thick to hit on the links
correctly.

What is annoying is that links that open in new windows (which is by
itself already annoying) trigger twice if I open them with the D-pad
center key.  To clarify: a tap on such a link consistenly gives me one
new window, while the Enter key, no matter how short the press, always
gives me two new windows.

I should go to the bugzilla and file a bug.  And also check if the bug
is still present on the N800.

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Jae Stutzman]

I'm also a lefty...but enjoy every opportunity to use my right hand as well.
It makes us smarter! All suing will do is make Nokia delay the launch of the
N990 in the US, and that will make both righties and lefties unhappy!

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Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

[Frantisek Dufka]

Jeff G wrote:

2. make sure to backup !  (I always KNEW it but didn't DO it)


Best backup is dual boot from mmc. IMHO this is a must before doing any 
experiments with the device. Install new firmware, do the basic setup 
and then clone system to mmc before experimenting.


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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Mike Klein]

As a lefty I must say this  was a bit of a peeve

But in reality you don't need "precision" to point a stylus and/or tap
keystrokesso I've switched rather than FIGHT.

Works well enough...although switching hands takes some getting used to.


mike (flashing back to green scissors in k'garten and getting spanked
for being lefty) klein


Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Neil MacLeod wrote:
>> I think Nokia need to give more consideration to left-handed users -
>> lefties should consider class action suits against big corps citing
>> discrimination and access issues! :)
>
> Yes, someone in US please do sue them :-)
> I am left handed myself so my opinion is of course very strong on
> this. I was really quite shocked that after N770 they actually dared
> to design second device with all butons on left side again. Simply
> unbelievable to me.
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Frantisek Dufka]

Neil MacLeod wrote:
I think Nokia need to give more 
consideration to left-handed users - lefties should consider class 
action suits against big corps citing discrimination and access issues! :)


Yes, someone in US please do sue them :-)
I am left handed myself so my opinion is of course very strong on this. 
I was really quite shocked that after N770 they actually dared to design 
second device with all butons on left side again. Simply unbelievable to me.


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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Jonathan Greene]

On 2/12/07, Ted Zlatanov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

(someone on the #maemo channel mentioned the E90 has the same
processor and memory as the N800...  hmmm...)


The E90 will also run about $1000 without carrier subsidy when it's
released in Q3... yikes.  Those hinges and double-screen (not too
mention the keyboard) looks awesome though.


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Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

[Jeff G]

On 2/12/07, Marius Gedminas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:50:04PM -0500, Jeff G wrote:
> I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover.

What you did is not stupid, but it is a common mistake: sudo apt-get
upgrade that tried to upgrade an important system package
(maemo-launcher).

> Nokia770-26:/media/mmc1# apt-get upgrade hildon-libs0
...
> Preparing to replace maemo-launcher 0.17-1.1 (using
> .../maemo-launcher_0.17-1.1sdk1_armel.deb) ...
> Stopping Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher.

There is a process called the lifeguard.  When a critical system process
dies, it reboots the device.  Apt-get upgrade stopped maemo-launcher,
and shortly after that, the lifeguard rebooted the device.

> Unpacking replacement maemo-launcher ...
> Preparing to replace maemo-recorder 0.0.18 (using
> .../maemo-recorder_0.0.19_armel.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement maemo-recorder ...
> -
>
> Now, it keeps rebooting about one 30 seconds after the last reboot

Unfortunately, your new maemo-launcher is not yet fully configured and
cannot start, so the device cannot boot, and restarts.

There are two ways to fix this situation:

  1. Reflash the OS, restore data from backups, reinstall applications
 (and take care not to upgrade maemo-launcher again).

  2. Enable R&D mode and disable lifeguard reset (with the flasher app),
 boot, ssh into it and finish the interrupted upgrade.  Disable R&D
 mode and see if it works.  If it doesn't, use alternative 1.

In my humble opinion, maemo-launcher's preinst/postinst scripts should
never stop it.  That's what, for example, gdm scripts do on desktop
Linux systems: if they find a running X server, the scripts do not
restart gdm.

HTH,
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I wish I had seen this a few minutes earlier.   I just reflashed
Well, I learned a few more things today  :-)
1. how to reflash
2. make sure to backup !  (I always KNEW it but didn't DO it)
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Acadia Secure Networks]

Ted,

I too like the idea of a keyboard. I have a UTStarcom 6700 and the 
keyboard is of the slide out variety which works very well.  Here is the 
url to a www page at the UTStarcom www site that shows an image of the 
unit with the keyboard slid out:


   
http://www.utstar.com/PCD/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=PPC6700&bID=30&sAct=0



This keyboard design gets generally good reviews from users however one 
problem with it is  that keying in numerics is a pain because it 
requires a special key + the selected number. Also, given the handset's 
form factor, the keyboard is a bit small for those with large hands/fingers.



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:51 + Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


NM> Positioning the wheel on the top left or top right shoulders of
NM> the device would work for me (as I'm right handed) but this would
NM> not work at all for a left-handed person who has to rotate the
NM> screen 180 degrees for comfortable use (secondary wheel in the
NM> bottom right corner?)  I think Nokia need to give more
NM> consideration to left-handed users

I agree that lefties get worse usability in general.  The 770 and N800
are not usable with the left hand holding the stylus; I wrote about
this to the list before.  The solution, IMHO, is to provide a flip-out
keyboard that would make the stylus less necessary, and text input
easier.  If the 9000, 9500, 9300, and E90 can do it, why not the
N800++?  The keyboard would also, when closed, protect that nice
screen.

(someone on the #maemo channel mentioned the E90 has the same
processor and memory as the N800...  hmmm...)

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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:02:43 +0100 Frantisek Dufka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

FD> Ted Zlatanov wrote:
>> scrolling should be purely
>> a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
>> page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
>> pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
>> is a very common operation.

FD> In that case check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ScrollInOperaWithThumb

Cool.  But it says ITOS 2006 breaks it.  Will it work with the N800 /
ITOS 2007?  If so, the page should be updated.

FD> Fixing ~/.opera/input.ini is one of first things I do after installing
FD> each new firmware. I wonder who actualy wants the 'go to next link'
FD> feature. 

