[Mailman-Developers] Regarding GSoC 2016 project ideas

2016-03-02 Thread Sreyas Chaithanya
Hello,

I am Sreyas Chaithanya studying in Indian Institute of Technology (BHU), 
Varanasi. I found the GitLab/development tools integration idea interesting. I 
would like to work on that project in GSoC 2016. I wrote the core of an event 
management system in my college in Django and python2.7 but I’m also 
comfortable with python3. Could someone help me get started?

Regards,
S Sreyas Chaithanya,
IIT(BHU)

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Congratulations to us! We're officially in GSoC again!

2016-03-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
Let me add my thanks and congratulations to the team and mentors, and welcome
to our prospective students, for what I'm sure will be another exciting GSoC
year for us.  It's great to see some contributions already coming in, and good
discussions already happening on this list.

Cheers,
-Barry
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[Mailman-Developers] Congratulations to us! We're officially in GSoC again!

2016-03-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
... especially to Florian, who seems to be on his way to becoming
MGOAFL (Mailman GSoC Org Admin For Life)[1].  And of course Barry (who
has a real -FL title!), and the mentors.

All that goes without saying, sort of, but I'd also like to mention
all the folks who have been following this list and occasionally
posting a comment or suggestion.  Another special thanks to several
folks who haven't signed up as mentors (yet! we can always use
more[2]) but have offered various kinds of advice.

I'd also like to mention that we'd really like to be in cooperation
with the Systers again this year, both for the dlist project Barry
mentioned (good to see you back, Pranjal!) and they have some stuff
they're doing with statistics dashboard for admins (subscriptions,
unsubscriptions, posts, etc.)

Comments on the GSoC ideas page (and more ideas!):
http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016
are welcome.

Steve

Footnotes: 
[1]  Don't worry, Florian!  Eventually Google will kick us out. ;-)

[2]  You don't have to be particularly expert at anything, we'll make
sure that every student has a mentor technically proficient in the
project area.  As a co-mentor, you just need a strong desire to see
your intern grow, and to help them do that!

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[Mailman-Developers] Congratulations to us! We're officially in GSoC again!

2016-03-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
... especially to Florian, who seems to be on his way to becoming
MGOAFL (Mailman GSoC Org Admin For Life)[1].  And of course Barry (who
has a real -FL title!), and the mentors.

All that goes without saying, sort of, but I'd also like to mention
all the folks who have been following this list and occasionally
posting a comment or suggestion.  Another special thanks to several
folks who haven't signed up as mentors (yet! we can always use
more[2]) but have offered various kinds of advice.

And congratulations to Systers.  We'll be cooperating with the Systers
again this year, both for the dlist project Barry mentioned (good to
see you back, Pranjal!) and they have some stuff they're doing with
statistics dashboard for admins (subscriptions, unsubscriptions,
posts, etc.)

Comments on the GSoC ideas page (and more ideas!):

 http://wiki.list.org/DEV/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016

are still very welcome.

Steve

Footnotes: 
[1]  Don't worry, Florian!  Eventually Google will kick us out. ;-)

[2]  You don't have to be particularly expert at anything, we'll make
sure that every student has a mentor technically proficient in the
project area.  As a co-mentor, you just need a strong desire to see
your intern grow, and to help them do that.  You choose how to do it!

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[Mailman-Developers] Query regarding GSoC 2016

2016-03-02 Thread Sujay S Kumar
Hello,

My name is Sujay S Kumar, currently studying Computer Science and
Engineering at PES Institute of Technology, Bangalore.
I am interested in working on the list styles project as part of GSoC 16. I
have thorough knowledge of Django as I interned at Plivo and HackerEarth in
the Django profile.I am also one of the open source contributors to Django.

Please visit www.sujayskumar.com for more information about me.

Regards,
Sujay S Kumar
PES Institute of Technology,
Bangalore
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Regexp filtering

2016-03-02 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 11:13:18PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Adam McGreggor writes:
> 
>  > Or could we meet user expectations (real users, not geeks), [and
>  > allow glob syntax].
> 
> Definitely worth discussing, but my initial reaction is negative for
> the reasons discussed below.
> 
>  > Simples:
>  > *@mail.ru
>  > *@*mail.ru
>  > ?@mail.ru
> 
> Are those anchored?  At the beginning of string?  At end?  

'throughout'.


> Is there really a use case for "?"?  I don't see this as an obvious feature.

I'd imagine there could be some use for people wanting say, to handle
five-character localparts of an address, although it's an in-elegant
approach, it's something a user can understand, without needing to
understand regexp ("all our new subscriptions are five characters
before the @ sign. I want to block them").

> Globs are also too blunt for the use case, especially since bad actors
> do deliberately use fine distinctions between well-known domains and
> their own sinkholes of depravity when phishing. 

True. (I was picking on mail.ru, as it's one of the common ones that I
find quite irresponsible).

> Users are likely to
> be lazy, using "*@*mail.ru" to catch both "badac...@mail.ru" and
> "badac...@spamsource.mail.ru", trashing "nice...@goodmail.ru"'s posts
> in the process.

Are they going to use *@* necessarily, or just *@? (unless they want
subdomains when "*@*.mail.ru" might be acceptable).

> 
>  > Off the top of my head, the syntax would define if it's an absolute
>  > address (f...@example.com) vs a regexp.
> 
> "f...@example.com" is unambiguous, but "foo+mail...@example.com" is
> not.  That's a big trap for users, who surely know exactly what they
> mean by that (and it's not fmail...@example.com!)

Agree.

-- 
"applying logic to English slang is never a sound idea"
-- Stephen Fry
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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Regexp filtering

2016-03-02 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Tue, Mar 01, 2016 at 09:26:13AM -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> globs make sense for file system operations, and we've been using them for
> decades in shells.  I think globs make less sense for header value pattern
> matching.

Looking at my sieve/procmail recipes, I rarely use globs (except in
blacklisting), it seems.

In the blacklisting case, it's against words in Subject: lines, as
well as Sender:/From: headers. I'd imagine (for those still using such
things), that's a fairly common approach.

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 exploding for centuries."
-- Christopher Morley
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