N800/OS2008-Diablo and Bluetooth Headsets
All, I have gotten my GN/Jabra5020 bluetooth headset to pair successfully with my N800 running OS2008-Diablo and it works with the Internet radio app (mplayer?). However it does not seem to be useable with the FM radio on the N800.And in fact, if I plug in the headphones to the Headphone jack of the N800 even while the FM radio is off, it disables the bluetooth headset but does not cause the bluetooth connection to be disconnected. Does anyone know of a solution to this problem that would allow the use of a bluetooth headset with the FM radio? -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800/OS2008-Diablo and Bluetooth Headsets
John, you need the heaphones plugged in, since the wire is used as the antenna. If i'm not mistaken, plugging the headphones in disables any other sound output - very simple electrical disconnect. julius On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, John Holmblad wrote: All, I have gotten my GN/Jabra5020 bluetooth headset to pair successfully with my N800 running OS2008-Diablo and it works with the Internet radio app (mplayer?). However it does not seem to be useable with the FM radio on the N800.And in fact, if I plug in the headphones to the Headphone jack of the N800 even while the FM radio is off, it disables the bluetooth headset but does not cause the bluetooth connection to be disconnected. Does anyone know of a solution to this problem that would allow the use of a bluetooth headset with the FM radio? -- Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800/OS2008-Diablo and Bluetooth Headsets
Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: you need the heaphones plugged in, since the wire is used as the antenna. If i'm not mistaken, plugging the headphones in disables any other sound output - very simple electrical disconnect. You're mistaken :) The fm radio ui has buttons to toggle between speaker and headphone output. As for the bt headset case, dunno. On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, John Holmblad wrote: I have gotten my GN/Jabra5020 bluetooth headset to pair successfully with my N800 running OS2008-Diablo and it works with the Internet radio app (mplayer?). However it does not seem to be useable with the FM radio on the N800.And in fact, if I plug in the headphones to the Headphone jack of the N800 even while the FM radio is off, it disables the bluetooth headset but does not cause the bluetooth connection to be disconnected. Does anyone know of a solution to this problem that would allow the use of a bluetooth headset with the FM radio? 't. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800/OS2008-Diablo and Bluetooth Headsets
Tukka, and as far as I have been able to determine, there is no third position for the toggle (i.e. connect the radio output to the processor so it can be handed off to the bluetooth headset). Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * Tuukka Tolvanen wrote: Julius Szelagiewicz wrote: you need the heaphones plugged in, since the wire is used as the antenna. If i'm not mistaken, plugging the headphones in disables any other sound output - very simple electrical disconnect. You're mistaken :) The fm radio ui has buttons to toggle between speaker and headphone output. As for the bt headset case, dunno. On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, John Holmblad wrote: I have gotten my GN/Jabra5020 bluetooth headset to pair successfully with my N800 running OS2008-Diablo and it works with the Internet radio app (mplayer?). However it does not seem to be useable with the FM radio on the N800.And in fact, if I plug in the headphones to the Headphone jack of the N800 even while the FM radio is off, it disables the bluetooth headset but does not cause the bluetooth connection to be disconnected. Does anyone know of a solution to this problem that would allow the use of a bluetooth headset with the FM radio? 't. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: bluetooth headsets
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:11:48AM -0500, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote: Will the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Yes. Can it redirect all audio in/out to a bluetooth headset? It can and it does when the headset is active. Can skype on the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Yes, I have used skype with my N810 to conduct skype calls. Is A2DP supported? No idea. E -- Erik Hovland mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://hovland.org/ PGP/GPG public key available on request ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Will the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Can it redirect all audio in/out to a bluetooth headset? Can skype on the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Is A2DP supported? Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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The n800 with OS2008 works well with most every single ear/mic bluetooth headset I've used. Pairs with USB blue tooth dongles for laptops that are now running less than $10 a unit. Connects with bluetooth phones easily for pushing files to your phone. It's supposedly the same in the n810 -- same OS. All the audio goes thru to the bluetooth headset when they are paired. You can walk around most of the house without losing bluetooth connection between your earpiece and tablet. Fine print -- I don't know about stereo bluetooth headsets playing stereo or audio quality of the stereo signal, if it's in stereo... Also, if you've got a lot of bluetooth devices in the house that you've connected to, they all can show up on your bluetooth neighborhood if they are active. * I'm not sure what the tablet's power comsumption issues having a robust bluetooth neighborhood might be. It seems it could be significant... * I also noted that my laptop with a bluetooth dongle was picked up by my n800 and, after pairing up, using the file manager on my n800, I was able to move files around on my wife's laptop thru the house wireless LAN thru the bluetooth to my laptop which is on the house wireless LAN. I also grabbed some mp3s and moved them to my tablet. It wasn't a real fast transfer, but workable. * If my son is using his bluetooth headset with his laptop dongle, I can also connect to his laptop in his bedroom thru bluetooth if he returns the pairing code. * Supposedly, I might be able to pair with his headset in his bedroom if its not already paired with his laptop dongle and is put into discovery mode and I grab it before he pairs with it on his laptop. * I can pick up his cell phone's bluetooth if it's on, ditto for my cell phone. You can transfer files between the tablet and phone and phone's micro SD card via bluetooth. Works to put mp3s on the phone to make it an MP3 player. I'm not sure about audio bluetooth hookup with the phone -- I've not gone there. We don't have data services enabled, so I've not gone there... I recall when connecting my phone to my laptop via bluetooth, there may have been icons for audio in the phone's bluetooth list. Again, I'm not sure of the tablet's power comsumption for all this bluetooth activity. Could be high with so much bluetooth stuff going on... Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote: Will the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Can it redirect all audio in/out to a bluetooth headset? Can skype on the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Is A2DP supported? Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users -- Always, Dr Fred C [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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On Feb 6, 2008 5:25 PM, Erik Hovland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:11:48AM -0500, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote: Will the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Yes. Can it redirect all audio in/out to a bluetooth headset? It can and it does when the headset is active. But sound will be crappy because A2DP is not supported officially yet. Can skype on the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Yes, I have used skype with my N810 to conduct skype calls. Is A2DP supported? No idea. Not yet officially. It is available but disabled and you need to play with mplayer if you want to get it working (somehow). -- Frederic Crozat ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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DrFredC Thanks for sharing that. It reminds me of why I should want to upgrade to OS2008. The bluetooth lives to pair nature of the N800/N810 w OS2008 reminds me of the work that Joshua Wright of Aruba Networks has done to investigate and document some of the security weaknesses of the protocol and its implementations. Here is the url to the www page for a video where he discusses this and serves as..wellthe man in the middle: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/how-to-eavesdrop-on-bluetooth-headsets-328664.php Hey wait a minute isn't that perp using a Nokia Internet Tablet to commit his nefarious act? Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks, LLC * * *Serving the entrepreneurial enterprise, emerging network service provider, and SmartDigital^TM home markets* * * *GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GAWN, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM*** *Microsoft Small Business Specialist | Speakeasy Certified VOIP Partner | Linksys Authorized LVS Partner | Qualys Certified Qualysguard Specialist* * * (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 (W) www.acadiasecure.com primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DrFredC.com wrote: The n800 with OS2008 works well with most every single ear/mic bluetooth headset I've used. Pairs with USB blue tooth dongles for laptops that are now running less than $10 a unit. Connects with bluetooth phones easily for pushing files to your phone. It's supposedly the same in the n810 -- same OS. All the audio goes thru to the bluetooth headset when they are paired. You can walk around most of the house without losing bluetooth connection between your earpiece and tablet. Fine print -- I don't know about stereo bluetooth headsets playing stereo or audio quality of the stereo signal, if it's in stereo... Also, if you've got a lot of bluetooth devices in the house that you've connected to, they all can show up on your bluetooth neighborhood if they are active. * I'm not sure what the tablet's power comsumption issues having a robust bluetooth neighborhood might be. It seems it could be significant... * I also noted that my laptop with a bluetooth dongle was picked up by my n800 and, after pairing up, using the file manager on my n800, I was able to move files around on my wife's laptop thru the house wireless LAN thru the bluetooth to my laptop which is on the house wireless LAN. I also grabbed some mp3s and moved them to my tablet. It wasn't a real fast transfer, but workable. * If my son is using his bluetooth headset with his laptop dongle, I can also connect to his laptop in his bedroom thru bluetooth if he returns the pairing code. * Supposedly, I might be able to pair with his headset in his bedroom if its not already paired with his laptop dongle and is put into discovery mode and I grab it before he pairs with it on his laptop. * I can pick up his cell phone's bluetooth if it's on, ditto for my cell phone. You can transfer files between the tablet and phone and phone's micro SD card via bluetooth. Works to put mp3s on the phone to make it an MP3 player. I'm not sure about audio bluetooth hookup with the phone -- I've not gone there. We don't have data services enabled, so I've not gone there... I recall when connecting my phone to my laptop via bluetooth, there may have been icons for audio in the phone's bluetooth list. Again, I'm not sure of the tablet's power comsumption for all this bluetooth activity. Could be high with so much bluetooth stuff going on... Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote: Will the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Can it redirect all audio in/out to a bluetooth headset? Can skype on the N810 work with a bluetooth headset? Is A2DP supported? Jeff (http://www.ece.purdue.edu/~qobi) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: bluetooth headsets
