Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier - problem solved

[Richard Barrett]

On 2 Jul 2004, at 04:32, Lindsay Haisley wrote:
OK, the issue was that mailman, when generating VERP address for the
envelope sender address for monthly password mailouts uses the _fully
qualified domain name_ of the list server system, e.g.
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

The info in the following FAQ entry might help in adjusting the MM 
config to fix that:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp
Courier's authentication
database had an entry for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" but not one for
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  Adding an appropriate entry in the auth db 
for
the latter solved the problem and I could safely remove my hack.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to appear instead of the email address?

[John W. Baxter]

On 7/1/2004 12:02, "Brad Knowles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 7:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Avi M. Spiegel wrote:
> 
>>  We are trying to send out a mailman message.  When people receive our
>>  message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people
>>  think it's spam.  How can we make it so that the name of the person posting
>>  is listed in the from column?
> 
> See .

Hi, Avi,

But keep in mind that users are also being conditioned to view vaguely
familiar or unknown names in the From column as being likely spam, thanks to
the creativity of the current crop of spammers.

You'll likely have a different set of list users toss the messages after you
make the change.  The intersection of the two sets probably isn't empty,
either.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier - problem solved

[Lindsay Haisley]

OK, the issue was that mailman, when generating VERP address for the
envelope sender address for monthly password mailouts uses the _fully
qualified domain name_ of the list server system, e.g.
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  Courier's authentication
database had an entry for "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" but not one for
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]".  Adding an appropriate entry in the auth db for
the latter solved the problem and I could safely remove my hack.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Benjamin Lotto]

On Jul 1, 2004, at 5:02 PM, Benjamin Lotto wrote:
On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Dan Phillips wrote:
Something just occurred to me (I can be pretty slow at times). Have 
you posed these questions to the OS X server mailing list at 
http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server/ ? Since I 
installed MM on 10.2, before Apple started providing it, I've never 
thought to ask MM questions there, but if this is something related 
to Apple's version, that should be a good place to start...
Thanks to this very helpful suggestion, I poked around the archives of 
the Apple Mac OS X server list.  Someone there suggested that deleting 
the troublesome config.pck.last files would do the job.  So I tried 
deleting them and ... I got an error!

rm: config.pck.last: Invalid argument
After fiddling around, I discovered the renaming config.pck.last 
allowed me to delete it.

Everything seems to be working fine (for now).
Thanks for all of you who sent me helpful suggestions.
-Ben
Well, I spoke too soon.  Things seem to have broken again.  One of the 
cron jobs seems to be corrupting config.pck.last, at least in some 
cases.  I'll keep working on it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier

[fmouse-mailman]

Thus spake Richard Barrett on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 06:01:50PM CDT
> 
> On 1 Jul 2004, at 22:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >I solved this by hacking src/common.c so as to only compare the procces
> >group name with parentgroup if strcmp("mailman", mygroup->gr_name)
> >returns non-zero.  This solves the problem, but surely there must be a
> >more elegant solution.
> >
> 
> I do not grok courier but why on earth is the delivery of a message to 
> one list alias versus a message to another list alias done in some 
> different way by the MTA such that the euid/egid under which Mailman's 
> delivery script is executed is different? It seems to be this which is 
> causing the problem rather than some deficiency in Mailman's security 
> wrapper for its delivery script.

Courier delivers, by default, to Maildir structures in a user's filespace
and the MDA process sets it's user/group to match the user/group of the
delivery target.  Lists are set up as virtual mail aliases.  In this case,
courier runs as the user/group of the virtual mail user (vmail:courier), as
determined by the authentication database (or /etc/passwd) which belongs to
the 'courier' group.  When bounces come back to 'mailman-anything...' the
MDA runs as the user/group of the mailman user.  Mailman belongs to the
'mailman' group and isn't a virtual user but a real user.  You have to
understand how courier works, but it's entirely logical.

According to Sam Varshavchik, the principle developer of courier, the
user/group of the delivery process should be determined by the MySQL
authentication database, however it looks as if it's being determined by
the uid/gid set in /etc/passwd instead.  I'm going to approach the problem
from that angle and see if I can figure out what's happening and maybe get
courier to set the delivery gid independent of the mailman user gid.

> >>According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman at
> >>build time to accept any one
> 
> Yes one is selected at configuration time from the options your provide 
> and then that one is baked into the security wrapper you have hacked. 
> It is not a list of option for execution time of the wrapper.

OK, I misunderstood the INSTALL doc, and what you say matches the code. 
Thanks for the clarification.

The hack I did works, although it's not elegant, and since apparently I need
to solve the problem from the point of view of the MTA/MDA rather than
mailman, I'll let it stand until figure out what's going on.  I have lots of
people depending on the list server.  Opening up security so that it accepts
mail from group 'mailman' as well as group 'courier' won't get me
fire-bombed by the Bad Guys (not yet, anway :-)
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

[Brad Knowles]

At 4:50 PM -0700 2004-07-01, Raymond Mills wrote:
 I got a message with the subject line above that stated:
 Site list is missing: mailman
See .
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[Mailman-Users] Cron /usr/bin/python -S /var/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

[Raymond Mills]

Hello folks, I am new to a lot of this and I have a question. I saw a post regarding 
missing mailman but I am using plesk so I am not sure how to proceed

I got a message with the subject line above that stated:
Site list is missing: mailman

I set up and run mailman from a plesk 6/linux interface.