I like it.  It's just not what I usually want.  A usability study
would have shown that most users most of the time want to scroll down,
not go to the next link in a web page.  So I would just swap, down/up
scroll down/up, and hold down/hold up do previous/next link.

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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Brian Waite]

I have found that on the N800 at least, you can scroll by holding the D pad up 
or down. This little gem has made my browsing totally different. Try it and 
see. It takes about 1/2 second before scrolling but it works well.

Thanks
Brian
On Monday 12 February 2007 15:02, Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> >scrolling should be purely
> > a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
> > page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
> > pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
> > is a very common operation.
>
> In that case check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ScrollInOperaWithThumb
>
> Fixing ~/.opera/input.ini is one of first things I do after installing
> each new firmware. I wonder who actualy wants the 'go to next link'
> feature. With current rich webpages with complex formatting and tons of
> links it does not make much sense to me. Why or when should I care about
> next link on some page?
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Ted Zlatanov]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:08:51 + Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

NM> Positioning the wheel on the top left or top right shoulders of
NM> the device would work for me (as I'm right handed) but this would
NM> not work at all for a left-handed person who has to rotate the
NM> screen 180 degrees for comfortable use (secondary wheel in the
NM> bottom right corner?)  I think Nokia need to give more
NM> consideration to left-handed users

I agree that lefties get worse usability in general.  The 770 and N800
are not usable with the left hand holding the stylus; I wrote about
this to the list before.  The solution, IMHO, is to provide a flip-out
keyboard that would make the stylus less necessary, and text input
easier.  If the 9000, 9500, 9300, and E90 can do it, why not the
N800++?  The keyboard would also, when closed, protect that nice
screen.

(someone on the #maemo channel mentioned the E90 has the same
processor and memory as the N800...  hmmm...)

Ted
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Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[Richard Pickler]

That looks like a very promising option.

On 2/12/07, Paul Klapperich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


One thing you might consider is following the instructions on booting from
an SD card[1], especially if you do your own development or are a power user
that sometimes breaks things. I haven't bricked mine since I've done that
and you can backup the whole OS by simplying backing up the SD Card, so you
could restore without loosing all your settings and data...

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Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[Richard Pickler]

Backups.  When I brick the thing, I flash it, and when it boots up, it
notices there's a backup available.  It will then load all your settings and
I'm off and running again.

I don't keep any important data on the device, which is why vpn is my
current project right now.  That way I can get to my storage at home from
anywhere.

On 2/12/07, Jeff G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think I somehow trashed my 770.  how do you "easily" recover -like
restore original config?

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

[Richard Pickler]

Richard Pickler wrote:
> The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it
> crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame
> for).

Why should you take the blame? This is a consumer oriented device and
software installation is promoted as a user feature - it should not brick
the device, period!



Heh, well, I'm building some of my own packages (raw file utilities) and was
working on getting vpn setup and really messed up the installation of some
things.  At some point in the near future, I have some software projects I
want to work on for this device, and I'm just starting the process of
getting some low level things I want to build off of.

What actually happened though - did the device end up in a reboot loop?


The reboot loop described in that bug is exactly what I'm running into.  It
never makes it to the progress bar running across the bottom of the screen,
which I assume to mean it is running through the init.d scripts.

You may need to provide more details, but quite a few people are

experiencing reboot loops for no apparent reason, check
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=999 for more details.



Unfortunately, I can't really provide any more details as I'm usually
installing things and setting up other things, etc.  Any one thing that I do
could be the culprit.  I usually don't notice it has crashed for a day or
two after I've done something to the device.

My gut instinct is telling me that there's a bug in the jffs file system
they're using (it is jffs right?).  Seeing how it can come from many
different programs, I'm curious if it's just corrupting the file system
somewhere which then makes the thing unbootable.  This is just armchair
developer speculation.

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Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

[Marius Gedminas]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:50:04PM -0500, Jeff G wrote:
> I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover.

What you did is not stupid, but it is a common mistake: sudo apt-get
upgrade that tried to upgrade an important system package
(maemo-launcher).

> Nokia770-26:/media/mmc1# apt-get upgrade hildon-libs0
...
> Preparing to replace maemo-launcher 0.17-1.1 (using
> .../maemo-launcher_0.17-1.1sdk1_armel.deb) ...
> Stopping Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcher.

There is a process called the lifeguard.  When a critical system process
dies, it reboots the device.  Apt-get upgrade stopped maemo-launcher,
and shortly after that, the lifeguard rebooted the device.

> Unpacking replacement maemo-launcher ...
> Preparing to replace maemo-recorder 0.0.18 (using
> .../maemo-recorder_0.0.19_armel.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement maemo-recorder ...
> -
> 
> Now, it keeps rebooting about one 30 seconds after the last reboot

Unfortunately, your new maemo-launcher is not yet fully configured and
cannot start, so the device cannot boot, and restarts.

There are two ways to fix this situation:

  1. Reflash the OS, restore data from backups, reinstall applications
 (and take care not to upgrade maemo-launcher again).

  2. Enable R&D mode and disable lifeguard reset (with the flasher app),
 boot, ssh into it and finish the interrupted upgrade.  Disable R&D
 mode and see if it works.  If it doesn't, use alternative 1.

In my humble opinion, maemo-launcher's preinst/postinst scripts should
never stop it.  That's what, for example, gdm scripts do on desktop
Linux systems: if they find a running X server, the scripts do not
restart gdm.

HTH,
Marius Gedminas
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Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[Paul Klapperich]

I've had the battery drain brick twice I think and both times after I
restored I noticed the battery was dead and thought "geez, I wonder if I
could have just left it plugged in for a while?"

I've also bricked it using "apt-get upgrade" Apparently this is not the wise
method for obtaining updates.

One thing you might consider is following the instructions on booting from
an SD card[1], especially if you do your own development or are a power user
that sometimes breaks things. I haven't bricked mine since I've done that
and you can backup the whole OS by simplying backing up the SD Card, so you
could restore without loosing all your settings and data...

