Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Andrew Daviel wrote: All I need now is a script to do wget and mail ... something like Babelfish would be good - translate this URL except to PDF not German. I don't actually need the Office files on the tablet at all. I could use my desktop machine if I figured out OpenOffice server mode ... I found http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/batch-command-line-file-conversion-with.html and wrote said Babelfish-style converter. If anyone wants to try it, see http://home.daviel.org/cgi-bin/ms2pdf No guarantees it will stay up, and the bandwidth's not great (this is not a production server). I called it MS to PDF but it will also do ODT, SXW etc. to PDF or HTML. I have OpenOffice 2.4 running in headless server mode and pass it documents retrieved with wget. Currently it caches converted documents indefinitely so I'm not bothered if someone hits reload a few times. Point taken about wanting to work on documents offline, but what I wanted was to check out the slides at a conference to see what stream I wanted to attend, or follow links in the presentation in real time. -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Thu, 1 May 2008, Giacomo Tufano wrote: Try to send an Office attach to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it SHOULD answer with a pdf of the attach. If it works, I could try to find in Sun if the service is really public and, therefore, if it can be used by anyone. Just make of know if it works for you. Hth, gt Cool! I guess it is public .. it says This service courtesy of?Sun Microsystems, the leader in open source and networked systems. Powered by?StarOffice?Server and Java Mail. I sent a 1-page Word doc and a 26-slide powerpoint with embedded photos. The PDF from the powerpoint bombed my old Xpdf 2.01 but was OK on the tablet, if a bit slow. All I need now is a script to do wget and mail ... something like Babelfish would be good - translate this URL except to PDF not German. I don't actually need the Office files on the tablet at all. I could use my desktop machine if I figured out OpenOffice server mode ... -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) Network Security Manager ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
Hi, ext Mark wrote: That's fine if all you need to do is view them. I need to be able to edit them. And create new ones from scratch. And in general, manipulate them in exactly the same ways that I would on my desktop. On paper, the eee PC has very little more horsepower, no advantage in storage (because the N800 has two full-sized SD slots instead of the one in the eee PC), and actually has less versatility, because it doesn't have bluetooth or a touch screen and is a lot less portable. And yet, it has a full version of OOo. Besides being somewhat faster (and larger draining battery faster), the base model Eee has 4x more RAM than N8x0 (512MB vs. 128MB). I.e. hardware-wise it's a subnotebook whereas N8x0 is a high-end mobile device. OOo is real a RAM hog, especially with more complex documents. If I had known how little of the potential of the N800 was being realized, I would have opted for the eee PC instead. I actually was hoping to get both, but because of a boatload of unexpected expenses in the last few months can't possibly swing the eee PC now, and probably not for a very long time. - Eero ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
lakestevensdental wrote: Mark wrote: No, we can't! That's the point! Often there is no wireless access in the time and place where the document needs to be *edited* or created, not simply viewed. If there is cell phone access, and your cell phone has internet access, it seems you ought to be able to connect to the net via bluetooth with your internet tablet. Or so I've been led to believe, having not tried it. Perhaps when the tablet wimax option shows up any problems accessing the net will go away. My cell phone has internet access, but it's *VERY* expensive. Not long ago, someone was hit with a $50K cell phone bill, after he used his phone to download some Hi-Def videos. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:15:07PM -0600, Mark Haury wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I'd love to be able to run office apps on my tablet, but might it not just be easier in situations like the above to use vnc or similar to connect to a desktop machine that can run these apps and viewers? Not if the tablet is all you have with you, or a desktop machine with the requisite apps isn't available or connectable via wireless, or you simply *can't* take a larger machine with you, and the list goes on and on. When I bought my tablet, I really was hoping it would be more of a laptop I assume that the tablet has internet connectivity, b/c you mentioned dl'ing the presentations on the fly. In any case, it can almost always be connected through your phone. The other assumption is to leave home or office workstation on, with VNC server (or equivalent) running. Every windows machine (since XP) has remote desktop built-in, so that is also an option. With that running, just have the appropriate ports forwarded on the router to the machine. Perhaps not the ideal solution, but should be implementable (is that a word) for just about anyone. And, in any case, is easier than fooling around with office for the tablet and worrying about its ability to convert a 12meg powerpoint or complex spreadhsheet. K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:15:07PM -0600, Mark Haury wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I'd love to be able to run office apps on my tablet, but might it not just be easier in situations like the above to use vnc or similar to connect to a desktop machine that can run these apps and viewers? Not if the tablet is all you have with you, or a desktop machine with the requisite apps isn't available or connectable via wireless, or you simply *can't* take a larger machine with you, and the list goes on and on. When I bought my tablet, I really was hoping it would be more of a laptop I assume that the tablet