Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 23:29, Michael Scherer m...@zarb.org wrote: Unfortunately, that's not really the opinion of the sourceforge lawyers. Where is this opinion documented? Are there source/reference/details about said copyright infringement reports? (without which the claim does not stand) I could not find on the old site, neither on the new one, neither through a quick Google search.
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
Hello! W dniu 30.01.2012 14:33, Funda Wang pisze: Personally, i'm in favour of dropping it, due to what is said in its homepage: StarDict hasn't seen any active development for many years Well it's worth to consider importing goldentict too, but I'm against dropping stardict - it's actually alive and people keep porting it to GTK3. https://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/updates/list 2012/1/30 Kamil Rytarowskin...@gmx.com: Hello! Thanks for fixing stardict! I had problems with mirrors and temporarely wasn't able to fix the glib.h headers locally.
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
Le 30/01/2012 17:55, Kamil Rytarowski a écrit : Hello! W dniu 30.01.2012 14:33, Funda Wang pisze: Personally, i'm in favour of dropping it, due to what is said in its homepage: StarDict hasn't seen any active development for many years Well it's worth to consider importing goldentict too, but I'm against dropping stardict - it's actually alive and people keep porting it to GTK3. https://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/updates/list Hi What about asking his (her) opinion to the maintainer *before* upgrading it to the new version ? + kamilkamil - new versdion 3.0.3 - disable all patches, they seem merged - update URL - update SOURCE ** As the maintainer, it was to me to take the decision to upgrade or propose something else for mageia. You have the right to ask me what I want to do with it and to expose your opinion. But next time, ask the maintainer before ! There was no bugreport open for stardict, so no emergency to touch this package. And in case you are no aware of the fact we have a database for maintainership : mgarepo maintdb getpackage_name do the trick. Claire
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
Le lundi 30 janvier 2012 à 20:53 +0100, Claire Revillet a écrit : Le 30/01/2012 17:55, Kamil Rytarowski a écrit : Hello! W dniu 30.01.2012 14:33, Funda Wang pisze: Personally, i'm in favour of dropping it, due to what is said in its homepage: StarDict hasn't seen any active development for many years Well it's worth to consider importing goldentict too, but I'm against dropping stardict - it's actually alive and people keep porting it to GTK3. https://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/updates/list Hi What about asking his (her) opinion to the maintainer *before* upgrading it to the new version ? + kamilkamil - new versdion 3.0.3 - disable all patches, they seem merged - update URL - update SOURCE ** As the maintainer, it was to me to take the decision to upgrade or propose something else for mageia. So as the maintainer, can you explain to us why you did not warn us of the copyright problem that we can see since 07/2011 on http://stardict.sourceforge.net/ -- Michael Scherer
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
W dniu 30.01.2012 20:53, Claire Revillet pisze: Le 30/01/2012 17:55, Kamil Rytarowski a écrit : Hello! W dniu 30.01.2012 14:33, Funda Wang pisze: Personally, i'm in favour of dropping it, due to what is said in its homepage: StarDict hasn't seen any active development for many years Well it's worth to consider importing goldentict too, but I'm against dropping stardict - it's actually alive and people keep porting it to GTK3. https://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/updates/list Hi What about asking his (her) opinion to the maintainer *before* upgrading it to the new version ? + kamilkamil - new versdion 3.0.3 - disable all patches, they seem merged - update URL - update SOURCE ** As the maintainer, it was to me to take the decision to upgrade or propose something else for mageia. Hi Claire! I keep updating URLs and SOURCEs - the initial bug-request was there https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3035 (I have reviewed initially 2,500 source-packages). You have the right to ask me what I want to do with it and to expose your opinion. But next time, ask the maintainer before ! There was no bugreport open for stardict, so no emergency to touch this package. And in case you are no aware of the fact we have a database for maintainership : mgarepo maintdb getpackage_name do the trick. I was informed that this mostly means that you are responsible for decisions what to do in future with a package, and you are ready to be assigned in a bug-request etc. So what do you think about the future of StarDICT? I was looking at the projects and I'm a little bit affraid of the licenses and patents. For example GoldenDict is said to support Babylon - and this can be problematic with patents. Have you reviewed the dicts if they are legally used? Claire
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
