Re: [Mageia-dev] PROPOSAL: use the Mageia-app-db platform to manage mageia 2 development
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Marcello Anni wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > what about using mageia-app-db web platform to manage mageia 2 development? > > i'm talking about this: > > > > http://mageia-app-db.tuxette.fr/projects/mageia-app-db/roadmap > > > > > > i'm sure this will help the coordination between people and will provide a > > guide for the development process. > > > > > > what do you think about this proposal? > > this is for the use of mageia-app-db roadmap, no more, no less i mean the platform... isn't it open-source? where is the problem? Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] PROPOSAL: use the Mageia-app-db platform to manage mageia 2 development
> Le 28/08/2011 12:03, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > Hi all, > > > > what about using mageia-app-db web platform to manage mageia 2 development? > > i'm talking about this: > > > > http://mageia-app-db.tuxette.fr/projects/mageia-app-db/roadmap > > > > > > i'm sure this will help the coordination between people and will provide a > > guide for the development process. > > > > > > what do you think about this proposal? > > Well we already use Bugzilla for this including all specifications and > keeping progress and history inside. > > Adding some statistics will do the trick and triage team can help on this. > > https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1994 > isn't it a more advanced platform compared to the bugzilla? bugzilla isn't developped for these tasks, it's only a bug tracker... in plus, it's more eye-candy and this is useful to comunicate our progress to our users (and reviewers) Marcello
[Mageia-dev] PROPOSAL: use the Mageia-app-db platform to manage mageia 2 development
Hi all, what about using mageia-app-db web platform to manage mageia 2 development? i'm talking about this: http://mageia-app-db.tuxette.fr/projects/mageia-app-db/roadmap i'm sure this will help the coordination between people and will provide a guide for the development process. what do you think about this proposal? cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Drakxnet, drakroam and Draknetcenter : let's fix it or throw it.
> You are right in several points, but... :-) > > Le 01/08/2011 15:59, Thierry Vignaud a écrit : > > On 1 August 2011 15:29, Thomas Lottmann wrote: > >> The other main issue I see si that Drakxnet is coded in Perl and uses a lot > >> of perl scripts, like the drakxtools. This makes it hard to maintain, and to > >> improve. > > That's just your own POV. > > Not the POV of maintainers. > > Are there other maintainers for this tool than it's creators or > long-time maintainers? This is not only my POV, but also what I have > heard from a variety of people since the time I participate a little. > Anyway... > > >> I know it works fine for several people. Personally, I am often having > >> issues because it's disconnects on it's own, > > This has nothing to do with drakconnect that don't handle that. > > If the network disconnected, that's the issue between the routers, > > the network, the kernel, > > and no longer sees any networks when it should. > > which points to either network issue or kernel driver issue, not drakconnect. > > Other people not using Mageia do not get as often disconnected as me > when using public hotspots. Mageia wireless tools seem to have more > difficulty to connect and keep the connections to hotspots that have a > low (not bad, low) quality signal, while Windows keeps connected, or, > quickly reconnects automatically. > > Meanwhile, I have to reconnect manually and, more frustrating, it seems > the wireless utility sometime attempts to reconnect automatically, but I > can't clearly know. > > The other bizarre thing I often see is when the hotspots he sees fall > from 35 to 0 (or 1, the hotspot he's tryign to connect). This is not > normal, I have not observed this NM, Windows or Mac OS X tools. > > > > >> Then it has difficulty reconnecting. > > Same, reconnecting is the job of dhcp-client, ifplugd and the like. > > Not drakconnect's job. > > I can't tell. I can only observe and I do not invent what I describe > (and have already described in the past). :-) > > >> Windows, Fedora and Ubuntu's wireless tools work absolutely smoothly at my > >> school. And now, other people testing Mageia as school are having the same > >> issues I have. This is frustrating and I can assure you these home-made > >> network tools have to be improved and fixed. > > Well, Fedora tool (really NM) has its own bugs. > True. > > And I'm pretty sure people who've used MS, Apple or whatever OS/tool > > they're used to, have also encountered issues > True. But these issues are less evident to find apparently, and do not > affect that much user experience. > > When a user wants to connect to a wireless hotspot, he should just click > connect, enter his IDs and it should work fluently. If it is often the > case with Mageia tools with a personal hotspot and when you're next to > it, it is not always the case when you use it everyday, and, sadly, > other tools do better and have a more stable and smooth wireless > connectivity, even if they also encournter issues. Their issues are not > that much affecting user experience like the ones I have described. > >> If you want to, I can attempt to make a list of the isses and incoherencies > >> I find, although they are not hard to see. > > Indeed, please just fill in _several_ bugs (one report per issue) > > against drakx-net > > I will do one report for each issue I find in drakxnet, with as much > details as possible, yes. I shall also do a video capture of the issue > if it can help. this will take me a lot of time, but I will do it. > > >> But as I mentionned earlier, this > >> is a tool that is hard to maintain, and I cannot learn perl right now. > > That's just _your_ personnal though, not his maintainer's. > > aka "this is a tool that is hard to maintain" really means "you would not be > > able to maintain it" > Right. > >> If NetworkManager is easier to maintain and works fine, then I think it can > >> be a better solution. Just offering or trying to find solutions, because > >> this tool seriously does not work properly here. > > it has its own flaws too... > Yes, but it does not confuses itself with it's own configuration files. > Clearly, all programs can have flaws, but sincerely, it is not working > well in Mageia and is not pleasant to use. Otherwise I would not report > again about it. ;-) > btw, i think ALL mageia tools must be redesigned to match the medium usability level of nowadays... cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] RaLink 3062 WiFi card
