RE: [Mailman-Users] Trying again

2003-07-29 Thread Craig Askings
check out /var/log you should have files with names like mail.info and
mail.err etc.

Craig.

On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 15:50, Christine De La Rosa wrote:
 Thanks for the info Richard.  At the risk of sounding like a total
 rookie, where would those logs be found?  I have checked the logs in the
 mailman folder but none of them are called MTA logs, would they be under
 another name?
 
 Thanks
 Chris



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trying again

2003-07-29 Thread Richard Barrett
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 06:50  am, Christine De La Rosa wrote:

Thanks for the info Richard.  At the risk of sounding like a total
rookie, where would those logs be found?  I have checked the logs in  
the
mailman folder but none of them are called MTA logs, would they be  
under
another name?

We are all rookies at some time on every subject.

On a typical Linux installation you will find /var/log/mail or  
/var/log/maillog or some such which is being written to you your MTA  
(Sendmail for instance).

Normally, this will contain a from and a to entry for every message  
handled by the MTA and show how it was disposed of. The pairs of  
messages are associated using the message id in each entry (the  
random'ish looking string after the date preamble on the line).

You will probably need to be root user to read the MTA log file.

The Mailman post and smtp logs should have message ids recorded in them  
which should correlate (and also the log entry time) with the MTA logs.

It is tedious but sometimes the only way to get enough diagnostic  
detail to fix some problems.

Thanks
Chris
On Thursday, July 24, 2003, at 09:16 PM, Christine De La Rosa wrote:

I am having a new issue, again I have searched the archives, but see no
resolution. My list owners receive email at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is supposed to be forwarded to their private email. When the
system sends out the notification of pending request it is sending it  
to
the private email, for some reason the email never reaches them even
though their emails are perfectly fine,

You could try checking your MTA log to see if these outbound messages
from Mailman to the list admin's email address are being sent out by
Mailman and accepted by the MTA. You might then be able to track down  
if
and where the message is being bounced.

 so it bounces I guess and then
disables them after so many tries.
I would really appreciate help with this issue.  My list wranglers are
being kicked off their own list on a daily basis.
Christine

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[Mailman-Users] Internal server error

2003-07-29 Thread Nino Katic
Hi,

I have installed Mailman 2.1.2-6 on Debian and web interface is running
strange. Sometimes it works ok, and sometimes it gives me an internal
server error. In apache log there is: Premature end of script headers:
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin or whatever mailman cgi script is run.
In Mailman error log i can't find anything usefull for this problem. I saw
that others had similar problems but it seems there is no some generic
solution? There was talk about some GID settings.. So, what could be
wrong? I also made installation on Red Hat and there it all works well.
Best regards,

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[Mailman-Users] Mailinglists on listinfo-page

2003-07-29 Thread Simon Schneebeli
Hi all,

I have five mailinglists on my server. They apear all on the 
myserver/mailman/admin page, but there is only one on the 
myserver/mailman/listinfo/ page. How can I change this?

Simon

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Question

2003-07-29 Thread Steven Poulakos
Hi,

I have posted to the [LO] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list about the 
question below two times (about 1 month ago and again last Friday) and 
hadn't received a response.  I'm getting in a time crunch to find a 
solution.  So, if you could please provide me with any advice, I would 
really appreciate it.

Here's the question:

I would like to allow a listowner to subscribe/unsubscribe users by 
sending emails to Mailman.   Those emails would come from the list 
owner's email address and contain a password if needed.  I would then 
like to do the following actions:

1.  Subscribe (not invite) the user
2.  Not send a welcome message
3.  Unsubscribe the user

I want this email functionality so that I can integrate (un)subscribe 
features with a Perl user profile script that I'm developing.

Could you please tell me if this functionality is possible?  If so, how 
can I do it?

THanks,
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[Mailman-Users] IETF's recommendations on email Autoresponses

2003-07-29 Thread Jon Carnes
The IETF just issued the following draft:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-moore-auto-email-response-01.txt

Recommendations for Automatic Responses to Electronic Mail

The recommendations are very sane, and hopefully this document can be
adopted as an RFC soon.
 
