Re: Nokia device usage
On Mar 6, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Mark wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 11:48:26AM -0700, Mark wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Mark wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: Overall, the current generations of NITs are far from perfect, but they are the best hacker's devices of their size I've ever seen. And *that* is the summary of the state of the tablets: they're *great* for hackers, but as consumer end-user devices, not so much. And? This is exactly how Nokia's positioned them, so it sounds like the plan is working really well. That is as Benjamin Disraeli would say it, a damned lie. Your unrealistic protests notwithstanding, these things have been and still are being sold as consumer devices, and nowhere are they referred to as being aimed at hackers. On several occasions people from Nokia with official-sounding titles (such as Vice President) explicitly say that they expect it will take around five generations for the Internet Tablets to be consumer- ready. The N810 is 3rd generation. I'd provide references if I weren't a lazy bum. Sure, they say it, after you've already bought the thing and are on a mailing list and a discussion such as this comes up, but NOWHERE in the sales literature or at any sales point that I've seen does it say that. That little morsel is *not* freely disseminated. Yeah, and it also works exactly as advertised in the sales literature. You're grasping for a point, but not making much progress. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: I'm not crazy about out of the box experience and it annoys me to see on N8x0 the same counter productive underhanded tactics used my MS - the teaser apps you have to pay for later. Do you mind me asking which teaser apps? There's one, I think, and that's Map. Maybe you could make a case for Rhapsody, but everything else works just fine without additional effort. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: unable to get into flashing mode on N800
On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: the subject line says it: I can't get my N800 into flashing mode by holding down Home key when pressing power button. What are my options for reflashing the tablet? Is it plugged into USB (it wont enter flashing mode unless it's connected to USB)? If so, are you sure you have the right Home key (it's the one with the house on it)? -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: unable to get into flashing mode on N800
On Mar 6, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: 2009/3/6 Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com: On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:43 AM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: the subject line says it: I can't get my N800 into flashing mode by holding down Home key when pressing power button. What are my options for reflashing the tablet? Is it plugged into USB (it wont enter flashing mode unless it's connected to USB)? If so, are you sure you have the right Home key (it's the one with the house on it)? I usually use a different, easier, safer method: turn off the tablet, disconnect it from the charger, connect it to the PC via USB run the flasher on the PC in root connect the tablet to the charger. It will turn on in flash mode automatically. It's actually not safer. The argument I've heard from Nokia engineers is that there's a chance that if the power goes out (charger unplugged, power outage, etc), that the flashing could fail, and if it fails while flashing NOLO . . . let's just say it's a good idea to stick to the Nokia-recommended procedure. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:17 PM, Mark wrote: On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps I get emotional after the messages like I will never buy a Nokia product again from people who act with outrage as if someone sold them a faulty item that breaks in a millon pieces in the first week of use. The outrage is due to the *fact* that the device doesn't live up to its PR. _What_ PR? -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Mar 6, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Mark wrote: On the box, at the Point of Sale, even what you and all the other rabid defenders are saying. You flat out deny that the tablets have any failings. Your comeback is always that the problem is always with people's expectations, never with the devices. You obviously don't know me very well, then. You also, clearly, aren't really interested in having a rational discussion here. Thanks for the flames. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: unable to get into flashing mode on N800
On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: of course you still need to have a fully charged battery in ! If the charger fails, then the battery kicks in automatically, shouldn't it ? This is what I would think, but that was the hypothetical situation that I heard. Either way, any benefits certainly aren't worth the risks. Charge your tablet fully, unplug the charger, then flash. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: unable to get into flashing mode on N800
On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: 2009/3/6 Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com: On Mar 6, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: of course you still need to have a fully charged battery in ! If the charger fails, then the battery kicks in automatically, shouldn't it ? This is what I would think, but that was the hypothetical situation that I heard. Either way, any benefits certainly aren't worth the risks. Charge your tablet fully, unplug the charger, then flash. That's interesting, may I ask you a reference of where this was said ? Feel free to dig around in the #maemo IRC logs. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Nokia device usage
On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Mark wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Marius Gedminas mar...@pov.lt wrote: Overall, the current generations of NITs are far from perfect, but they are the best hacker's devices of their size I've ever seen. Marius Gedminas And *that* is the summary of the state of the tablets: they're *great* for hackers, but as consumer end-user devices, not so much. And? This is exactly how Nokia's positioned them, so it sounds like the plan is working really well. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: FYI - Gizmo (SIP) to Skype gateway
On Feb 20, 2009, at 5:14 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote: 2009/2/20 Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com: On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Wayne Fiori wrote: Does Gizmo use less resources than Skype? Gizmo's sound quality was considerably lower than Skype's back in Gizmo v4 (PC). Is that still the case? It does if you connect with rtcomm. . . . It does use less resources when using rtcomm or it does sounds worse when using rtcomm? It uses less resources. :) -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: FYI - Gizmo (SIP) to Skype gateway
On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Andrew Daviel wrote: Now that I think about it, I believe both Gizmo and Skype applications bundled with the N810 are teasers to download the real application. I'm not sure which works better; I've not really tried either for real. Gizom has video calling, while Skype did not last I tried. Well, the nice thing about Gizmo is that is uses free protocols (Jabber, SIP) so you can use any Jabber or SIP client to connect to its network (like rtcomm). Unlike Skype, which requires you to use their client (which, on Maemo, sucks). -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: damaged power connecter
On Feb 19, 2009, at 6:29 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 04:42:16PM -0800, lakestevensdental wrote: FYI, there is an untapped/lost charging option, at least for the n800. Under OS2007 you could charge your n800 with the USB connection. [citation needed] Let's make this even clearer. ;) No, no such option ever existed. The USB port is not wired up to charge the battery, so please don't spread lies. Thank you. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: FYI - Gizmo (SIP) to Skype gateway
On Feb 19, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Wayne Fiori wrote: Does Gizmo use less resources than Skype? Gizmo's sound quality was considerably lower than Skype's back in Gizmo v4 (PC). Is that still the case? It does if you connect with rtcomm. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: What are the new features and improvements in the latest upgrade to OS2008?