> Hi > > I've two PCs with the same RaLink 3062 WiFi card. > Those cards are currently (since kernel 2.6.38 or 37) supported by kernel > (modules marked as stable). > > The problem is that on one of the computers I've debian testing with 2.6.39 > kernel and it automatically loads proper modules and WiFi card works, and on > Mageia PC nothing happens. > an italian user with Ralink n11 1440 suffers from the same kind of problem... i think there is an issue in supporting ralink wireless adaptors: http://www.mageiaitalia.org/forum/driver/ralink-n11-1440-chiavetta-wireless- mageja-non-funziona can anyone investigate? thanks cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] The triage team.
> Hello, > > Due to time constraints I have to leave the bug triage team. I'll > still try to keep up with the bugs list when I have the time but > won't be able primarily work on it. > > Thanks. > > -- > Ahmad Samir thank you for your work, ahmad! btw, is there anyone who takes care about this task? it is really important... cheers, Marcello
[Mageia-dev] No sound with Soundblaster in Mageia 1
hi all, can anyone take a look at this bug? it is the first bug filled by one of our italian community users, i proposed him to fill and i don't want to make a poor showing : ) https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1902 cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 14:49 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > > >Thiery wrote: > > > please stop that, I told you a month ago in Comment 5 "that would need > > changes > > > in urpmi too, which is a bit invasive at this stage". > > > > > > > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i don't > > have technical skills but i don't think so... > > It is not, but this would requires to have every translator to update > the string, and I think they are already busy on release notes, etc. > > I agree that the change seems good ( but I didn't look at the bug ), and > maybe we should review the various strings. > > So IMHO, it is better to fix that after the release, and using a update > for the stable release would still allow people to benefit from it ( as > well as newer translations later ). > > -- > Michael Scherer > > ok, thank you for your interesting. cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 14:49, Marcello Anni wrote: > > no (as i explain below), the communication is ok, is the kindness and the > > explanation of Anne that disappointed me. > > Note to self for next time: take a photo of ennael handing a huge sign > "It's freeze time!" with a large smile + a link to a tutorial that > explains what that means for everyone - and put it in a corner of all > mageia.org web sites. good idea : ) > > > but in fact i know that we are in freeze, but i see also that some packages > > (e.g. mageiaonline) continue to be improved for release, > > Not improved, but fixed. Because this one is release critical - this > has nothing to do with a cosmectic change. ok, it's not release critical but it's not neither a cosmetic change, as users are suggested to remove those packages and in the 99% of the cases it brings huge issues... and we should also remember that a person that uses linux is curious and wants the best for his system, if he reads "these packages are now unuseful (and he doesn't come from mandriva)" he probably (50%?) will try the comand > > > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i don't > > have technical skills but i don't think so... > > No, but being in freeze disregards totally that a change is trivial > (changing the string) or not (fixing the behaviour). It's not a > release critical bug, so it just does not get on the table past the > freeze date. And even less (because there are exceptions) when the > release time is approaching. andré blais proposed a similar solution on 2011-04-29, it's not a last-day proposal: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920#c6 > > Romain > hope it will be fixed in some updates for mageia 1 release. cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> 2011/5/27 Michael Scherer : > > Le vendredi 27 mai 2011 à 12:43 +0200, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > > >> i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is always > >> appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your > >> choice, i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i > >> update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed). > > > > Then, we may have a communication problem, as we displayed on a lot of > > place that we do the release soon. Anne posted a mail here with > > informations, we published the planning, etc. no (as i explain below), the communication is ok, is the kindness and the explanation of Anne that disappointed me. > > > > Yet, it seems people didn't get the message, so there is likely > > something to improve. > > Pls don't generalize :) > To my impression people (same generalisation) did get the message > about Final Freeze and all that. Especially people reading this list > here or other