On Wed, Feb 06, 2008 at 11:11:48AM -0500, Jeffrey Mark Siskind wrote: Is A2DP supported? IIRC, there was a relatively involved post to this list regarding the hack to make the tablet talk A2DP, check the archives. I suspect that before the year is out, we'll have relatively simple to use A2DP for the tablet. The state of support now reminds me of the support for bluetooth keyboards about two years ago. hope that helps, K -- In Vino Veritas http://astroturfgarden.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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fwiw bluez-utils 3.25 has the best sbc codec performance yet on the omap processor. Cidorvan Leite has been combing over generated code and working in reorganization assembly to make it hum along much better. :) there's still integration to be done with maemo of course. When it's all done, we should be able to do hardware audio mixing and then compress and transmit the resulting stream. It would be mostly transparent to the audio apps. Brad ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Toshiba was able to cram multiple forms of cellular into their toughbook series...all mini-pci I think. There was a new ultra-rugged military-grade umpc recently announced (hi-vol sales only...$5K!!!) that had multiple forms of radios. What happened to those software-programmable radios man? So folks...when the OpenMoko linux phone (large touchscreen display...I think)...is released...will they sell well? I think so. Form factor is so close to N800...and so many parts redundant (speaker, mic, bt, etc, etc.)... Well folks...time for me to end thread...I've ridden this horse long enough and need to get off... thanks all... mike Neil MacLeod wrote: Mike Klein wrote: I'm in the no built-in cellular camp - for me, this was a smart move as I can use the N800 with whatever phone I have now (GSM/GPRS) and with whatever phone I get with my next upgrade (almost certainly a GSM/HSDPA phone). Nokia probably took a look at the data plans offered by most network providers around the world, saw things were bad (ie. charging the Earth per megabyte with all sorts of usage restrictions - no voip etc. - and transfer caps) and decided the World simply isn't ready for mass consumer internet on the move over mobile networks. In which case, why bother complicating the N800 with this potentially unnecessary hardware? And aside from business users, few people will have data-only SIMs when they can just as easily use their mobile phone over Bluetooth. Also, by adding cellular hardware the Internet Tablet suddenly becomes regionalised - CDMA for USA/Korea, GSM for the rest of the world, not to mention all the HDSPA/EDGE/EVDO/Whatever high-speed variants. Different hardware and possibly different firmware for each region - nice! Summary: No phone hardware == Master stroke :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 01:05 -0500, Mike Lococo wrote: The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. No argument here - It seems like the exclusion was conscious, but I can't figure out why. It's being actively worked on. The reason for the delay is, I believe, the work required to get things running in the bluetooth driver within in the linux kernel. Not that any of this excuses how long it's taken, but the request isn't being ignored. Here are the tickets for bluetooth headsets: Current: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=474 Old: https://maemo.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=668 Laurent http://guerby.org/blog/ ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
I do not intend this as a flame, but you chose the wrong device. You want a laptop/tablet PC and you'll have to pay for it in both size and cost. Just putting together a package like the N800.770 is is a feat. Look at UMPCs and see what you can find, but I'd challenge you to find one that will do what you want for twice the price of the N800. On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices. sean Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't perhaps have enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed perhaps by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks. N800 is getting close, but to stream video (that people don't adequately encode) you really need power. Power == CPU speed (DSP) == Power consumption == BIgger battery. 2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck. This is an internet tablet. Browsing/reading email does not really need a keyboard. A keyboard makes this already a bit to large device, way to large to fit in a pocket. 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. OpinionBy far the best choice! Why? Well adding cell support jumps the cost up probably another $100 US. and secondly this puts pressure on the cell market. Right now there is no competition. I know wifi is still not ubiquitous, and the N800 does not replace the cell phone, but it adds some pressure that will keep growing. Maybe cell cos will start dropipping prices/adding features to stay competitive. /Opinion Again, this is not a flame. I am just expressing the fact that your 3 major drawbacks to the device are the 3 most interesting features for me. (well I would like more CPU power, but who doesn't). I do look forward to BT headsets tho! I hate the wire to my head when listening to music. It is the last wire ! Thanks Brian ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 21:36 -0500, ext Jonathan Greene wrote: ... It would also be nice if we could get (think it's called) OBEX support built in so you could bluetooth beam files back and forth between phones and computers. The file manager does a nice job letting you browse a bluetooth device (at least my phone) but it's not quite the same thing. OBEX is there already, and File Manager uses it. It's implemented through the Gnome VFS. You can use it manually from Xterm like this: gnomevfs-copy file:///home/user/MyDocs/foo.jpg obex://[xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx]/folder/foo.jpg where xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx is the Bluetooth address of the destination (it must be paired first). BR; Kimmo Let's hope future firmware updates include enhancements as well as fixes. JG ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Zoran Kolic wrote: Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't perhaps have enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed perhaps by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks. More cpu, more power consumption. Buy desktop. Actually no...buy a Pepper Pad 3. It's small enough to carry between home/car/work. N800 is minimal fill-in for situations other than these three. My PP3 mounted on my car dash is a far superior car computer than N800. Better display, more rugged, etc. 2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck. Laptop has it. 