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Tim Ashman t...@ashmans.net wrote: I took a look, and it is marked as Low or won't do. It is a shame since that is a show stopper for me. I've been using the web interface on the tablet but I now just have been ssh'ing to my home machine and running kmail remotely to check mail. It works and I don't have the issue with seeing emails more than once. Currently Maemo bugs in Bugzilla are not properly triaged for priority (as that would require Nokia to actually pay attention to them and work them into their workflow), so don't take the priority as anything but an indication of what either the reporter or a community triager has set based on entirely arbitrary criteria. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Browserd consumes too much CPU on N810 - OS 2008 (5.2008.43)
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Andrea Grandi a.gra...@gmail.com wrote: If you try to load Facebook.com website, the situation is even worse: it takes about 85% CPU simply doing nothing. Is it _actually_ doing nothing, or do you just _think_ it's doing nothing and, in fact, it's _actually_ running a ton of crappy JavaScript and Flash applets? :) Have you tried turning off js and Flash and then looking at the CPU usage? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Browserd consumes too much CPU on N810 - OS 2008 (5.2008.43)
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Re: App-Manager failure
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Small buglet: the page says switch on your tablet while holding the Home-button (N800) but I couldn't find any documentation which referred to a home button. I guessed it referred to the middle button of the upper rocker. The one with a house on it that takes you to Home when you hold it down. . . . A home button is not a fullscreen button. :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Nov 24, 2008, at 8:37 AM, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Mark Haury wrote: Ryan Abel wrote: Yes, upgrade to Diablo, it has a much more useful Application Manager. :) ...and a bunch of other stuff is broken that previously worked... If that's not an option, running apt-get update as root in xterm will give you more verbose errors ...which is fine for advanced users, but not an option for the average consumer end-user. Just getting root access is not trivial. Didn't the Application manager log provide enough information? (And if not, what was missing from it and could you file a bug about that?) He was using Bora, so, no, but any bug filed would be WORKSFORME, so it's a moot discussion. If you're going to sell a device that requires significant Linux knowledge to use, that should be clearly stated in any sales information. You're mailing on the maemo-users list, which in its sales information: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman//listinfo/maemo-users states that it's: A list for users of maemo Development Platform. (It's a bit confusing name.) With the redefinition of Maemo and the shift in maemo.org's role, the description really should be changed. Whatever it's supposed to be, it's definitely a list of users of Maemo these days. Either way, his point about Linux knowledge is also moot, as nothing of the sort is required for either as-advertised usage or most things outside of that. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:34 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: ext Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Didn't the Application manager log provide enough information? (And if not, what was missing from it and could you file a bug about that?) He was using Bora, so, no, but any bug filed would be WORKSFORME, so it's a moot discussion. The Application manager had logs since the beginning. Or are you saying that the log didn't contain enough information? It's been a while since I used Bora, but I seem to recall something being better about logging since then. Dunno what, though. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Mark wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're going to sell a device that requires significant Linux knowledge to use, that should be clearly stated in any sales information. You're mailing on the maemo-users list, which in its sales information: https://lists.maemo.org/mailman//listinfo/maemo-users states that it's: A list for users of maemo Development Platform. (It's a bit confusing name.) As a matter of fact, it's not just confusing, it's inaccurate. As maemo.org is where all tablet users are pointed to get new apps and updates for their tablets, it's not just a development environment, it's the platform. A list that is strictly for developers should be named maemo-app-developers, because they use the maemo environment to develop apps. It's plenty clear and correct as it actually stands (the website needing to be updated is another issue). maemo-users is for users of Maemo, maemo-developers is for developers of Maemo and Maemo applications. Really the fundamental problem is that the consumer-oriented stuff (apps, updates, wiki) should never have been part of the maemo site. It should be part of ITT or some other site with a completely different name. The way it's been done is bizarre and can't possibly be anything other than confusing. Well, no, the fundamental problem is that maemo was originally the development platform (not the whole platform, or the OS), so maemo.org was where developers went to do developer things. Somebody who used maemo was a developer, thus maemo-users. Then things shifted, and maemo.org started focusing on more than just developers and maemo started referring to more than the development platform. Problem is, there was a period where the community usage and Nokia's intended usage didn't quite sync up (notice they never referred to the firmware shipped with the tablets as maemo, only Internet Tablet 2006 or Internet Tablet OS 2008 or OS2008). Then Nokia decided that they wanted to use the maemo trademark, and maemo became Maemo, OSSO became Maemo Software, and the community picked up maemo.org. So, today: Maemo: the platform Maemo Software: a division within Nokia working on Maemo maemo.org: the home of the Maemo Community The maemo site is also much more useful and usable than ITT. But then, that's further evidence that the devices are aimed at developers even though they are marketed to consumers... Er, no, it's evidence that itT is a web forum with some extra stuff sort of half-heartedly slapped on it and a user-base not very interested in maintaining its wiki. maemo.org is the home of the Maemo Community, where anybody interested in participating in the community should go. Nokia will be shifting the official development (particularly commercial development) stuff to Forum Nokia and the real user stuff to maemo.nokia.com. Forum Nokia for commercial developers maemo.nokia.com for real users (i.e., the ones who don't know Linux that concern you so much) maemo.org for community activity, and users and developers who want to do interesting things with their devices It should all become clear as these new sites go live, as it's really quite simple and not particularly confusing at all. But that's not what we're talking about anyway. The point was who the Tablets are marketed to, not the mailing list itself. At this point in time, no average PDA user is going to have much success with the Tablets without learning a bunch of Linux and getting their hands dirty under the hood. That's hardly consumer-friendly. The tablets aren't really _marketed_ to anybody, as Nokia doesn't actually market them. I've yet to see anybody convincingly back up the claim that a bunch of Linux is required to use the device as advertised, but this argument seems to be made up mostly of emotion, and I've had it more times than I care to remember, so I'm quite certain I know what the result of this one will be. Feel free to prove me wrong, though. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Default PIM software
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:39 AM, Peter Flynn wrote: I only have experience with the JavaScript that comes by default with the default browser for OS2007: I don't know if this is microb's JavaScript or not. This often fails to position stuff where FF does (at the same rez), and fails frequently to instantiate buttons and menus that can be clicked (they're visible but don't operate). Maybe upgrading to Diablo will fix this: I haven't dug into what browser comes with that. It's a really old version of Opera, noted, primarily, for its god- awful js compatibility and performance. :) -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:54 AM, sebastian maemo wrote: Hi Ryan: Could you be so extremely kind as to tell me why I cannot edit wiki pages any more? By the way, my user login is 'sebas'... (just in case you need it). It's probably this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788 Editing anonymously over https shouldn't present a problem. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: sebastian maemo wrote: Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you confirm that all packages are correctly transferred... But it's so logical thing that I really don't understand what all you are talking about... Nokia/Maemo.org . . . Nokia/Maemo.org . . . Nokia/Maemo.org . . . Nokia/Maemo.org Just to clarify, the decision to centralize on Extras came from the community and maemo.org. Nokia was not involved. ;) -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Nov 22, 2008, at 5:08 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: Ryan Abel wrote: Yes, upgrade to Diablo, it has a much more useful Application Manager. :) I haven't got that far yet. Having avoided OS2008 on the information on most forums that it basically broke too many things that worked in OS2007, I need to look much harder at what will and won't work in Diablo. Open to recommendations... Ignore trolls and upgrade. :) Seriously, you get a whole 70 extra megahertz for _free_, not to mention improvements pretty much _everywhere_. If that's not an option, running apt-get update as root in xterm will give you more verbose errors It certainly did, and I should have tried this earlier. jalimo.org seems to have moved somewhere; anderenen.de has gone 404 and I had a duplicate for catalogue-tableteer for some reason. Hey, I'm glad it helped. :) Now I can update stuff, but it says omweather 0.21.3 download is corrupt, and that openssh-common 1:4.6p1-5.maemo1 is needed but unavailable. Not a show-stopper, what's there works OK. Seriously, upgrade. Bora is old, slow, and unsupported. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Nov 22, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mark Haury wrote: Ryan Abel wrote: Yes, upgrade to Diablo, it has a much more useful Application Manager. :) ...and a bunch of other stuff is broken that previously worked... bunch of stuff isn't a useful metric for your argument. There was some stuff, yes, but most of them have been fixed, and the advantages far outweigh any setbacks. If that's not an option, running apt-get update as root in xterm will give you more verbose errors ...which is fine for advanced users, but not an option for the average consumer end-user. Just getting root access is not trivial. Which is why Diablo's Application Manager does this error handling for you! Moot argument, please stop trolling. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Default PIM software