lists like marcomm, artwork, i18n. Experiences of us all > show that it is impossible to spread an information in a way that > there will not be those few users who did not get it. > > -- > wobo > but in fact i know that we are in freeze, but i see also that some packages (e.g. mageiaonline) continue to be improved for release, so i think that there is still some time. maybe i'm wrong but i don't see the reason to answer so rude >Thiery wrote: > please stop that, I told you a month ago in Comment 5 "that would need changes > in urpmi too, which is a bit invasive at this stage". > but do you consider a change in a language string as a difficult change? i don't have technical skills but i don't think so... cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> 2011/5/27 Marcello Anni > > > > Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi > > (and > > > > rpmdrake): > > > > > > > > title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using > > rpmdrake' > > > > > > > > link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 > > > > > > > > > > > > as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a > > > > > > Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct... > > > > > > > > > > workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with > > someone > > > > similar to this: > > > > > > > > "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you > > want > > to > > > > remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we > > discourage > > the > > > > use of this comand" > > > > > > > > is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the > > > > localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the > > new > > > > package. Please, let me know > > > > > > > > > > then you still ask for changes... :/ > > > > > > anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started > > > testing final isos, so no changes at this point. > > > > ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i'd understand before that it's > > impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change > > (that > > anyway it's not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the > > release. > > > > Sorry ? Instead of making people loose time in these days please read > bugzilla messages. > That's it i'm only trying to improve the distro as all of you, a kind attitude is always appreciated. In plus, in bugzilla you didn't explain the reasons of your choice, i had to wait for thomas to know that ISOs are in a building stage (i update my system even today and i don't know when updates have been pushed). Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
> Marcello Anni skrev 27.5.2011 12:25: > > Hi all, > > > > probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi (and > > rpmdrake): > > > > title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using rpmdrake' > > > > link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 > > > > > > as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a > > Hmmm, first you state this wich is correct... > > > > workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with someone > > similar to this: > > > > "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want to > > remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we discourage the > > use of this comand" > > > > is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the > > localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new > > package. Please, let me know > > > > then you still ask for changes... :/ > > anyway... Its _way_ too late, we are in full freeze and have started > testing final isos, so no changes at this point. ok, maybe if Anne wrote down these words i'd understand before that it's impossible at this development stage. i will try to organize this change (that anyway it's not about code, but only a transaltion string) after the release. > > -- > Thomas > thanks cheers, Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Possible workaround of bug related to Orphans: need opinions
Hi all, probably everyone knows the bug related to the use of orphans by urpmi (and rpmdrake): title: 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using rpmdrake' link: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 as time is over and we can't change this feature, what about using a workaround in urpmi? my proposal is to change the current message with someone similar to this: "these packages are orphans. If you are an experienced user and you want to remove them, you can use "urpme --auto-orphans". Otherwise we discourage the use of this comand" is still possible? i need the partecipation of i18n team to update the localizations and the approval of the dev team that should commit the new package. Please, let me know cheers Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Need a commit for 2 italian files: drakxnet and draconf
hi, who can commit the italian version of these files? thanks https://transifex.mageia.org/projects/p/drakx_install/resource/drakxpot/ https://transifex.mageia.org/projects/p/control-center/resource/drakconfpot/ thanks cheers Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Is it possible to fix before release the bug 920?
hi all, is it possible to fix this bug before release? 'urpme --auto-orphans' message shouldn't be shown when using rpmdrake https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920 thank you cheers, Marcello PS= i'm adding also marketing team because it's related to a feature very important for the product quality
[Mageia-dev] mageiaonline: ability to configure mageia sources
hi, can i ask if mageiaonline has the ability to configure the mageia sources? i mean if one person that uses mandriva, if install mageiaonline will end up with mageia sources. if not, can you tell me when will be available such a feature? thank you cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Live CD - when they will be available?