has internet connectivity, b/c you mentioned dl'ing the presentations on the fly. That wasn't me. I more often take the files with me, and occasionally copy directly from somebody else's drive (with them present, of course). In any case, it can almost always be connected through your phone. Uh, no, my phone doesn't have bluetooth (or a camera), and at any rate, I don't have a data plan. Can't afford it, don't need it, refuse to pay by the outlandish prices for that access as compared to any other form of Internet access. GSM data, at least in the USA, is not the least bit attractive. You have to pay a monthly premium, plus per-MB charges. Meanwhile, free Wi-Fi is ubiquitous in most metro areas, where the need for urgent Internet access is most likely to occur, and it's way faster than any form of wireless phone network based data access. And no, I don't txt or IM. If I really wanted/needed to, I could send a txt message for ten cents, but it's free (for both me and the recipient) and a whole lot more effective to either voice call or leave a voicemail if something is really urgent. Txt messages always incur charges for anyone who doesn't pay extra for the service, regardless of whether you are sending or receiving. My sister cost me some bucks in a short period before I was able to make it clear to her that even though it wasn't costing her extra (meaning above the extra it was *already* costing her for adding that service above the basic plan), it was costing me just to read her messages. There's no way to txt without it costing you something. I will *never* understand the popularity of txt or IM. The only purpose of texting is for incredibly rude and/or irresponsible people who should have their attention on something else. IM is an extremely poor substitute for a voice call. Either one is *far* less efficient than voice. The other assumption is to leave home or office workstation on, with VNC server (or equivalent) running. Every windows machine (since XP) has remote desktop built-in, so that is also an option. With that running, just have the appropriate ports forwarded on the router to the machine. Harder than it sounds, and a _whole_ lot less reliable. If you take the files with you in the first place, network access is irrelevant. Perhaps not the ideal solution, Definitely not. but should be implementable (is that a word) for just about anyone. Nope. Not even close. And, in any case, is easier than fooling around with office for the tablet and worrying about its ability to convert a 12meg powerpoint or complex spreadhsheet. Wrong again. I have yet to have a recent version of OOo choke on any Word, Excel, or Powerpoint file I've thrown at it, or even screw up the formatting. That makes it - and offline files - by far the most effective solution. Until the entire planet is covered by affordable (or free) broadband wireless access (via satellite?), there is only one ironclad guarantee of getting your work done: Take it with you - both the files and the apps. People who work in the computer, communications, or other high-tech fields easily forget that the overwhelming majority of people don't have even a tiny portion of the network access that they do, especially people who don't have a lot of money. It's not just that they can't afford it; the availability just isn't there. That doesn't mean they don't have computers or work to do. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:22:08PM -0600, Mark wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:15:07PM -0600, Mark Haury wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I'd love to be able to run office apps on my tablet, but might it not just be easier in situations like the above to use vnc or similar to connect to a desktop machine that can run these apps and viewers? Not if the tablet is all you have with you, or a desktop machine with the requisite apps isn't available or connectable via wireless, or you simply *can't* take a larger machine with you, and the list goes on and on. When I bought my tablet, I really was hoping it would be more of a laptop per-MB charges. Meanwhile, free Wi-Fi is ubiquitous in most metro areas, where the need for urgent Internet access is most likely to occur, and it's way faster than any form of wireless phone network Great! then we can assume wireless access, and will snip the rest off snip but should be implementable (is that a word) for just about anyone. Nope. Not even close. Guess I need a better word then. Still. VNC server is basically install, choose a port, and forward that port on the router. That is pretty much a point-and-click procedure. It may take a bit of playing around, but will be nowhere near as difficult as fiddling with beta versions of OO tablet edition. Wrong again. I have yet to have a recent version of OOo choke on any Word, Excel, or Powerpoint file I've thrown at it, or even screw up I am sure that OO (if it were implemented) on a tablet would choke on complex docs. And the main point is that it is not currently on the tablet, so this is an in-the-meantime solution that is not difficult and may actually be useful. But, I came up with a second solution. I think you'll like this one: From the original post, I did not realize you had access to the files ahead of time. If you have that, you can use OO.org to convert to pdf and then use evicne on the tablet to view them. voila! still, not ideal, but I suspect OO tablet edition is quite a ways off. good luck! K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