On Nov 22, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Mark Haury wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: Is there anything available in Diablo or OS2008 that uses the camera successfully? (Just curious) Er.. you may be referring to networked apps again. I don't know of any. The last time I checked, Skype and Gizmo didn't support the camera. Somebody correct me if that's changed. I can't find anything else. Gizmo, aMSN, and rtcomm all support the camera. Please try doing a little research before you just blurt thing out in the future. The result of your blurting is usually threads exactly like this one. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:53 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: Ryan Abel wrote: Ignore trolls and upgrade. :) Seriously, you get a whole 70 extra megahertz for _free_, not to mention improvements pretty much _everywhere_. A lot depends on what the improvements are :-) Pretty much everything, but I can only recommend that you upgrade, I'm not out to convince you. You'll have to do your own research (the topic has been covered extensively in many places, so information wont be hard to come by). Seriously, upgrade. Bora is old, slow, and unsupported. So long as I can flash back to it if the stuff I need doesn't yet work in Diablo, I'm happy; http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Java SaxonB8 TeX Emacs Calendar Contacts Gizmo Claws Xterm PDF reader Gnumeric Xchat CUPS Abiword Pidgin Mauku All of these things work fine (in fact, most of them work a lot better) in Diablo. The only one I'm not sure about is SaxonB8, but I'm sure a little googling will turn up what you need. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
Wow, I'm impressed at how much FUD-spewing sans-facts is going on in this thread. Bravo. So, let me set a few things straight: First, there is ABSOLUTELY no conspiracy involved. Eko1 was not singled out because it contained a pen-testing tool, in fact, it wasn't singled out at all. Niels has sent a _lot_ of emails to 3rd- party repository owners to get them to move their packages to Extras and close their repositories.[1][2] Eko1 happened to choose to do this in a slightly more user-hostile way than most by simply closing the repository and not moving many of the packages to Extras. If you'd really like me to prove there's no conspiracy, I'll have qwerty12 upload all of his fun little hacker tools to Extras-devel tomorrow. So, you know who the blame is on for not moving their packages before they close the repository? The repository owner. Not Nokia, not anybody from maemo.org that made a request, but the repository owner who, for whatever reason, decided not to move their packages to Extras. Clearly transitions like these can cause some short-term instability that makes things harder for specific individuals, but the overall effect for the community, and the long-term effect for everybody is an environment with lots of high-quality, easy-to-install packages available from right when you take your new device out of the box and open up the Application Manager (Extras will hopefully come enabled by default with Maemo 5).[3] Second, it is exactly BECAUSE of situations like this one (packages and repositories just disappearing with users being left out in the cold) that the _Maemo Community_ (note, non of this had anything AT ALL to do with Nokia) decided that _we_ wanted to make Extras the centralized repository for community packages and applications.[4] If packages are in maemo.org, they're more accessible, come with a higher level of quality assurance, and more likely to remain available in the long term. Third, Extras has nothing at all to do with Nokia, it is controlled by the Maemo Community (i.e., all of you) as a part of maemo.org. Nokia doesn't have a say in what's allowed into Extras (excepting clearly illegal or copyright-violating packages--Nokia's Maemo's Quim's Package of Pure Evil would clearly not be an acceptable title--but there haven't been any of those yet). Ultimate responsibility falls on the Maemo Community, and, perhaps, the Maemo Community Council, not Nokia. I've said my piece, but clearly this thread isn't headed anywhere useful, so you guys can take it or leave it. I'd prefer to see some sense and reasonability come back into the discussion, and I'd be happy to discuss specifics with you if it does, but for until that point. . . . Some light reading for those of you that are just guessing and spewing FUD instead of looking at the facts: [1]https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras [2]https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Reducing_number_of_external_repositories [3]https://wiki.maemo.org/Extras_repository_process_definition [4]https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Consolidation_of_Extras -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure (was: Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos
On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: lakestevensdental wrote: As it is, App Manager seems a rather crude work in progress that displays the crudest information during the updating process -- it doesn't even say what repository catalog is being updated during the update process. Has anyone any idea where to start? Yes, upgrade to Diablo, it has a much more useful Application Manager. :) If that's not an option, running apt-get update as root in xterm will give you more verbose errors (I'm not sure if the Bora Application Manager included logs, but you might poke around its menu a bit). -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos
On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on the maemo site to be served, and frequently it times out first. Even when pages do load, frequently there are elements missing. If the repositories are similarly affected, that could create havoc with anyone trying to update them. Ditto on the observation of poor Maemo server speed. The server improvements are still ongoing (which Bergie and that Niels character you guys seem to hate so much have been putting an insane amount of work into).[1] In fact, the first major fruits of those efforts went live just on Monday.[2] . . . and, no, the repositories are not similarly affected. repository.maemo.org has a massive akamai cache that keeps it running quickly. [1]https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Fast_Server [2]http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/maemo-org_goes_ragnaroek/ -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Pb with Maemo wiki
On Nov 18, 2008, at 4:16 AM, COURTAUD Didier wrote: Hi I tried to look at the new Package Categories that have been announced and for that I load http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories on Firefox 3 and . nothing appears !! I am running Firefox 3 on Red Hat Linux Reload and make sure you clear your cache. . . . (ctrl-shft-r) -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Connecting to the Internet via Bluetooth
On Nov 2, 2008, at 4:41 PM, José Luís wrote: Hi, You can try this howto http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto-bluetoothnetworking-dun-ppp/ On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 17:36, Leonardo F. Fontenelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Em Dom, 2008-11-02 às 16:29 -0500, James Knott escreveu: Considering how cheap WiFi gear is these days, why not buy an access point? Most inexpensive WiFi routers can be configured in access point mode, so that WiFi devices, such as the N800 appear on your local LAN. I'd like to get a solution with my current resources, but trying to set up the bluetooth access point has been a headache. If I can't find out soon how to get this access point working, buying a WiFi access point can actually save me some money. Or how about the up-to-date version https://wiki.maemo.org/ Bluetooth_PAN ? Though I believe the dummy fixes are bundled with 36-5. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Connecting to the Internet via Bluetooth
On Nov 2, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Leonardo F. Fontenelle wrote: Em Dom, 2008-11-02 às 18:27 -0500, Ryan Abel escreveu: Or how about the up-to-date version https://wiki.maemo.org/ Bluetooth_PAN ? Though I believe the dummy fixes are bundled with 36-5. I'm sorry, what does 36-5 mean? It's the week number and build number of the latest release. 4.2008.36-5 I tried maemo-pan, but it displays a notification about looking for a phone, and doesn't find my computer. Ah, hrm, I'm not sure if it was ever modified to accept computers as PAN hosts. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
