Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Richard Barrett]

On 22 Jan 2004, at 05:00, Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange) wrote:

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Brendan Pratt
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:49 PM
What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior
enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC
interpretation?

Absolutely nothing, but note that Outlook is not RFC non-compliant on 
this issue; what is displayed on the applications GUI is not covered by 
an RFC and is a matter between the developer, their conscience, and the 
end user.

Mailman is doing the right thing, by specifying the Sender address as
the list bounce address so that bounces go there, and the From: address
as the author of the message.  Unfortunately, Microsoft in its latest
versions of Outlook has decided to show both the Sender: and the From:
I am yet to be convinced that Outlook is conflating From: and Sender: 
headers. I suspect it may be conflating the From: and Return-Path: 
content but no matter; the observation about why is spot on.

addresses in the From: field so that it is easier to notice spam with
forged From: headers.  The two desires, to have bounces go to a 
different
address than replies and to display both the Sender address and the
From: address conflict.

There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if they
didn't have the Sender address be the list bounce address then all of
Mailman's bounce handling would no longer work, and the author of the
message would get flooded with bounces that they don't care about and
cant do anything about.
The fix would have to be for Outlook to have an option to not display 
the
Sender address in some cases, which is a fix that Microsoft would have 
to do.

Sorry, but this isn't something that the Mailman developers can do 
anything about.
Ari

In principle I agree with this conclusion but in practice I think it 
may be possible to offset the problem highlighted in the original post.

The post that started this thread said that Outlook is displaying 
something like this in the "From" field of its GUI:

 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On behalf of 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I suspect that what confuses/upsets/deters/induces-fear-in some Outlook 
users is the appearance of the string "bounces" in what is displayed; 
bouncing may have connotations for Outlook users which are not apparent 
to ordinary people and hence their concerns.

But suppose that what they saw displayed was instead:

 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On behalf of 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

That is to suppose that Mailman used an alias listname-sender (or some 
such) instead of listname-bounces as the return path for its bounce 
handling. After all, MM 2.0 used listname-admin and I do not remember 
this causing such angst as listname-bounces has since MM 2.1 arrived.

Would this defuse the objections being registered by Outlook users?

If so, then what I said to Jon Stethridge in a private communication, 
before he set this thread running, applies:


...
The best that might be otherwise be achievable would be a change in the 
alias used as the envelope sender from -bounces to something 
more palatable when it is displayed by Outlook. This would require a 
thorough trawl of the Mailman code to make sure this change did not 
lead to any undesirable side-effects.

Thus far nobody has volunteered for the task and, without a 
confirmation from Mailman's owner Barry Warsaw that he will fold it 
into the Mailman source tree, I doubt anyone is likely to commit the 
time and effort to implement and test the solution; there is also the 
issue of upgrading existing installations and the acceptability of that 
task to the site admins.


If this list's membership forged a consensus behind a manageable and 
relatively minor proposal to change Mailman, which did not compromise 
its adherence to RFCs, then maybe there is a way forward to suit most 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Rabinowitz, Ari (Exchange)]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Brendan Pratt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:49 PM
> 
> >What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior
> >enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC
> >interpretation?
> 
Mailman is doing the right thing, by specifying the Sender address as 
the list bounce address so that bounces go there, and the From: address
as the author of the message.  Unfortunately, Microsoft in its latest 
versions of Outlook has decided to show both the Sender: and the From:
addresses in the From: field so that it is easier to notice spam with
forged From: headers.  The two desires, to have bounces go to a different
address than replies and to display both the Sender address and the 
From: address conflict.

There is no way for the Mailman developers to fix this, since if they 
didn't have the Sender address be the list bounce address then all of
Mailman's bounce handling would no longer work, and the author of the
message would get flooded with bounces that they don't care about and
cant do anything about.

The fix would have to be for Outlook to have an option to not display the
Sender address in some cases, which is a fix that Microsoft would have to do.

Sorry, but this isn't something that the Mailman developers can do anything about.
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[Mailman-Users] list admin options

[eppinett]

Hello,

Does mailman have a web-interface option for the list manager to mass delete 
all list subscribers?  I know the site admin can do this from the shell 
command line, but I've got a new list owner that needs to frequently 
repopulate the list subscribers from a separate database import.  I am 
currently running Mailman v.2.0.11 and I realize I may need to upgrade.