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason. Zoran ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Brian Waite wrote: I do not intend this as a flame, but you chose the wrong device. You want a laptop/tablet PC and you'll have to pay for it in both size and cost. Just putting together a package like the N800.770 is is a feat. Look at UMPCs and see what you can find, but I'd challenge you to find one that will do what you want for twice the price of the N800. My iPAQ hx4700 doesn't require re-encoding video...and I can play at resolutions that match device capabilities. It cost me $600 several years ago. Very powerful Intel Bulverde cpu. My Pepper Pad 3 (cost $600?) streams 95% of formats I want (except realplayer w/auth and certain newer flash) and has ended up being the more versatile device for me...whether at home or in car or at work and in meetings. On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices. sean Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't perhaps have enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed perhaps by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks. N800 is getting close, but to stream video (that people don't adequately encode) you really need power. Power == CPU speed (DSP) == Power consumption == BIgger battery. My hx4700 ipaq and PP3 batteries last long enough for me...and both stream large format huge file size mpegs/etc. 2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck. This is an internet tablet. Browsing/reading email does not really need a keyboard. A keyboard makes this already a bit to large device, way to large to fit in a pocket. I feel you are presenting too simplistic a usage scenario...yeah 60% of the time I'm just clicking...but opening an xterm to do linux stuff or entering data into any web form is a pain in the arse. If I'm using the N800 to check email (valid, right?)...do I not reply to things I'm reading? Same goes for IM. Cmon man...every other device now has builtin retractable or other kind of keyboard. PP3 did it right with backlit keypad...which you can get quite proficient with. I find the N800 screen soft like pudding, too easily scratchable w/stylus and quite fond of misrecognition of keystrokes...notice how it beeps even when a keypress isn't recognized? It's a real pain to type in any kind of data. With my PP3 I have builtin keypad...with my iPAQ I have snap-on keyboard which integrates fairly well into cases/etc. 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. OpinionBy far the best choice! Why? Well adding cell support jumps the cost up probably another $100 US. and secondly this puts pressure on the cell market. Right now there is no competition. I know wifi is still not ubiquitous, and the N800 does not replace the cell phone, but it adds some pressure that will keep growing. Maybe cell cos will start dropipping prices/adding features to stay competitive. /Opinion Money isn't the issue for me...we're all geeks spending boatloads of money on this technology. I am more than willing to spend extra $$$ for cpu, disk, 3g, etc. I just want it open (as much as possible) and WORKING. Again, this is not a flame. I am just expressing the fact that your 3 major drawbacks to the device are the 3 most interesting features for me. (well I would like more CPU power, but who doesn't). I do look forward to BT headsets tho! I hate the wire to my head when listening to music. It is the last wire ! Thanks Brian ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On 2/6/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tobacco...buy it at your corner store. Next year when Nokia releases next model w/3G we can discuss further. Over my dead 770 ... :-) Dude...you just don't understand. There are two models which are equally valid...each device to it's own and the convergence model. People want both...not everybody wants to wear a geek jacket with pockets for their iPod, phone and N800. You ... you've been SPYING on me?!?? ;-) I agree, though - there /are/ two models. I think that Nokia's addressing the convergence-luvvas quite nicely with their (much much much more numerous) smart phone offerings. The N800, however, is a deliberate step to the other end of the spectrum - single device, single purpose (where purpose==Internet, not www, IM, or VOIP.) Why should I carry around 2 devices of roughly same form factor?!? You shouldn't. In my idealised PAN-filled future, your phone doesn't have the same form factor as today; it's merely a voice/audio conduit, attaching itself wirelessly to the connectivity cube that talks wifi/BT/3G/GPRS/etc and is the gateway router out of your PAN. Why should I deal with the BT-pairing/bonding crap involved with two different devices? *More* than two ... ... but only once each :-) Have you ever been jamming to tunes on your ipaq/pod and a call came in? It is an often unelegant scramble to answer the phone on your headset. Not personally, no. Maybe I need more friends ... :-( Every high-end umpc or ppc form factor has cellular as option...larger tablets...umpcs...and ppc devices like treo/etc. You state: I don't *want* convergence...I don't *want* a browser on my phone But guess what? Many people DO want convergence...phones are getting crammed with PIM/web features and screen sizes are shooting upand conversely pocket pcs/etc. are getting cellular capability. Cool - let them buy the N93 or other such devices. *I've* got the 770 and N800 ... :-) It's a computer...not a phone. Absolutely. Why, therefore, should it have dedicated cellular phone hardware in it? Jonathan -- Jonathan Matthews-Levine|[EMAIL PROTECTED] That sounds vaguely obscene, and if there's one thing I cannot *stand*, it's vagueness. -- Dean Grennell ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Mike Lococo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's being actively worked on. Not that we can tell. Hey Nokia, we want to help! Really! The reason for the delay is, I believe, the work required to get things running in the bluetooth driver within in the linux kernel. If they had published the key specs back when it would be done by now. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
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Depending upon device and it's features/quality...I could go either dedicated device route or convergence all-in-one route. Knock with all-in-one devices (like stereos) is you often get crap you don't want and solution is watered downvalid points. I thought at one time that my eensy-teensy T68i BT phone was ideal conduit for my PDAs/tablets/etc. for connectivity purposes. But you know what? I can't deal with a phone the size of a chiclet. I have piano fingers and still can't reliably press those little buttons. I recently purchased the Freedom BT mini-keyboardbig mistake. Finger ergonomics and keycodes available are pathetic. Holding keyboard dongle while also holding/balancing N800 will be a trick. I'm willing to defer my last 2 points for next-gen model...at least there are workarounds. But fact that N800 won't reliably play most videos...and at resolution of device...is a big problem for me. Software and hardware on device s/be in sync w/each other. The nokia N80 phone supports upnp (as do other models I