Any idea what this means or what has happened?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier

[Richard Barrett]

On 1 Jul 2004, at 22:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I solved this by hacking src/common.c so as to only compare the procces
group name with parentgroup if strcmp("mailman", mygroup->gr_name) 
returns
non-zero.  This solves the problem, but surely there must be a more 
elegant
solution.

I do not grok courier but why on earth is the delivery of a message to 
one list alias versus a message to another list alias done in some 
different way by the MTA such that the euid/egid under which Mailman's 
delivery script is executed is different? It seems to be this which is 
causing the problem rather than some deficiency in Mailman's security 
wrapper for its delivery script.

Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 03:17:23PM 
CDT
I'm using mailman as a list server with courier as my MTA.  The 
mailman user
is in /etc/passwd as belonging to primary group 'mailman'.  Mailman is
compiled with --with-mail-gid set to the group of the mail user.  
This is
set to 'courier' which works for most purposes, both posting and 
handling
bounces from list posts.

The one exception to this is the monthly password reminder postings 
which go
out with an address of "mailman-bounces+@bailey.fmp.com" as
the envelope sender, and if they bounce they come back to this 
address.
Courier delivers them to the mailman account where I have a 
.courier-default
file to pass them to a python script for processing.  Unlike list 
posts and
list post bounces, however, the delivering process runs as user 
mailman,
group mailman, and mailman rejects them because the group id of the
delivering process doesn't agree with the value of "courier" compiled 
into
the wrapper.

According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman 
at
build time to accept any one
Yes one is selected at configuration time from the options your provide 
and then that one is baked into the security wrapper you have hacked. 
It is not a list of option for execution time of the wrapper.

 of a set of groups specified in the
--with-mail-gid, but putting these in a quoted, space-spearted list as
arguments to the configure script doesn't work, and reading the code, 
I
don't see where such a multiple-name lookup is supported since the 
wrapper
uses a single strcmp call for the comparison.  Does this feature 
work?  If
so, what's the exact syntax for the target for --with-mail-gid 
required to
make this happen?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman and courier

[fmouse-mailman]

I solved this by hacking src/common.c so as to only compare the procces
group name with parentgroup if strcmp("mailman", mygroup->gr_name) returns
non-zero.  This solves the problem, but surely there must be a more elegant
solution.

Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, Jul 01, 2004 at 03:17:23PM CDT
> I'm using mailman as a list server with courier as my MTA.  The mailman user
> is in /etc/passwd as belonging to primary group 'mailman'.  Mailman is
> compiled with --with-mail-gid set to the group of the mail user.  This is
> set to 'courier' which works for most purposes, both posting and handling
> bounces from list posts.
>   
> The one exception to this is the monthly password reminder postings which go
> out with an address of "mailman-bounces+@bailey.fmp.com" as
> the envelope sender, and if they bounce they come back to this address.
> Courier delivers them to the mailman account where I have a .courier-default
> file to pass them to a python script for processing.  Unlike list posts and
> list post bounces, however, the delivering process runs as user mailman,
> group mailman, and mailman rejects them because the group id of the
> delivering process doesn't agree with the value of "courier" compiled into
> the wrapper.
>   
> According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman at
> build time to accept any one of a set of groups specified in the
> --with-mail-gid, but putting these in a quoted, space-spearted list as
> arguments to the configure script doesn't work, and reading the code, I
> don't see where such a multiple-name lookup is supported since the wrapper
> uses a single strcmp call for the comparison.  Does this feature work?  If
> so, what's the exact syntax for the target for --with-mail-gid required to
> make this happen?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Benjamin Lotto]

On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:43 PM, Dan Phillips wrote:
Something just occurred to me (I can be pretty slow at times). Have 
you posed these questions to the OS X server mailing list at 
http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/macos-x-server/ ? Since I 
installed MM on 10.2, before Apple started providing it, I've never 
thought to ask MM questions there, but if this is something related to 
Apple's version, that should be a good place to start...
Thanks to this very helpful suggestion, I poked around the archives of 
the Apple Mac OS X server list.  Someone there suggested that deleting 
the troublesome config.pck.last files would do the job.  So I tried 
deleting them and ... I got an error!

rm: config.pck.last: Invalid argument
After fiddling around, I discovered the renaming config.pck.last 
allowed me to delete it.

Everything seems to be working fine (for now).
Thanks for all of you who sent me helpful suggestions.
-Ben

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Benjamin Lotto]

On Jul 1, 2004, at 4:23 PM, Dan Phillips wrote:
On Jul 1, 2004, at 3:11 PM, Benjamin Lotto wrote:
Did you run 'check_perms -f'?
Yes (as root).  Followed by unshunt (as mailman) as Dan Phillips 
suggested.  I didn't get any errors.  However, I still get the same 
error when I try to login to some of my lists webpages, but not 
others.  I'm including what shows up immediately below.  I get 
similar errors when some of the cron jobs run.