[1]http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card

--Paul

On 2/12/07, Richard Pickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I seem to have a knack for killing my n800 without really doing much to
it.

The first time, I charged the thing over night.  When I checked it in the
morning, it was constantly rebooting.

The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it
crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame for).


This last time, I did nothing.  The battery probably drained all the way
over the weekend, and when I plugged it back in, it wouldn't boot again.

Recovering from these kind of errors is easy enough, but I bought the
thing to handle some very specific tasks when I'm on the road for extended
periods (traveling by motorcycle, where space is a premium), and I'm worried
that if it will die at random like this, I could be comepletely stranded,
digitally.

Any thoughts?  Anybody else having problems like this?

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RE: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.

[Dr. Nicholas Shaw]

No.

Nick Shaw
 

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To: ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Cc: 'maemo users'
Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.

Hi,

ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:
> Usually the only applications I have open continually are gpe-todo and
> gpe-contacts.  When on the road, I open e-mail and after a few minutes of
> opening/deleting e-mail - internal error, application is closing (or words
> to that effect).  I'm able to open e-mail again but it just happens again.
> I've come to accept that the e-mail program is very buggy.
> 
> I tried shutting down both gpe programs but the result is the same.  One
> day, I'm sure, a more stable version will come out, either from Nokia or
> someone else. :-)

Do you have (had) Avahi installed?  (see message from Andre Magalhaes)


- Eero

> 
> Nick Shaw
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:00 AM
> To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw
> Cc: Eero Tamminen; maemo users
> Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.
> 
> On 2/9/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I get internal error, application closed with e-mail if it's open for any
>> length of time and I have several e-mails.
> 
> For sure you are not using canola on you n800. Which other apps are
> open/installed?
> 

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[maemo-users] Re: Bricked a third time

[Neil MacLeod]

Richard Pickler wrote:
The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it 
crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame 
for).


Why should you take the blame? This is a consumer oriented device and software 
installation is promoted as a user feature - it should not brick the device, 
period!

What actually happened though - did the device end up in a reboot loop?



This last time, I did nothing.  The battery probably drained all the way 
over the weekend, and when I plugged it back in, it wouldn't boot again.



Wouldn't boot at all or stuck in a reboot loop?


Any thoughts?  Anybody else having problems like this?



You may need to provide more details, but quite a few people are experiencing 
reboot loops for no apparent reason, check 
https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=999 for more details.

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Re: [maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

[Luciano M. Wolf]

Hi Jeff,

I think the best thing to do is to flash again your device. Then
install python2.5-runtime package, that will install all modules
necessary to run python2.5 properly. Just pay attention to include the
correct repositories (repository.maemo.org/extras and
repository.maemo.org).

Regards,
Luciano
-INdT-

On 2/12/07, Jeff G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover.
This was all done from an ssh window to the device.

I wanted to upgrade to python 2.5, and did an apt-get install of
python 2.5, but then, when trying to run a simple app, I got
-
  File "nw.py", line 2, in 
import gtk
ImportError: No module named gtk
-






Unpacking replacement maemo-recorder ...
-

Now, it keeps rebooting about one 30 seconds after the last reboot


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Re: [maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[Jeff G]

I think I somehow trashed my 770.  how do you "easily" recover -like
restore original config?

On 2/12/07, Richard Pickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I seem to have a knack for killing my n800 without really doing much to it.

The first time, I charged the thing over night.  When I checked it in the
morning, it was constantly rebooting.

The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it
crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame for).

This last time, I did nothing.  The battery probably drained all the way
over the weekend, and when I plugged it back in, it wouldn't boot again.

Recovering from these kind of errors is easy enough, but I bought the thing
to handle some very specific tasks when I'm on the road for extended periods
(traveling by motorcycle, where space is a premium), and I'm worried that if
it will die at random like this, I could be comepletely stranded, digitally.

Any thoughts?  Anybody else having problems like this?

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[maemo-users] Re: suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Neil MacLeod]

Ted Zlatanov wrote:

The N800 successor should have a scroll wheel on the side.  It would
make 90% of my daily stylus use (while browsing the web and reading
RSS feeds) unnecessary.  Unlike the D pad, scrolling should be purely
a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
is a very common operation.

Ted

I totally agree that a scroll/jog wheel is essential
for vertical scrolling, which may translate into previous/next page 
functionality depending on the application etc.

Obviously the wheel can be used to select (push in) and even perform horizontal 
scrolling by tilting the wheel, but that depends on how creative Nokia want to 
get on this. Positioning the wheel on the top left or top right shoulders of 
the device would work for me (as I'm right handed) but this would not work at 
all for a left-handed person who has to rotate the screen 180 degrees for 
comfortable use (secondary wheel in the bottom right corner?) I think Nokia 
need to give more consideration to left-handed users - lefties should consider 
class action suits against big corps citing discrimination and access issues! :)

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Re: [maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Frantisek Dufka]

Ted Zlatanov wrote:

scrolling should be purely
a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
is a very common operation.


In that case check http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ScrollInOperaWithThumb

Fixing ~/.opera/input.ini is one of first things I do after installing 
each new firmware. I wonder who actualy wants the 'go to next link' 
feature. With current rich webpages with complex formatting and tons of 
links it does not make much sense to me. Why or when should I care about 
next link on some page?


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[maemo-users] Bricked a third time

[Richard Pickler]

I seem to have a knack for killing my n800 without really doing much to it.

The first time, I charged the thing over night.  When I checked it in the
morning, it was constantly rebooting.

The second time, I was installing some packages I built myself, and it
crashed, which I could not recover from. (this one I'll take the blame for).

This last time, I did nothing.  The battery probably drained all the way
over the weekend, and when I plugged it back in, it wouldn't boot again.

Recovering from these kind of errors is easy enough, but I bought the thing
to handle some very specific tasks when I'm on the road for extended periods
(traveling by motorcycle, where space is a premium), and I'm worried that if
it will die at random like this, I could be comepletely stranded, digitally.

Any thoughts?  Anybody else having problems like this?
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[maemo-users] What Accessories (Was: Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this)

[Neil MacLeod]

Jonathan Greene wrote:

try clicking the Accuweather default bookmark.  There's a very healthy
delay to the point where the N800 asks if you want to abort the
script.