think)...but given N800 support for video...I can't imagine N80 being any better. Phone? PDA? All the same to me...I'm just looking for features. mike Jonathan Matthews-Levine wrote: On 2/6/07, Mike Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tobacco...buy it at your corner store. Next year when Nokia releases next model w/3G we can discuss further. Over my dead 770 ... :-) Dude...you just don't understand. There are two models which are equally valid...each device to it's own and the convergence model. People want both...not everybody wants to wear a geek jacket with pockets for their iPod, phone and N800. You ... you've been SPYING on me?!?? ;-) I agree, though - there /are/ two models. I think that Nokia's addressing the convergence-luvvas quite nicely with their (much much much more numerous) smart phone offerings. The N800, however, is a deliberate step to the other end of the spectrum - single device, single purpose (where purpose==Internet, not www, IM, or VOIP.) Why should I carry around 2 devices of roughly same form factor?!? You shouldn't. In my idealised PAN-filled future, your phone doesn't have the same form factor as today; it's merely a voice/audio conduit, attaching itself wirelessly to the connectivity cube that talks wifi/BT/3G/GPRS/etc and is the gateway router out of your PAN. Why should I deal with the BT-pairing/bonding crap involved with two different devices? *More* than two ... ... but only once each :-) Have you ever been jamming to tunes on your ipaq/pod and a call came in? It is an often unelegant scramble to answer the phone on your headset. Not personally, no. Maybe I need more friends ... :-( Every high-end umpc or ppc form factor has cellular as option...larger tablets...umpcs...and ppc devices like treo/etc. You state: I don't *want* convergence...I don't *want* a browser on my phone But guess what? Many people DO want convergence...phones are getting crammed with PIM/web features and screen sizes are shooting upand conversely pocket pcs/etc. are getting cellular capability. Cool - let them buy the N93 or other such devices. *I've* got the 770 and N800 ... :-) It's a computer...not a phone. Absolutely. Why, therefore, should it have dedicated cellular phone hardware in it? Jonathan ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
I agree, though - there /are/ two models. I think that Nokia's addressing the convergence-luvvas quite nicely with their (much much much more numerous) smart phone offerings. The N800, however, is a deliberate step to the other end of the spectrum - single device, single purpose (where purpose==Internet, not www, IM, or VOIP.) I agree (I'm in the second group). There are people that want the ITs to be smartphone replacements, PC replacements, PDA replacements, etc, and they're all clamoring for that one thing that was *so obvious* that they can't see how Nokia left it out. IMO the great thing about the ITs is that they're so customizable that it's like having a blank slate. Here, I have GNU/Linux, wifi, and a web browser; make me into whatever you want. -- Just stop and take your secret journey, you will be a new box. --Leeta http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason. Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine. I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper next-gen phone built in. Reasons: - It would add $100 to the cost - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost even more when using it traveling - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine ... most people have - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer out of - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT - It would consume a great deal more power I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and leave that crowded market to other models. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On 2/6/07, Michael Wiktowy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper next-gen phone built in. Me neither - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine ... most people have ... - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT GSM in the N800 would be cool for interweb, but this thing is horribly designed for a phone. It would only work well with a headset, and we all saw how the Palm Tungsten W flopped. Phones like Treos and the upcomming iPhone have screen too small for browsing, but make decent phones. Other phones make great phones. I'd rather have a great phone and a great tablet. I'm just looking for a small, barebones phone that has bluetooth. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Michael, in the U.S. all three of Cingular (HSDPA), Verizon (EVDO), and Sprint (EVDO) have deployed broadband mobile wireless services with a national footprint that, if Sprint's vision is correct will become, in Sprint's case, a stepping stone to full WIMAX deployment a few years down the road. Nokia is, in fact working with Sprint in the area of WIMAX and and I would be very surprised if Nokia are not considering to put WIMAX into a future version of the N800 or something close to it. I happen to use Verizon's EVDO service and it is very good in terms of bandwidth and U.S. geographic footprint. It supports VOIP satisfactorily and it is being upgraded to higher (Rev. A) performance, as is Sprints EVDO network. I have managed to test out how the wireless tethering of the N800 to the Verizon EVDO service via a Verizon handset using bluetooth works but it would be much nicer if I could lose the handset and use a future version of the N800 with EVDO and eventually WIMAX in its place. I actually think that the biggest impediment to such a scenario is not so much the need to jam another radio into the N800 form factor as it is the fact that Windows Mobile proves to be much more useful in the corporate world (which is where most of the money to purchase these high end handsets comes from) than a N800. If the Nokia product cannot meet the same application needs then it will not be competitive in this market segment. Although they are expensive, several handset manufacturers, and, in particular, HTC and its reseller UTStarcom, have produced multi radio handsets (EVDO/802.11/CDMA/Bluetooth/IR) that are quite compact, albeit power-hungry, especially with 802.11 turned on. Here is the url to one such product available for both the Sprint and the Verizon Networks in the U.S.: http://www.utstar.com/pcd/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=PPC6700sAct=0 Most of these high end handsets run Windows Mobile 5.0 but it would be nice for Nokia to provide some competition in this segment by adding, for the US market, a CDMA/EVDO radio or GSM/HSDPA chipset to a future version of the N800 product. Best Regards, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason. Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine. I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper next-gen phone built in. Reasons: - It would add $100 to the cost - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost even more when using it traveling - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine ... most people have - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer out of - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT - It would consume a great deal more power I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and leave that crowded market to other models. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On 2/6/07, Paul Klapperich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just looking for a small, barebones phone that has bluetooth. I really think this is the way to go. I would love to find something even simpler; a barebones little box that acts like a GSM modem with a BT interface ... I don't even care if it has a keypad or a screen. Unfortunately, all the cell providers in my area like to sell bundles, don't have unlimited data-plans and gouge for data transfers. There are roll-outs of Wimax starting but that emphasizes my point about not building in a cellular technology that will be obsolete. I currently have a BT GPS that works well with my ITs and I can put it on the dashboard of my vehicle where it will get good reception. If I want to use the upcoming European Galileo or the Russian GLONASS or the Chinese Beidou system then I can buy a little BT transceiver for those systems (maybe ... I have never tried). That kind of modularity works really well and allows piece-wise replacement and mixing-matching of components if things stop working or infrastructure need/provision changes. I think the above also addresses John Holmblad's comments that came in after I started this email. /Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Michael Wiktowy wrote: On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason. Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine. Sarcasm aside?!?...and you back up the washing machine quote?? Sigh... I'll bet you $100 american that it comes to the N800...prob' by next year. Openmoko and other open source linux phones are arriving... I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper next-gen phone built in. You might not but I think many would. My ipaq 4700 cost $650 and they flew out the door. Zero cellular. N800 + cellular = $500...a deal to me. Reasons: - It would add $100 to the cost - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost even more when using it traveling So does your phone. Swap the sim from your phone to your N800done. - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine ... most people have Bare bones cell phones don't generally have BT. Addnly verizon phones have crippled BT. - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer out of - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT - It would consume a great deal more power Unlike perhaps many on forums...battery life isn't the biggest deal for me. I'm content to have 1 or 2 extra battery packs around. If I had a FULLY loaded N800...I'd be content with 2 hour battery life. Can plug into my car for charging or use the packs. I'm rarely climbing the himalayas and without power sources. I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and leave that crowded market to other models. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
I have been holding off on 3G data plan due to horrific costs and questions about availability/robustness. Cingular's plan is like $80/mo for all you can eat. Given there are comments regarding voice calls dropping when data is incoming and vice versa...I'll be a late adopter thanks. In S.F. there are supposedly multiple forms of 3gbut none of them work any significant length down 280 freeway...another deal-breaker for me. Additionally there is no coverage where my 2nd home is. The thought of going to cellular possibly for voice and data (no dsl/cable for isp) is somewhat appealing. I have even considered a 3g/cellular repeater/antenna installed on my house ($500 generally). I recently dropped newspaper subscriptions due to owning PepperPad3 and being quite pleased with streaming/reading capabilities...and am looking to drop cable tv ($70/mo) when Netflix's streaming service comes of age. mike Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Michael, in the U.S. all three of Cingular (HSDPA), Verizon (EVDO), and Sprint (EVDO) have deployed broadband mobile wireless services with a national footprint that, if Sprint's vision is correct will become, in Sprint's case, a stepping stone to full WIMAX deployment a few years down the road. Nokia is, in fact working with Sprint in the area of WIMAX and and I would be very surprised if Nokia are not considering to put WIMAX into a future version of the N800 or something close to it. I happen to use Verizon's EVDO service and it is very good in terms of bandwidth and U.S. geographic footprint. It supports VOIP satisfactorily and it is being upgraded to higher (Rev. A) performance, as is Sprints EVDO network. I have managed to test out how the wireless tethering of the N800 to the Verizon EVDO service via a Verizon handset using bluetooth works but it would be much nicer if I could lose the handset and use a future version of the N800 with EVDO and eventually WIMAX in its place. I actually think that the biggest impediment to such a scenario is not so much the need to jam another radio into the N800 form factor as it is the fact that Windows Mobile proves to be much more useful in the corporate world (which is where most of the money to purchase these high end handsets comes from) than a N800. If the Nokia product cannot meet the same application needs then it will not be competitive in this market segment. Although they are expensive, several handset manufacturers, and, in particular, HTC and its reseller UTStarcom, have produced multi radio handsets (EVDO/802.11/CDMA/Bluetooth/IR) that are quite compact, albeit power-hungry, especially with 802.11 turned on. Here is the url to one such product available for both the Sprint and the Verizon Networks in the U.S.: http://www.utstar.com/pcd/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=PPC6700sAct=0 Most of these high end handsets run Windows Mobile 5.0 but it would be nice for Nokia to provide some competition in this segment by adding, for the US market, a CDMA/EVDO radio or GSM/HSDPA chipset to a future version of the N800 product. Best Regards, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason. Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine. I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper next-gen phone built in. Reasons: - It would add $100 to the cost - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost even more when using it traveling - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine ... most people have - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer out of - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT - It would consume a great deal more power I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and leave that crowded market to other models. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Tuesday 06 February 2007 15:28:34 Mike Klein wrote: I have been holding off on 3G data plan due to horrific costs and questions about availability/robustness. Cingular's plan is like $80/mo for all you can eat. Given there are comments regarding voice calls dropping when data is incoming and vice versa...I'll be a late adopter thanks. In S.F. there are supposedly multiple forms of 3gbut none of them work any significant length down 280 freeway...another deal-breaker for me. I'm in that area use a Nokia 6130, edge service (additional 29.99 a month t-mobile) it runs about isdn speed. Now as for going down 280 while surfing. Haven't tried. I'm too busy dodging the people who are trying *grin*. Additionally there is no coverage where my 2nd home is. The thought of going to cellular possibly for voice and data (no dsl/cable for isp) is somewhat appealing. I have even considered a 3g/cellular repeater/antenna installed on my house ($500 generally). I recently dropped newspaper subscriptions due to owning PepperPad3 and being quite pleased with streaming/reading capabilities...and am looking to drop cable tv ($70/mo) when Netflix's streaming service comes of age. mike Acadia Secure Networks wrote: Michael, in the U.S. all three of Cingular (HSDPA), Verizon (EVDO), and Sprint (EVDO) have deployed broadband mobile wireless services with a national footprint that, if Sprint's vision is correct will become, in Sprint's case, a stepping stone to full WIMAX deployment a few years down the road. Nokia is, in fact working with Sprint in the area of WIMAX and and I would be very surprised if Nokia are not considering to put WIMAX into a future version of the N800 or something close to it. I happen to use Verizon's EVDO service and it is very good in terms of bandwidth and U.S. geographic footprint. It supports VOIP satisfactorily and it is being upgraded to higher (Rev. A) performance, as is Sprints EVDO network. I have managed to test out how the wireless tethering of the N800 to the Verizon EVDO service via a Verizon handset using bluetooth works but it would be much nicer if I could lose the handset and use a future version of the N800 with EVDO and eventually WIMAX in its place. I actually think that the biggest impediment to such a scenario is not so much the need to jam another radio into the N800 form factor as it is the fact that Windows Mobile proves to be much more useful in the corporate world (which is where most of the money to purchase these high end handsets comes from) than a N800. If the Nokia product cannot meet the same application needs then it will not be competitive in this market segment. Although they are expensive, several handset manufacturers, and, in particular, HTC and its reseller UTStarcom, have produced multi radio handsets (EVDO/802.11/CDMA/Bluetooth/IR) that are quite compact, albeit power-hungry, especially with 802.11 turned on. Here is the url to one such product available for both the Sprint and the Verizon Networks in the U.S.: http://www.utstar.com/pcd/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=PPC6700sAct=0 Most of these high end handsets run Windows Mobile 5.0 but it would be nice for Nokia to provide some competition in this segment by adding, for the US market, a CDMA/EVDO radio or GSM/HSDPA chipset to a future version of the N800 product. Best Regards, John Holmblad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/6/07, Zoran Kolic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 05 February 2007 22:28, Mike Klein wrote: 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. Also my wash machine lacks it. I cannot sleep for that reason. Sarcasm aside, Zoran has a very good point. Putting cellular capability on the IT would be as appropriate as putting it on a washing machine. While it would be great to be able to talk to someone while doing laundry, it is not really the purpose of the machine. I wouldn't have bought a 770 or a N800 if it had a GSM/3G/Super-duper next-gen phone built in. Reasons: - It would add $100 to the cost - It would be a purchase that keeps on costing a monthly fee and cost even more when using it traveling - I already have a bare-bones cell phone that makes calls just fine ... most people have - It would tie it to region/plan that would be difficult to transfer out of - It would tie it to some specific technology that doesn't have the longevity/compatibility of wifi/BT - It would consume a great deal more power I think these ITs make a good break from legacy tech like cellular and leave that crowded market to other models. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Mike Klein wrote: I'm in the no built-in cellular camp - for me, this was a smart move as I can use the N800 with whatever phone I have now (GSM/GPRS) and with whatever phone I get with my next upgrade (almost certainly a GSM/HSDPA phone). Nokia probably took a look at the data plans offered by most network providers around the world, saw things were bad (ie. charging the Earth per megabyte with all sorts of usage restrictions - no voip etc. - and transfer caps) and decided the World simply isn't ready for mass consumer internet on the move over mobile networks. In which case, why bother complicating the N800 with this potentially unnecessary hardware? And aside from business users, few people will have data-only SIMs when they can just as easily use their mobile phone over Bluetooth. Also, by adding cellular hardware the Internet Tablet suddenly becomes regionalised - CDMA for USA/Korea, GSM for the rest of the world, not to mention all the HDSPA/EDGE/EVDO/Whatever high-speed variants. Different hardware and possibly different firmware for each region - nice! Summary: No phone hardware == Master stroke :) ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