Thanks,

Chance Eppinette


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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Brendan Pratt]

At 02:32 PM 22/01/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior
enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC
interpretation?


What is wrong with this idea, is that it means Mailman is going against the 
RFC that it currently obeys, to work with something that is broken.

What should happen is get the broken package fixed, rather than make a 
unbroken package broken.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[gagel]

 
I do not disagree with you.
Consider this...
 
Why would stupid corporate exec's who more often than not, throw good
money after bad, change anything they are doing? Especially when
Micro$cof has the market and the exec's can simply order a change to
suit their concept of what might be wrong.
 
What is wrong with the mailman authors making their product superior
enough to compensate for Microdummies poor programing and faulty RFC
interpretation?
 
- Original Message Follows -
> 
> > I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on
> > outlook and displaying addresses...
> 
> Why would stupid behavior in Outlook be considered a mailman bug?
> If people want to use Microsoft's Virus Propagation Wizard to mangle
> their mail, that should be their problem.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> Today's whimsy: http://www.cs.utah.edu/~mjb/mars.jpg
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix

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At 12:16 PM +0900 2004/01/22, Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

 I mean NO. You don't have to re-install Mailman but ...
 But you should read README.POSTFIX and do some post-install
	Correct.

	Keep in mind that postfix was designed to be as much of a drop-in 
replacement for sendmail as possible, at least to the degree of the 
interfaces, the names that binaries are called, etc  So, you'll 
still have a program on your system called "sendmail", it will just 
point to the postfix code instead.

	Nevertheless, such a replacement is never 100%.  You should look 
at the system carefully to make sure that you fully understand 
everything that is going on before and after the switch.

	Then you should look closely at the postfix documentation and 
make sure that you've got everything configured the way you want, 
because the way sendmail does most things is very, very different 
from the way postfix does them (at least, at the admin level).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail to Postfix

[Jon Carnes]

On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 22:03, David Gibbs wrote:
> T. Glen Haggard wrote:
> > What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
> > re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix?
> 
> Mailman doesn't really care what MTA you are using.
> 
> So, yes, you should be able to just remove sendmail and install postfix 
> and you're good to go.
> 
> david
> 
The only caveat to this is that Postfix will run the aliases as the
user/group that owns the aliases file (normally root).  If you go this
route, you will have to make sure that the owner/group of the
/etc/alaises file is mail/mail (or whatever Sendmail was using for its
user/group).

Otherwise when the Mail-cgi's are executed Mailman will see them as
being run by an unauthorized user and give a warning (and no mail).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix

[Jon Carnes]

On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 21:53, T. Glen Haggard wrote:
> What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
> re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Glen
> 
Postfix is pretty much a drop and insert replacement for Sendmail. You
need to install Postfix, get it running as the local MTA with
appropriate rights and then move your Mailman aliases over to a separate
aliases file ~mailman/data/aliases that is owned by user/group mailman.
Then tell Postfix about both the /etc/aliases database and the
~mailman/data/aliases database.

Next you need to rerun ./configure and tell it that the mail cgi's will
be run by the group "mailman" rather than "mail".
  ./configure  --with-mail-gid=mailman

Then run make install.  That should update the cgi's and not disturb
your lists at all.

In your ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py file you might also want to change
the value of MTA to "Postfix" so that it integrates with Postfix nicely:
   MTA = 'Postfix'

The README.POSTFIX also has some relevant settings that will help you
transition to Postfix smoothly.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix

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Tokio Kikuchi wrote:

T. Glen Haggard wrote:

What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install 
Postfix?

Yes. 
I mean NO. You don't have to re-install Mailman but ...
But you should read README.POSTFIX and do some post-install
procedures like edit /etc/postfix/main.cf and exec bin/genaliases.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix

[Tokio Kikuchi]

T. Glen Haggard wrote:

What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix?
Yes. But you should read README.POSTFIX and do some post-install 
procedures like edit /etc/postfix/main.cf and exec bin/genaliases.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Sendmail to Postfix

[David Gibbs]

T. Glen Haggard wrote:
What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix?
Mailman doesn't really care what MTA you are using.