Also - try looking for N800 accessories on the Europe Nokia site...
takes forever!

Both flash related.


Talking of accessories - where is the protective Nokia N800 Case?

This is essential now that the N800 screen is so unprotected, unlike that of 
the 770. I'm worried about taking my N800 outside without some form of 
protection - I like the look of the Nokia N800 Case but it's nowhere to be 
found. Anyone have an ETA?

I'm amazed at Nokia for launching the N800 without the accompanying protective 
case which should be free and included as a standard accessory, I might add.

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[maemo-users] suggestion for next Nokia tablet

[Ted Zlatanov]

The N800 successor should have a scroll wheel on the side.  It would
make 90% of my daily stylus use (while browsing the web and reading
RSS feeds) unnecessary.  Unlike the D pad, scrolling should be purely
a mouse button 4/5 operation, not "move to the next link OR the next
page, UNLESS I hold the button down", which is why I don't use the D
pad for scrolling.  It's just too hard to go to the next page, which
is a very common operation.

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[maemo-users] help - attempted N770 python upgrade -- system keeps rebooting

[Jeff G]

I probably did something really stupid, but don't know how to recover.
This was all done from an ssh window to the device.

I wanted to upgrade to python 2.5, and did an apt-get install of
python 2.5, but then, when trying to run a simple app, I got
-
 File "nw.py", line 2, in 
   import gtk
ImportError: No module named gtk
-

so then I tried to install what I though might be missing...

-
Nokia770-26:/media/mmc1# apt-get install python2.5-runtime
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 python2.5-runtime: Depends: python2.5-hildon (>= 0.8.7-1osso1) but
it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages
Nokia770-26:/media/mmc1# apt-get install python2.5-hildon
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 python2.5-hildon: Depends: hildon-fm1 (>= 0.29-1) but 0.28-2 is to
be installed
   Depends: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.12.22-1) but 0.12.20-1
is to be installed
--


I then tried to install hildon-libs0, being one of the dependencies -
but I used "upgrade", not install

-
Nokia770-26:/media/mmc1# apt-get upgrade hildon-libs0
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following packages will be upgraded:
 certs clinkc0 gcc-3.4-base gst-plugins-farsight lessertunjo0 libcst
 libgalago1 libgcc1 libjinglebase0 libjinglep2p0 libstdc++6 libtelepathy
 maemo-launcher maemo-recorder osso-sounds-ui
15 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2422kB of archives.
After unpacking 1109kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
 libgcc1 gcc-3.4-base libstdc++6 libcst certs clinkc0 libjinglebase0
 libjinglep2p0 gst-plugins-farsight lessertunjo0 libgalago1 libtelepathy
 maemo-launcher maemo-recorder osso-sounds-ui
Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
Get:1 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free libgcc1
1:3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2 [27.0kB]
Get:2 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free gcc-3.4-base
3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2 [106kB]
Get:3 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free libstdc++6
3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2 [244kB]
Get:4 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libcst 1.6.34maemo1 [36.7kB]
Get:5 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free certs 1.5.4maemo1 [62.5kB]
Get:6 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free clinkc0 1.0-27.1 [56.1kB]
Get:7 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libjinglebase0
0.3.0-0osso1.2maemo1 [107kB]
Get:8 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libjinglep2p0
0.3.0-0osso1.2maemo1 [186kB]
Get:9 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free gst-plugins-farsight
0.10.1-0osso2maemo2 [56.5kB]
Get:10 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free lessertunjo0
0.1.2-3maemo1 [13.0kB]
Get:11 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free libgalago1
0.5.0-0osso3maemo1 [100kB]
Get:12 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free libtelepathy
0.0.14-0osso1maemo1 [20.8kB]
Get:13 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free maemo-launcher
0.17-1.1sdk1 [42.9kB]
Get:14 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/free maemo-recorder 0.0.19 [76.4kB]
Get:15 http://repository.maemo.org mistral/non-free osso-sounds-ui
1.2-4sdk1 [1287kB]
Fetched 2422kB in 32s (75.1kB/s)
/bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: not found
(Reading database ... 11882 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace libgcc1 1:3.4.4cs2005q3.2-4 (using
.../libgcc1_1%3a3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2_armel.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libgcc1 ...
Setting up libgcc1 (3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2) ...

(Reading database ... 11882 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace gcc-3.4-base 3.4.4cs2005q3.2-4 (using
.../gcc-3.4-base_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2_armel.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement gcc-3.4-base ...
Preparing to replace libstdc++6 3.4.4cs2005q3.2-4 (using
.../libstdc++6_3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso2_armel.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libstdc+

Re: [maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Jonathan Greene]

On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Jon Smirl wrote:
> On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
>> > sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)
>> >
>> > --jakub
>>
>> I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk
>> and this site is unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the
>> top of each article. When I went to read one article the N800 browser
>> hung while it tried to display the Flash advert, and after 20 minutes
>> it still hadn't finished displaying the advert. A further 5 minutes of
>> "back" button pressing later succeeded in extricating myself from the
>> page and disabling the Flash plug-in entirely. About 30 minutes later
>> the device shut down because the battery was low!!
>
>
> maps.yahoo.com with flash interface doesn't work
> www.zillow.com which uses flash doesn't work
>
> Neither of these display video.
> They seem to hang forever.
>
An update on the problem page I'm accessing on theregsiter.co.uk web site.

It's this page: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/08/rtfm_episode_3

This article has a Flash advert in the right-hand column. However, if you view 
the page on the N800 maemo-launcher consumes 95%+ CPU/20% MEM. The browser 
application is rendered unresponsive but can be killed, which is generally the 
only option. Interestingly if Optimised View is enabled, the Flash advert that 
should appear in the right-hand column floats over the main page in the top 
left corner - CPU is still through the roof however.

It's ironic that the advert in question is by Crucial with the tag line "Is your 
computer running slowly?" - I kid you not... :)


try clicking the Accuweather default bookmark.  There's a very healthy
delay to the point where the N800 asks if you want to abort the
script.

