Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
"ext Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It took me an entire weekend to gett back up to speed. So, in > response, this new update is definitely _not_ cool. :( >From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
> Anyone care to host a survey of all applications that we load and how > much time it takes to reflash/customize/restore? (Not to mention re-test > the restore!) The issue isn't how long it takes, is that many times you don't know which bits you have tweeked and which bits you have left alone. I too am in the "outrage @ nokia" camp for this. I already feel "dated" thanks to the iPod-Classic, and this sort of nonsense in terms of keeping my N800 uptodate is really not on in this day and age. EVEN having to use Windows erks me; why can't it bloody update itself over the air?!!? Is it not an internet tablet? Why does Nokia have to make me install .NET to get this patch installed? Time to rethink this chaps -- Alan Williamson "a wiki -and- a blog" @ http://www.Blog-City.com/ b: http://alan.blog-city.com/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: 4.2007.38-2 available
> I think I have you beat. I just reflashed with the (now) previous > firmware because updating a lib in red-pill mode bricked my N800: > > http://sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2007/09/17/Sunburned_parched_and_otherwis/tim_samoff__weblog > > It took me an entire weekend to gett back up to speed. So, in > response, this new update is definitely _not_ cool. :( I couldn't see you mention the names of the libs that you upgraded to cause your problem anywhere on your blog. Did I miss them, or could you tell us so that others can avoid the problem (or even fix the problem)? Thanks, Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
"ext Gary Baribault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK then, can I beat up on them? Sure, keep it coming! :-) It is good to see what people care about, and a good rant is always appreciated. It really does help keep my priorities sane, at least. > I agree, this is a lousy way of doing the updates, I cannot suggest > this device to anyone if every time there is an update, all > applications have to be re-installed!! Why can't the update take a > proper#full backup to a flash card, dump a list of applications, and > after the flash, re-install the latest updated applications? Nothing is impossible, and we actually have enough bright people here to have all the right ideas, but somehow it always takes lng to actually turn them into "code in your hands". The "backing up and restoring the list of applications" feature was committed to the Application Manager trunk in February 2007 (with lots of bug fixes in the following months, of course). Why are you still complaining about not having it? :-) Because it is only coming out officially about now with Chinook. That's not right, if you ask me. We are slowly warming up to the idea of public beta releases with the browser and sip things and we should be doing this for the whole OS. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
> As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S > why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have > to reconfigure it at each flash!! And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not > bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's already making my life much > better, but please re-arange your priorities to give us this feature > before others. And perhaps this is exactly all they will be able to give you. If you perform an upgrade in place, it presumes that the upgraded files will occupy the same or less space than those already there. If you have almost filled up your internal flash with user-installed apps, then there will need to be some way of deciding what you should delete/not install to get the upgrade to work. We should add to this the fact that (certainly in the old days) jffs2 required some reboots and free space to get it to reclaim the space used by deleted files. This will become an issue if you want to do an upgrade in place and have very little free space. Simon ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
"ext Michael Wiktowy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This conversation has been had many times in the past and Nokia has > resisted it since it complicates updates in a huge way. It is a fact > that it is more difficult to do this on a resource constrained system > like the Internet Tablets than on a regular desktop. The difficulties are not with the resources on the device, but more in actually producing packages that are updateable without bricking the device. Even that is not very difficult, it just hasn't been tried in any serious way for a long time, which means that millions of small surprising details will likely pop up. Or maybe not. We needed to start doing it and to start learning the lessons. It's happening, maybe not as publically as one might wish, but it's happening. > However, I think people's perceptions that Nokia not offering this > functionality in the first place is an outrage against Nature are > born from their mistaken belief that the Internet Tablets are just a > small desktop machine and have the same constraints and should > behave the same way. They are under the hood. That's the point. They are not geared towards the same tasks and will behave differently on the surface, but below the surface, they are (could be) your regular GNU/Linux distribution without much problems. We need to strip down Gnome and the browser, etc, but not really the base OS. Without knowing the details, I would say for example that there is no point to remove Perl. Perl is part of a Unixy system now, and removing it means breaking backwards compatibility. Likewise we can easily afford Debian style package management. The one serious constraint we might run into is that there is not enough storage space to carry out an update of the whole OS. But even that should not be that serious happen since even on the tablets, the OS itself is almost always small compared to the available storage (100 to 150 MiB compared to a couple of GiBs). > Reality is that they are much closer to the resource constrains of a > cell phone [...] I don't know enough about cell phones, but I would expect cell phones to vary in their resources constraints enough to make this comparison useless. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Simon, Sorry. The lib(s) are unknown. I updated three of them at one time and don't know which (or all) caused the problem. I will get you (and my blog) the names later today... Yes, it was a terrible oversight. Peace, Tim -- Weblog ~ http://tim.samoff.com Baby Blog ~ http://kc.samoff.com Photography ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/timsamoff Film ~ http://www.youtube.com/timsamoff Music ~ http://www.adkoc.com On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:34:02 +0100 Simon Pickering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think I have you beat. I just reflashed with the (now) previous >> firmware because updating a lib in red-pill mode bricked my N800: >> >> http://sense-datum.org/tim/archive/2007/09/17/Sunburned_parched_and_otherwis/tim_samoff__weblog >> >> It took me an entire weekend to gett back up to speed. So, in >> response, this new update is definitely _not_ cool. :( > >I couldn't see you mention the names of the libs that you upgraded to >cause your problem anywhere on your blog. Did I miss them, or could >you tell us so that others can avoid the problem (or even fix the >problem)? > >Thanks, > > >Simon > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Thanks for the reply, I saw yesterday on another blog that the problem might be one of cutture .. Nokia people used to working on phones and not on a Linux OSS project. It's replies like this that show that Nokia cares! Gary Baribault Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG Key: 0x4346F013 GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013 Marius Vollmer wrote: > "ext Gary Baribault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> OK then, can I beat up on them? > > Sure, keep it coming! :-) It is good to see what people care about, > and a good rant is always appreciated. It really does help keep my > priorities sane, at least. > >> I agree, this is a lousy way of doing the updates, I cannot suggest >> this device to anyone if every time there is an update, all >> applications have to be re-installed!! Why can't the update take a >> proper#full backup to a flash card, dump a list of applications, and >> after the flash, re-install the latest updated applications? > > Nothing is impossible, and we actually have enough bright people here > to have all the right ideas, but somehow it always takes lng to > actually turn them into "code in your hands". > > The "backing up and restoring the list of applications" feature was > committed to the Application Manager trunk in February 2007 (with lots > of bug fixes in the following months, of course). > > Why are you still complaining about not having it? :-) Because it is > only coming out officially about now with Chinook. > > That's not right, if you ask me. We are slowly warming up to the idea > of public beta releases with the browser and sip things and we should > be doing this for the whole OS. > > ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
reinstall applications
On 2 October 2007, Gary Baribault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK then, can I beat up on them? I agree, this is a lousy way of doing > the updates, I cannot suggest this device to anyone if every time there > is an update, all applications have to be re-installed!! Why can't the > update take a proper#full backup to a flash card, dump a list of > applications, and after the flash, re-install the latest updated > applications? I'm not sure how many of you know this trick given it is a debian system you can save /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' to a MMC card, do the upgrade and then only install manually xterm or a ssh server. Once logged back in as root you restore the sources.list, then do a 'apt-get update' to load back the repositories, then do 'dpkg --set-selections < file' to restore your application list and in the end 'apt-get upgrade' to install them. -- Regards, Emil -- Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
ext Levi Bard wrote: >> From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of >> 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. > > Is there a straightforward way to do this from a FIASCO image? Linux flasher at least has "--unpack" and "--kernel" options, so yes. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Hi, ext Simon Pickering wrote: >> As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S >> why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have >> to reconfigure it at each flash!! And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not >> bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's already making my life much >> better, but please re-arange your priorities to give us this feature >> before others. > > And perhaps this is exactly all they will be able to give you. If you > perform an upgrade in place, it presumes that the upgraded files will > occupy the same or less space than those already there. If you have > almost filled up your internal flash with user-installed apps, then > there will need to be some way of deciding what you should delete/not > install to get the upgrade to work. > > We should add to this the fact that (certainly in the old days) jffs2 > required some reboots and free space to get it to reclaim the space > used by deleted files. This will become an issue if you want to do an > upgrade in place and have very little free space. Some misc notes of upgrades. I'm pretty sure that the dist-upgrade is going to require tens of MBs of free space to do e.g. because some of the packages are pretty large (check for example the Browser packages in garage). Although the update would be automatic, doing all the package upgrades (downloading & saving the packages, then upgrading them etc) will be taking a lot of time. Marius, are we talking about hours here? (During which the device may not run out of free space or battery or you might need to reflash anyway.) Because Chinook release is ABI incompatible[1], the upgrade will break many of the Bora 3rd party packages, so you need anyway to install Chinook versions of them. Therefore dist-upgrade is less useful from Bora to Chinook than people might think. Note also that the package alternative to reflashing might not give you everything due to same reason why Debian apt-get dist-upgrade might not be same as re-install[2]. - Eero [1] http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1184675758.html [2] Things like default file system changing from ext-2 to ext-3. :-) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Hi, On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 16:33 +0300, ext Eero Tamminen wrote: > Some misc notes of upgrades. > > > I'm pretty sure that the dist-upgrade is going to require tens > of MBs of free space to do e.g. because some of the packages are > pretty large (check for example the Browser packages in garage). > > Although the update would be automatic, doing all the package upgrades > (downloading & saving the packages, then upgrading them etc) will be > taking a lot of time. Marius, are we talking about hours here? > > (During which the device may not run out of free space or battery > or you might need to reflash anyway.) > > > Because Chinook release is ABI incompatible[1], the upgrade will > break many of the Bora 3rd party packages, so you need anyway > to install Chinook versions of them. Therefore dist-upgrade > is less useful from Bora to Chinook than people might think. I'd be happy if it could happen in 2 steps: -download to local filesystem (MMC) the critical packages -install from it only if there is enough energy available (full battery or AC power) This still leaves open the path of user removing either the card or the battery but in that case the (potential) bricking is well deserved. > Note also that the package alternative to reflashing might not give you > everything due to same reason why Debian apt-get dist-upgrade might not > be same as re-install[2]. Bootloader, Kernel and initfs should be packaged, but technically nothing is preventing from reflashing them. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
> From what I understand, it is enough to flash the kernel and initfs of > 4.2007.38-2, no need to kill your rootfs. Is there a straightforward way to do this from a FIASCO image? -- "Tak does not require that we think of Him, only that we think." --Grag Bashfullsson http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: Updating software issues (was RE: 4.2007.38-2 available)
Gil, Thank you for that update, it cleared up a lot! Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quim Gil Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:51 AM To: ext Dr. Nicholas Shaw Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Updating software issues (was RE: 4.2007.38-2 available) Hi there, for those of you concerned about this bugfix release and our plans to improve the process of updating software in the tablets: http://flors.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/sdhc-bugfix-release-updating-software- in-the-nokia-tablets/ -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: reinstall applications
I certainly didn't know that - thanks! Nick. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emil Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:06 AM To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: reinstall applications On 2 October 2007, Gary Baribault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK then, can I beat up on them? I agree, this is a lousy way of doing > the updates, I cannot suggest this device to anyone if every time there > is an update, all applications have to be re-installed!! Why can't the > update take a proper#full backup to a flash card, dump a list of > applications, and after the flash, re-install the latest updated > applications? I'm not sure how many of you know this trick given it is a debian system you can save /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' to a MMC card, do the upgrade and then only install manually xterm or a ssh server. Once logged back in as root you restore the sources.list, then do a 'apt-get update' to load back the repositories, then do 'dpkg --set-selections < file' to restore your application list and in the end 'apt-get upgrade' to install them. -- Regards, Emil -- Old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, "You're next." They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Hi, ext Josh Smith wrote: > There is a thread (or two) about this on ITT. > > http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10014&page=7 AFAIK only kernel changed. And it only fixed the MMC issue and should now detect some cards better. Basically if you were using the separate non-Nokia SDHC kernel earlier, you should be better off with the new one. I would be interested about any news on the contrary. (If there are such, please, a new bug instead of 1024, that's dealt with.) - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is anyone actually trying to use Bluetooth keyboards?