Please comment on it and help i on its way to an RFC.

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[Mailman-Users] need help with installation

2003-07-29 Thread Darryl Cook
I am a new user of mailman so bear with me if I ask something that 
should be easily seen.  Im trying to install mailman on a Compaq ES40 
running Tru64 5.1b.  I have installed it successfully on a linux box but 
cant get it to run on my production box which is the Tru64 box.  Apache 
2.0.46 is running fine and mailman compiled fine.  Ive made all the 
changes to the httpd.conf file in regard to the cgi scriptalias so it 
knows where the pages are.  I created a new test mailing list and did 
get an email telling me where to go to etc etc.  

When I point the web browser there though I get the following:

***

 Internal Server Error

The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was 
unable to complete your request.

Please contact the server administrator, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 
inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have 
done that may have caused the error.

More information about this error may be available in the server error log.

***

When I look at the log file it says:  

Premature end of script headers: admin

any ideas appreciated

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman mailinglists and 'plussed' E-mail

2003-07-29 Thread Wim Peeters

Hello All,

People in our company love to send E-mail using the plussed address
(procmail feature as delivery agent for sendmail)

E.g. E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], end 
up in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

Mailmain, asks for approval of each of these messages.

With the message 
Reason:  Message has implicit destination

Any idea how to allow this?

Best Regards

Wim

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[Mailman-Users] Send messages to thousands of users

2003-07-29 Thread José Carlos Rebola Gomes
How can i send a message to a list with 10 users using a bulk script on
mailman ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Send messages to thousands of users

2003-07-29 Thread Jon Carnes
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 12:26, Jos Carlos Rebola Gomes wrote:
 How can i send a message to a list with 10 users using a bulk script on
 mailman ?
 
 Confidentiality Note: The information in this electronic mail (e-mail)
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 Thank you.

Jose, I would answer this question, but unfortunately I'm not the named
recipient, and according to your sig file, I can't.

Take care.


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RE: [Mailman-Users] Subject Line Length Considered Spam

2003-07-29 Thread Paul H Byerly
Jeanne Schock wrote:
I am corresponding with Ted. H over at excite.com member services, in the
hope that they can change their blocking criteria. If this is an annoyance
for anyone else, I suggest going to the excite.com website and give a hand
trying to explain the irony of viewing confirmation emails as spam attempts.
 I'd be happy to join the attempt, as I will soon be moving a list 
with a dozen excite.com members.  But a quick look at the site does not 
give me an e-mail address I am confident will get anything but an auto 
response.  Care to pass on an address we can very kindly swamp?

 And I am still looking for confirmation that is' 22 consecutive 
characters, not 22 characters.

 Paul 

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[Mailman-Users] remove_members *really* slow

2003-07-29 Thread Ed Wilts
A few weeks ago, I used add_members to add about 44K users to a mailing
list. I remember it taking only a few minutes at most.  Today I needed
to flush all the list members, and it's taking forever.  On a P III/500,
it's been running for 3 hours, used 2.5 hours of CPU, and the list is
down to 28K members.  Is there a faster way of doing this operation in
2.0.13?  Should I just have deleted the list and recreated it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] remove_members *really* slow

2003-07-29 Thread J C Lawrence
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 12:27:51 -0500 
Ed Wilts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there a faster way of doing this operation in 2.0.13?  

This is a known performance problem with v2.0 which is largely
(entirely?) fixed in v2.1.

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[Mailman-Users] messages stuck in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles

2003-07-29 Thread ben strawbridge
Hello,

I am having a problem with Mailman sending out messages.  It was working
fine then stopped working about a week ago.  I have mailman installed on
an unmanaged virtual host, and did not make any changes to mailman
itself.

When I send a message to any one of my lists I don't get a bounce or any
errors, and it of course doesn't show in the archive.  The website is
still up and all functions appear to be working.

In the directory /var/spool/mailman/qfiles there are a large number of
messages (all of them i think) (.msg and .db files).

I don't know how to start and stop mailman, in my bin directory there is
no mailmanctl file, but maybe that is only for older or newer versions
of mailman.