Also - try looking for N800 accessories on the Europe Nokia site...
takes forever!

Both flash related.



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[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Neil MacLeod]

Jon Smirl wrote:

On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
> sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)
>
> --jakub

I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk 
and this site is unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the 
top of each article. When I went to read one article the N800 browser 
hung while it tried to display the Flash advert, and after 20 minutes 
it still hadn't finished displaying the advert. A further 5 minutes of 
"back" button pressing later succeeded in extricating myself from the 
page and disabling the Flash plug-in entirely. About 30 minutes later 
the device shut down because the battery was low!!



maps.yahoo.com with flash interface doesn't work
www.zillow.com which uses flash doesn't work

Neither of these display video.
They seem to hang forever.


An update on the problem page I'm accessing on theregsiter.co.uk web site.

It's this page: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/08/rtfm_episode_3 

This article has a Flash advert in the right-hand column. However, if you view the page on the N800 maemo-launcher consumes 95%+ CPU/20% MEM. The browser application is rendered unresponsive but can be killed, which is generally the only option. Interestingly if Optimised View is enabled, the Flash advert that should appear in the right-hand column floats over the main page in the top left corner - CPU is still through the roof however. 


It's ironic that the advert in question is by Crucial with the tag line "Is your 
computer running slowly?" - I kid you not... :)

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Re: [maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Jon Smirl]

On 2/12/07, Neil MacLeod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
> sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)
>
> --jakub

I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk and this site is 
unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the top of each article. When I went to 
read one article the N800 browser hung while it tried to display the Flash advert, and 
after 20 minutes it still hadn't finished displaying the advert. A further 5 minutes of 
"back" button pressing later succeeded in extricating myself from the page and 
disabling the Flash plug-in entirely. About 30 minutes later the device shut down because 
the battery was low!!



maps.yahoo.com with flash interface doesn't work
www.zillow.com which uses flash doesn't work

Neither of these display video.
They seem to hang forever.


It's not just video where the Flash player is woeful, it's even standard Flash 
adverts. I wish sites would not use them but they do, the only option is to 
leave Flash disabled - it may as well not have been shipped with the N800.

The Flash player provided with OS 2006 is actually better than the Flash player 
provided with OS 2007 as the former will not play certain CPU intensive content 
whereas the latter will play such content and consequently sucks up 100% CPU 
and hangs the device. I know which I prefer!

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[maemo-users] Re: Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Neil MacLeod]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)

--jakub


I hope so. Today I tried to read an article on www.theregister.co.uk and this site is 
unfortunately floating a Flash-based advert over the top of each article. When I went to 
read one article the N800 browser hung while it tried to display the Flash advert, and 
after 20 minutes it still hadn't finished displaying the advert. A further 5 minutes of 
"back" button pressing later succeeded in extricating myself from the page and 
disabling the Flash plug-in entirely. About 30 minutes later the device shut down because 
the battery was low!!

It's not just video where the Flash player is woeful, it's even standard Flash 
adverts. I wish sites would not use them but they do, the only option is to 
leave Flash disabled - it may as well not have been shipped with the N800.

The Flash player provided with OS 2006 is actually better than the Flash player 
provided with OS 2007 as the former will not play certain CPU intensive content 
whereas the latter will play such content and consequently sucks up 100% CPU 
and hangs the device. I know which I prefer!

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Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

[Antonio Orlando]

Oh, it works, thanks! Maybe it was moved, the installation docs on the  
pymaemo site urge this change.


Now I've successfully installed the Python2.5-runtime from the Application  
manager and the 2.5 development packages from terminal, but where's the  
python2.5 binary or symbolic link? Just writing "python2.5" at the command  
prompt does nothing apart from saying:


/bin/sh: python2.5: not found

I can see there are "python-config" and "python2.5-config", they're the  
only files displayed when writing "python" and tapping on the TAB key.
What should I do in order to have the Python 2.5 prompt when calling  
"python2.5" from the command line?
(I'm quite sure I did nothing in order to have it up and running just  
calling "python2.5", when I installed it with the previous firmware; if I  
did something, I can't remember it).




I think that python2.5 is in extras repository:

Web address:  http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
Distribution: scirocco
Components:   free non-free



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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Sergey Udaltsov]

Andrew,


It makes sense from a consumer point of view: if something's
repeatedly dying in user space which is critical to the end-user
experience, reboot.

But if the situation is SO bad - what are the chances that reboot
would help? Not too high, I'm afraid...


Personally, I'd prefer a confirmation first "A critical process
[dsp_dld] has failed. It is recommended you restart your Internet
Tablet.  ", and we've seen from the reboot loops
with broken RSS handling that it needs some sanity to prevent infinite
reboots and returns.

Yes, at least that kind of UI would save a bit of questions here.


It's a known bug:

https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976

Yes, it really looks like it. Thanks a lot for the pointer. I will
definitely vote for this one.

Sergey
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Re: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Damien Challet]

>
> The solution to doing real-time video format conversion probably lies
> in the 3D hardware that doesn't drivers/doc for it yet.

May I remind you that mplayer on the 770 is perfectly able to play flv movies 
from youtube without conversion? It should a minimo also be doable on a 800.
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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Jonathan Greene]

plugged my N800 into my powerbook with USB, got a message one of my
cards could not be read... check.  started messing with some stuff on
the computer and caught a message that a device had not been properly
ejected -- looked over and the N800 was rebooting.


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Re: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Jon Smirl]

On 2/12/07, Jonathan Greene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 2/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222
> >
> >The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able
> >to handle things like YouTube easily.
> >
> >Thanks!
>
> Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
> sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)

to me easily would be a direct play option rather than a conversion
method like vidconvert -- which I love, but takes some planning,
especially these days as quite a few people seem to be hitting it
pretty hard.


The solution to doing real-time video format conversion probably lies
in the 3D hardware that doesn't drivers/doc for it yet.



Glad to hear people are working on it!!


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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Andrew Flegg]

On 2/12/07, Sergey Udaltsov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> > /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 *


[snip]


It loolks like a bit odd solution - reboot the device if one command
restarts too many times. It is linux after all;)


It makes sense from a consumer point of view: if something's
repeatedly dying in user space which is critical to the end-user
experience, reboot.