So, yes, you should be able to just remove sendmail and install postfix 
and you're good to go.

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[Mailman-Users] Sendmail to Postfix

[T. Glen Haggard]

What would I have to do to switch from Sendmail to Postfix? Would have to
re-install Mailman or can I just switch remove Sendmail and install Postfix?


 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

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--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:56 PM -0600 Linda Pahdoco 
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If only life were that easy.

So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate
people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?"
We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one.
To which I reply:

Seems like you've got your answer.  You don't like the way Mailman works 
with M$ Outhouse.  The folks who maintain Mailman don't think it's broken, 
so aren't likely to fix it to work around Outhouse's perversions.  If you 
must use Outhouse, then you probably can't use Mailman.  End of story.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

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--On Wednesday, January 21, 2004 4:09 PM -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The link to file a bug report is here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103
The above should be one line.
I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook
and displaying addresses...
File your report there.
To which I reply:

Why file a bug report on Mailman, when the bug is in Outhouse?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

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At 11:37 AM +1000 2004/01/22, Brendan Pratt wrote:

 Perhaps someone out there could put together a list of very specific
 bugs with Microsoft lookOut and lookOut Express, in a bug report
 format, and then place it online somewhere so that we could all
 direct our clients to. This way the client can then post an
 appropriate BUG report to microsoft in order to get them to fix up
 their buggy clients.
	Good idea.  Where are you going to put this page?

 Not a good idea, as it will cause client troubles down the track.

 Keep their clients as 'standard' as possible, because a little bit
 of knowledge can be a very dangerous thing in the hands of some of
 our customers !!!  :-)
	I wasn't suggesting that users be told how to do this.  I was 
thinking that the local Outlook admin would do this for all their 
users, so as to protect them from further Microsoft stupidity and 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Brendan Pratt]

Hi Brad,
At 10:33 AM 22/01/04, you wrote:
At 5:56 PM -0600 2004/01/21, Linda Pahdoco wrote:

 So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate
 people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?"

 We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one.

I can't imagine that Mailman would be the only offender that your 
corporate people would complain about, and once you "fix" Mailman, what 
do you tell them about all the other bazillion places on the Internet 
that do the same thing?  If you fix this one thing, they're going to 
expect you to fix everything else, too.
Perhaps someone out there could put together a list of very specific bugs 
with Microsoft lookOut and lookOut Express, in a bug report format, and 
then place it online somewhere so that we could all direct our clients to. 
This way the client can then post an appropriate BUG report to microsoft in 
order to get them to fix up their buggy clients.

All the Admins in the world can't do much, but if all our clients report 
via an appropriate looking BUG report format, then they can not simply 
ignore their BUGS anymore.

Perhaps a better option would be to see if there is a way to 
modify Outlook so that it doesn't do this kind of stupidity, or to use 
the built-in scripting features to change this header to something else.
Not a good idea, as it will cause client troubles down the track.

Keep their clients as 'standard' as possible, because a little bit of 
knowledge can be a very dangerous thing in the hands of some of our 
customers !!!  :-)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:56 PM -0600 2004/01/21, Linda Pahdoco wrote:

 So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate
 people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?"
 We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one.
	If Outlook is inappropriately munging the "Sender:" and "From:" 
headers together, then your only option may be to change the Mailman 
source code so that it does not use that field.  Of course, Mailman 
is using that field in the RFC-approved manner, as do many, many 
other programs in this world.

	I can't imagine that Mailman would be the only offender that your 
corporate people would complain about, and once you "fix" Mailman, 
what do you tell them about all the other bazillion places on the 
Internet that do the same thing?  If you fix this one thing, they're 
going to expect you to fix everything else, too.

	Perhaps a better option would be to see if there is a way to 
modify Outlook so that it doesn't do this kind of stupidity, or to 
use the built-in scripting features to change this header to 
something else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Mark J. Bradakis]

I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook
and displaying addresses...
Why would stupid behavior in Outlook be considered a mailman bug?
If people want to use Microsoft's Virus Propagation Wizard to mangle
their mail, that should be their problem.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[gagel]

The link to file a bug report is here:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=100103
The above should be one line.
I could find nothing in the archive about open bug reports on outlook
and displaying addresses...