> Dexter Morgan writes: > > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Marcello Anni wrote: > >> hi, > >> > >> live cds should be available on 7th of april, we're now on 17th of april... > >> they will be released soon or they will be postponed? thanks > >> > >> > >> cheers, > >> Marcello > >> > > > > blino was wprking to allow to make libreoffice available on them. Now > > it seems ok for libreoffice so maybe some Live can be available soon. > > > > Olivier, do you have an ETA for this ? > > Hi, > > No, I don't have any ETA for it (and the 7th of april date seems to come > out of nowhere), but we are making some progress here. > > Thanks to you dmorgan, libreoffice can now be installed without java, > and the live CD sizes appear to be fine: > > 598M mageia-livecd-1-beta1-GNOME-int-cdrom-i586.iso > 615M mageia-livecd-1-beta1-GNOME-int-cdrom-x86_64.iso > 688M mageia-livecd-1-beta1-KDE4-int-cdrom-i586.iso > 704M mageia-livecd-1-beta1-KDE4-int-cdrom-x86_64.iso > > Also, the theme should now be ok for GNOME live images. > > Though, we still have a few issues remaining: > > - KDE: missing draklive-install icon on desktop > -> it seems that the code to handle /usr/share/mga/desktop/ in > /usr/share/kde4/env/kde4-firstsetup.sh is commented > dmorgan, mikala: could you have a look? > > - KDE: install error about kdm not found > - check that draklive-install entries in menu contain our distro name, > not the legacy one > > -- > Olivier Blin - blino > ok, thanks for the info... i will write a blog post in http://www.mageia.it/blog in order to update the italian community... tell us if there are any news cheers, Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Live CD - when they will be available?
hi, live cds should be available on 7th of april, we're now on 17th of april... they will be released soon or they will be postponed? thanks cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
> Hi, > > i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a coherent growth > of the project, both in the "hard" side and in the "soft" side of it. > > At this stage i need: > > - a report for each team > > * It should contain current manpower, level (and trend) of activities, current > tasks, available infos and statistics. > * if possibile it's better if made by the team leader (naturally he can share > all the members toughts) > * about "sensitive data": is better to send an e-mail directely to my e- mail > adress (this) > > - proposals to be added in the marketing plan > > They should contain ideas about: > * Vision (which needs mageia project should satisfy in a long-term > horizont?) > * Mission (how can be satisfied these long-term needs in a mid-term > horizont?) > * possible strategies (what can be done to satisfy these mid-term needs?) > * action plan (which aspects should be improved in a short term horizont?) > * threats and opportunities of the project > > > Please, try to be short and precise. i'm waiting your inputs! > > > cheers, > Marcello > __ > Mageia Marketing Team - mageia-market...@mageia.org Hi, Patricia set up in the marketing wiki page: http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing an appropriate space to share your ideas and proposals, partecipating in the mageia marketing plan is as easy as logging in in the wiki : ) here is it the link: http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing#sandbox_for_developing_marketing_comms_ideas_texts_and_input cheers, Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Mageia marketing plan is on the way, proposals and team reports needed
Hi, i'm working on a Marketing plan for Mageia in order to define a coherent growth of the project, both in the "hard" side and in the "soft" side of it. At this stage i need: - a report for each team * It should contain current manpower, level (and trend) of activities, current tasks, available infos and statistics. * if possibile it's better if made by the team leader (naturally he can share all the members toughts) * about "sensitive data": is better to send an e-mail directely to my e-mail adress (this) - proposals to be added in the marketing plan They should contain ideas about: * Vision (which needs mageia project should satisfy in a long-term horizont?) * Mission (how can be satisfied these long-term needs in a mid-term horizont?) * possible strategies (what can be done to satisfy these mid-term needs?) * action plan (which aspects should be improved in a short term horizont?) * threats and opportunities of the project Please, try to be short and precise. i'm waiting your inputs! cheers, Marcello __ Mageia Marketing Team - mageia-market...@mageia.org
Re: [Mageia-dev] ask for mentoring
> Hi,there , > > I'm new to packaging .sometimes , I package some program when I run > into some interesting ones ,but they are only used in my Mandriva box > . > And now ,I want to contribute to Mageia ,but I'm not very clear of the > procedure (such as sending the public ssh key to Anne) , can some one > do me > a favour and mentor me in this aspect ? Thanks in advance ! > > Regards > > -- hi, welcome on board : ) you'll find all the infos here: http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging the best way to start is to go to #mageia-mentoring or #mageia-dev on freenode. you'll find all the people that can help you to contribute. cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Problem with monitor brightness
> Hi all, > I'm experiencing a problem at the login: the monitor brightness is too > low and I can see window "ghost" only. No keyboard keys combinations > (Fn+Brightness[+/-]) works. > Restarting kdm (service dm restart) seems to solve the problem, but > after a restart I'm still at the starting point. > I'm on a hyunday as26 laptop, video card Unichrome S3 shared memory. > Any tips? > -- > Matteo > > () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail > /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments > hi matteo, why don't you open a bug report and give the link here? thanks cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
> Hi there, > > As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like > to become a packager, but who don’t know where to look, what’s the path, > what to do. hi Remy, what about adding this text to a new wiki page? > Regards, > -- > Rémy CLOUARD cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 alpha 1 is out
> > PS= angelo, are you italian? > hmm, yes ;) > > -- > Angelo > are you italian and you didn't join the i18n-it team yet? we need you!! please, let me know cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia ISO corrupted?
