IMAP clients (was: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?)
On Fri Jan 19 17:05:34 2007, Jonathan Greene wrote: what client are you using for imap? I use Telomer, which is written in Python by someone obviously exceedingly intelligent and highly involved in the latest developments in IMAP on mobile devices. And probably dashingly good-looking, yet humble and modest, too. *sigh* Okay, I wrote it. It's probably not yet suitable for real mention on this list, since it's still in fairly early days, but I manage to use it to read, reply to, and forward my email. If you want reasonable, desktop-like email, you'd be best off with Sylpheed. If you really like the bleeding edge, and find random crashes and suchlike an endless source of amusement, then Telomer's perfect for you. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: IMAP clients (was: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?)
Thanks I will have to check it out.Anyone using the 770 is used to random crashes ... On 1/19/07, Dave Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Jan 19 17:05:34 2007, Jonathan Greene wrote: what client are you using for imap? I use Telomer, which is written in Python by someone obviously exceedingly intelligent and highly involved in the latest developments in IMAP on mobile devices. And probably dashingly good-looking, yet humble and modest, too. *sigh* Okay, I wrote it. It's probably not yet suitable for real mention on this list, since it's still in fairly early days, but I manage to use it to read, reply to, and forward my email. If you want reasonable, desktop-like email, you'd be best off with Sylpheed. If you really like the bleeding edge, and find random crashes and suchlike an endless source of amusement, then Telomer's perfect for you. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: IMAP clients (was: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?)
I'll have a bash too if you want some testers. I have a N800. Cheers On 1/19/07, Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks I will have to check it out.Anyone using the 770 is used to random crashes ... On 1/19/07, Dave Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri Jan 19 17:05:34 2007, Jonathan Greene wrote: what client are you using for imap? I use Telomer, which is written in Python by someone obviously exceedingly intelligent and highly involved in the latest developments in IMAP on mobile devices. And probably dashingly good-looking, yet humble and modest, too. *sigh* Okay, I wrote it. It's probably not yet suitable for real mention on this list, since it's still in fairly early days, but I manage to use it to read, reply to, and forward my email. If you want reasonable, desktop-like email, you'd be best off with Sylpheed. If you really like the bleeding edge, and find random crashes and suchlike an endless source of amusement, then Telomer's perfect for you. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Nick Loeve www.trickie.org ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 15:41 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:31 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit : Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). [snip] What about daemons/libraries that you might have installed and affect the runtime? Yes, canola runs a webserver daemon. This short autonomy problem has been present before I installed canola :) Anyway, I'll reflash my device and do more tests. Steps i used: -flash new sw -verify that rd mode is off -verify that neither bluetooth nor wlan connections are active -close the cover -display set to default (half) brightness -battery fully charged (a 1300 mAh one) -close cover and let rest check once or twice (literally, not more than 2 times) per day that it's still alive due to variations in the components i might just have been lucky and measured 9 days, but the official statement says 7, iirc I stand corrected and I apologize for my previous statement. I just finished my tests, using your test scenario : -I reflashed my 770 with last firmware -I fully charged my 770 Thursday 01/11/2007 -I checked it two time per day (7h00 and 21h00) -I ran out of battery between Friday 01/19/2007 7h00 and 21h00 So, it lasts 8 days. I'll restore my previous backups (without the apps) and try to spot which apps is eating battery so much (and I'll uninstall canola before testing ;) I guess one thing missing for outside developers (ie not Nokia one) is an easy way to monitor their programs for power usage, specially when device is supposed to be idle. Maybe qemu could be used to detect when device is supposed to be idle and programs are still doing too much thing on cpu.. One question regarding your test : you asked to check wlan (or bluetooth) wasn't active. Unless I'm mistaken, by default, when cover is closed, wlan is dropped, so it should not be a problem in the test scenario above (except if user specifically ask for it not being dropped when closing cover, which is possible with IT 2006) ? PS : sorry, I first send this mail only to you by error, not the list :( -- Frédéric Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Marius Gedminas wrote: Even the cover is sometimes inconvenient. I wish I could press the power button and get the screen to blank immediatelly. That's what the Palms used to do. Power + lock screen doesn't do what I want -- it dims the screen but doesn't blank it. Oh, you can, check /etc/systemui/systemui.xml and uncomment 'Soft poweroff'. There is also nice 'Reboot' option, useful if you regulary reboot to different rootfs with boot menu. Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:32:54PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And to attempt to defend the concept of Always ON, think about the general populace - tech savvy enough to use VoIP, but not geek enough to understand/care about what goes into making it work. They would not understand why they can't receive their VoIP calls on Gtalk, Skype, etc. _all_ the time. After all it works on PCs. Always ON is great for geeks too -- often when somebody asks some question about the contents of the filesystem on the 770, I try to ssh into it to take a look. Having to pull it out of the pocket, slide the cover off, and click three times to get online is annoying. On the other hand I am not willing to trade battery life of 24 hours of casual use for always on. Marius Gedminas -- Inform all the troops that communications have completely broken down. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:15:56PM +0100, Simon Budig wrote: Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snipped helpful description of power saving] Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available on 770. :-D The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_ rather than timed screen blanking. I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. You put the finger on it. Even the cover is sometimes inconvenient. I wish I could press the power button and get the screen to blank immediatelly. That's what the Palms used to do. Power + lock screen doesn't do what I want -- it dims the screen but doesn't blank it. Marius Gedminas -- One could envision a different approach to persistence (hands wave and magical stardust appears overhead to percussive indian string music) where objects in the database were proxied rather than deriving from a common base class. -- Casey Duncan signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: Hello! the apps you have installed are buggy and generate activity and i mean any type of activity, 1% CPU load is still too much: if the app is idle, it must have 0% CPU activity What does that exactly mean (especially for non GTK-based applications like mine that cannot expect some GTK magic)? First of all my deepest and most sincere thanks for this question. So maybe for once it won't look like i just rant against application developers. Say for example I have an editor with has a blinking cursor. The GUI library internally uses select with a timer as main event loop. Does above statement mean, that my application is still running and select still lopping and timer can run out and the cursor still blinks while I put the cover on the device? Let's take the editor example and see it throughthe whole sw stack. *First of all the timer you are using from userspace is mapped to a queue in the kernel, which in turns uses a hw timer. *The kernel has _NON_ periodic system tick timer, meaning that system ticks are skipped when there is no activity scheduled. (So that means that if nothing perturbs the state of the system, it won't wake up, even if the cover is not present and you are looking at a static image of the text in your editor. As a matter of fact it does wake up every now and then, but the number of times can be approximated with 0, when compared to a system where there is a interrupt every tick.) *select will be (hopefully) implemented in a sane way that doesn't busy loop, but rather relies again on asynchronous events (notification from the kernel that the timer has expired) and therefore the library code shouldn't generate unnecessary activity. *finally the editor application: personally i consider blinking cursors to be evil, however putting aside personal feelings, in general it makes sense to do screen updates only when they are visible. So if the cover is on, what good is to update the blinking cursor? Same applies to cover off (open) but screen blanked. Again nobody will enjoy your nice blinking effect but that will cause the processor to periodically wake up. Certainly not for long, but if I may quote Depeche Mode, Everything Counts in a Large Amount I always assumed that it goes in some kind of hibernate mode where machine state is (nearly) completely frozen, Yes and no: -yes because it does go to hw specific power saving states -no because it is transparent to sw (well, most of it and certainly user space stuff) and if the sw doesn't keep quiet, the power saving state won't be reached. (Actually there are significant differencies between omap1710 and omap2420, with the latter having finer granularity of what hw blocks can sleep and how.) but your statement sounds like it just switches of some stuff of while CPU is still running? I consider the OFF button on your everyday PDA just smoke in the eyes. Many people have compleined for the absence of a hybernate functionality. They have not understood that we are already doing it dynamically. All the time, at _runtime_, not just when the user presses the OFF button. Of course it takes more effort, but that's the way to go, since modern mobile processors would have ridiculous use-times if they were running constantly at full power. Or the size of the battery would become incredibly large. How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till you become again king of the hill Do I need to catch DBus events to get informed that I have to go in some application specific low power mode? Yes, screen blanked should be enough. Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available on 770. :-D The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_ rather than timed screen blanking. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Igor Stoppa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snipped helpful description of power saving] Also because N800 doesn't have a cover, but certainly that doesn't prevent us to do the very same power saving that was already available on 770. :-D The cover would just be the cause for an _immediate_ rather than timed screen blanking. I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays lighted for a while - wasn't there something else you wanted to use me for?, it still demands a certain amount of attention. Then it switches the light off at some point - if it is lying around in your vincinity this is another visible intrusion that you'll notice even from the corner of your eyes. Plus it - at least the prototype I've seen - keeps blinking the blue LED in the cursor pad. Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. Active Network connection? not really switched off? I am aware that BluetoothWlan power management is very good and that it probably is not that relevant for power management to explicitely kill all connections when putting the cover on the device. However it sometimes is convenient to have the Wlan and Bluetooth connections cut off when you explicitely put the cover on the 770. Putting the cover on the 770 then gives the reassuring feeling of nobody can mess with it remotely, there certainly is no pending stuff running there. I guess the only option to do this on the N800 is the flight mode, which of course requires actively reenabling this stuff when you want to use it again. Certainly not as smoothely integrated with the workflow as with the 770. At least these are my thoughts regarding the cover issue - it is a psychological thing and I am a bit sad that Nokia apparently abandoned this concept. Bye, Simon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://simon.budig.de/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Simon Budig Sent: 10 January, 2007 13:16 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking? I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays lighted for a while - wasn't there something else you wanted to use me for?, it still demands a certain amount of attention. Then it switches the light off at some point - if it is lying around in your vincinity this is another visible intrusion that you'll notice even from the corner of your eyes. Plus it - at least the prototype I've seen - keeps blinking the blue LED in the cursor pad. Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. Active Network connection? not really switched off? I am afraid that _IS_ the product concept of ALWAYS ON. Of course you don't have to be always ON, but it requires changing the default settings. Do the following: In Connection Manager - Tools - Connectivity Settings - General: - Connect automatically: WLAN connections - Search interval: Never Idle times tab: - WLAN idle time: 5 minutes This will ensure that for known APs you are connected automatically and when you are idle, it is automatically disconnected. Also, by setting search interval to NEVER, you ensure that WLAN isn't trying to look for known APs all the time. In Display Settings, uncheck Show LED lights to turn off the blinking LEDs (I can feel the eyes of marketing and product concepting people boring a hole into my back.) Regards, Amit ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
RE: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Simon Budig Sent: 10 January, 2007 13:16 To: maemo-users@maemo.org Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking? I believe Nokia is missing a psychological factor here. Putting the cover on the 770 allows the user to forget about it. He finished using it and it is kind of stored away safely, it won't distract him. The N800 has no equivalent. When you stop using it, its screen stays lighted for a while - wasn't there something else you wanted to use me for?, it still demands a certain amount of attention. Then it switches the light off at some point - if it is lying around in your vincinity this is another visible intrusion that you'll notice even from the corner of your eyes. Plus it - at least the prototype I've seen - keeps blinking the blue LED in the cursor pad. Not sure what this is supposed to indicate. Active Network connection? not really switched off? I am afraid that _IS_ the product concept of ALWAYS ON. Of course you don't have to be always ON, but it requires changing the default settings. Do the following: And to attempt to defend the concept of Always ON, think about the general populace - tech savvy enough to use VoIP, but not geek enough to understand/care about what goes into making it work. They would not understand why they can't receive their VoIP calls on Gtalk, Skype, etc. _all_ the time. After all it works on PCs. /Amit ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till you become again king of the hill Thanks Igor for nice explanation, what about using threads? For n770 some time ago people said that using threads (linuxthreads) caused some unneeded cpu activity caused by the library itself. Is it still the case? Are there any other similar gotchas present in the SW stack (glibc/X/gtk)? Frantisek ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:51 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote: Igor Stoppa wrote: Hi Tim! On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 19:07 +0100, ext Tim Teulings wrote: How can I work around this? *Don't do unnecessary stuff *Don't poll *Don't busyloop *Check system state (by listening for events, again, never poll) *Keep updates at minimum *Do updates only if your application is visible, otherwise completely stop updating the UI till you become again king of the hill Thanks Igor for nice explanation, what about using threads? For n770 some time ago people said that using threads (linuxthreads) caused some unneeded cpu activity caused by the library itself. Is it still the case? Are there any other similar gotchas present in the SW stack (glibc/X/gtk)? Yes, I remember that, but probably Eero has a much better answer already available, so i'll let him the honour. I tend to prefer the thread approach but for coding and reliability reasons, but that's probably personal taste. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Hi, On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 08:28 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi again, Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? Maybe the BlueTooth? Anything else I should check / look for? Thanks! As Amit wrote, when you move to 3rd party applications it's very likely that one of those is buggy and does not behave properly (i.e. drains the battery while doing nothing). Unfortuantely that sort of bug is harder to spot. The official supported time, iirc, is 7 days in the operating conditions you described. However I usually measured 9. With stock image. You should first asses that. Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). rotfl that's exactly what i meant: oh, i have only this little harmless innocent application Either -A the apps you have installed are buggy and generate activity and i mean any type of activity, 1% CPU load is still too much: if the app is idle, it must have 0% CPU activity or -B the apps are doing thir job, which doesn't come for free and therefore the runtime time is reduced When I say 9 days, it is with stock image and no app running, that's how the idle time has to be measured. Otherwise we speak in terms of usetime and that can vary from several days to few hours, depending on the system load, peripherals used and bugs in the sw stack. We spend lot of time squashing power consumption bugs, but unfortunately at the moment it's not possible to go also after 3rd party sw. However we have published our internal coding guidelines, which cover also power management. When an application is ported to maemo, attention should be payed to bugs which are not functional but affect use time. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). [snip] What about daemons/libraries that you might have installed and affect the runtime? -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). [snip] What about daemons/libraries that you might have installed and affect the runtime? Yes, canola runs a webserver daemon. -- Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga Programmer-Archaeologist University of Puerto Rico http://www.hpcf.upr.edu/~humberto/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 08:58 -0400, Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga a écrit : Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 14:36 +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 13:19 +0100, ext Frederic Crozat wrote: Le mardi 09 janvier 2007 à 13:50 +0200, Igor Stoppa a écrit : Guys, I have no idea how you are able to get 7 to 9 days with a N770 : mine is only able to last about 4 days maximum (and it has always been like that), only boot up and with cover on it, doing nothing. I only have terminal (not opened) and canola (not running). [snip] What about daemons/libraries that you might have installed and affect the runtime? Yes, canola runs a webserver daemon. This short autonomy problem has been present before I installed canola :) Anyway, I'll reflash my device and do more tests. -- Frederic Crozat [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Hello! the apps you have installed are buggy and generate activity and i mean any type of activity, 1% CPU load is still too much: if the app is idle, it must have 0% CPU activity What does that exactly mean (especially for non GTK-based applications like mine that cannot expect some GTK magic)? Say for example I have an editor with has a blinking cursor. The GUI library internally uses select with a timer as main event loop. Does above statement mean, that my application is still running and select still lopping and timer can run out and the cursor still blinks while I put the cover on the device? I always assumed that it goes in some kind of hibernate mode where machine state is (nearly) completely frozen, but your statement sounds like it just switches of some stuff of while CPU is still running? How can I work around this? Do I need to catch DBus events to get informed that I have to go in some application specific low power mode? -- Gruß... Tim. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:38 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: Thanks Igor, I also thoght somewhere along those lines, but - is there a way to prevent it? Is there a way to lock the power button? No, in the end there has to be a way to wake up the device. It's a feature of the electrical design. You are allowed to not be happy about size and placement of the power button, but that's it. I am pretty sure it's not in RD mode - how do I make sure? with the flasher tool you can forcefully disable it, just in case, but you would get plenty of diagnostic info if it was in rd mode. Hope this helps. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Battery Benchmarking?
Hi again, Might it be due to the dropbear deamon? Maybe the BlueTooth? Anything else I should check / look for? Thanks! On 1/8/07, Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 16:38 +0200, ext Amichai Rotman wrote: Thanks Igor, I also thoght somewhere along those lines, but - is there a way to prevent it? Is there a way to lock the power button? No, in the end there has to be a way to wake up the device. It's a feature of the electrical design. You are allowed to not be happy about size and placement of the power button, but that's it. I am pretty sure it's not in RD mode - how do I make sure? with the flasher tool you can forcefully disable it, just in case, but you would get plenty of diagnostic info if it was in rd mode. Hope this helps. -- Cheers, Igor Igor Stoppa [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nokia M - OSSO /Helsinki Finland) -- ::. Amichai Rotman UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/] PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -- Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM, learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm --- ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