On Oct 29, 2008, at 4:51 AM, Quim Gil wrote: About the rest of the thread, how useful is it to discuss before Nokia publishes the maemo 5 API and announces a product shipping it? Enjoy your current devices! Fremantle is not even in alpha. The N810 WiMAX edition just started the sales few days ago (running the very same software inside). No matter what happens with Fremantle the N800/N810 users are going to benefit from this. Well, when Nokia is done with Diablo to the point that they wont even apply a simple patch like this[1], then I'd say future plans are pretty important. [1]https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3470 -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:40 AM, Quim Gil wrote: ext Ryan Abel wrote: Well, when Nokia is done with Diablo to the point that they wont even apply a simple patch like this[1], then I'd say future plans are pretty important. It's not that Nokia is done with Diablo. The development is split in teams and the Diablo development differs depending on teams. Some teams are indeed mostly or totally done with Diablo since the component is stable and all the work has moved forward to the new releases. Which is completely impossible to divine from an outsider's point of view. Either Nokia needs to change its workflow in such a way that working is automatically working in the community or managers need to find a way to make time to interact with the community (even 30 minutes a week dealing with bugs in Bugzilla would be a godsend). Otherwise, we're just never going to make any real progress. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:11:19AM -0600, Denis Dimick wrote: So the worst case here; Nokia drops out of the Linux market, or reduces their support for older hardware platforms. Since the software is open source, except for the close-source binary-blob drivers that drive the proprietary chips. Yes, I think the correct approach is for not necessarily for Nokia to actively maintain releases for old hardware all the way back to the beginning, but to remove as many blockers as possible to the community maintaining releases for old hardware. An open source wifi driver for the N8x0 removed a huge blocker towards community support for this generation of hardware, as it means we can update the kernel without relying on getting updated binary blobs. This discussion has been had many times before, though, so I suggest anybody interested visit the mailing list archives. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
On Oct 28, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Mark wrote: Yeah, they instigated the maemo community in order to have an excuse to abandon support for hardware that is actually quite new. The N810 hasn't even been out a year yet, and everybody's talking like it's a dinosaur. They had lots of choices for hardware at every stage of the tablet game, and if they didn't start out with something more cutting edge, that's their problem, and shouldn't be ours. So, using one of the fastest ARM SoCs at the time of release doesn't count as using cutting edge hardware? Bogus. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
On Oct 30, 2008, at 2:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 07:52:09PM +0100, Fred Pacquier wrote: So, before the Fremantle wave definitely buries the 770 platform (and This sounds like something I should know about. Googling Fremantle tells me it's a city in Australia, which seems not relevant. Your google-fu is very weak. The first four results are all relevant: http://www.google.com/search?ie=utf8oe=utf8q=fremantle+maemo -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Repeat quetion : Diablo update to OS2008HE ? (Was: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?)
On Oct 28, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Luca Olivetti wrote: El Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:35:17 + gary liquid [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Shall we expect Nokia to simply cease development work and stop everything because they have users of a current generation who can't use the newer faster better way of doing something? Should Sony have remained at the playstation1 level because they had a lot of owners? I can run the latest linux distribution on an almost 10 years old computer, and I assure you that the distro maker didn't stand still to cater for me. It's obviously slower than a new computer but it's quite useable, I just turn off the most demanding desktop effects and don't use it for 3d animation. Heck, I could even use lxde instead of kde4 if I really cared about its slowness. If I buy, say, a netbook, I'll lose the pocketability of the tablet (and that's quite an important factor), but I know that 10 years from now I'll probably be able to use it (if it lasts, which I doubt, since most electronics nowadays are made to use and throw away in a matter of months, yes, including the tablets) with the latest and greatest. This is a totally bogus analogy. No matter what you think, the mobile ARM hardware just cannot be equated to off-the-shelf x86 hardware, it's a whole different beast, for which you have to understand the issues involved. The embedded market simply moves too quickly, with each generation existing at the barely enough performance end of the spectrum. The performance margins are simply too thin and the hardware capabilities too modest. That said, I'm fairly certain Nokia doesn't even know for certain whether Fremantle will be supported on the OMAP2 generation yet. Let's wait until it's decided one way or the other before we start throwing stones. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Software Choices for New Nokia 770?
On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:27 PM, Urivan Saaib wrote: I've been playing with Diablo on my n770 for several months. It has been fairly stable. No, you've been playing with Chinook. Diablo is not available for the 770. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
What about something like powerlaunch? Music playback is a pretty common use case, and having to take the tablet out of your pocket to change the volume or the song is a pain. Some hooks into dsme/mce so you can issue commands with the screen turned off would be a nice feature. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Projects Nokia should support (yours?)
On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:26 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: If Nokia is really serious about being a larger player, they ought to aggressively develop and license the Maemo tablet OS to other manufacturers so that it has an opportunity to become a dominant player in the this growing market niche instead of just another somewhat self-limiting (soon to be abandoned) proprietary sand castle. Rather than building Maemo up as yet-another-Linux-distro, I'd _rather_ see Nokia come inline with upstream and essentially ship Ubuntu or Debian, but with their own differentiation on top. Hildon is already open, somebody just needs to package it up to a sufficiently usable state for other platforms (it's already in Debian and Ubuntu, but simply installing it doesn't quite get you where you want to be). Though, if speculation based on certain rumors is to be believe, this may actually already be happening. Give it another 6 months and I'm sure we'll know for sure. As it is, with other tablets, like Archos, coming out with their own OS/Linux variants, it seems the market is going in the direction of being more and more fractured with lots of reinventing of the same OS wheels over and over. The market would probably benefit having some central organization to manage and develop the OS so that hardware folks could focus more on developing cost effective powerful hardware rather than both hardware and OS/software. Archos is a bad example. I doubt they'd ever be interested in anything than their own proprietary, accessory peddling mess. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fennec vs MicroB
On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:09 AM, John Holmblad wrote: If The ~6.5x performance gain of Fennec over Microb as asserted in the Aris Technica article holds as this product moves to production then I will vote with my install apps button soon thereafter. It's only a JavaScript improvement, not necessarily a general performance improvement. Fennec is only faster because it is based on a newer version of Firefox. MicroB will get faster, too (it already has over the past two SSU updates), as it comes inline with Firefox trunk. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: disk space running short on /
On Oct 20, 2008, at 1:08 PM, Christer Eliasson wrote: Why havent Nokia made an option for installing on the internal memory card on the N810 ?? The Tablet is great in every respect but this tiny little bug makes me a bit cross http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: disk space running short on /
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Christer Eliasson wrote: But that is also a workaround as i see it as the option of installing to another target should be there by default. The boot-from-SD method is faster, more stable, and generally way better than any let's break the system over multiple partitions- methods (it also provides you with a bootable backup). -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fennec vs MicroB
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:07 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: I'm not surprised AT ALL to see them mention the N810 only. I wonder if there's ANYTHING that makes it NOT RUN on a N800. The virtual keyboard behavior is intermittent. It works, but currently not all that well. Or perhaps the Mozilla team is clueless about the platform? Nah, the guys working on Fennec aren't clueless, they just don't have unlimited free time, so getting it working with a device that has a hardware keyboard to make their job easier was probably a priority. ;) -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Fennec vs MicroB