On 9/26/07, Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does everyone just not use BT keyboards and wire in through USB or SSH > into it remotely?? > Googling, You can find people who have used USB keyboards with a home built power supply using a battery. The Nokia 770 can't supply power to the USB keyboard. Also, It is necessary to flash the OS so that it is in USB host mode. A friend of mine has successfully built the power supply and has a USB keyboard working. However, he complains that he is getting a lot of duplicate key strokes. He has tried other USB keyboards and continues to have this problem with them as well. He knows the keyboards are OK. He has modified the capacitors on the power supply he built, but is still having the problem. I attempted to put together the power supply with a 9v battery, but probably due to my poor soldering techniques, I was not successful and finally gave up and bought a Nokia su-8w Bluetooth keyboard. It works OK, but I am not crazy about the keyboard layout and I am still slow typing on it. If I remember correctly, you have to use the "Fn" key to type numbers and the "Fn" and "Shift" keys to type symbols. Not very good for command line input. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
On Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:36:10 -0700 Thomas Leavitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I'm not understanding here is that the tablet is a debian Linux > system, in it's essence... what's the issue with just making the > updated packages available, for the power users and tweakers willing > to go through the work of a manual update? What I'm not understanding is the big rush to update for a few minor fixes, especially if there's the known potential of extra user overhead getting the update and apps all sorted out. If it aint broke, ... Or put another way, my Clinc's software runs over 1000 per year for updates and support. A couple month's ago the released a major update/upgrade which I've still not installed. It takes months to sort out the bugs in this sort of stuff, plus the staff has to be brought up to speed overnight. So I'm sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle so when I do the install (10 stations), it's rock solid so I don't have to hassle of training the staff how do deal with a lot of kludge workarounds to get work done, or (worse case) data crash which would caase everything to come to a halt. I'm paying decent bucks (along with 3 other clinics) for this update 'service', which I'm choosing to go slow on. Ditto for the megabuck software running my dental cad/cam system. It's laughable that a bunch of whiner techno geeks fully expect their newly released, reasonably functional, internet tablet to be provided with instant FREE updates tto match their every whim. As far as I can tell (by clinical software standards), the OS that most of us are currently using is really a modestly stable early beta version of the final stable OS. We're the guinea pigs of this project/product, complete with a significant segment of this user population who insist on running on their damn noisey treadmill all night, who then spend their days complaining about all the work they 'have' to do at night. It's seriously funny stuff guys... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Igor Stoppa wrote: > Bootloader, Kernel and initfs should be packaged, but technically > nothing is preventing from reflashing them. > Except that at least current version of OS keeps initfs mounted and runs relatively critical stuff from it. In theory everything should be already cached in RAM but still flashing mtd device while jffs2 uses it may lead to surprises. Could be solved by copying critical binaries to tmpfs early on boot before executing them. BTW documentation for next version talks about cramfs used for initfs http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html#Flash Is this documentation bug or new feature? Perhaps we can fit more stuff to cramfs and don't need write access so this is not bad choice (provided it can live in NAND and handle bad blocks). But still cramfs won't solve issue with flashing live system. Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 17:23 +0200, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: > Igor Stoppa wrote: > > > Bootloader, Kernel and initfs should be packaged, but technically > > nothing is preventing from reflashing them. > > > > Except that at least current version of OS keeps initfs mounted and runs > relatively critical stuff from it. In theory everything should be > already cached in RAM but still flashing mtd device while jffs2 uses it > may lead to surprises. Could be solved by copying critical binaries to > tmpfs early on boot before executing them. > > BTW documentation for next version talks about cramfs used for initfs > http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html#Flash > Is this documentation bug or new feature? I don't know about that. Initfs should become read-only (and by any practical mean it already was: there isn't space even for deleting files!) > Perhaps we can fit more stuff > to cramfs and don't need write access so this is not bad choice > (provided it can live in NAND and handle bad blocks). But still cramfs > won't solve issue with flashing live system. Ideally we would use some "merge" fs, and for that there are several possible solutions, but I'm not woking on it, so i won't comment further to avoid mistakes. In general initfs sucks and has been used for speedups in factory. However using a file based approach could apply to initfs too (or its replacement), leaving only the kernel and bootloader to be really "flashed" without passing through the filesystem. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Nokia Multimedia - CP - OSSO / Helsinki, Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Eero Tamminen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm pretty sure that the dist-upgrade is going to require tens of > MBs of free space to do e.g. because some of the packages are pretty > large (check for example the Browser packages in garage). Yep, but that doesn't sound unreasonable to me at all. > Although the update would be automatic, doing all the package upgrades > (downloading & saving the packages, then upgrading them etc) will be > taking a lot of time. Marius, are we talking about hours here? No, I expect something more like minutes to tens of minutes. (But I am a convicted optimist when it comes to things like this.) The one data point I don't really have is installing a 40 MiB update, which happened in a couple of minutes. (I regularily update my device to follow Sardine, but those are really small updates, in the order of one or two megabytes, and they usually happen in less than a minute.) > (During which the device may not run out of free space or battery > or you might need to reflash anyway.) It might be possible to automatically rescue a device after a interrupted update: we still have the needed packages in the apt archive cache and can retry the update very early on the next boot. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Fred > What I'm not understanding is the big rush to update for a few minor > fixes, especially if there's the known potential of extra user overhead > getting the update and apps all sorted out. If it aint broke, ... but 4.2007.38 does fix a situation that can brick an sdhc card. Brad ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Is anyone actually trying to use Bluetooth keyboards?
On Wed, Oct 03, 2007 at 10:47:02AM -0400, dasDasein wrote: > On 9/26/07, Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A friend of mine has successfully built the power supply and has a USB > keyboard working. However, he complains that he is getting a lot of > duplicate key strokes. He has tried other USB keyboards FWIW, I sometimes get duplicate keystrokes on my Nokia BT keyboard. It seems to either occur or not, and I hafve not tracked down the root cause yet. However, I suspect it is related to high CPU usage, so your friend might want to check out whether the USB host mode is causing the tablet to work extra hard. > up and bought a Nokia su-8w Bluetooth keyboard. It works OK, but I am not > crazy about the keyboard layout and I am still slow typing on it. If I This is what I use, and I spend the bulk of my time ssh'd into my server from my tablet.My speed has definitely improved, and I find my typ[ing habit changing somewhat, for example, I'll type out numbers instead of using the number keys. And my left pinky has become pretty adept at hitting the Fn key for switching between screens. good luck, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Nokia keyboard tablet?