Could this have anything to do with the fact that I (naively) set up 
a mailman list called mailman, so any e-mail to mailman goes to that 
list?  I tried to delete the mailman list (using rmlist) but I got an 
error similar to the others I've been describing.

Certainly, errors in sending the password reminders could be due to 
messing with a list called mailman, since that is the default "site 
list" name which is the address of record for sending out those pw 
reminders, although I don't know what Apple uses. Take a look at the 
top of mailman/data/sitelist.cfg; the first line should tell you the 
name of the site list. Another check to make is to run "bin/check_db 
mailman" and see what it tells you. After running unshunt, is 
qfiles/shunt now empty?
The "site list" is, in fact, "Mailman".
I ran the commands "check_db -v mailman" and "unshunt" as root.
The results of check_db -v mailman:
List: mailman
   /private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck: okay
   /private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.last: okay
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db'
[Errno 2] No such file or directory: 
'/private/var/mailman/lists/mailman/config.db.last'

As far as unshunt is concerned, the result was to reduce the number of 
files in qfiles/shunt to a small number.  There are now some files in 
qfiles/in and lots in qfiles/virgin.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman and courier

[fmouse-mailman]

I'm using mailman as a list server with courier as my MTA.  The mailman user
is in /etc/passwd as belonging to primary group 'mailman'.  Mailman is
compiled with --with-mail-gid set to the group of the mail user.  This is
set to 'courier' which works for most purposes, both posting and handling
bounces from list posts.
  
The one exception to this is the monthly password reminder postings which go
out with an address of "mailman-bounces+@bailey.fmp.com" as
the envelope sender, and if they bounce they come back to this address.
Courier delivers them to the mailman account where I have a .courier-default
file to pass them to a python script for processing.  Unlike list posts and
list post bounces, however, the delivering process runs as user mailman,
group mailman, and mailman rejects them because the group id of the
delivering process doesn't agree with the value of "courier" compiled into
the wrapper.
  
According to the mailman INSTALL document, one can configure mailman at
build time to accept any one of a set of groups specified in the
--with-mail-gid, but putting these in a quoted, space-spearted list as
arguments to the configure script doesn't work, and reading the code, I
don't see where such a multiple-name lookup is supported since the wrapper
uses a single strcmp call for the comparison.  Does this feature work?  If
so, what's the exact syntax for the target for --with-mail-gid required to
make this happen?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:41 PM -0400 2004-07-01, Benjamin Lotto wrote:
 Perhaps a pointer to some general information about how mailman works would
 be helpful?  I might be able to apply that knowledge to the apple setting.
	Pretty much all the documentation for Mailman will be linked from 
the page at .  There is also the FAQ 
wizard at , and the 
archives of the mailman-users mailing list at 
.  The archives are 
searchable, see 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Benjamin Lotto]

On Jul 1, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 1:06 PM -0400 2004-07-01, Benjamin Lotto wrote:
 I am a mailman neophyte who is trying to use mailman on Mac OS X  
Server
 (10.3.4).  Everything was working well until this morning when I got
 the following e-mail message.
	There's not really much support that we can provide for MacOS X  
Server.  See  
.

	I'm sure that someone will try to help, but you really need to talk  
to Apple.  They provided the software, and they customized it in ways  
that they have not informed us about.
Perhaps a pointer to some general information about how mailman works  
would be helpful?  I might be able to apply that knowledge to the apple  
setting.

I've noticed that there are a zillion files in qfiles/shunt.  All of  
them seem to be related to the once-a-month reminders that mailman  
sends out.  check_db told me that everything is OK.  Trying to access a  
couple of lists via the web page interface results in errors.  Others  
seem to work fine.

Any help would really be appreciated.
Thanks,
-Ben
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:06 PM -0400 2004-07-01, Benjamin Lotto wrote:
 I am a mailman neophyte who is trying to use mailman on Mac OS X Server
 (10.3.4).  Everything was working well until this morning when I got
 the following e-mail message.
	There's not really much support that we can provide for MacOS X 
Server.  See 
.

	I'm sure that someone will try to help, but you really need to 
talk to Apple.  They provided the software, and they customized it in 
ways that they have not informed us about.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] backup of membership list in Mailman

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:12 PM -0400 2004-06-30, John Calabria wrote:
 how can I backup the member list to a file?  can it be exported
 into outlook, a comma delimited file?
	See 
 
and look at the command "list_members".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to appear instead of the email address?

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Avi M. Spiegel wrote:
 We are trying to send out a mailman message.  When people receive our
 message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people
 think it's spam.  How can we make it so that the name of the person posting
 is listed in the from column?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of lists with population?

[Charles Sprickman]

Here's some really ugly perl that I slapped together last night.  I think
it does what the OP wanted.  It sends mail and writes a log.