On Oct 20, 2008, at 2:42 PM, Mark wrote: I can't recommend installing Fennec on *any* device. It will screw with other things. I can't recall the details, but I had to re-flash my N800 after installing Fennec, because not only was it useless without a hardware keyboard, it changed the behavior of MicroB and made it useless as well. Were you a responsible tester? Did you file a bug?[1] Or do you just expect devs to fix things even when they don't know there's a problem? [1]http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: disk space running short on /
On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Denis Dimick wrote: Say someone does boot from SD, what happens when they remove the SD card to copy data over to it; I've run into a bug that causes scp to die/hang when copying large (AVI) files over wireless. If you're booted from it, then bad things, but if the tablet is powered off, and you're using a machine that can recognize ext2/3, then you just copy as usual. Both tablets have two mass storage devices (the N810's just happens to be soldered on), so use one SD as a permanent boot device, and the other for mass storage. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: disk space running short on /
On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:33 PM, kenneth marken wrote: well, if we could get nokia to support it natively (watching the dance some had to do to get it all running again at the latest ssu) it would be a bit more interesting. but so far your best of waiting each time a ssu update shows up in app manager, until whoever do those alternate boot systems can get back up to speed. Personally, I'm hoping the N900 ships with a NAND-free 256MB RAM PoP and moves the OS to a big eMMC (2-32GB). Problems solved. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: MicroB about:config Awesome Bar
On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Denis Dimick wrote: Maybe I'm confusing it with the lower bar that lists words you can pick from when your typing in a URL. Which is a global feature completely unrelated to MicroB. Toggle it in input setting in the control panel. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: disk space running short on /
On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:59 PM, Christer Eliasson wrote: But as i said above, why doesnt it just work? (Out of the box that is) Because software features aren't free to implement and all software companies have finite resources and priorities? Nokia likely balanced the possible benefits against the costs of implementation and possible pitfalls (How do you explain to users why removing removable media now makes their system unbootable? Or how the card they used to mount on their Windows computer over USB no longer mounts? Or a variety of other issues. . . .) and came to the conclusion that it wasn't worth the time and effort (and suffering for their support staff) for their average user's use-case. Clear enough? -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: disk space running short on /
On Oct 20, 2008, at 5:03 PM, Denis Dimick wrote: Very good point, I guess what your really saying is: If your going to be a Power User then act like a Power User and hack your own tools, but provide your own support when it breaks. (Not meant to sound snotty) Wise words. ;) Either way, my suspicions say this is gonna get easier moving forward (Fremantle, N900, etc.), if features like this interest you, vote for them.[1] That said, there's a lot of room for the community to step up and make things better for itself. Personally, I'm pushing the Community distribution.[2] Which might help reduce the impact of SSU updates on community hacks (i.e., not annihilating bootmenu with every new update), and if somebody wanted to put together a GUI partition manager (sfdisk probably causes the most pain and suffering out of the whole procedure), and, perhaps, a cloning wizard, then things would be much simpler. [1]http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3745 [2]http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_Community_distribution -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Filesystem in Diablo
On Oct 20, 2008, at 5:28 PM, Christer Eliasson wrote: Where is my Documents folder? /home/user/MyDocs/.documents[1] [1]http://wiki.maemo.org/MyDocs_folder -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A Race between the IPhone and the Nokia IT WE
On Oct 18, 2008, at 12:08 PM, John Holmblad wrote: here is the url to the www page that was linked to the engadget www site and which summarizes another speed comparison that includes both the N810 and the Iphone 3g as well as the Archos 5; http://www.pocketables.net/2008/10/website-load-ti.html It should be noted that what this comes down to, really, is a CPU speed comparison and not a useful browser comparison. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: A Race between the IPhone and the Nokia IT WE
On Oct 18, 2008, at 3:33 PM, John Holmblad wrote: well yes, this test provides , by it very nature, an overall system performance comparison and the differences are most likely, although not certainly, due to differences in processor speed where the devices that has the newest vintage has the upper hand. Considering that the OMAP3 in the Archos 5 has easily 2-3x the performance of the OMAP2420 in our tablets, yes, the differences illustrated here are certainly CPU-bound. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On Oct 7, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Marius Vollmer wrote: True. Perhaps we (as a community) should try pushing this message more: red-pill mode is intended as a rescue environment in the event of b0rkage; not for every day use (even by power users)? Yes. What about making red-pill mode non-persistent: on the next start of the AM, it would be back in blue-pill mode. Sounds good to me. It needing virtual keyboard (that could be borked) on N80 is another concern though... Honestly, if your system is that broken, Application manager isn't going to help you much. Better to say yourself the frustration and just reflash. . . . -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:04 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: I have already changed the defaults of red-pill mode to be 'safer': Show all packages and Show magic:sys are now off by default. Oh thank god! That makes my troubleshooting life so much easier. Three cheers for Marius! Ah, no, just stay out of red-pill mode for updates. They might take some time, but they should not need any baby-sitting. It should be one big download followed by one big installation and a clean reboot. At some point, Red Pill mode became some sort of magical fix-all snake oil that everybody and his brother recommended for every problem. Predictably and unfortunately, most of the people who ended following these recommendations are exactly the people who shouldn't have. The folks on the front lines of community troubleshooting support have done their best to try to stop its usage as a magic bullet, but a lot of people seem to ignore the advice against using it. To anybody reading using Red Pill mode, please don't. If you aren't absolutely positive of what it's going to do, then you're just going to get yourself in trouble. You don't need it and you don't want it, so don't use it. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: S6 benq
On Oct 5, 2008, at 9:02 AM, John Holmblad wrote: lighten up. That was no off topic. You just need to think a bit more deeply and broadly about subject to conclude that is fits within the scope of this list. Does it run Maemo? (no) Can it run Maemo? (no) What does it have to do with Maemo? (nothing at all) What's the name of this list? (maemo-users) Quoting the list description from maemo.org[1] A list for users of maemo Development Platform. Share your experiences with the rest of the maemo community. How, exactly, is this thread on-topic, again? [1]http://lists.maemo.org/mailman//listinfo/maemo-users -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi borked after update
On Oct 3, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Marius Vollmer wrote: Hmm, a dependency error is not something that you can override. Any chance that you remember more details about this? More than a few people have mentioned overriding or ingoring dependency errors when installing this update. I can't explain it myself. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: S6 benq
On Oct 3, 2008, at 11:37 AM, Mark wrote: Note that all the new MIDs include office document support out of the box... Mark On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Thomas Clavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hy all, I juste discover the last Internet device from BenQ : http://benq.com/products/MobileInternetDevice/?product=1402page=specifications Atom powered with 512M of RAM, and it run with Midinux ... what do you think about it ? Please refrain from off-topic postings to this list. :) -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flash player conflict stopping the feature update
On Sep 30, 2008, at 12:01 PM, Matt Emson wrote: Someone on the Internet Tablet Talk Forums released a package that fixed the Flash Player version string issue that stopped a lot of sites recognising that the version of flash in ITOS2008 was compatible. That someone being timeless. :) Unfortunately, it seems this package is stopping installation of the latest feature upgrade available via system update. It claims the version of the Flash Player is the problem. I haven't attempted to remove the package in question, don't know if that would work, but this is a heads up to those who, like me, did the same to get Flash to work with Youtube and Myspace etc. Just uninstall the package from Application manager and all will be well. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: UI Questions
On Sep 27, 2008, at 8:06 AM, Eric Warnke wrote: It's in garage. https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=browser That's old. tablet-browser-ui is indeed closed. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which *class* of SDHC card to get?