> Marcello Anni schrieb am 2011-02-16 > > hi, > > > > i downloaded twice the ISO hosted here and it returns each time the > > same wrong md5sum: > > > > ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mageia/iso/cauldro > > n/mageia- dvd-1-i586.iso > > > > md5sum: cb0778ba45917d38f267cf806fa968a6 > Hi, > > I downloaded it from ftp.mandrivauser.de and everything was alright, > so perhaps it's a problem of ibiblio? > > Oliver > maybe, and it is also the mirror more capable : ( i checked with x86-64 one and they are differents, in plus i tried it and it stopped in the bootloader installation phase, so i think it is really corrupted. no other one downloaded the alpha from that mirror? do you know another fast mirror? i tried distrib- coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr but it is very slow... cheers, Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Mageia ISO corrupted?
hi, i downloaded twice the ISO hosted here and it returns each time the same wrong md5sum: ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mageia/iso/cauldron/mageia- dvd-1-i586.iso md5sum: cb0778ba45917d38f267cf806fa968a6 could the iso be corrupted? thanks cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Mageia 1 alpha 1 is out
> In data martedì 15 febbraio 2011 02:12:10, Anne nicolas ha scritto: > > This time was the right one: http://blog.mageia.org/?p=492 > > > > Many thanks to all who worked on bootstrap, build system, artowrk, > > packaging, cleaning... and made possible that first step for Mageia. > > We need your feedbacks. > > > > Enjoy > \o/ Really happy! > -- > Angelo > congratulation to everyone, mageia rocks : ) i'm downloading right now, i'm looking forward to it! cheers, Marcello PS= angelo, are you italian?
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> >> Here's my take on an edit of the intro: > >> > >> Welcome to Mageia Application Discovery! Here, you can search for > >> application software to use on your Mageia system, then download and > >> install it with just a click. Browse by name, category or specific > >> filename*. To help you decide. examine the screenshots and user > >> reviews and recommendations. Explore applications in the testing > >> repository to participate in the devopment process. Provide your > >> feedback to help others. Suggest new applications for inclusion in > >> Mageia. Explore and enjoy yourself! > > > > i think it is perfect. Samuel, what do you think about it? could you add it to > > the website? > > 'Mageia Application Discovery' is awkward English. > I suggest 'Mageia Application Depot' as a depot is a storehouse. i'm not speaking about the name, i'm speaking about the intro : ) cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> > did you like the slogan under the name in my mockup? : P > Well, it fits one the main goals, indeed, but should we use it as "the" slogan, > I don't know :) > I'd rather just have a slogan about mageia itself than about the simple tool > the app-db is. > > > when you'll decide > > to call it Find Out?? i'm still waiting, mageia-app-db is horrible (and > > i'm sure you don't have any other ideas)... > > I haven't thought about other ideas, to be honest, but I'm not that thrilled > by "Find out" as a name. > > I should start a new thread (in -discuss rather dans -dev I think) so that we > can try to find a name together. > > Samuel > ok, win the best (choice) :-) cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> On 2/8/11, Marcello Anni wrote: > > > > > did you like the slogan under the name in my mockup? : P when you'll decide > > to > > call it Find Out?? i'm still waiting, mageia-app-db is horrible (and i'm > > sure > > you don't have any other ideas)... > > > > I don't care for "Find Out". It does not cleary communicate the > purpose of the site. "Mageia FInd Out" reads to me like brokewn > English saying "Mageia is looking for out" and makes me wonder what > "out" is and why is Mageia looking for it. It does not clearly speak > to software/applications. I assume you are using "find out" in the > sense of "discover" or "explore", but it's not a phrase that is clear > to me. > > Some suggetsion for your consideration (yes, they are very dull, but > descriptive): > > Mageia Application Database/Discovery/Foundry > Mageia Application Warehouse/Mall/Store/Shop application not at all > Mageia - Explore Applications > Mageia - World of Applications i really like explore: what about Mageia explore? > > Here's my take on an edit of the intro: > > Welcome to Mageia Application Discovery! Here, you can search for > application software to use on your Mageia system, then download and > install it with just a click. Browse by name, category or specific > filename*. To help you decide. examine the screenshots and user > reviews and recommendations. Explore applications in the testing > repository to participate in the devopment process. Provide your > feedback to help others. Suggest new applications for inclusion in > Mageia. Explore and enjoy yourself! i think it is perfect. Samuel, what do you think about it? could you add it to the website? > > I woud not use words like "infos" or "app" or "soft" and would avoid > abbreviations, shorthand and jargon. > > Overall, I like the concept and the interface. Great work! thanks : ) > > * I suggest this feature as a way to help the user figure out "What > provides ?" That is often not an easy task as package naming > conventions are often obtuse and confusing. > > -- > Hoyt > cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> Le dimanche 6 février 2011 22:14:40, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > > 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > > > > hi Samuel, > > > > these are my last 2 mockups about mageia-app-db project. i've added > > > > mageia- > > > > > > discuss and mageia-dev in the CC list so anyone can share his opinion > > > > about > > > > > > these mockups, giving us comments and ideas