Thanks,

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On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, Mark J. Bradakis wrote:

> Depending on your shell, something like
>
> foreach l ( `/your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists -b `)
>  echo -n $l
>  /your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_members | wc -l
>  end
>
> might do the trick.
>
>
> mjb.
> 
>
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>  -Albert Einstein.
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>#!/usr/bin/perl

# $Id: list-lists.pl,v 1.4 2004/07/01 19:12:55 spork Exp $

#  quick script to list all mailman lists and give a
#  subscriber count for each

$mailman_bin = "/usr/local/mailman/bin";
$lists_prog = "$mailman_bin/list_lists";
$members_prog = "$mailman_bin/list_members";
$owners_prog = "$mailman_bin/list_owners";
$mail_recip = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
$mail_from = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
$logfile = "/usr/local/adm/data/mailman-report.log";
$now = localtime;

open(LISTS, "$lists_prog -b |");

while () {
chomp;
push(@lists,$_);
}

close LISTS;

format MAIL_TOP =

This monthly report shows how many subscribers each hosted list
is using, who owns the list, and the list name.

Subscribers   List Owner   List Name
---   --   -
.
format LOG_TOP =

Subscribers   List Owner   List Name
---   --   -
.
format MAIL =
@<<   @<<  @
$member_count, $owner, $list
.
format LOG =
@<<   @<<  @
$member_count, $owner, $list
.


open(LOG, ">> $logfile") || die "Can't open log for writing\n";
print LOG "report for $now\n\n"; 
open(MAIL, "| /usr/sbin/sendmail -f $mail_from $mail_recip");
print MAIL "To: $mail_recip\nSubject: Monthly Mailing List Report\n";

while (<@lists>) {
$list = $_;
$member_count = 0;

open(OWNERS, "$owners_prog $list |");
$owner = ;
chomp($owner);
close OWNERS;

open(MEMBERS, "$members_prog $list |");
while () {
$member_count++;
}
close MEMBERS;

write MAIL;
write LOG;
#print "$member_count\t\t$owner\t\t$list\n";
}

print LOG "\nEND\n\n";
close MAIL;
close LOG;
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Extract list of lists with population?

[Mark J. Bradakis]

Depending on your shell, something like
foreach l ( `/your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_lists -b `)
echo -n $l
/your/path/to/mailman/bin/list_members | wc -l
end
might do the trick.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ??

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:15 PM +0530 2004-07-01, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
 I think I need a answer of a single question:
 How do I make sure that Mailman is not VERPing mails? And if I find that
 it is VERPing mails then how do I turn it OFF ??
	Go to the admin web page for your list.  Go to the "Non-digest 
options" sub-page.  The second item on the list should have a 
description of:

Should Mailman personalize each non-digest delivery?  This is
often useful for announce-only lists, but read the details
section for a discussion of important performance  issues.
(Details for personalize)
	Make sure that the radio button in the field to the right of this 
description is set to "No".  If not, change it to "No", and then 
click on the "Submit Your Changes" button at the bottom of the screen.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] removing subscribers from a file

[Richard Barrett]

On 1 Jul 2004, at 16:44, Con Wieland wrote:
Hello
I'm trying to use bin/remove_members with a file of addresses to be 
removed for input but I'm not getting the syntax correct. Can someone 
show me how they do it?

Probably the same format as is generated by $prefix/bin/list_members I 
should guess

thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ??

[Richard Barrett]

On 1 Jul 2004, at 13:45, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
Sorry
I think I need a answer of a single question:
How do I make sure that Mailman is not VERPing mails? And if I find 
that
it is VERPing mails then how do I turn it OFF ??

Look in Defaults.py for the comments about and the config variables 
that affect VERP to seee if it can be enabled and see what values they 
have there and if mm_cfg.py has overloaded them.

VERP'ing is done for different types of mail (regular postings, 
password reminders etc) depending on what the config variable settings 
are.

Check the personalization settings for the list concerned which will 
affect normal postings if allowed by the config variables..

Definitively, you can just check what your outbound MTA is logging to 
determine what it is receiving from Mailman. The 'To' line for an 
oubound mail should tell you what you need to know.

Do I need to re-configure my list? What is the parameter in 
sitelist.cfg
file which I need to change for this??

TIA
--yogesh

thanks
But I haven't any change. I am running postfix as it was. I observed 
the
thing when I fixed the problem with the ID and posted a test message.

I wrote VERP because, I remember such a setting exists. But in fact I
haven't changed anything.
Is this happening because few message to that ID had bounced and 
mailman
wants to be careful while sending mail to that ID so that in case it
bounces it will be easy to find the recipient address and increase his
bounce score ??

--yogesh

On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
hi,
I am using mailman with postfix.
While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had 
same
domain say "mydomain.com".

When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single 
mail
to
both the users.
I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it 
bounced
few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix)
has
started copying two separate mails to both the users?

What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users
from
the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy!
The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on
Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is
VERP'ed by Maiilman.
If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a
unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed.
You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were
generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to 
it
by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses.

Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing?
Please help/advice??
--yogesh


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman post from mailman@math.vassar.edu requires approval

[Benjamin Lotto]

I am a mailman neophyte who is trying to use mailman on Mac OS X Server 
(10.3.4).  Everything was working well until this morning when I got 
the following e-mail message.