Well just to remind you that the N770 used to run Abiword and Gnumerics. So you could have Office apps in maemo. The biggest reason why OOo cant be is basically they relly on X as opposed to framebuffer. On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 12:22:08PM -0600, Mark wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 09:15:07PM -0600, Mark Haury wrote: Kevin T. Neely wrote: I'd love to be able to run office apps on my tablet, but might it not just be easier in situations like the above to use vnc or similar to connect to a desktop machine that can run these apps and viewers? Not if the tablet is all you have with you, or a desktop machine with the requisite apps isn't available or connectable via wireless, or you simply *can't* take a larger machine with you, and the list goes on and on. When I bought my tablet, I really was hoping it would be more of a laptop per-MB charges. Meanwhile, free Wi-Fi is ubiquitous in most metro areas, where the need for urgent Internet access is most likely to occur, and it's way faster than any form of wireless phone network Great! then we can assume wireless access, and will snip the rest off snip but should be implementable (is that a word) for just about anyone. Nope. Not even close. Guess I need a better word then. Still. VNC server is basically install, choose a port, and forward that port on the router. That is pretty much a point-and-click procedure. It may take a bit of playing around, but will be nowhere near as difficult as fiddling with beta versions of OO tablet edition. Wrong again. I have yet to have a recent version of OOo choke on any Word, Excel, or Powerpoint file I've thrown at it, or even screw up I am sure that OO (if it were implemented) on a tablet would choke on complex docs. And the main point is that it is not currently on the tablet, so this is an in-the-meantime solution that is not difficult and may actually be useful. But, I came up with a second solution. I think you'll like this one: From the original post, I did not realize you had access to the files ahead of time. If you have that, you can use OO.org to convert to pdf and then use evicne on the tablet to view them. voila! still, not ideal, but I suspect OO tablet edition is quite a ways off. good luck! K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIEjA8E+4TUALb7FERArG2AJ9PYMHbtqpOTDRcQYXYYD1VV6yaXgCfYgGK 7ZU4Sz4ZvOfNlHFqRlYbaEs= =6uW0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Kahlil Johnson Ya tengo GMAIL!! ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
Get a free logmein.com account on one your desktop and leave it on or in a mode that can be awoken from the internet. Then, anywhere in the world you've got internet access, with the tablet browser (or any other computer with a browser), log into logmein.com and access your desktop. Caveate : so long as you've got secure login setup and are in a reasonably secure wifi node, it's a reasonably secure connection. There may be some modest security issues on an open public wifi hot spot populated by the wrong crowd. You can view (and take action on) most any program and file you have on your laptop within your tablet browser. Fine print -- Editing is a modest hassle on the n800. With the n810, or tablet with keyboard, remote editing is easy. There are some modest limits on refresh time and perhaps color depth, as I recall. To be able to easily transfer and print files between a remote and home computer, logmein.com offers a modestly affordable monthly service. Always, Fred C Andrew Daviel wrote: On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Mark wrote: Actually, there *is* an armel port of OpenOffice, I'm just not savvy enough to get it installed. Besides, if a full word processor like Abiword can work, it's not much of a stretch. I don't want to create documents, I just want to view PowerPoint. And maybe Word. And maybe**2 Excel. Not all in one huge app. For when I'm at a multi-stream conference and want to review the slides to figure out which session to attend. Anything that does that ? Come to think of it, I don't need it actually in the tablet. Some service that converted it to PDF online would be great (Google's HTML version of PowerPoint is I guess part of their indexing process and doesn't seem to preserve the layout/graphics particularly well). ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Kevin T. Neely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: per-MB charges. Meanwhile, free Wi-Fi is ubiquitous in most metro areas, where the need for urgent Internet access is most likely to occur, and it's way faster than any form of wireless phone network Great! then we can assume wireless access, and will snip the rest off No, we can't! That's the point! Often there is no wireless access in the time and place where the document needs to be *edited* or created, not simply viewed. If I need to download something, then I can usuall go somewhere else long enough to do that, because whatever prompted the need to do the download was due to either Internet or cell phone access in the first place, which implies a metro area. Most of the time, both the files and apps need to be on the device itself. What does it take to get that point through? but should be implementable (is that a word) for just about anyone. Nope. Not even close. Guess I need a better word then. Still. VNC server is basically install, choose a port, and forward that port on the router. That is pretty much a point-and-click procedure. It may take a bit of playing around, but will be nowhere near as difficult as fiddling with beta versions of OO tablet edition. If I'm at a meeting, and need to work with documents at that meeting, and there's no possibility of Internet access at the meeting location (*usually* the case for me), then *no* network-based application will work. Again, the only bulletproof solution is to have both the apps and the files on the device. Wrong again. I have yet to have a recent version of OOo choke on any Word, Excel, or Powerpoint file I've thrown at it, or even screw up I am sure that OO (if it were implemented) on a tablet would choke on complex docs. And the main point is that it is not currently on the tablet, so this is an in-the-meantime solution that is not difficult and may actually be useful. Not when it's a straight-across port, not a stripped down complete rewrite. And it exists, but I'm not capable of repackaging the armel files to ITOS2008 install debs. But, I came up with a second solution. I think you'll like this one: From the original post, I did not realize you had access to the files ahead of time. If you have that, you can use OO.org to convert to pdf and then use evicne on the tablet to view them. voila! That's fine if all you need to do is view them. I need to be able to edit them. And create new ones from scratch. And in general, manipulate them in exactly the same ways that I would on my desktop. On paper, the eee PC has very little more horsepower, no advantage in storage (because the N800 has two full-sized SD slots instead of the one in the eee PC), and actually has less versatility, because it doesn't have bluetooth or a touch screen and is a lot less portable. And yet, it has a full version of OOo. If I had known how little of the potential of the N800 was being realized, I would have opted for the eee PC instead. I actually was hoping to get both, but because of a boatload of unexpected expenses in the last few months can't possibly swing the eee PC now, and probably not for a very long time. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