I keep updating URLs and SOURCEs - the initial bug-request was there https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3035 (I have reviewed initially 2,500 source-packages). 1) stardict does not appear in the list 2) why maintainers are not been contacted for all those problems ? So what do you think about the future of StarDICT? I was looking at the projects and I'm a little bit affraid of the licenses and patents. For example GoldenDict is said to support Babylon - and this can be problematic with patents. For me StarDict is a dead project and I was looking for a successor. There is no information on the copyright infringement and the tarball that can be downloaded on the new site are exactly the same as the old ones ! So the first possibility is: there was truly a copyright problem and there is still (this may be proved in the future if the copyright owner ask to close again the project) ; second possibility: there was no copyright problem (but a more obscure one), but, still, the project is not very active. So if GoldenDict present, at this time, no license or patent problem and is actively developed : it can be a better choice. Import freeze for mageia 2 will be in march, so I think we have a little time to think about it to choose the best solution for mageia 2 and test it (bugs...) before release. Let's take the week for discussion. you reviewed the dicts if they are legally used? I checked for almost all dict : they are GPL or Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Licence (V3.0). Just 1 as to be modified (quick-deu-eng) or simply removed. I'll do that in the week. I think url information may not be good, but I did not see the point of rebuilding 200 packages just for that (taking into account the fact that dictionaries are not code : they do not evolve). Claire
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
Le 30/01/2012 22:31, Claire Revillet a écrit : I keep updating URLs and SOURCEs - the initial bug-request was there https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3035 (I have reviewed initially 2,500 source-packages). 1) stardict does not appear in the list 2) why maintainers are not been contacted for all those problems ? 3) if your point was just to fix bad URLs, why upgrading ? Claire
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
2012/1/31 Claire Revillet gren...@zarb.org: For me StarDict is a dead project and I was looking for a successor. There is no information on the copyright infringement and the tarball that can be downloaded on the new site are exactly the same as the old ones ! So the first possibility is: there was truly a copyright problem and there is still (this may be proved in the future if the copyright owner ask to close again the project) ; second possibility: there was no copyright problem (but a more obscure one), but, still, the project is not very active. I think there is no copyright problem with the stardict the program itself, only the data files (dictionaries). But the author has been missing for half a year: http://goldendict.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1109
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
Le 30/01/2012 22:50, Funda Wang a écrit : 2012/1/31 Claire Revilletgren...@zarb.org: For me StarDict is a dead project and I was looking for a successor. There is no information on the copyright infringement and the tarball that can be downloaded on the new site are exactly the same as the old ones ! So the first possibility is: there was truly a copyright problem and there is still (this may be proved in the future if the copyright owner ask to close again the project) ; second possibility: there was no copyright problem (but a more obscure one), but, still, the project is not very active. I think there is no copyright problem with the stardict the program itself, only the data files (dictionaries). But the author has been missing for half a year: http://goldendict.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1109 It's also what I think : no really copyright pb with the code (and yes, I had seen link :\ ). I don't think the problem is with the dict, because the pages with all the dict are still there : http://abloz.com/huzheng/stardict-dic/ (and easy to find). So, for me, dict are okay. But if the new dev is not really active, it is a good time to change the software for the distribution.
Re: [Mageia-dev] stardict 3.0.3
Le lundi 30 janvier 2012 à 22:56 +0100, Claire Revillet a écrit : Le 30/01/2012 22:50, Funda Wang a écrit : 2012/1/31 Claire Revilletgren...@zarb.org: For me StarDict is a dead project and I was looking for a successor. There is no information on the copyright infringement and the tarball that can be downloaded on the new site are exactly the same as the old ones ! So the first possibility is: there was truly a copyright problem and there is still (this may be proved in the future if the copyright owner ask to close again the project) ; second possibility: there was no copyright problem (but a more obscure one), but, still, the project is not very active. I think there is no copyright problem with the stardict the program itself, only the data files (dictionaries). But the author has been missing for half a year: http://goldendict.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4t=1109 It's also what I think : no really copyright pb with the code (and yes, I had seen link :\ ). Unfortunately, that's not really the opinion of the sourceforge lawyers. I assume that since you didn't warn us of a problem during the 6 months that you at least took the initiative as a maintainer to contact sourceforge.net, and that you received a answer letting you safely to dismiss their analysis. So can you share the answer, and/or the analysis ? Because I think that if we have a special treatement for patents and DMCA despites having legal protections ( safe harbor laws in the USAs, for example ) for mirrors, we should at least be as vigilant for copyright violation when there is no such provision and much stricter laws ( per various treaty ), as we all know given the current events. -- Michael Scherer