On Jul 1, 2004, at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
following mailing list posting:
List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled
Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list

At your convenience, visit:
http://math.vassar.edu/mailman/admindb/mailman
to approve or deny the request.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cron Daemon)
Date: July 1, 2004 9:00:01 AM EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 209, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/cron/disabled", line 202, in main
mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save
self.__save(dict)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save
os.unlink(fname_last)
OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: 
'/private/var/mailman/lists/boardconfidential/config.pck.last'


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: confirm b9c1ca65ffe21fe79d376ba3a7b21dfd3b785ae3
If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.
Attempting to visit http://math.vassar.edu/mailman/admindb/mailman and 
typing in the password leads to an error.  Attempting to login to the 
admin page for the mailman list or the boardconfidential list leads to 
errors as well:

Traceback:
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main
main()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 194, in main
mlist.Save()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 515, in Save
self.__save(dict)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 487, in __save
os.unlink(fname_last)
OSError: [Errno 22] Invalid argument: 
'/private/var/mailman/lists/boardconfidential/config.pck.last'
Can someone give me a clue as to what's going wrong and what I need to 
do to fix it?  Thanks thanks thanks!!!

-Ben

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[Mailman-Users] Posting records

[G. Armour Van Horn]

One of the lists I moderate is fairly high volume, dedicated to art 
quilting. A subscriber noted this morning that we had 269 digests 
released in June, and wondered what the record was. Made me curious, 
does anyone track such things?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name toappear instead of the email address?

[Mark Sapiro]

Avi M. Spiegel wrote:
>
>We are trying to send out a mailman message.  When people receive our
>message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people
>think it's spam.  How can we make it so that the name of the person posting
>is listed in the from column?
>
> 
>
>When I send messages from my Outlook account to any other address its says
>my name in the From box.  When I send messages to the mailman listserv it
>lists the email address of the listserv in the From box.

See the FAQ entry at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp

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[Mailman-Users] removing subscribers from a file

[Con Wieland]

Hello
I'm trying to use bin/remove_members with a file of addresses to be 
removed for input but I'm not getting the syntax correct. Can someone 
show me how they do it?

thanks
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[Mailman-Users] Installing on a remote Win2K server

[Tracey McCartney]

Does anyone know offhand if Mailman can be installed on a remote shared 
hosting account running on Win2K?  I have a web host whose mailing list 
offerings are pretty lame.


Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory

[Hartmut Steffin]

Richard Barrett wrote:
short question: why are my messages shunt?
have you checked the Mailman error log to see if there is any indication 
of problems with these messages when they are being handled, presumably 
by the ArchiveRunner?
[snip]
oh yes .. why not look for the obvious first... sorry Richard.
some stupid guy - me :-( must have changed permission. did a chown -R and a chmod g+w.
seems to work now, at least i have new messages in the july archive.
but mailman does not seem to take care of old shunt messages?!
can i do something to get those messages into the archive?
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / regards
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[Mailman-Users] pl translation fix

[Paweł Gołaszewski]

Hello,

This is small pl translation fix. Without that message from moderator was 
ugly and causes line break in some MUA.

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-
My jsme borgové. Odpor je marný, budete asimilováni...--- ./messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.orgThu Mar 25 00:10:26 2004
+++ ./messages/pl/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.poThu Jul  1 11:58:02 2004
@@ -6743,8 +6743,7 @@
 #: Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:240
 msgid "Your message to %(listname)s awaits moderator approval"
 msgstr ""
-"Twoja wiadomość wysłana na listę %(listname)s czeka na \n"
-"potwierdzenie moderatora"
+"Twoja wiadomość na listę %(listname)s czeka na potwierdzenie moderatora"
 
 #: Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py:259
 msgid "%(listname)s post from %(sender)s requires approval"
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[Mailman-Users] Global NOMAIL?

[Tracey McCartney]

Hi:
I am the admin and one of three mods for an announce-only list.  Is there 
an e-mail command I can use to set everyone on the list to NOMAIL 
temporarily so that I can then turn mail back on for a few people in order 
to do some testing?  The list has about 435 subscribers, and using the web 
interface to set everyone's mail bit will get a little tedious.


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[Mailman-Users] backup of membership list in Mailman

[John Calabria]

Hello,

how can I backup the member list to a file?  can it be exported
into outlook, a comma delimited file?   

thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrading Panther Server basic install 2.1.2 to 2.1.5

[Thomas Waters]

Thanks Brad and Dan for your comments.
Mailman has worked really well for me, but as someone coming to Panther 
Server and Mailman from running a webstar server, it is a big jump- a 
BIG change.  Better docs to help the newbie/clueless would go a long 
way.  That said, the more I work in this "unix" environment, the easier 
it gets and the cooler it all seems.  But I still don't *think* unix 
enough to make it easy yet.  Anyway will give it a shot in the AM and 
see where I get to.