Personally, I'd prefer a confirmation first "A critical process
[dsp_dld] has failed. It is recommended you restart your Internet
Tablet.  ", and we've seen from the reboot loops
with broken RSS handling that it needs some sanity to prevent infinite
reboots and returns.


Anyway, I am still puzzled - why would idle and charging n800 make
dsp_dld restart many times...


It's a known bug:

   https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=976

Or, rather, a series of bugs - apparently. I suggest you vote on it so
Nokia can get an update out quickly.

Cheers,

Andrew

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Re: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Jonathan Greene]

On 2/12/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222
>
>The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able
>to handle things like YouTube easily.
>
>Thanks!

Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)


to me easily would be a direct play option rather than a conversion
method like vidconvert -- which I love, but takes some planning,
especially these days as quite a few people seem to be hitting it
pretty hard.

Glad to hear people are working on it!!


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RE: [maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Jakub.Pavelek]

>http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222
>
>The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able 
>to handle things like YouTube easily.
>
>Thanks!

Not sure about that "easily" in your post, I bet people are actually
sweating over every fraction of FPS improvement ;)

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RE: [maemo-users] FM Radio -- dependencies?

[Jakub.Pavelek]

>On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 15:05 -0800, ext Rick Prelinger wrote:
>> My fmradio installation fails because of a missing package: 
>libosso-help0(>=2.08).  From what I can tell, I believe I have 
>the proper repositories installed.
>> 
>> Is this an obvious problem?
>> 
>> Many thanks, and all best,
>> 
>> Rick
>
>Are you running the sw image that came with the device or did 
>you upgrade to the latest available? If i'm not mistaken the 
>one coming on the device (certain ones at least) is pretty old.
>--
>Cheers, Igor

Indeed. Someone did the mistake of using Scirocco (Maemo 2.1) when
building the fm-radio application making it impossible to install on the
original IT-2007. Hope next time they use gregale making it even worse.

How many times does this need to happen? (lets get some sanity in Maemo
SDK releases)

Br,

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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Sergey Udaltsov]

Thanks Eero,


> /usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 *



It lists the lifeguarded commands that have terminated/crashed
(since the device was flashed) and therefore caused device reboot.
I think '*' marks that the command had been restarted too many times
in a row by the lifeguard and the device was rebooted to fix that.

It loolks like a bit odd solution - reboot the device if one command
restarts too many times. It is linux after all;)
Anyway, I am still puzzled - why would idle and charging n800 make
dsp_dld restart many times...

Sergey
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Re: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote:

Usually the only applications I have open continually are gpe-todo and
gpe-contacts.  When on the road, I open e-mail and after a few minutes of
opening/deleting e-mail - internal error, application is closing (or words
to that effect).  I'm able to open e-mail again but it just happens again.
I've come to accept that the e-mail program is very buggy.

I tried shutting down both gpe programs but the result is the same.  One
day, I'm sure, a more stable version will come out, either from Nokia or
someone else. :-)


Do you have (had) Avahi installed?  (see message from Andre Magalhaes)


- Eero



Nick Shaw
 
-Original Message-
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To: Dr. Nicholas Shaw
Cc: Eero Tamminen; maemo users
Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Internal Error. Application closed.

On 2/9/07, Dr. Nicholas Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I get internal error, application closed with e-mail if it's open for any
length of time and I have several e-mails.


For sure you are not using canola on you n800. Which other apps are
open/installed?



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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi,

ext Sergey Udaltsov wrote:

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues

Thanks for the link.
The bootreason did not provide much info. Neither does
/var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets:

Nokia-N800-51:/var/lib/dsme/stats# cat lifeguard_resets
/usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop  :  13
/usr/bin/Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr : 1
/usr/bin/bme-dbus-proxy -N : 1
/usr/sbin/icd : 1
/usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 *

Anybody knows how to read it? Looks like some list of command lines.


It lists the lifeguarded commands that have terminated/crashed
(since the device was flashed) and therefore caused device reboot.
I think '*' marks that the command had been restarted too many times
in a row by the lifeguard and the device was rebooted to fix that.


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[maemo-users] Audio Resume

[Jonathan Greene]

One thing I've noticed that's lacking with the N800 audio playback is
the ability to note where you are in an audio track to enable resuming
if you choose to pause / quit and return.  This happens frequently
with longer programming like podcasts or audiobooks and is something
that works based on either or both the filetype and classification on
an iPod.

This does not work in either the Media Player or Canola... not sure if
it's an app or a system thing, but adding this type of functionality
would greatly enhance the consumption of content in my opinion.

Thanks,
JG

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[maemo-users] Note to Nokia Maemo team... we need (ok, would really like) this

[Jonathan Greene]

http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1104222

The N800 is a fantastic N-Series device and we need to be able to
handle things like YouTube easily.

Thanks!



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Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

[Daniel Martín Yerga]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:45:15 +0100
"Antonio Orlando" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I already added the line but the problem was that: no package to install  
> displayed.
> In order to be sure, I've deselected all the repositories in the  
> Application catalogue apart from the compulsory one at tableteer, then  
> I've included the repository.maemo.org alone in order to see what packages  
> where popping out from it, so here they are:
> 
> hello-world-app
> maemo-games-startup
> maemo-games-startup-dev
> python2.4-runtime
> 
> 
> For the sake of completeness, the repository I've added is:
> 
> Web address:  http://repository.maemo.org
> Distribution: scirocco
> Components:   free non-free
> Enabled: (checked)
> 
> 
> In red pill mode there are far more packages but still Python 2.5 is not  
> there.
> What's wrong? Anyone can report the same issue? Has somebody successfully  
> installed Python 2.5 runtime and development packages on a Nokia 770 with  
> ITOS 3.2006.49-2 here?

