Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: El Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:48:35 +0200 Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So, in which all situations it in your opinion should switch? Always route the alarms to the loudspeakers and route normal audio to the headphones if connected or to the loudspeakers if not? Or make the alarm output configurable (always loudspeakers, always headphones, auto switch) Well, it goes to one place at the time. So, you're proposing that music would switch to loudspeakers when alarm comes and after alarm it would switch back to headphones? That could sound wierd... - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, ext Henrik Frisk wrote: On the other hand, if you are listening to music while the phone is ringing, you will want to turn it off before answering the phone which somewhat eliminates the problem... Device has so called voip-mode implemented by the media-server which AFAIK should take care of that automatically. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, ext Luca Olivetti wrote: El Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:48:35 +0200 Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So, in which all situations it in your opinion should switch? Always route the alarms to the loudspeakers and route normal audio to the headphones if connected or to the loudspeakers if not? Or make the alarm output configurable (always loudspeakers, always headphones, auto switch) Well, it goes to one place at the time. So, you're proposing that music would switch to loudspeakers when alarm comes and after alarm it would switch back to headphones? That could sound wierd... In this case, this is the aspect I'm missing. If I understand you correctly the routing of audio is at system level rather than at application level? IOW switching the audio for one application switches it for all? Anyway, when I started this thread, my intention was to bring forth a problem that I have experienced that could perhaps be addressed in a future hardware (despite the fact that the routing can be software controlled the limitation is apparantly in the hardware) release. Having said that,knowing what I know now, I still think the built in SIP client could have a more sensible logic behind where it's playing its alarm than simply always playing it through the headphones if these are connected. For example, returning to Eero's example and in addition to Luca's suggestion: if there is audio in the headphones at the time of the alarm route the alarm to the headphones, else to the speakers. On the other hand, if you are listening to music while the phone is ringing, you will want to turn it off before answering the phone which somewhat eliminates the problem... /h ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Henrik Frisk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm not sure if this has been discussed before (didn't find anything in the archives), but my apologies if it has. After updating to Diablo, the built in SIP client works even better with my service. This enables me to receive and make calls from my business number wherever I am. The result is I almost only use my mobile for 3G connections. I use the headset that shipped with my N810 which works fine. My only problem is that when plugged in the headset (obviously) shuts down the speakers, with the unwanted side effect that I will not hear ring tones unless I have the headset plug in my ear (this is true whatever the client is (Skype, Gizmo, Ekiga... ). I guess this is hardware controlled, and that there is really no way around it, but what is the situation with a BT headset? Is it different, or is all audio similarily rerouted to the BT headset? Finally, I know the IT where not designed to be used as phones, but now that they are usable as phones, it's a shame that practical issues like this reduces their usability. best Henrik Just after sending the above off I found this in the http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/022127.html: You're mistaken :) The fm radio ui has buttons to toggle between speaker and headphone output. As for the bt headset case, dunno. This suggests it would be possible to reroute the audio of the ring tone to the speaker while the headset is plugged in. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, Eero Tamminen wrote: But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. This is also a problem on the desktop for VoIP applications - ideally you would like to have sound profiles - alarm sounds go both to speakers and headsets, and application sounds only go to the headphones (if they're plugged in). In a typical home office, I listen to music, but if I have to plug in my headphones before answering a VoIP call, it's a pain in the rear. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, ext Henrik Frisk wrote: Just after sending the above off I found this in the http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-users/2008-July/022127.html: You're mistaken :) The fm radio ui has buttons to toggle between speaker and headphone output. As for the bt headset case, dunno. This suggests it would be possible to reroute the audio of the ring tone to the speaker while the headset is plugged in. But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, I'm not sure if this has been discussed before (didn't find anything in the archives), but my apologies if it has. After updating to Diablo, the built in SIP client works even better with my service. This enables me to receive and make calls from my business number wherever I am. The result is I almost only use my mobile for 3G connections. I use the headset that shipped with my N810 which works fine. My only problem is that when plugged in the headset (obviously) shuts down the speakers, with the unwanted side effect that I will not hear ring tones unless I have the headset plug in my ear (this is true whatever the client is (Skype, Gizmo, Ekiga... ). I guess this is hardware controlled, and that there is really no way around it, but what is the situation with a BT headset? Is it different, or is all audio similarily rerouted to the BT headset? Finally, I know the IT where not designed to be used as phones, but now that they are usable as phones, it's a shame that practical issues like this reduces their usability. best Henrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
On 11/27/08, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Eero Tamminen wrote: But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. This is also a problem on the desktop for VoIP applications - ideally you would like to have sound profiles - alarm sounds go both to speakers and headsets, and application sounds only go to the headphones (if they're plugged in). In a typical home office, I listen to music, but if I have to plug in my headphones before answering a VoIP call, it's a pain in the rear. Cheers, Dave. You don't have to use headphones for VOIP - the tablet has a mic as well as speakers. THe swtching is automatic, so it's completely your choice whether to use headphones or not. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
This suggests it would be possible to reroute the audio of the ring tone to the speaker while the headset is plugged in. But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. I would answer your question with another question: Would you remember to unplug the headset after each call? and, at least for me, the answer is No. But obviously the solution should not be another manual switch, but an automatic. What surprised me about the information above was that it *is* possible to programmatically route the audio independent on the hardware attached. /h ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dave Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Eero Tamminen wrote: But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. This is also a problem on the desktop for VoIP applications - ideally you would like to have sound profiles - alarm sounds go both to speakers and headsets, and application sounds only go to the headphones (if they're plugged in). That's true, but the IT is not a desktop computer. In a typical home office, I listen to music, but if I have to plug in my headphones before answering a VoIP call, it's a pain in the rear. I agree. Answering the phone only to ask the caller to hold while (s)he is forced to listen to crackles and pops while I plug in my headset is not a 2008-way of carrying out a phone call. VoIP is however :) /h ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Hi, ext Henrik Frisk wrote: This suggests it would be possible to reroute the audio of the ring tone to the speaker while the headset is plugged in. But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. I would answer your question with another question: Would you remember to unplug the headset after each call? and, at least for me, the answer is No. But obviously the solution should not be another manual switch, but an automatic. So, in which all situations it in your opinion should switch? - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Eero Tamminen wrote: But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. Surely an incoming call should flash the LED or blink the screen or something if the headphones are plugged in? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Luca Olivetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: El Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:48:35 +0200 Eero Tamminen [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: So, in which all situations it in your opinion should switch? Always route the alarms to the loudspeakers and route normal audio to the headphones if connected or to the loudspeakers if not? Or make the alarm output configurable (always loudspeakers, always headphones, auto switch) Something like that is what I would suggest too, but maybe I'm missing something here? /henrik ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