On Jun 29, 2004, at 7:18 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 4:14 PM -0400 2004-06-29, Thomas Waters wrote:
 OK. v So I have the 2.1.5 folder on the desktop.  Do I want to use 
the
 terminal and mv to move the directory to the location of the existing
 directly?
No, you don't want to do that.
Will this overwrite everything in /usr/share/mailman? Then
 run bin/update?  Or do I use the terminal to run bin/update from on
 the desktop?
	Problem is, we don't know the specific options that Apple used when 
they built the previous version.  You could try using "make update" 
from Terminal at the top level of the Mailman folder, but you'd need 
to make sure to specify the correct target Folder.  That might also 
miss some other build options.  Unfortunately, Apple didn't document 
anything, so we're pretty much completely blind.

	To do this right, I fear that you're going to have to do a complete 
fresh install and then copy over selected data.  You may (or may not) 
be able to copy over the configuration files, so you may be forced to 
regenerate that information.

	This is a typical problem with any vendor pre-packaged version of a 
program.  Do you stick with the package version, which the vendor is 
responsible for making sure works, or do you install the current 
version from source?

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[Mailman-Users] "from" column question--how can we get our name to appear instead of the email address?

[Avi M. Spiegel]

Hello:

 

We are trying to send out a mailman message.  When people receive our
message, the mailman email address is listed in the from column and people
think it's spam.  How can we make it so that the name of the person posting
is listed in the from column?

 

When I send messages from my Outlook account to any other address its says
my name in the From box.  When I send messages to the mailman listserv it
lists the email address of the listserv in the From box.

 

Please help!

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] listowners list?

[Norbert Bollow]

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> >  The listowner.org DNS entries are still there but I have no idea what
> >  has happened to the site or mailing lists associated.

The site is currently offline as the company has gone bankrupt which
used to provide a home and network connection for the machine hosting
it.  I'll try to find a little time soon to set it up again on one of
the machines which I use for my commercial stuff (they're all up and
running).  I have a recent backup of the list's data, hence it
shouldn't be a real problem.

Greetings, Norbert.

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[Mailman-Users] E-mail in different domain than list server?

[Alan Hagge]

We have a situation that I wouldn't think would be TOO unique, but I 
can't find a way to make it operate correctly under Mailman (version 
2.1.5 in this case, but tried with 2.1.1 as well).  Specifically, our 
e-mail domain is completely different than our web domain:

   E-mail domain:company.com
   Web domain:  org.othercompany.net
So in mm_cfg.py, I _think_ I should use:
   DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 'org.othercompany.net'
   DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'company.com'
   # Because we've overriden the virtual hosts above add_virtualhost
   # MUST be called after they have been defined.
   add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
But when I examine the pages that Mailman creates with these settings, 
various links appear to be using the DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST setting to 
generate the full URL, rather than the DEFAULT_URL_HOST.  For example on 
the main page, where the link appears for "the list admin overview 
page", the URL is:  http://company.com/mailman/admin , not 
http://org.othercompany.net/mailman/admin as I would have expected.  
Also, at the bottom of each lists' page, the link entitled "Overview of 
all  mailing lists" uses DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST.  Even the 
title of the main page shows "company.com Mailing Lists".

It seems to boil down to the use of Utils.get_domain(), which appears to 
use DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST to extract the name of the domain if the 
SERVER_NAME environment variable isn't set.  I would have assumed they 
would/shoud have used DEFAULT_URL_HOST instead.  At least that's what 
would work in MY case (I _think_, I haven't tried it yet).

Am I missing something?  Is there some other way to obtain the desired 
effect (ie. ONLY e-mails go to DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, ALL URLs are formed 
using DEFAULT_URL_HOST)?

Thanks,
Alan Hagge
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[Mailman-Users] list problems

[Kelli Marie Hustek]

Hello, 

For the second time now it seems that my list is not working.  It is doing 
the same thing it did the first time which is I am not being notified of new 
posts to the list and when I try and approve posts it will not send them to 
list memebers.  I am the list administrator and it will not allow me to post 
messages either.  The first time this happend it just started working again 
after a week.  This is extremely frustrating because this is a primary form 
of communication for my group. Our list is on dgmsu.org and the list name is 
deegee.  If you could tell me what I might do to fix this problem it would 
be extremely helpful. Thank you!] 

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up

[Poythress, Lynn]

Tokio,

I think that did the trick!  I added your suggestion to my mm_cfg.py
file and now I get the Mailman welcome page!  I can even get to the page
where you create new mail lists!

Thanks to all!

Let's see how much further I can get - it has definitely been a learning
experience!

Lynn Poythress
California State University, Sacramento

-Original Message-
From: Tokio Kikuchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 2:52 PM
To: Poythress, Lynn
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman browswer question - initial set up

Hi,

> When I'm on my web browser (IE) and I type
http://my.host.name.edu:5556
> - it brings up the generic Apache web page (5556 is our Apache port).
> Now, what do I type to bring up the Mailman page?  If I type
> http://my.host.name.edu/mailman - I get 'Cannot display page' and at
the
> bottom it says 'Cannot find server or DNS error'.