It is mailman 2.0.9 on redhat linux 7.3,

If anyone can help please email me directly or through the list.

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailman on apache2

2003-07-29 Thread Shane Hickey
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:01:41 +0200
Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 and all our mailman lists are still working.  Unfortunately, I can't 
 give you any details of what we did to convert, since I was not 
 involved in that process.  However, I can confirm that there should 
 be no problems using mailman with apache2.

Can anyone give me some ideas of where to look to fix my problem. 
Basically, all my lists are currently functioning and when I do things
like ./bin/list_lists as the mailman user, I can see my lists. 
However, when I try to access any of my lists via the web interface, I
get an error that says No such list.  My scriptaliases are all in
place and all of that, but somehow they aren't hooking correctly into my
existing mailman setup?!?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles

2003-07-29 Thread Richard Barrett
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 08:29  pm, ben strawbridge wrote:

Hello,

I am having a problem with Mailman sending out messages.  It was 
working
fine then stopped working about a week ago.  I have mailman installed 
on
an unmanaged virtual host, and did not make any changes to mailman
itself.

When I send a message to any one of my lists I don't get a bounce or 
any
errors, and it of course doesn't show in the archive.  The website is
still up and all functions appear to be working.

In the directory /var/spool/mailman/qfiles there are a large number of
messages (all of them i think) (.msg and .db files).
Incoming messages waiting to be processed.

I don't know how to start and stop mailman, in my bin directory there 
is
no mailmanctl file, but maybe that is only for older or newer versions
of mailman.

For MM 2.0.x message distribution is done by the qrunner cron job which 
should be run once a minute.

What does the crontab command say about the mailman user's crontab?

It is mailman 2.0.9 on redhat linux 7.3,

If anyone can help please email me directly or through the list.

Thanks,
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1(646) 536-3066
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New York, NY 10014
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailman on apache2

2003-07-29 Thread Richard Barrett
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 08:40  pm, Shane Hickey wrote:

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 03:01:41 +0200
Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and all our mailman lists are still working.  Unfortunately, I can't
give you any details of what we did to convert, since I was not
involved in that process.  However, I can confirm that there should
be no problems using mailman with apache2.
Can anyone give me some ideas of where to look to fix my problem.
Basically, all my lists are currently functioning and when I do things
like ./bin/list_lists as the mailman user, I can see my lists.
However, when I try to access any of my lists via the web interface, I
get an error that says No such list.
You do not say what URL is yielding the response or which version of 
Mailman you are running.

Does the No such list response have the name of the list you are 
trying to access embedded in it?

Do you get what appears to be sensible results from the /mailman/admin 
and /mailman/listinfo pages?

Do you get No such list when following links from the /mailman/admin 
and /mailman/listinfo pages?

My scriptaliases are all in
place and all of that, but somehow they aren't hooking correctly into 
my
existing mailman setup?!?

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[Mailman-Users] Re: messages stuck in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles

2003-07-29 Thread ben strawbridge
I have finally solved this problem myself.
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.014.htp

i followed the steps on this page and discovered that the startup script
on my managed server was somehow changed or corrupted in that crond
stopped starting on reboot (as did several other important things!) I
will now be trying to figure that out.

Thanks for your time everyone!
Ben.


On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 15:29, ben strawbridge wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I am having a problem with Mailman sending out messages.  It was working
 fine then stopped working about a week ago.  I have mailman installed on
 an unmanaged virtual host, and did not make any changes to mailman
 itself.
 
 When I send a message to any one of my lists I don't get a bounce or any
 errors, and it of course doesn't show in the archive.  The website is
 still up and all functions appear to be working.
 
 In the directory /var/spool/mailman/qfiles there are a large number of
 messages (all of them i think) (.msg and .db files).
 
 I don't know how to start and stop mailman, in my bin directory there is
 no mailmanctl file, but maybe that is only for older or newer versions
 of mailman.
 
 It is mailman 2.0.9 on redhat linux 7.3,
 
 If anyone can help please email me directly or through the list.
 