I think that python2.5 is in extras repository:

Web address:  http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
Distribution: scirocco
Components:   free non-free


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Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

[Antonio Orlando]

I already added the line but the problem was that: no package to install  
displayed.
In order to be sure, I've deselected all the repositories in the  
Application catalogue apart from the compulsory one at tableteer, then  
I've included the repository.maemo.org alone in order to see what packages  
where popping out from it, so here they are:


hello-world-app
maemo-games-startup
maemo-games-startup-dev
python2.4-runtime


For the sake of completeness, the repository I've added is:

Web address:  http://repository.maemo.org
Distribution: scirocco
Components:   free non-free
Enabled: (checked)


In red pill mode there are far more packages but still Python 2.5 is not  
there.
What's wrong? Anyone can report the same issue? Has somebody successfully  
installed Python 2.5 runtime and development packages on a Nokia 770 with  
ITOS 3.2006.49-2 here?


--
Antonio



Python2.5 is available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2. As described on
pymaemo[1] page, you have to check if "repository.maemo.org" is
included in sources list of Application Manager. This latest image
does not include this line. You need to add it and the python2.5
repository as well.

Regards,
Luciano
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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Sergey Udaltsov]

Rainer,


http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues

Thanks for the link.
The bootreason did not provide much info. Neither does
/var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets:

Nokia-N800-51:/var/lib/dsme/stats# cat lifeguard_resets
/usr/bin/maemo_af_desktop  :  13
/usr/bin/Xomap -mouse tslib -nozap -dpi 96 -wr : 1
/usr/bin/bme-dbus-proxy -N : 1
/usr/sbin/icd : 1
/usr/sbin/dsp_dld -p --disable-restart -c /lib/dsp/dsp_dld_avs.conf : 1 *

Anybody knows how to read it? Looks like some list of command lines.

Sergey
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Re: [maemo-users] Bad Freedom Input keyboard or poor kbdd driver on N800?

[Frantisek Dufka]

centipede wrote:


Funny you mention the bluetooth stack. By now I have disemboweled the kbdd
driver, which after all just opens a serial connection to /dev/rfcommN.


Yes, there is no bluetooth magic in kbdd. And rfcomm must be reliable In 
case of problems it should close connection completely, not loose data. 
If this does not happen it is bluetooth protocol or device problem. I 
would blame the keyboard but who knows. Try with same kbdd recompiled on 
linux PC with bluetooth if it works the same.



I've played with the baud-rate - slower or faster - but not really any
other settings. No gain. 


this does nothing by definition, it is only for backward compatibility 
with real serial device



It
may fool the bluetooth stack, as if the keyboard and the driver needs to
negotiate before accepting another keystroke. "Is that an S-up?", "Yes, it
is a T-down", " never mind. T-up you say?".


Nice theory but frcomm does not care at all about nature of the data 
sent (i.e. key up/down) so there is nothing like this on bluetooth stack 
level. Key up/down codes are resolved in kbdd.


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Re: [maemo-users] Bad Freedom Input keyboard or poor kbdd driver on N800?

[centipede]

>> On 10/02/07, centipede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I almost has to punch down the keys
>>> and hold them for a short while. The keys seem to soften up a bit, when
>>> used. But still a lot of keypresses are missed. I've watched the
>>> output of
>>> kbdd in the shell, and it seems like the driver skips more keys the
>>> faster
>>> I type.
>
> Are you sure keypresses are lost or they are simply received too late?
>
> If they are really lost this is probably something on lower bluetooth
> level in n800 or in the keyboard (can you try fresh batteries?). kbdd
> uses serial rfcomm connection which should be reliable like TCP socket
> (i.e do not loose random bytes).
> http://www.palowireless.com/infotooth/tutorial/rfcomm.asp#Reliability
>
> Also make sure you don't have more kbdd executables running or anything
> else that could steal data from same /dev/rfcommX device. I'm not sure
> this can happen but just in case.


They are lost, I'll vouch for that. No simultaneous instances running, but
clever of you to spot that possibility.

Funny you mention the bluetooth stack. By now I have disemboweled the kbdd
driver, which after all just opens a serial connection to /dev/rfcommN.
I've played with the baud-rate - slower or faster - but not really any
other settings. No gain. I've also tried to make a tweaked version that
remembers key-presses. If a key-release arrives without a preceding
key-press, both a press and a release is fired. That didn't help anything.

By now I suspect the rfcomm layer. First I couldn't find the code in
Bluez' WebCVS. Then I learned to look under "dead files" for code older
than 3-4 years (!). Hope it's not a sign...

My current hypothesis is that the lag-situation is part of the problem. It
may fool the bluetooth stack, as if the keyboard and the driver needs to
negotiate before accepting another keystroke. "Is that an S-up?", "Yes, it
is a T-down", " never mind. T-up you say?".
When I start to write, the first 5-10 keys come through rather nicely. But
there is a (subjectively measured, of course) slight tendency towards
loosing keys once one key makes trouble. Like it comes out of balance.

Sorry for my poor laymans description...

Regards,
Rene Jensen

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[maemo-users] Re: Two power management settings

[Neil MacLeod]

Larry Battraw wrote:

 Any battery/cell [1] can be overcharged, particularly Lithiums as
they cannot tolerate overcharge without potentially dire consequences.


I thought Lithium cells came with protection circuits to prevent over charging?

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Re: [maemo-users] Bad Freedom Input keyboard or poor kbdd driver on N800?

[Frantisek Dufka]

On 10/02/07, centipede <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I almost has to punch down the keys
and hold them for a short while. The keys seem to soften up a bit, when
used. But still a lot of keypresses are missed. I've watched the 
output of
kbdd in the shell, and it seems like the driver skips more keys the 
faster

I type.


Are you sure keypresses are lost or they are simply received too late?

If they are really lost this is probably something on lower bluetooth 
level in n800 or in the keyboard (can you try fresh batteries?). kbdd 
uses serial rfcomm connection which should be reliable like TCP socket 
(i.e do not loose random bytes).

http://www.palowireless.com/infotooth/tutorial/rfcomm.asp#Reliability

Also make sure you don't have more kbdd executables running or anything 
else that could steal data from same /dev/rfcommX device. I'm not sure 
this can happen but just in case.