that can improve the tool. > > > > please, > > > > > > tell me what do you think about it > > > > > > > > homepage: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindouthomepage.jpg/ > > > > browsing page: > > > > http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindoutbrowsingpa.jpg/ > > > > > > sorry but who is supposed to use mageia-app-db ? power users ? dev ? > > > casual/normal users ? > > > > Samuel said that the application must be useful both for newbies and power > > users > > Yes, to be more precise : when you come it shows "end-user" stuff, but if you > activate some things (advanced filters, technical information, etc.) you should > get something useful for advanced users, developers, etc. As one of the goals > is to empower users into contributers (whatever the form of contribution) did you like the slogan under the name in my mockup? : P when you'll decide to call it Find Out?? i'm still waiting, mageia-app-db is horrible (and i'm sure you don't have any other ideas)... > > Regards > > Samuel Verschelde cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> On 6 February 2011 23:17, Fabrice Facorat wrote: > > 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > >>> 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > >>> >> 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > >>> > >>> >> > homepage: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindouthomepage.jpg/ > >>> >> > browsing page: > >> http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindoutbrowsingpa.jpg/ > >>> >> > >>> >> sorry but who is supposed to use mageia-app-db ? power users ? dev ? > >>> >> casual/normal users ? > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > Samuel said that the application must be useful both for newbies and power > >>> > users > >>> > >>> ok for power users, but for normal users the Ui is too cluttered > >> > >> [remember that this is only a first mockup made by me (the developer is > >> Samuel), my goal is to provide to him all the most interesting infos and ideas > >> to develop the app as best as possible.] > >> > >>> 1. left pane : Release Alpha vs Cauldron ? for a normal user, this > >>> means pretty nothing. If the user is looking for an > >>> application/package, then don't talk about release or repositories. > >> > >> well, if you have mandriva installed, do you think you don't know what release > >> is? alpha release vs. cauldron could be "Mageia 2011" and "Mageia 2012" > > > > whereas eventually I may know about release ( Mageia 2011 ), I may not > > know about updates/backports/testing/ > > What's the point fo browsing by release ? It's an application > > database, so you should browse by applications. this mockup depends for some aspects on the current implementation: http://88.191.121.20/madb/master/index.php/?source=0&distrelease=8&application=1&arch=1 i agree about browsing only by applications, but for power users is important also the updates/backports/testing/ option. > > > >>> What about using instead rpm categories, and then display theses kind > >>> of information in the package infos > >> > >> do you mean showing only "amarok" field and when you get into it you'll > >> download different versions depending on the release installed? it can be an > >> interesting idea. > > > > first I see the main categories : Office, Sound & Video, Tools, ... > > Then the sub-category and then the application : > > Sound & Video -> Sound -> Amarok > > The left pane should only show categories, the application list will > > be displayed in the center pane. > > > > See tthe way you navigate in this : > > http://download.cnet.com/windows/mp3-and-audio- software/?tag=rb_content;contentNav this reflect the current mockup of the navigation page, did you see it? is it moreover similar to your preferences? > > > >>> 2. right pane : Alpha vs Beta ? > >> > >> also here, i mean something like this: "Mageia 2011" and "Mageia 2012" > > > > this won't scale when you will have more and more release, except if > > you plan to show only 2 releases, and so to support a mandriva release > > only during 2 releases cycles. about this i should hear the developer, depending on how is implemented it could be useful or cluttering. > > Close the World, Open the Net > > http://www.linux-wizard.net > > > > I like the ratings and the "news" about new packages on the right, > however the centre pane is a little cluttered, maybe if the info there > was put into topics with turn down boxes it would make it clearer and > cleaner as the information is a little distracting atm. > > Donald. > you're right, it is a little cluttered, the home-page mockup is only a first version to improve. to better satisfy user needs and preferences, we could use the user preferences and settings, as: - show only a release - show only specific packages (+ notifications?) - etc... other ideas/critics? cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > >> 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > > >> > homepage: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindouthomepage.jpg/ > >> > browsing page: http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindoutbrowsingpa.jpg/ > >> > >> sorry but who is supposed to use mageia-app-db ? power users ? dev ? > >> casual/normal users ? > >> > > > > Samuel said that the application must be useful both for newbies and power > > users > > ok for power users, but for normal users the Ui is too cluttered [remember that this is only a first mockup made by me (the developer is Samuel), my goal is to provide to him all the most interesting infos and ideas to develop the app as best as possible.] > 1. left pane : Release Alpha vs Cauldron ? for a normal user, this > means pretty nothing. If the user is looking for an > application/package, then don't talk about release or repositories. well, if you have mandriva installed, do you think you don't know what release is? alpha release vs. cauldron could be "Mageia 2011" and "Mageia 2012" > What about using instead rpm categories, and then display theses kind > of information in the package infos do you mean showing only "amarok" field and when you get into it you'll download different versions depending on the release installed? it can be an interesting idea. > > 2. right pane : Alpha vs Beta ? also here, i mean something like this: "Mageia 2011" and "Mageia 2012" > > 3. center pane : the introduction text is too long IMHO it is just a first version of what i want to use. any idea to change and improve the text? > > 4. why do we have 2 search fields ? samuel told me he wants to use a search field in the home-page, this is up to him (i would prefer only the smaller search field). thank you for your input, any other suggestion (also by other people) is welcome! cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