Looks like you should add
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:5556/mailman/'
in your mm_cfg.py file.
You should also type 'http://my.host.name.edu:5556/mailman/listinfo'
to display a start page.


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[Mailman-Users] listowners list?

[Steve Portigal]

I found this post in the archive, but no response. I'm also not 
getting anywhere with listowner.org - the domain is active and last 
was changed in January.

I have been using majordomo for many many years and am a couple of 
days into my first mailman list, as a customer of an ISP, and I'm 
looking for an appropriate resource to configuration help from my 
level (i.e., not the system access that the folks here are oriented 
towards).

Thanks so much for any info
Steve
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From: texas critter - mailman-users
Subject: [Mailman-Users] OT: Listowners list down?
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 17:13:55 -0700
Does anyone know what happened to the List Owners list at listowner.org?
The last post I got was on April 1st and the domain has been unreachable
since then too.
hth,
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[Mailman-Users] We have a serious problem.

[Jonathan West]

Dear Sir,

We have a very serious problem.  Someone is evidently using your
e-mail address services (under an unreachable e-mail address called
"imanway_imanway.com"), and then using my e-mail address and who knows
how many other e-mail addresses to spam people everywhere.

This is turning out to be a real mess.  Hundreds of messages
(supposedly from one of your address configurations) are clogging my
mail box.  I have also been receiving messages from folks who are also
getting heavily spammed in this manner and they are really mad.

Is there some authority we can turn this problem over to?  Is there
a way of finding out who is responsible for this?  Since our trace led
us directly to you, we desperately need your help.  I would really
appreciate your reply at your earliest convenience.

We really need to do something about this.  (A return message to me
with a subject header that states "Imanway Spam Reply" will be looked at
right away.)

Thank you for your time and considerations with this difficulty.

Most sincerely,

Jonathan West




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[Mailman-Users] Subscribe form in HTML email

[R. Anthony Mills]

Is there a way to include the subscribe form into HTML newsletters?
Currently have one:


http://mail.efluential.com/mailman/subscribe/sugar_efluential.co
m">
SUBSCRIBING to SUGAR
Subscribe to Sugar by filling out the following form. You will be
sent email requesting confirmation, to prevent others from gratuitously
subscribing you. This is a hidden list, which means that the list of
members is available only to the list administrator.

eMail:   


Name:   
 



but it gives the following message:

Sugar Subscription results
You must supply a valid email address.


Is there a suggested way to prevent from receiving this message?


- Mills.

 
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from accomplishing your goals -- fear and
self doubt. When you learn to trust yourself
and ask for help, the world gets a whole lot
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[Mailman-Users] List not responding

[Chronos Admin]

One of my lists has stopped responding. I can't access it via the web (when
I try to log-in it eventually times out). My other lists are still
accessible from the web.

I've tried stopping and starting mailmanctl, restarting sendmail, and gone
as far as restarting the virtual server.

I believe the problem started last night when Mailman attempted to sendout
the monthly password reminder.

One of the times I started mailmanctl I received the following errors:

chronos2 /usr/local/mailman/bin# ./mailmanctl start
Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
chronos2 /usr/local/mailman/bin# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 547, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 429, in main
kids = start_all_runners()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 267, in start_all_runners
pid = start_runner(qrname, slice, count)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 245, in start_runner
pid = os.fork()
OSError: [Errno 35] Resource temporarily unavailable

Then another time:

Starting Mailman's master qrunner.
chronos2 /usr/local/mailman/bin# Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
qrunner.run()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run
filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop
msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 143, in
dequeue
fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/commands/1088684958.8021281+92739f63570de338e869b
e2dda01000f8f833328.pck'

Any suggestions?

-Adam


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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ??

[Yogesh Subhash Talekar]

Sorry

I think I need a answer of a single question:
How do I make sure that Mailman is not VERPing mails? And if I find that
it is VERPing mails then how do I turn it OFF ??

Do I need to re-configure my list? What is the parameter in sitelist.cfg
file which I need to change for this??

TIA

--yogesh


> thanks
>
> But I haven't any change. I am running postfix as it was. I observed the
> thing when I fixed the problem with the ID and posted a test message.
>
> I wrote VERP because, I remember such a setting exists. But in fact I
> haven't changed anything.
>
> Is this happening because few message to that ID had bounced and mailman
> wants to be careful while sending mail to that ID so that in case it
> bounces it will be easy to find the recipient address and increase his
> bounce score ??
>
> --yogesh
>
>
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> I am using mailman with postfix.
>>> While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same
>>> domain say "mydomain.com".
>>>
>>> When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail
>>> to
>>> both the users.
>>> I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced
>>> few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix)
>>> has
>>> started copying two separate mails to both the users?
>>>
>>> What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users
>>> from
>>> the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy!
>>>
>>
>> The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on
>> Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is
>> VERP'ed by Maiilman.
>>
>> If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a
>> unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed.
>>
>> You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were
>> generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to it
>> by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses.
>>
>> Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing?
>>
>>> Please help/advice??
>>>
>>> --yogesh
>>
>
>
> --yogi
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ??