Gavin O' Gorman wrote:

There is some lag, akin to a ssh session over a modem
perhaps and on the rare occasion the keys do repeat.


Noticed this occasionally too. That's why I tried to renice kbdd in 
btkbd script. key repeat is caused by key release keycode received too 
late so the automatic autorepeat imlemented in kernel input subsystem 
kicks in. Not sure if it is related to busy CPU or lag in bluetooth 
transmission. Could be also fixed by increasing timeout for autorepeat 
but this can be uncomfortable when you do need the autorepeat 
(scrolling, deleting). With ipaq bluetooth keyboard and N770 it works 
mostly ok. Will test on N800 when I finally get it (hopefully end of 
this or next week).


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Re: [maemo-users] Python2.5 not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 ?

[Luciano M. Wolf]

Hi Antonio,

Python2.5 is available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2. As described on
pymaemo[1] page, you have to check if "repository.maemo.org" is
included in sources list of Application Manager. This latest image
does not include this line. You need to add it and the python2.5
repository as well.

Regards,
Luciano
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[1]
http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/


On 2/10/07, Antonio Orlando <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi, some time ago I successfully installed and used Python 2.5 runtime and
dev packages on my Nokia 770, following the instructions on the Python for
Maemo page on garage. Now I've updated the firmware with ITOS 3.2006.49-2,
but trying to follow the same instructions I cannot find the packages,
neither with Application manager or with apt-get install from terminal.

Does it mean Python 2.5 is not available for ITOS 3.2006.49-2 on Nokia 770?
Will it be available in (how much?) time or I should revert to Python 2.4
(which seems available among the proposed packages in the Application
manager)?

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Re: [maemo-users] Problems with maemo and apt-get

[Steve Kreyer]

Hi Andreas,
sorry I have overseen your answer, but that was the problem, yes.
Imho that should be pointet out in the INSTALL.txt...

Thank you and have a nice day,
Steve

Andreas Oberritter wrote:
> Steve Kreyer schrieb:
>   
>> Err http://repository.maemo.org bora/free Packages
>>   Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org'
>> 
> [...]
>   
>>  [sbox-aristoteles: ~] > cat /etc/nsswitch.conf | grep -v '#'
>> 
>
> You're looking at /scratchbox/users/*/targets/*/etc/nsswitch.conf here.
> The file that matters is /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf.
>
> Regards,
> Andreas
>
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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Rainer Dorsch]

Am Montag, 12. Februar 2007 10:06 schrieb Michele:
> Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:
> > Sergey,
> >
> > on the N770
> >
> > cat /proc/bootreason
> >
> > was useful.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rainer
>
> Thx, nice, same on N800
>
> BTW, is there anywhere a list of the reason in a human-readable way?
> Mine rebooted 10 minutes ago 'wd32 to', just to know what it means :)
>
> And I totally agree about the fact that  a linux machine mustn't reboot
> spontaneously, or at limits the watchdog should be configurable
> 1 - normal user - reboot
> 2 - power user - just emit an advice about what has gone wrong
>

In the developer mode, the N770 does not reboot, I think it is the same for 
the N800.

Thanks,
Rainer


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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Rainer Dorsch]

Sergey,

I am not an expert in this area, but 

http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ReportingRebootIssues

might help.

Thanks,
Rainer

Am Montag, 12. Februar 2007 09:20 schrieb Sergey Udaltsov:
> Rainer
>
> Thanks for the info, I see in that file:
>
> $ cat /proc/bootreason
> sw_rst
>
> It does not tell much, does it?;)
>
> Sergey
>
> > on the N770
> >
> > cat /proc/bootreason
> >
> > was useful.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rainer
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Re: [maemo-users] FM Radio -- dependencies?

[Igor Stoppa]

On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 15:05 -0800, ext Rick Prelinger wrote:
> My fmradio installation fails because of a missing package: 
> libosso-help0(>=2.08).  From what I can tell, I believe I have the proper 
> repositories installed.
> 
> Is this an obvious problem?
> 
> Many thanks, and all best,
> 
> Rick

Are you running the sw image that came with the device or did you
upgrade to the latest available? If i'm not mistaken the one coming on
the device (certain ones at least) is pretty old.
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Re: [maemo-users] N800 doesn't charge that well

[Igor Stoppa]

On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 09:21 -0500, ext Larry Battraw wrote:
> On 2/9/07, Kahlil Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a N770 and an N800, I have had issues where I leave the N800
> > charging with the N770 cable and it doesnt charge at all. It doesnt
> > loose power but it doesnt increase it either.
> >
> > When I plug it in, I am able to see the charging icon but when I
> > unplug it, I see that the bars are still on the same position.
> >
> > Anyone has been in this situation?
Rebooting might help finding out if it's just a presentation issue 
(n800 battery icon tries to be smarter than the 770 one but it might
be more error prone, or it could be just a different behaviour in the
visualisation of the actual charge stored).

>   I haven't personally seen it-- I use both chargers interchangeably,
> but I've heard of one person that couldn't use the 770 charger with
> their n800 at all.  To the best of my knowledge the chargers are
> identical 
Afaik, yes, they are the same model.

> so I'm not sure why this should be the case unless there was
> something wrong with the charger.  If you plug in your n800 to the
> n800 charger does it proceed to charge normally if you switch chargers
> after seeing this behavior?


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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Michele]

Rainer Dorsch ha scritto:

Sergey,

on the N770

cat /proc/bootreason 


was useful.

Thanks,
Rainer
  

Thx, nice, same on N800

BTW, is there anywhere a list of the reason in a human-readable way? 
Mine rebooted 10 minutes ago 'wd32 to', just to know what it means :)


And I totally agree about the fact that  a linux machine mustn't reboot 
spontaneously, or at limits the watchdog should be configurable

1 - normal user - reboot
2 - power user - just emit an advice about what has gone wrong

Rgds,

Michele

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Re: [maemo-users] Random reboots

[Sergey Udaltsov]

Rainer

Thanks for the info, I see in that file:

$ cat /proc/bootreason
sw_rst

It does not tell much, does it?;)

Sergey


on the N770

cat /proc/bootreason

was useful.

Thanks,
Rainer

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