Mark wrote: No, we can't! That's the point! Often there is no wireless access in the time and place where the document needs to be *edited* or created, not simply viewed. If there is cell phone access, and your cell phone has internet access, it seems you ought to be able to connect to the net via bluetooth with your internet tablet. Or so I've been led to believe, having not tried it. Perhaps when the tablet wimax option shows up any problems accessing the net will go away. With internet access of some sort, you can access your desktop with your tablet via something like logmein.com's free service. (You'll need to set up a free account at home on your desktop and leave your desktop on so you can access it remotely). With logmein, you can open and manipulate (aka edit) most any file on your desktop remotely from anywhere in the world you've got internet access. To be able to print and share files easily between tablet and desktop, logmein offers a modestly priced monthly service which many find useful. A couple caveat's are security at public wifi hot spots might be marginal. Also, it's somewhat clumsy typing things on the n800 without an external keyboard of some sort. Should be no problem on the n810. Finally, there are modest limits on screen transfer speed and perhaps color depth. (aka, don't expect to play games remotely)... FYI, this works well enough for me to access the appointment book, patient files and xrays remotely to deal with emergency calls. Access takes around a minute or so. My bookkeeper uses logmein via her home computer to connect at work to do a lot of her bookkeeping and payroll stuff. It's kind of wierd to see the screen on her computer at the office balancing the check book, writing checks and what not without anyone at the work station. Also, this means you can use a linux based tablet to run and edit Windows files with ease... If you absolutely need to edit files locally without wifi, and want pretty decent compact portable computing power perhaps you ought to get yourself a eee pc (4G or larger). The 9 sceen is coming soon, 7 units with webcam are nice. (same size profile for both). It comes with full OpenOffice and keyboard on Xandros or Ubuntu linux's and an option to load XP. Plus if you've got wifi, it's got video Skype and/or perhaps Gizmo Project. It's also got video out that could feed a computer screen/projector. On the downside, the eee pc is a bit too large for a pocket like the tablets. It's about 1/3 the size of the average laptop -- fits in a small purse, briefcase, or bun pack just fine. Just don't expect it to operate as a wifi phone sitting in your pocket like the tablets, listen to Mp3s sitting in your pocket, no bluetooth without a USB dongle, nor can you easily sit and poke around files on an eee pc without a table like you can with the tablet. Battery life isn't anywhere near as good as the tablets. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Wed, 19 Mar 2008, Mark wrote: Actually, there *is* an armel port of OpenOffice, I'm just not savvy enough to get it installed. Besides, if a full word processor like Abiword can work, it's not much of a stretch. I don't want to create documents, I just want to view PowerPoint. And maybe Word. And maybe**2 Excel. Not all in one huge app. For when I'm at a multi-stream conference and want to review the slides to figure out which session to attend. Anything that does that ? Come to think of it, I don't need it actually in the tablet. Some service that converted it to PDF online would be great (Google's HTML version of PowerPoint is I guess part of their indexing process and doesn't seem to preserve the layout/graphics particularly well). -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 05:15:38PM -0700, Andrew Daviel wrote: I don't want to create documents, I just want to view PowerPoint. And maybe Word. And maybe**2 Excel. Not all in one huge app. For when I'm at I'd love to be able to run office apps on my tablet, but might it not just be easier in situations like the above to use vnc or similar to connect to a desktop machine that can run these apps and viewers? K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OpenOffice (was Bluetooth keyboard?)
Kevin T. Neely wrote: On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 05:15:38PM -0700, Andrew Daviel wrote: I don't want to create documents, I just want to view PowerPoint. And maybe Word. And maybe**2 Excel. Not all in one huge app. For when I'm at I'd love to be able to run office apps on my tablet, but might it not just be easier in situations like the above to use vnc or similar to connect to a desktop machine that can run these apps and viewers? K Not if the tablet is all you have with you, or a desktop machine with the requisite apps isn't available or connectable via wireless, or you simply *can't* take a larger machine with you, and the list goes on and on. When I bought my tablet, I really was hoping it would be more of a laptop replacement than it is turning out to be. After all, it's more powerful than my previous desktop, and it did all that stuff. With my SDHC cards installed, the tablet even has almost as much storage. Mark ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