File your report there.


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> 
> If only life were that easy.
> 
> So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of
> corporate  people who belong to your mailing list to not use
> outlook?"
> 
> We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one.
> 
> LP
> 
> 
> 
> From: Thomas Hochstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook
> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100
> 
> 
> 
> If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman.
> 
> 
> 
> Ugly - but Outlook. :)
> 
> 
> 
> Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it mangles From: and
> Sender: together.
> 
> -tth
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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Linda Pahdoco]

If only life were that easy.

So I'm supposed to tell my client "Just tell the hundreds of corporate 
people who belong to your mailing list to not use outlook?"

We're looking for a real life answer, not a perfect world one.

LP



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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:02 +0100


If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman.



Ugly - but Outlook. :)



Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it mangles From: and
Sender: together.
-tth

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[Mailman-Users] Perl API

[Tony Rice]

I've looked through the archives and saw the question asked but no answer.

Is there a Perl API available for mailman?  I'd like to integrate mailman 
list membership into a web app that already has an established user record 
for each user.
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>> I thought about using the same alias-File for all mailman
>> installations..., but I don't know how mailman checks if a list
>> allready exists or not. Is mailman only searching through the alias
>> file to check if a list allready exists or is a database used, where
>> the listnames and other things are stored. Is the alias file checked
>> first and would a new list only be created, if the name for a new list
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>> I think I have to take a look in the mailman code :-(. Or do you have
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server?

[Mark London]

At 2:56 PM -0500 1/21/04, Jon Carnes wrote:
On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 12:16, Mark London wrote:
 I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a
 different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers
 them!  Has anyone actually done it?  I'm keeping the same path names
 for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I
 > can create a list and that works fine).  Thanks!

Many of those folks have been answered, but when the question and answer
have been in the FAQ for a Long Long time, we old-time Mailman guru's
often ignore the question.
It's trivial to move to another server. If you keep the same domain name
(and host name) it's even more trivial.
If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the
Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist:
  ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 
Hi - THANKS!  Unfortunately, that information is not in the FAQ file 
which comes with the source distribution. Also, the online mailman 
wizard basically doesn't give you that information also.  The only 
relevant topic there is "How do I
migrate a list from one box to another?", but unfortunately, the 
answer to that topic has never been filled in!  Still under 
construction.  Even if you do a search for fix_url, the only relevant 
topic is "Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the 
web interface?"  Most of that topic talks about virtual hosts, and 
the information about fix_url only occurs way at the end of the 
answer, and only briefly described in the following sentence: "If you 
want to update existing lists the $prefix/bin/withlist script 
$prefix/bin/fix_url.py is your friend for resetting things. Just run 
fix_url.py to get its usage"   This sentence only makes sense to me, 
after reading your email message! :)

And then try using google to search for "moving mailman" or "move 
mailman" or "migrating mailman".   The information about fix_url is 
basically not there.

So basically someone finally has to answer the unanswered topic in 
the FAQ wizard. :)   -Mark
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Re: [Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Thomas Hochstein]

"Jon Stethridge" schrieb:

> I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being
> incorrectly reported in Outlook.  I am guessing since nothing has been
> posted to the list this is still a current problem.

If it is a problem, it's not a problem with Mailman.

> I can report that the
> latest version of Outlook 2003 reports:
>  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On behalf of
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Ugly - but Outlook. :)

> I don't really want to ditch mailman but I don't have any alternative as
> this is unacceptable to our customers. Any feedback on how others are
> dealing with this much appreciated.

Don't use Outlook if you don't like the way it mangles From: and
Sender: together.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman. Hope you can help?

[Erick Mechler]

:: I use the mailman list quite extensively but need to extract the email
:: addresses to invite to another list.  How do you download a text format of
:: all the members.  I have over 8000 of them to much to copy and paste.

See the ~mailman/bin/list_members script.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server?