 Thanks,
 Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
 -
 Cenozoa Corporation
 1(646) 536-3066
 33 Little West 12th St. #106A
 New York, NY 10014
 http://www.cenozoa.com
Ben Strawbridge - Senior Interface Engineer
-
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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailman on apache2

2003-07-29 Thread Shane Hickey
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:09:24 +0100
Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You do not say what URL is yielding the response or which version of 
 Mailman you are running.

I apologize for the lack of information.  I'm running Mailman version
2.1.2, installed from a Gentoo ebuild.  The list name that I have
working, currently is namedlist. I know, I know, really imaginative.
Anyway, when I got to/mailman/admin/list then I get the error No such
list list.  It also says that there are no publicly-advertised Mailmain
mailing lists on my server.

 Does the No such list response have the name of the list you are 
 trying to access embedded in it?

Yup.. sorry about that.  See above.

 Do you get what appears to be sensible results from the /mailman/admin
 and /mailman/listinfo pages?

Both of these pages tell me that there are no publicly-advertised
Mailman mailing lists on my server.

 Do you get No such list when following links from the /mailman/admin
 and /mailman/listinfo pages?

All the links bring me to a variation of the same page saying that there
are no publicly-advertised lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailman on apache2

2003-07-29 Thread Richard Barrett
The admin.py and listinfo.py CGI scripts use code that determines which 
lists are present on the system by listing the contents of the 
directory defined by the MM configuration variable LIST_DATA_DIR, as 
defined in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly overridden in 
$prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

I guess the first thing you could check is that LIST_DATA_DIR has the 
you expect.

On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 09:26  pm, Shane Hickey wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:09:24 +0100
Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You do not say what URL is yielding the response or which version of
Mailman you are running.
I apologize for the lack of information.  I'm running Mailman version
2.1.2, installed from a Gentoo ebuild.  The list name that I have
working, currently is namedlist. I know, I know, really imaginative.
Anyway, when I got to/mailman/admin/list then I get the error No such
list list.  It also says that there are no publicly-advertised 
Mailmain
mailing lists on my server.

Does the No such list response have the name of the list you are
trying to access embedded in it?
Yup.. sorry about that.  See above.

Do you get what appears to be sensible results from the /mailman/admin
and /mailman/listinfo pages?
Both of these pages tell me that there are no publicly-advertised
Mailman mailing lists on my server.
Do you get No such list when following links from the /mailman/admin
and /mailman/listinfo pages?
All the links bring me to a variation of the same page saying that 
there
are no publicly-advertised lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with mailman on apache2

2003-07-29 Thread Shane Hickey
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:09:21 +0100
Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The admin.py and listinfo.py CGI scripts use code that determines
 which lists are present on the system by listing the contents of the 
 directory defined by the MM configuration variable LIST_DATA_DIR, as 
 defined in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py or possibly overridden in 
 $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.
 
 I guess the first thing you could check is that LIST_DATA_DIR has the 
 you expect.

Ah ha!  That got me to the right place.  My $prefix (because of the
Gentoo ebuild) was /var/mailman.  I always thought that was odd. 
Anyway, I checked in /var/mailman/lists and everything looked good.  So,
then I did a locate for other directories named lists and found
/usr/local/mailman/lists.  Apparently, someone at Gentoo thought
/var/mailman was weird also.  So, in a recent ebuild they moved the
mailman home to /usr/local/mailman.  However, it didn't copy over any
lists from old installations.  I'm goodtimes now.  Thanks Richard!

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[Mailman-Users] Sending mail question

2003-07-29 Thread Christine De La Rosa
Prior to the upgrade on my server my mail was being sent out by
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Is this a correct setting?
 
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[Mailman-Users] Sendmail Aliases Setup

2003-07-29 Thread Wendall Cada
Hi all,

I have recently setup Mailman 2.1.2 on Redhat 8 using Sendmail. I have a 
problem when creating lists, there are no entries created in /etc/aliases and 
the aliases.db isn't updated with the current information. Following the 
information in the FAQ, i was able to set this up manually, but only one 
alias works, the main list alias using mailman post method. However, there is 
a problem using the mailowner and mailcmd parameters, they don't appear to be 
valid. My question is this:

How do I set this up so when creating a list all the aliases are set up for 
me?