On Sep 27, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:31:22 -0600, Mark wrote: You may not plan to remove a card once you put it into your tablet, but what happens when those 32Gb cards (and later on 64Gb, 128Gb, etc.) From what I've found out, the current standard (2.0) expires at 32Mb. So they'll probably have to think up new interfacing to get to 64Gb, and they won't work in the n800. By the time I ca afford devices that can use cards that big, the cards will probably be quite affordable. SDHC specifies up to 32GB, but the hardware tops out at 2048GB. I'm not sure why it's at 32GB at the moment, but it certainly wont require hardware changes (and shouldn't require software changes as far as I can guess). By the way MB is megabyte and Mb is megabit. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
On Sep 26, 2008, at 9:01 AM, Eero Tamminen wrote: However, I don't understand what's the problem with this functionality being offered by a 3rd party component if the component is easily available from the extras repository? There is a project to combine the Bluetooth and WiFi applets into a single applet (an Advanced Connectivity of sorts), but it hasn't really gotten off the ground lacking anybody with real knowledge of libconic and the connectivity interfaces, and, unfortunately, because both applets are closed there are no examples to work from. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Another annoyance: bluetooth icon disappears
On Sep 26, 2008, at 11:44 AM, Eero Tamminen wrote: ext Andrew Flegg wrote: On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Ryan Abel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a project to combine the Bluetooth and WiFi applets into a single applet (an Advanced Connectivity of sorts), but it hasn't really gotten off the ground lacking anybody with real knowledge of libconic and the connectivity interfaces, and, unfortunately, because both applets are closed there are no examples to work from. I think this is then the real issue here. Is there a bug about both of these issue (the interfaces lacking documentation and applet sources) which people could vote on? Well, there's this, but I don't know of a bug on the documentation. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3195 -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Which *class* of SDHC card to get?
On Sep 22, 2008, at 5:49 PM, Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, I wend out shopping for an 8GB SDHC card for my n800, and was surprised by the enormous range of prices -- almost an order of magnitude. Of course there's issues of quality and brand-recognition, but the biggest difference seemed to be between the class of the card. There were cards of class 2, class 4, ans class 6. Now the class appears to be a matter of speed. I run the system on a 4GB card which is of class 4. I have no clue if class 2 would be to slow or class 6 would be a significant boost, but cannot complain about my class 4 card. Class 6. All the decent cards are cheap these days, anyway. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 RIP?
On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Denis Dimick wrote: The n800 has been discontinued, about a year ago. You may find one on e-bay, or just pick up the n810. Er, year? The N810 hasn't even been _out_ a year. More like 4-6 months. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 RIP?
On Sep 19, 2008, at 4:37 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 5:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:12:37AM -0600, Denis Dimick wrote: Jeff, The n800 has been discontinued, about a year ago. You may find one on e-bay, or just pick up the n810. The n810 is *not* an adequate replacement for the 800, just as the 800 is *not* an adequate replacement for the 810. I never got a word from Nokia as to wether it was discontinued or not. In fact, it's still available from Nokia UK's shopping site. I asked Nokia repeatedly, they wouldn't answer me. Nokia doesn't announce discontinuations. They just sort of slowly stop selling them and don't tell anybody. -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: reseting my Nokia 770 back to factory
On Sep 17, 2008, at 1:42 AM, Justin Slootsky wrote: How do I reset my Nokia 770 back to as delivered ?? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware -- Ryan Abel Maemo Community Council chair ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: run application on maemo (Nokia 770)
On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:30 AM, Michael Stepanov wrote: If you activate RD mode (using flasher, for example: sudo ./flasher-3.0 --enable-rd-mode -R ) you can use a command sudo gainroot To get root privileges. RD mode is the wrong way to go about getting root access. Install becomeroot instead: http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb Note: N800, N810, and 770 users running OS2008HE should refer to this page for gaining root access: https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: run application on maemo (Nokia 770)
On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Michael Stepanov wrote: I don't have any objections, Ryan. The idea is to have root access. As I know it can done by many ways. Activation of RD mode is one of the oldest methods :) The problem is, it also comes with some side effects (reduced battery life, potentially, being one of them). Installing a package is both simpler and safer. ;) -- Ryan Abel maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: n810 and Active X
On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 02:21:52PM +0100, Andrew Flegg wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Active X made it to the n810 yet? No. It's a proprietary Microsoft technology; I'm not aware of even how you'd *begin* to attempt to bring ActiveX controls to the N810. using Wine, maybe? You are aware that Wine is x86-only, right? -- Ryan Abel maemo.org Community Council member ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Diablo's Modest/Email
On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Mark wrote: Once again, nice theory, but very far from reality. In reality, *very* few open source products approach anything like the reliability, usability, versatility or feature set of their commercial competition. Yes, a few projects beat their commercial rivals, but that's about 0.001% of the open source stuff out there. You mind citing a source on this one? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Opera Mini for maemo?
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eugene Antimirov wrote: May be there are some other(free) web page sanitizing proxies? I'm not sure if this still works but one used to be able to go to m.google.com, search for a site by FQDN, then view the page(s) sans images, etc. that's more friendly to mobile devices. In MicroB, you can just turn off images completely with the little magnifying glass on the bottom right of the toolbar. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Removing excess packages after Diablo upgrade
- Original message - ext R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These along with many other packages (chinese-font, clink-av0, gnuchess for example) are listed as dependencies/requirements of 'OS2008 feature upgrade 1:4.2008.23-14'. Is there any way to remove this sort of restriction? (Unpack, revise and repack the .deb for example.?) Yes, that would work. You can also remove the files of the packages and leave the package itself installed (after verifying that nothing else than the osso-software-version-rx34 package depends on it.) A better option might be to just remove the osso-software-version-rx34 (or -rx44) package and update 'manually' with apt-get upgrade etc from then on. Bad p.an, apt-get upgrade resulted in reboot lo and general brokennessops for quite a few people who tried it with osso-software-version installed for this last round of updates.out ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Out of memory for updates on N810
- Original message - I am trying to install several updates but I get a message that I don't have enough memory. One of the updates is an OS2008 update. Do I have any options other than removing apps to free up space? Is there any way to store apps in the internal memory or an external memory card? Remove the documentation PDFs from the Documents folder, and the bundled media files from the Audio and Video clips folders. If that doesn't do it, you'll need to remove some applcations (or move any personal media to a flash card). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Out of memory for updates on N810
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Christer Eliasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So there is no possibility to mount the internal flashcard as a /home/user on the N810 ? Or even move the /usr to a external flashcard ? Well, you COULD, but it's a stupid idea. Would be a nice hack todo enable though. Since the 256Mb of app storage is quite limited. What you want to do is this: https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Not able to install modest (and other applications) again
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Uwe Kaminski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But i can't browse trough the Nokia system catalogue: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo-1/ Well, you can probably get all the packages you need back by adding http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo/ to your repository list, reinstalling, then removing it again. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Anonymous wiki edits: disable NOW (please)
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Andrew Flegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The spam problem can be solved using a captcha. Well, here we are almost over a month and a half later still with no real solution and still with just a few people fighting the spam. As https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3252 is WONTFIX, I think allowing anonymous edits (at least over http) doesn't really work. We can't track contributions from them AT ALL, and we can't target bans to stop them. We also seem to be getting some malicious vandalism, so a CAPTCHA wont necessarily be a real solution anymore, either (can somebody just install this already? . . .). So, my proposal is to permanently apply the ban on 127.0.0.1, thus banning anonymous edits over http. If some other people who are really attached to these anonymous contributions want to step up and help with the spam, then I'd be less inclined to ban outright, but as-is. . . . ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: browser/browserd combo unpredictable and unreliable behaviour
- Original message - This was meant to be a bug report, but since the bugtracker is following the fate of the repositories (i.e. it's currently borked) here it goes. SOFTWARE VERSION: 4.2008.23-14 The new combo browser/browserd is very unreliable. Things that happened to me so far: 1) Browser apparently hangs or closes due to an internal error. Sometimes killing browserd is enough, sometimes you have to restart it and sometimes a reboot is the annoying only way out. 2) Sometimes when you open a link in a new window and quickly try to switch to the original window (this is necessary since there's no open in background window option), the link will be opened in the original window and the new window remains blank with the url pointing to the old location. 3) Sometimes it is futile to try to select a window in the taskbar since the browser will put in the foreground whatever window it choses (usually the one it has just loaded). None of this happened with chinook. OTHER COMMENTS: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; es-ES; rv:1.9a6pre) Gecko/20080606 Firefox/3.0a1 Tablet browser 0.3.7 RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_4.2008.23-14 Please learn how to file bug reports correctly. Only file ONE report per issue, and please provide some sort of reproducible testcase. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Counting SD ram
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:38 PM, ScottW [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep seeing people saying they have 2 8gig SD chips in their n810, yet I only see a slot for 1. Where does the 2nd one go? That'd be an N800. The N810's internal card is a permanent 2GB. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: How to get Rotation in Advanced Backlight?