Ditto about the keyboard. I had a pair of Makos (yr 2000 Symbian black and white PDA) which was the same size as the N800, only it folded open to have a decent keyboard along with the screen. It also had a WP and spreadsheet that integrated files with Word and Excel via USB. The keyboard was great. I could go to a seminar with it in my pocket and take notes on it and then port the notes over to my network. My daughter used her's to write notes and work on a fiction book she was writing. No wifi, no color, no browser. But very useful and good user support network, until it's rechargable battery got tired, and/or the strap connecting the keyboard to screen came loose. The key to it's utility was the built-in keyboard AND included compatible word processor/spreadsheet, neither of which are available for the current N800 format. In the linux world, it seems the foundation for a decent WP/Spreadsheet program could be found somewhere between StarOffice 5.0 and OpenOffice 2.0 that would have compatibility with Word and Excel. Or perhaps some webware will evolve to let one edit online thru the browser. However, either way, this would be almost useless with the screen keyboard. However, it seems action on this front may be around the corner if one is to believe a recent Nokia announcement that appeared with a Mako google search on Geek.com. Brian Litzinger wrote: On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 12:24:48PM -0700, Mike Klein wrote: This is how I read the announcement...fixes for just 2 bugs. However it Btw (not to compare rotten apples to florida oranges) but WM phones/devices and many others work the same way...reflash and reinstall. I own an N800 and a Sprint Mogul (HTC 6800). I sure wish the n800 had a little keyboard. ActiveSync solves most of the reflash problem on the WM devices. At least for apps that use it. -- Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
problem after re-flash
I re-flashed my N800 last night, because it wouldn't boot (not sure how/why that happened, it just did). Today I was trying to install various packages, including openssh. But, when I try to install openssh, it gets down to the last step and then says it can't find the file. I looked in application manager's logs, and it says it's getting GPG errors (typing, and not pasting, so please excuse errors here): W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG [some key stuff] Nokia Internet Tablet Atomatic Signing Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following signatures were couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY [some key stuff] Anyone have thoughts/ideas/information about what's going on and how to fix it? (on the ssh front, I was able to install dropbear, but I'd prefer to use openssh, so I see dropbear as a temporary solution, not a permanent one) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 4.2007.38-2 available
Brad Midgley wrote: > Fred > > >> What I'm not understanding is the big rush to update for a few minor >> fixes, especially if there's the known potential of extra user overhead >> getting the update and apps all sorted out. If it aint broke, ... >> > but 4.2007.38 does fix a situation that can brick an sdhc card. > > Brad > Fine, if you've got a SDHC card that bricks your unit, there's a couple fixes to consider. If you don't want to spend the time messing with your OS, or are looking to buy a SDHC card and don't want to have to worry about OS /card compatibility issues, buy a Sandisk 4G SDHC card, transfer your stuff to it and get back to doing something productive. If time=money to you, that may be the way to go (sale price around the US is around $50). The Sandisk 4G SDHC card works fine in my N800. Fine print, I'm not sure what n800 OS I've currently got -- it came out in early August. Also, if you're thinking of moving an bricking SDHC card into your camera and getting one that works for your n800, SDHC cards don't work in many digital cameras older than this current year,... -- Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: reinstall applications
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:40:32 -0600 "Dr. Nicholas Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I certainly didn't know that - thanks! > I'm not sure how many of you know this trick given it is a debian > system you can save /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of 'dpkg > --get-selections' to a MMC card, do the upgrade and then only install > manually xterm or a ssh server. > > Once logged back in as root you restore the sources.list, then do > a 'apt-get update' to load back the repositories, then do > 'dpkg --set-selections < file' to restore your application list and > in the end 'apt-get upgrade' to install them. > I've seen other methods, but none quite so simple and elegant! Thank you! -- Peter The Plumber sm on the Road ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: problem after re-flash
El Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:00:31 -0700 John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > I re-flashed my N800 last night, because it wouldn't boot (not sure > how/why that happened, it just did). Today I was trying to install > various packages, including openssh. But, when I try to install > openssh, it gets down to the last step and then says it can't find > the file. > > I looked in application manager's logs, and it says it's getting GPG > errors (typing, and not pasting, so please excuse errors here): > > > W: GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com bora Release: The > following signatures were invalid: BADSIG [some key stuff] Nokia > Internet Tablet Atomatic Signing Key <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org bora Release: The following > signatures were couldn't be verified because the public key is not > available: NO_PUBKEY [some key stuff] > > > > Anyone have thoughts/ideas/information about what's going on and how > to fix it? I could install ssh, but that is the last package I could install. I cannot install python (missing libfii4) or the microb engine. Since I'm not the only one, while others had no problems installing those packages, I suspect a problem with the repositories, and I hope it gets fixed soon. -- Luca ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
OpenSSH
Hi all, I am trying to install OpenSSH after re-flashing the latest version of our OS. maemo.org has links to once click installs that no longer work .. Anyone have a recent link that works? I've done the google thing with no success.. Thanks Gary Baribault ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenSSH
I just used apt-get in xterm: become root in xterm apt-get install ssh say yes to any questions that you are asked. good luck On 10/3/07, Gary Baribault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am trying to install OpenSSH after re-flashing the latest version of > our OS. maemo.org has links to once click installs that no longer work > .. Anyone have a recent link that works? I've done the google thing with > no success.. > > Thanks > > Gary Baribault > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > -- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Paging Dr. Moebius
Josh Smith wrote: > I just used apt-get in xterm: > > become root in xterm > apt-get install ssh > > say yes to any questions that you are asked I got a chuckle out of this, because the only way I've become root is to ssh to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) Yeah, I know there's a package. Somewhere. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Aisleriot broken
I'd put this into Bugzilla if I could figure out a category, or contact the maintainer if I could find an email address. Aisleriot won't install. The main .deb file is in the collection, but the helpfile and card themes are missing. Here is the output of apt-get install aisleriot: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: aisleriot: Depends: aisleriot-card-theme-paris but it is not installable or aisleriot-card-theme-bellot but it is not installable or aisleriot-card-theme-ornamental but it is not installable or aisleriot-card-theme-dondorf but it is not installable or aisleriot-card-theme-anglo but it is not installable Depends: aisleriot-help-en (= 1:2.20.0bis-1) but it is not installable or aisleriot-help-es (= 1:2.20.0bis-1) but it is not installable or aisleriot-help-fr (= 1:2.20.0bis-1) but it is not installable E: Broken packages ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Aisleriot broken
This is a third party application i.e. don't look for maintainers in bugzilla. Are you clicking the install file available at https://maemo.org/downloads/product/gnome_games_aisleriot ? You have contact points in this product page. On Thu, 2007-10-04 at 00:45 -0400, ext Steve Yelvington wrote: > I'd put this into Bugzilla if I could figure out a category, or contact > the maintainer if I could find an email address. > > Aisleriot won't install. The main .deb file is in the collection, but > the helpfile and card themes are missing. Here is the output of apt-get > install aisleriot: > > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > aisleriot: Depends: aisleriot-card-theme-paris but it is not > installable or > aisleriot-card-theme-bellot but it is not > installable or > aisleriot-card-theme-ornamental but it is not > installable or > aisleriot-card-theme-dondorf but it is not > installable or > aisleriot-card-theme-anglo but it is not installable > Depends: aisleriot-help-en (= 1:2.20.0bis-1) but it is not > installable or > aisleriot-help-es (= 1:2.20.0bis-1) but it is not > installable or > aisleriot-help-fr (= 1:2.20.0bis-1) but it is not > installable > E: Broken packages > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Source codes of simple mameo applcations
Hi, I'm new to the maemo worldand I have set up the scratch box and maemo environment in my PC.Can somebody please tell me where I can get source codes of some simple maemo applications so that I can build and run them in my PC? I'm using Fedora Core 5... Thanx in advance - Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here.___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Paging Dr. Moebius
On 10/4/07, Steve Yelvington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Josh Smith wrote: > > I just used apt-get in xterm: > > > > become root in xterm > > apt-get install ssh > > > > say yes to any questions that you are asked > I got a chuckle out of this, because the only way I've become root is to > ssh to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :-) > > Yeah, I know there's a package. Somewhere. > > > > ___ > maemo-users mailing list > maemo-users@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users > This is one of those frustrating packages on maemo downloads, that does not show up when you search for it. Here is the link: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb There is a repository you can add if you would rather. Good luck! btw - nice use of the word mobius... ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