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:56 PM -0500 2004/01/21, Jon Carnes wrote:

 If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the
 Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist:
   ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 
	Regrettably, this does not work for people who do not have 
command-line access to the system, which appears to be an 
increasingly common situation these days.  It really would be nice to 
be able to get web-enabled versions of all the command-line functions 
that can be performed.

	At least that way, we shouldn't have to worry about cPanel or 
other virtual hosting companies causing problems for *us* when they 
don't provide command-line access to their clients.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server?

[Jon Carnes]

On Wed, 2004-01-21 at 12:16, Mark London wrote:
> I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a 
> different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers 
> them!  Has anyone actually done it?  I'm keeping the same path names 
> for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I 
> can create a list and that works fine).  Thanks!
> 
> Mark
> 
Mark,

Many of those folks have been answered, but when the question and answer
have been in the FAQ for a Long Long time, we old-time Mailman guru's
often ignore the question.

It's trivial to move to another server. If you keep the same domain name
(and host name) it's even more trivial.

If your host name changes then in version 2.1.x you need to use the
Mailman command "fix_url" in conjunction with withlist:
  ~mailman/bin/withlist -l -r fix_url  -u 

If that works for you, then I challenge you to answer the next ten folks
who ask it on the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server?

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:16 PM -0500 2004/01/21, Mark London wrote:

 I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a
 different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers
 them!  Has anyone actually done it?  I'm keeping the same path names
 for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I
 can create a list and that works fine).  Thanks!
	I'm going to be moving some lists later this month.  I imagine it 
should be pretty easy -- I won't try to copy any of the existing 
mailman configuration files, merely replicate them (as appropriate) 
on the new server.  I will also make a few modifications to them, as 
I set them up.  For one thing, all interactions with mailman will now 
be SSL-encrypted.

	Once the lists are up and tested and shown to be running 
correctly, it should be a simple matter to turn off the old server, 
change the aliases to forward to the new one, change the MX records, 
turn the old server back one, and import the old archives while 
waiting for everyone to pick up the DNS changes.

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[Mailman-Users] Several upgrade questions

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

I came from 2.0.x to 2.1.4:

0) Oh, it's gotten so much better now.

1) VERP is great, but can I switch it on/off on a per-list basis?
2) How frequently does the queuerunner process the bounce queue?

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[Mailman-Users] problem uninstalling mailman

[Hugo]

hello, i install mailman from the tar file. and after reading a bit more
i whant to use the rpm. but i think i better un install first, but how
???.

thank your for any help

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[Mailman-Users] Anyone move their mailman to different server?

[Mark London]

I've seen a bunch of people asking about how to do a move to a 
different server (with a different IP name), but no one ever answers 
them!  Has anyone actually done it?  I'm keeping the same path names 
for everything, but the lists don't show up on the web interface (I 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to block spiders?

[Skip Montanaro]

Paul> Normally with an apache web server you can just place a robots.txt
Paul> file in the root of the documents directory.  Not sure how one
Paul> might be able to do this with mailman.

Paul> When you take a look at the archives for a list, one sees

Paul>http://server-name/pipermail/list-name/

Paul> Since there isn't a pipermail directory, one can't just place a
Paul> robots.txt file in that directory.  

The robots.txt file only belongs in the server root.  Placing it lower in
the hierarchy isn't supported, and I doubt any spiders/crawlers would look
for it lower down.  Instead, add a Disallow: rule which references
/pipermail:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /pipermail/

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[Mailman-Users] MODERATOR

[Marius Venter]

When I send a message the mail goes through but it does not inform the
moderator about the request, although it is set to force moderation. It also
does not send the message to the members. The mail does not bounce back
which means it goes somewhere. Please help
 
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[Mailman-Users] From field displayed by MS Outlook

[Jon Stethridge]

Hi,
 
I think like so many others I am effected by the from: address being
incorrectly reported in Outlook.  I am guessing since nothing has been
posted to the list this is still a current problem. I can report that the
latest version of Outlook 2003 reports:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On behalf of
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't really want to ditch mailman but I don't have any alternative as
this is unacceptable to our customers. Any feedback on how others are
dealing with this much appreciated.
 
Cheers, 
 
Jon
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[Mailman-Users] Deleting unwanted messages from the archives.