- Original message - On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:33 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the rotation function in Advanced Backlight depend on something else being installed? The screenshot shows the setting and the description mentions it, but it doesn't have that option on my N800. Mark I found this: http://sse2.net/rotate/ Is this what's necessary to get the screen rotation function in Advanced Backlight? Use qwerty12's rotation support on itT for Diablo. and, no, a simple statusbar applet does not provides rotation support. You need a patched xserver and kernel, among others things, we simply detect for that and show the options of rotaton-support is installed. Look for a more direct link from the website once qwerty12/jott gets rotation support into Extras/Extras-devel. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Annoying Change in App Manager
Upgrade to Diablo. This is fixed there. . . . On 7/22/08, R. G. Newbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N810 with Chinook. I opened the App Manager and then 'Browse for Installable Applications'. I don't know if I did it or the machine just decided it wanted to, but the divider between the name(s) of the file(s) and the version jumped to the left so that I can now only see 4 characters of the file name. The divider will not drag back to the right. I presume that this is a variable somewhere in the structure. Anyone know where or how to fix this? G. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Dialblo vs. Chinock vs. OS2008
On 7/22/08, tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am befuddled and confused by all of these names. I have OS2008 loaded on my N800, so What is Diablo? What is Chinook? Nokia's codenames are no different from Apple's big cats. Except Nokia uses winds. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flashed Diablo to N810 without holding down the Switch Window button
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Rick Bilonick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. The directions that I followed said to hold the button down but didn't explain that it was optional. No need to make flashing instructions more complicated by furnishing unnecessary information. ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flashed Diablo to N810 without holding down the Switch Window button
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Marius Gedminas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where does luck enter into this? Luck is likely the wrong word, but I have had the tablet miss the flasher at least two times (that I remember) when booting it up not holding down Home with the flasher waiting. I'd understand the need for holding down Home if you swapped steps (1) and (2) in the instructions. Then the device might stop looking for the flasher before you run it. The point is to minimize as much as possible issues of chance and timing. Here's the guaranteed way to do it, follow these steps exactly and you'll be fine. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Flashed Diablo to N810 without holding down the Switch Window button
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Rick Bilonick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I flashed Diablo to my N810 but forgot to hold down the switch window button. But everything appears to work - I can connect to the Internet, install and run apps. Should I re-flash it? What does holding down the switch button do? Holding down the Home/Swap button isn't a required step, it just makes the timing a little easier by forcing the tablet into flashing mode. You can certainly flash without holding it down, you just have to be a little more deft in your execution. It's easier to tell people to just hold down Home/Swap than try to explain the technique without it, or hope they get lucky. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Good stock answers (was Re: N810 Now Resets Very Frequently)
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 4:28 AM, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-15 at 15:45 -0400, ext Ryan Abel wrote: Well, there is a template (not exactly the same, but very similar) being used. It looks like: Ok, I did some sampling of existing bugs but maybe it has been introduced recently (?) It's been in there since 2007 at least, you could probably poke timeless if you really want an exact date. But I'd rather see the guided submission form get some traction moving forward (somebody else will have to come up with the URL, I'm in retard-mode at the moment and can't find it). Karsten has, apparently, been working on this, hopefully we'll see it implemented soon. ;) It's much more helpful overall than a simple template. :-/ Maybe I'm just getting old, but i'm not sensitive to the lures of forms. Free text mode seems to be the most simple and flexible approach. I think you're probably misunderstanding the purpose and execution of the guided form (I _really_ wish I could remember/find the URL). Basically, it's more or less like the current submission form, except with lots of helpful annotations beside each field to help people figure out what sort of information to put in there. The free-form comment field is still available. I don't know if you are based in the US. I am not and usually I get very pissed off at web sites where one has to introduce some data that makes perfectly sense for US customers and for them only. Because the person designing the form cannot possibly address all the cases that useres will want to represent. So i cherish free form text. I hope that if the bug submission is going to be transformed into a form mode, no field will be mandatory and there will still be the option of leaving free form comments. Well, people with canconfirm and editbugs wont see it, they'll still see the existing form. As somebody who triages a lot of bugs, and deals daily with users who don't understand the current submission form, the guided form would definitely make my job easier (which also makes things easier for developers, since I'm a lazy person ;)). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Good stock answers (was Re: N810 Now Resets Very Frequently)
Just taking a moment here to plug maemo-community, as discussions like there really belong over there. So, go subscribe! :D https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 Now Resets Very Frequently
Mark, Have you ever considered following a little of your own advice and ignoring the RTFM replies? A lot of the threads you participate in seem to descend into flamewars. If you had simply ignored Igor's response, then either the user would've followed and read the URL, come back with more information and gotten a useful answer or he would've ignored the URL, and either gotten other questions from somebody else or never gotten an answer at all. Instead, he's greeted with an overly long thread that only has one or two replies that actually pertain to his question. Ask yourself, who has done the most harm here? :) If you can't/won't actually answer the question or ask constructive questions that would help identify the problem, why take the time to be rude? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Good stock answers (was Re: N810 Now Resets Very Frequently)
On Jul 15, 2008, at 3:26 PM, Igor Stoppa wrote: After some random sampling of bugs present in the external bugzilla, I don't see such template being used in the bug creation. Why? Well, there is a template (not exactly the same, but very similar) being used. It looks like: SOFTWARE VERSION: (Control Panel General About product) STEPS TO REPRODUCE THE PROBLEM: EXPECTED OUTCOME: ACTUAL OUTCOME: REPRODUCIBILITY: (always/sometimes/once) EXTRA SOFTWARE INSTALLED: OTHER COMMENTS: But I'd rather see the guided submission form get some traction moving forward (somebody else will have to come up with the URL, I'm in retard-mode at the moment and can't find it). Karsten has, apparently, been working on this, hopefully we'll see it implemented soon. ;) It's much more helpful overall than a simple template.___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: can we use a shell on N810?