All, I am interested in using a Gennum 5500 nxzen bluetooth headset with the N800 and a VOIP client. Does anyone here have any info (e.g. perhaps a compatibility list from Nokia itself) that indicates what headsets have been confirmed to work with the N800? Gennum has released a version of its headset that includes a bluetooth dongle for use with a PC that allows it to be used for VOIP including with Skype. Here is the url to the www page at the Gennum www site for this item: http://www.nxzen.com/headsets/voip1.php Best Regards, John Holmblad Acadia Secure Networks GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM serving the digital home, entrepreneurial enterprise, and emerging carrier markets (M) 703 407 2278 (F) 703 620 5388 primary email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 12:16:24PM -0500, Acadia Secure Networks wrote: I am interested in using a Gennum 5500 nxzen bluetooth headset with the N800 and a VOIP client. Does anyone here have any info (e.g. perhaps a compatibility list from Nokia itself) that indicates what headsets have been confirmed to work with the N800? None at all yet. But I expect this will change in the future. People are working on Bluetooth headset support for the Nokia tablets. Marius Gedminas -- 2B OR NOT 2B == FF signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 12:58:14PM -0500, Jonathan Greene wrote: what's most interesting is that the N800 connects with a headset and recognizes that it can do audio... No apps seem to recognize it's there though beyond the control panel. Yes. The part that is not implemented yet is the actual streaming of audio data between the N800 and the headset. Marius Gedminas -- It's not illegal to disagree with my opinions (*). [...] (*) Although it obviously _should_ be. Mwhaahahahahaaa... You unbelievers will all be shot when the revolution comes! -- Linus Torvalds signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
Acadia Secure Networks wrote: All, I am interested in using a Gennum 5500 nxzen bluetooth headset with the N800 and a VOIP client. Does anyone here have any info (e.g. perhaps a compatibility list from Nokia itself) that indicates what headsets have been confirmed to work with the N800? Gennum has released a version of its headset that includes a bluetooth dongle for use with a PC that allows it to be used for VOIP including with Skype. Here is the url to the www page at the Gennum www site for this item: http://www.nxzen.com/headsets/voip1.php The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices. sean ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
On 2/5/07, sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Acadia Secure Networks wrote: All, I am interested in using a Gennum 5500 nxzen bluetooth headset with the N800 and a VOIP client. Does anyone here have any info (e.g. perhaps a compatibility list from Nokia itself) that indicates what headsets have been confirmed to work with the N800? Gennum has released a version of its headset that includes a bluetooth dongle for use with a PC that allows it to be used for VOIP including with Skype. Here is the url to the www page at the Gennum www site for this item: http://www.nxzen.com/headsets/voip1.php The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices. No argument here - It seems like the exclusion was conscious, but I can't figure out why. If VOIP is a marketed feature (Gizmo and now Skype) why require us to remain tethered. This is Nokia man, it's not like they don't make their own bluetooth headsets which I am sure could be nicely bundled. It would also be nice if we could get (think it's called) OBEX support built in so you could bluetooth beam files back and forth between phones and computers. The file manager does a nice job letting you browse a bluetooth device (at least my phone) but it's not quite the same thing. Let's hope future firmware updates include enhancements as well as fixes. JG -- Jonathan Greene m 917.560.3000 AIM / iChat - atmasphere gtalk / jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gizmo - JonathanGreene blog - http://www.atmasphere.net/wp ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. With BT headsets, these would be THE internet devices. sean Correction...single worst problem is that N800 doesn't perhaps have enough cpu to stream videos cleanly. This issue can't be fixed perhaps by a better driver. Re-encoding stuff sucks. 2nd is no builtin keyboard of any kind. Handheld bt keyboards suck. 3rd worst problem is no 3G/cellular capability built-in. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Re: N800 and Bluetooth Headsets
The SINGLE worst problem with the 770/800 is NO BT headsets. It's a long standing complaint. I've come to believe it's a conscious decision. No argument here - It seems like the exclusion was conscious, but I can't figure out why. It's being actively worked on. The reason for the delay is, I believe, the work required to get things running in the bluetooth driver within in the linux kernel. Not that any of this excuses how long it's taken, but the request isn't being ignored. Thanks, Mike ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[maemo-users] Bluetooth Headsets on 770 or N800?
Does anybody know whether the N800 supports Bluetooth headsets or not? I'd be very unhappy if support for the 770 ended before Nokia added that to their Bluetooth driver. I find having to hold the phone up to my ear for VoIP to be very irritating. Nokia wrote the Bluetooth driver for the 770, and as far as I can tell, the information needed to add SCO support to the driver is not publicly available, so it's up to Nokia to do it. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: [maemo-users] Bluetooth Headsets on 770 or N800?
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 11:40 -0500, Gopi Flaherty wrote: Does anybody know whether the N800 supports Bluetooth headsets or not? I'd be very unhappy if support for the 770 ended before Nokia added that to their Bluetooth driver. I find having to hold the phone up to my ear for VoIP to be very irritating. Nokia wrote the Bluetooth driver for the 770, and as far as I can tell, the information needed to add SCO support to the driver is not publicly available, so it's up to Nokia to do it. Couldn't agree more. I have been using my N770 for VOIP using gizmo a lot and it really hurts not being able to use the bluetooth headset lying on the table in front of me ;-) -- Anders Rune Jensen http://people/iola.dk/arj/ PGP/GnuPG key: 1024D/62C2D7F0 @ pgp.mit.edu Fingerprint: 6A03 907E 92E1 47EB 4EAB 76B6 068A ACD1 62C2 D7F0 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