[brat]

how do i erase unwanted message archives?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?

[Jason A. Trommetter]

Mailman should play nice with cygwin which you can install on your
windows 200 machine.
http://www.cygwin.com/


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To: "Ana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 20 Jan 2004 09:38:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] How to use Mailman with windows 2000?

On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 07:18, Ana wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I read in the requeriments page that Mailman currently not work on windows.
> I need to now if someone manage to work it in windows and how to did it?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
Here's the deal...

You can get Mailman to work on Windows.
It requires so much expertise to get it working that you might as well
simply install a Linux box - on which it is trivial to install.

The choice of a gnu generation is yours to make,

Jon Carnes


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[Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman. Hope you can help?

[Greg Hays]

I use the mailman list quite extensively but need to extract the email
addresses to invite to another list.  How do you download a text format of
all the members.  I have over 8000 of them to much to copy and paste.

PLEASE HELP!!!

Greg Hays
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Webforce Design
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman/Postfix/Mysql Qeustion; (and qmail...a bit)(SOLVED)

[Remko Lodder]

elvandar.org needed to be a local delivery since that seems to be my primary
host.
I Migrated my current users to another domain and virtual-aliased them.

Now local delivery makes sure the aliases are read and the mail gets pumped
into postfix/mailman.

Qmail is totally gone now.

Note: When turning on postfix again it made a hell lot of queries to the SQL
db.
  it responded with too many connections, increase your max_connections
when
  you have the same issue.

Thanks all,

regards,
remko


> Hi
>
> I Recently installed Mailman with Qmail, delivered with aliases using
> the vdelivermail options.
>
> After that i migrated to postfix and SQL, Mailman migrated along,
>
> the only problem is that i need my delivery for mailman as vdelivermail
> since it does not understand my postfix_virtual -> postfix_alias
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> blabla (Virtual)
> blabla "| mailman commands " -> Alias
>
> reply:
>
> No such user [EMAIL PROTECTED],
>
> Is there anyone who has this problem, knows whatever i can try to get it
> working with
> postfix only (including delivery :) )
>
> I would love to hear that from you  :)
>
> Note: The sending from mailman using postfix works alright! :)
>
> Cheers
>

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[Mailman-Users] How to block spiders?

[Paul F. Williams]

We are running mailman-2.1.1-4 on Redhat 9.

How can I block spiders from indexing
the public archives on our site?
Normally with an apache web server you can
just place a robots.txt file in the root of
the documents directory.  Not sure how one might be
able to do this with mailman.
When you take a look at the archives for a list, one sees

  http://server-name/pipermail/list-name/

Since there isn't a pipermail directory, one can't just place
a robots.txt file in that directory.  Perhaps one could put
a robots.txt file in each list directory, but that would take
a lot of work with many lists and you would need to update
it all the time as new lists get added.
Suggestions, clarifications, or explanations are more than welcome.

Thanks,

paulw

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[Mailman-Users] error on create a new list

[Rodrigo Brasil do Couto]

Dear friends,

When I created my first list, mailman returned this error:  Error: Unknown virtual 
host: fgvrj43.fgv.br

What can I do? My mailman version is 2.1.4

Thanks for your help.

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[Mailman-Users] Disabling email commands

[Michael Fischer v. Mollard]

Hello!

In the CVS log for the email commands is stated:

'- you can disable, change, or add commands on a per-list (or even
 per-message or per-sender) basis'
Any hints on how to do that?

Thanks
Michael
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Errors with htdig

[Richard Barrett]

Clyde

In your post of Tue Jan 20 2004 to mailman-users you said:

> Hi all
>   I upgraded to mailman 2.1.4 and I added the indexing and htdig 
patches
> to have searchable archives. Everything seems to be working, but I 
keep
> getting this error from the nightly_htdig cron job.  What am I doing
> wrong?
>

Look under the heading "Permissions Considerations" in the 
INSTALL.htdig-mm file installed by the #444884 htdig integration patch. 
You may be encountering the issue discussed there.

>
> DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
> DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied
> DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.metaphone.db: Permission denied
> DB2 problem...: /var/lib/htdig/db.soundex.db: Permission denied
>
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