On Jul 9, 2008, at 8:28 PM, Matt Emson wrote: Forrest Sheng Bao wrote: Hi dudes, Do we have a shell on N810 like the one on OpenMoko? http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/open-moko-software.media/ om2term.png Yes. The only bad part is how it handles control coded with the pop up keyboard on the N800, but the N810 should be okay. It was fixed in Diablo. . . . https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2392 ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: IRC for OS2008
On Jul 5, 2008, at 5:48 PM, Steve Yelvington wrote: The telepathy and rtcomm upgrades I installed the other day included support for IRC, but all I get when I configure for irc.freenode.net is a network error. Is there some nonobvious trick to setting up IRC? I found Xchat for Maemo, but it's for an older version and won't install. You do realize XChat is available in Diablo Extras, right? ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: AOL, Gtalk, XMPP gateways, other servers
On Jul 4, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Steve Yelvington wrote: Has anybody had success in connecting the built-in XMPP/Gtalk client to AOL/AIM? Supposedly AOL has a test gateway of their own (xmpp.oscar.aol.com): Your other option is to find the Collabora repository on http://www.gronmayer.com/it , add it, then install the accounts-plugin-haze and the telepathy- haze plugin. This will give you support for a variety of protocols with the built-in IM client (rtcomm). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: how to put apps in 'My Selection' tab
On Jul 3, 2008, at 9:15 AM, Jesper Cheetah wrote: On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 03:01:00PM -0400, Ryan Abel wrote: NO! Do not do this. osso-version-rx*4 depends on skype-installer, so removing it will also remove that, and, tada, no more SSU updates. :) I removed that (and gizmo-installer, and a lot of other crud) as one of the first things when I upgraded to diablo. I don't remember whether osso-version-rx*4 got thrown out with the trash, but I do certainly still get the automatic Updates available icon regularly. Maybe I'm just too naiive, in expecting the dependencies to actually make sense? 3rd-party upgrades don't have anything to do with SSU. Nokia hasn't pushed any SSU updates yet, but you wont get them when they do if you've removed osso-software-version-rx*4 (and trust me, it was removed). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: how to put apps in 'My Selection' tab
On Jul 3, 2008, at 11:24 AM, Cedric Cellier wrote: It's how Nokia will push system and 1st-party software upgrades in the future, so uninstalling osso-software-version means you wont get those upgrades.[1] Thank you for this info and link. Any details somewhere about how this is done ? Im not familiar with flashed file systems - I suppose upgrading the kernel for instance is not as simple as copying some files, but apart from that I have no clue. Do you know how such a kernel upgrade should happen in the future, step by step ? The osso-software-version-rx*4 is updated (it'll show up as some sort of System or Feature upgrade in Application manager), and the new version depends on the updated libraries, and applications, so installing it will upgrade your system. Flashing the kernel and initfs is handled by flash-and-reboot, initfs- flasher and kernel-diablo-flasher, which are probably run as part of the postinst or somesuch (I haven't investigated directly), and work basically the same way as fanoush's initfs flasher. But, basically, osso-software-version-rx*4 is updated, the updated kernel is included as a dependency and the kernel gets flashed during the system upgrade. Either way, the better solution is to either install and uninstall Gizmo/Skype/Rhapsody, and that will take care of it, or to remove the .desktop files for Gizmo/Skype/Rhapsody from /usr/share/ applications/hildon. I guess removing the .desktop files would just have removed the icons. I dont know for the OP, but I wanted to remove completely all these files from the n810 precious memory. What a pity we had to pay for these apps ;) As Eero says, they're quite small, so you aren't really losing much space, and deleting their .desktop files ensures you'll never have to see them again. I do agree, though, with the principle of it which is why voting on the appropriate bugs is a good plan. ;) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: how to put apps in 'My Selection' tab
NO! Do not do this. osso-version-rx*4 depends on skype-installer, so removing it will also remove that, and, tada, no more SSU updates. :) Just take the .desktop file out of /usr/share/applications/hildon/ On Jul 2, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: Dennis, I misunderstood you. What you need to do is: apt-get remove skype-installer julius That's what I also did, however, I'd like to blow it out completely. After screwing up and needing to re-flash once, I'm take a bit more care. :) I guess as I learn more about the n810, I'll figure out how to do it and post it. Thanks, Denis On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Julius Szelagiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Denis, thanks for the tip - works like magic. I haven't found a way to delete skype, but I disappeared it by creating a junk category and moving all the unneeded shortcuts there. julius Anyone know how to delete items like Skype? Thanks, Denis On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:50 PM, Cedric Cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -[ Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 04:53:59PM -0400, Julius Szelagiewicz ] Jonathan, Thank you for the lightning fast response. unfortunately I didn't find there whta i was looking for. How do i place osso-xterm in My selection? Or better yet how do i place a shortcut to it on the desktop? Thank you, julius Once in the organize dialog, you can drag and drop applications from the application list to the pannel list. So drag xterm into My selection and you are done. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Can't find repository
On Jun 30, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Mark wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:44 AM, cedric cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -[ Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:42:11AM -0400, Aaron Newcomb ] I know that I installed it with Application manager in Chinook. Isn't it what red pill mode was about ? So does this mean that I can't install it in Diablo??? What's wrong with 'apt-get install' ? What's wrong with expecting Application Manager to manage apps? This is a packaging issue, nothing more. Application manager manages packages in User/, and, personally, I don't believe kernel modules belong there. :) Either way, if you _really_ want to see everything, enable Red Pill mode. Problem solved. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Application Manager - Refresh application list
On Jun 30, 2008, at 2:39 PM, Mark wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Denis Dimick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Refresh application list function of Application Manager invariably stalls before completion, and I have to cancel and try at least 3 times, often more, before it finally successfully completes. I've tried just letting it go to see if it will resume, but it will sit for hours without any change. Does anybody else experience this? Mark If you just let it sit there, it should finally fail and tell you what repository's failed. Or use apt-get update from the command line and see what errors out. HtH, Denis But that's not very graceful, and why should the whole process fail just because of a temporary issue with one repository? It should go ahead and refresh all the others so that updates and installs can proceed. When it's done, it could then say Packages on such-and-such repository could not be accessed or updated because the server didn't respond or some such message so the user knows that not necessarily all available updates have been made. It does this already. . . . I've only had it give up and give me a message a few times. Most of the time it sits there so long that there's really no point in waiting - it's far quicker to just cancel and try again, even several times. Yes, the apt timeout is long and not very smart. See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3208 Going to a terminal kinda defeats the whole purpose of a GUI app manager, especially for a touchscreen device that doesn't have a real keyboard. It also doesn't allow you to select apps from a list - you have to already know what you want. apt-cache search ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Application Manager - Refresh application list
On Jun 30, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Denis Dimick wrote: apt-get upgrade apt-get dist-upgrade Be careful with these, as they're likely to cause a reboot loop if you have the wrong repositories installed (rtcomm beta, mainly, SDK repository in the past). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