[Yogesh Talekar]

thanks

But I haven't any change. I am running postfix as it was. I observed the
thing when I fixed the problem with the ID and posted a test message.

I wrote VERP because, I remember such a setting exists. But in fact I
haven't changed anything.

Is this happening because few message to that ID had bounced and mailman
wants to be careful while sending mail to that ID so that in case it
bounces it will be easy to find the recipient address and increase his
bounce score ??

--yogesh


>
> On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> I am using mailman with postfix.
>> While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same
>> domain say "mydomain.com".
>>
>> When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail
>> to
>> both the users.
>> I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced
>> few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix)
>> has
>> started copying two separate mails to both the users?
>>
>> What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users
>> from
>> the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy!
>>
>
> The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on
> Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is
> VERP'ed by Maiilman.
>
> If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a
> unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed.
>
> You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were
> generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to it
> by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses.
>
> Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing?
>
>> Please help/advice??
>>
>> --yogesh
>


--yogi

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Re: [Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory

[Richard Barrett]

On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:33, Hartmut Steffin wrote:
hi guys,
short question: why are my messages shunt?
have you checked the Mailman error log to see if there is any 
indication of problems with these messages when they are being handled, 
presumably by the ArchiveRunner?

long description:
since a few days the archives are not updated. everything else works, 
i.e. you can send messages, subscribers receive a.s.o.
the archive does not reflect changes since a week or so. i looked into 
the directories. not only the html files are unchanged, but mboxes 
too. investigating further, i found a directory ~mailman/qfiles/shunt
which seems to hold all messages since the last update. is there a 
cronjob missing? did i do s.th. stupid in configration?

mailman-2.1.2-44
my cronjobs are:
0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
# 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
57 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives

permanently running processes belonging to mailman:
ps -f -U mailman
mailman  29958 1  0 Jun30 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -q start
mailman  29960 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:02 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29961 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:00 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29962 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:01 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29963 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:04 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29964 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:01 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29973 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:06 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29974 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:01 qrunner 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s

tia
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ??

[Richard Barrett]

On 1 Jul 2004, at 12:22, Yogesh Subhash Talekar wrote:
hi,
I am using mailman with postfix.
While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same
domain say "mydomain.com".
When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail 
to
both the users.
I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced
few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) 
has
started copying two separate mails to both the users?

What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users 
from
the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy!

The subject line of your post implies that you may have turned on 
Mailman's personalization to this list so that the return path is 
VERP'ed by Maiilman.

If that is the case then each subscriber will by definition be sent a 
unique message by Mailman for each posting distributed.

You would get a similar effect if, for instance, the MTA were 
generating VERP'ed messages from a single original message passed to it 
by Mailman but addressed to multiple addresses.

Could this be why you are seeing what you are seeing?
Please help/advice??
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[Mailman-Users] messages locked in "shunt" directory

[Hartmut Steffin]

hi guys,
short question: why are my messages shunt?
long description:
since a few days the archives are not updated. everything else works, i.e. you can send messages, subscribers receive a.s.o.
the archive does not reflect changes since a week or so. i looked into the directories. not only the html files are unchanged, but mboxes too. investigating further, i found a directory 
~mailman/qfiles/shunt
which seems to hold all messages since the last update. is there a cronjob missing? did i do s.th. stupid in configration?

mailman-2.1.2-44
my cronjobs are:
0 8 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs
0 9 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled
0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
# 0,5,10,15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55 * * * * /usr/bin/python -S 
/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news
27 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip
57 3 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_archives
permanently running processes belonging to mailman:
ps -f -U mailman
mailman  29958 1  0 Jun30 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -q start
mailman  29960 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:02 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29961 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:00 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29962 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:01 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29963 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:04 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29964 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:01 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29973 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:06 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman  29974 29958  0 Jun30 ?00:00:01 qrunner /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner 
--runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
tia
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / regards
Hartmut Steffin
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Re: [Mailman-Users] From Address and non-member posts

[Yogesh Subhash Talekar]

But suppose I really want to make sure that all recepients get the mail.
Then how can I detect that mail delivery has failed for some users?

It will simply keep me in dark and I may never know that someone is not
getting any announcement!

any advice??

--yogesh


> * Yogesh Subhash Talekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> hi
>>
>> two questions:
>>
>> 1. When I post to my mailming list the From address comes like
>> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Why can't I have the from address as the
>> address of the sender?
>
> Because that's where bounces go, and you want automatic unsubscription
> to work, don't you?
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[Mailman-Users] bounced messages and VERP ??

[Yogesh Subhash Talekar]

hi,

I am using mailman with postfix.
While testing mailman I created a list with two address. Both had same
domain say "mydomain.com".

When all was working fine, mailman/postfix used to copy a single mail to
both the users.
I had a problem with one of the IDs and the mail destined to it bounced
few times. Later I fixed it, but found that now mailman (or postfix) has
started copying two separate mails to both the users?

What has changed? Is this a problem ? I may add more than 3000 users from
the same domain and I don't want each user to get a separate copy!

Please help/advice??

--yogesh

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