> 2011/2/6 Marcello Anni : > > hi Samuel, > > these are my last 2 mockups about mageia-app-db project. i've added mageia- > > discuss and mageia-dev in the CC list so anyone can share his opinion about > > these mockups, giving us comments and ideas that can improve the tool. please, > > tell me what do you think about it > > > > homepage: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindouthomepage.jpg/ > > browsing page: http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindoutbrowsingpa.jpg/ > > sorry but who is supposed to use mageia-app-db ? power users ? dev ? > casual/normal users ? > Samuel said that the application must be useful both for newbies and power users
[Mageia-dev] New mockups about mageia-app-db
hi Samuel, these are my last 2 mockups about mageia-app-db project. i've added mageia- discuss and mageia-dev in the CC list so anyone can share his opinion about these mockups, giving us comments and ideas that can improve the tool. please, tell me what do you think about it homepage: http://img209.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindouthomepage.jpg/ browsing page: http://img696.imageshack.us/i/mageiafindoutbrowsingpa.jpg/ cheers, Marcello PS= i've noticed 0.1 release is ready, is it time for a blog post?
Re: [Mageia-dev] Joining the team
> Hi, > > I am currently the http://linuxconsole.org developer, and I am looking > for a new distro to build the 2.0 release. > > Before it, I can help you, if you agree, to build the first "mageia" > stable release. > > What I can do : > > - build a toolchain > - build any software > - Make a windows installer like I did for my distro : > http://dibab.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/1.0/install/lcinstall.nsi > > See you soon on IRC. > > Yann Le Doaré > > welcome on board Yann! if you want help to build the release, take a look this page: http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging#packaging_team you will find all the people that are available to be your mentor. cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] New member...
> Hello! > > My name is David (Zarniwoop), and I signed up a while back for > participating in the Mageia dev-team among with other teams, but since > then I haven't heard anything. I've now been in contact with Maertens > who asked me to email on the mailinglist and let you all know who I am > and what I hope to participate with, so here goes: > > I'm 32 years old, working in telecommunications. In March I will start > working as a software developer for DigitalRoute (in Java). > [Cut] > > Regards, > > David Sjölin AKA Zarniwoop > Hi david, even if i'm not a developer i would like to welcome you to the mageia-dev team :-) i'm sure you'll enjoy yourself, these guys are very nice and they do a great work for mageia... cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:35, Marcello Anni wrote: > >> > we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha > > release? > >> > this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may > >> > want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for > >> > everyday use. > >> > >> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all > >> announcements) this Alpha 1 is > >> - NOT a stable release > >> - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release > >> - NOT ready for everyday use > > > > in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the "funny" side of linux without > > having any risk. so? > > Again, that's not the focus of this alpha release. We don't want > people to try it around just to see what Mageia has in reserve, > because they will be disappointed in this regard: take this alpha as > an alpha-developer/packager-technical-raw-preview. It will be ugly. It > will scare Santa Claus. It will make the rain vaporize. It may even > break your neighbour's TV set. ah ah : ) ok then, i've understood i can't try it : ) > > Moverover, for future alpha/beta/finale release, formats to be > released (live, non-live, cd, dvd, other) _have to_ be specified on > the release roadmap/features page (so obviously, there needs to be a > discussion about this for the next alpha). And a livecd will be fine > as soon as we near the final release (or maybe not, that's to be > discussed). > ok, thank you for these infos > Romain > cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
> 2011/1/26 Marcello Anni : > >> Hi there > >> > >> > >> As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting > >> stay in human timetable :). > >> > > > > hi Anne, > > we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha release? > > this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may > > want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for > > everyday use. > > As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all > announcements) this Alpha 1 is > - NOT a stable release > - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release > - NOT ready for everyday use > > -- > wobo > in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the "funny" side of linux without having any risk. so?