Also, how can I repair my existing list setups so that -owner, -request 
aliases work? What are the correct parameters for these?

TIA

Wendall


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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages stuck in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles

2003-07-29 Thread Abigail Marshall

Hello ben,

Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 12:29:06 PM, you wrote:

bs Hello,

bs I am having a problem with Mailman sending out messages.  It was working
bs fine then stopped working about a week ago.  I have mailman installed on
bs an unmanaged virtual host, and did not make any changes to mailman
bs itself.

bs When I send a message to any one of my lists I don't get a bounce or any
bs errors, and it of course doesn't show in the archive.  The website is
bs still up and all functions appear to be working.

bs In the directory /var/spool/mailman/qfiles there are a large number of
bs messages (all of them i think) (.msg and .db files).

bs I don't know how to start and stop mailman, in my bin directory there is
bs no mailmanctl file, but maybe that is only for older or newer versions
bs of mailman.

bs It is mailman 2.0.9 on redhat linux 7.3,

bs If anyone can help please email me directly or through the list.

Do you have digesting enabled?

There was a bug in some versions of 2.0 that causes problems
because of some character created by some email programs.
Somehow things get messed up with the digesting, and
basically nothing happens.  I honestly don't recall specific
details, though I did submit a bug report on it ages ago. I
never did get it fixed - I just disabled digesting for the
list where it happened.

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[Mailman-Users] default action on administrative requests

2003-07-29 Thread Hal Huntley
I sent this question a while back and had no reply. I didn't see my own
message come back to me by way of the mailing list, so I presume it did not
get out.

I'm using Mailman 2.1.2 with Python 2.1.3 with Solaris 8.

I've looked through the FAQ. I've seen a similar question on this list, but
the answer was get Mailman 2.1.  I now have 2.1.2, but this issue
still eludes me.

I have a list that gets more spam than legit email. I would like to have the
Action to take on all these held messages on the admindb/listname page
to have a default of discard instead of defer. This way I can quickly
scan the baddies and then submit all data once I see they are all spam;
no clicking on the Discard radio button.

I don't want to use the Privacy Options - Sender Filters option of:

 Action to take for postings from non-members for which no explicit action 
 is defined. 

to be discard.  I know that the messages would come to me with the:

 Should messages from non-members, which are automatically discarded, be
 forwarded to the list moderator?

but I really don't want the messages automatically coming to me; I want the
member of my list to receive it if I click Accept.

I've seen reference to a script that will just toss everything that is
queued up for a list; I would rather not do this.

Right now, I also wish this behavior for one list only, not as a default for
all the lists that I have.

What file do I need to change to make the default choice be discard
on the administrative requests page? 

Pointers to documentation gratefully accepted.

Thank you,

Hal Huntley
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail Aliases Setup

2003-07-29 Thread Wendall Cada
Ok, I figured out the parameters. Is there a utility that will configure my 
aliases file for my users when setting up lists? If not, I'll surely have to 
use another list manager...it pretty much makes it so i have to babysit my 
site users and i'd rather not do that. I was told that this is a very mature 
product by many others, if so, are there third party script resources 
available for this type of functionality? Should I put in an RFE for 
this?...I can't really believe that everyone is doing this manually for every 
list on their server.

TIA

Wendall

On Tuesday 29 July 2003 05:43 pm, Wendall Cada wrote:
 Hi all,

 I have recently setup Mailman 2.1.2 on Redhat 8 using Sendmail. I have a
 problem when creating lists, there are no entries created in /etc/aliases
 and the aliases.db isn't updated with the current information. Following
 the information in the FAQ, i was able to set this up manually, but only
 one alias works, the main list alias using mailman post method. However,
 there is a problem using the mailowner and mailcmd parameters, they don't
 appear to be valid. My question is this:

 How do I set this up so when creating a list all the aliases are set up for
 me?

 Also, how can I repair my existing list setups so that -owner, -request
 aliases work? What are the correct parameters for these?

 TIA

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