Re: [Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
> Hi there > > > As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting > stay in human timetable :). > hi Anne, we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha release? this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for everyday use. > Cheers > > Anne > http://www.mageia.org > cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for Mageia: implement bitorrent protocol to allow updates download
> BTW: It's time to find mirrors for the distribution ! Any volunteer ? > http://mirrors.mageia.org/ > > Regards. > > > > > > > cheers, > > Marcello > -- > > Olivier Thauvin > CNRS - LATMOS > ♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖ > i think the e-mail sent to Mageia-discuss called "Available Servers at Cloud Sigma" may have interesting news for you : ) cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for Mageia: implement bitorrent protocol to allow updates download
> Le mercredi 12 janvier 2011 à 20:14 +0100, Marcello Anni a écrit : > > > Thanks Olivier, for saying this much better than I could > > > > > > wobo, yet another mirror maintainer > > > > > yes wobo, but except Per Øyvind no one has really answered to my question... > > i think if that if we want Mageia to become the most popular distro over the > > world -yep!- we should find a way to augment the overall bandwith available for > > updates download, and what's better than bittorrent protocol to use user > > available bandwith to do this? i would like to know: > > I think that we should > 1) diagnose exactly the problem you see > 2) then decide on the solution. > > So what is the problem when you download updates ? i don't see any problem, if you read carefully the title is "proposal for mageia", it is just a proposal to see if we can provide more capacity for users downloads and (in a long-term vision), increase our users base without overloading the mirrors, using the uploading capacity of users internet connections. > > -- > Michael Scherer Cheers, Marcello
Re: [Mageia-dev] Proposal for Mageia: implement bitorrent protocol to allow updates download
> Thanks Olivier, for saying this much better than I could > > wobo, yet another mirror maintainer > yes wobo, but except Per Øyvind no one has really answered to my question... i think if that if we want Mageia to become the most popular distro over the world -yep!- we should find a way to augment the overall bandwith available for updates download, and what's better than bittorrent protocol to use user available bandwith to do this? i would like to know: - if it is possible from a techincal pov - if it is convenient and useful (overall in a long-term vision) - if we could plan it for the coming releases (and who could take in charge this) cheers, Marcello
[Mageia-dev] Proposal for Mageia: implement bitorrent protocol to allow updates download
hi all, i have one question (maybe it can be a proposal): is it possible to implement the torrent protocol to faster download the updates of the distro? it could be an interesting features for the coming Mageia releases cheers, Marcello PS= to Samuel Verschelde: what about "Mageia FindOut" as new name for the mageia-app-db?
Re: [Mageia-dev] What do you think about create a Mageia Welcome Center?
> We know that many Windows users refuse to migrate to GNU / Linux because of > the differences between these two environments. A critical point is the > difference between the programs used to perform common tasks. > > Thinking about it, I had the idea of creating a Mageia Welcome Center. What > is this? Basically, when Mageia is installed and user will do his first > login - or when a new user is created and will do your first login, after > loading the desktop environment, a window like the one I drew below will > appear: > > http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/925/mageiawelcome.png > i like it : ) it can be created together with my (now becoming old) proposal of creating a kde4 welcome plasmoid that shows how mandriva works (basis). this is the bug link: https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=32617 and this is the (basic) mockup: https://qa.mandriva.com/attachment.cgi?id=17504 cheers, Marcello ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
Re: [Mageia-dev] Small Mandriva problems to go thinking before Mageia Development begins
> 2010/9/24, André Machado : > > 1. Since Mandriva 2010.0, there is a strange problem with BR-ABNT layout > > keyboards: when you press the , key at numpad, system prints a . instead. > > I've report this bug at Mandriva's Bugzilla but don't know if it was > > fully fixed. Other current distros are afected too. Ubuntu is one what > > is not. > > If you try different layouts in your keyboard you will see that the > "." of numpad it is nt the same for all > eg in my system : > > French: . > Greek: , > > > 3. When updating a kernel, all installed kernels are listed on GRUB > > screen. This is right, but can confuse some users. We should show only > > the last installed kernel and a menu item that leads to other menu with > > all other installed kernels. > > I think that the only thing that could confuse the user is that he had > to knows that the last kernel in the list is the default too (the > first in the list). i think these issues can be discussed (and fixed) in a following time.. i have too so many proposals to submit : ) cheers, Marcello ___ Mageia-dev mailing list Mageia-dev@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev
