Re: [exim] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim problem with very slow outgoing mail on one list

[Stephanie]

John W. Baxter wrote:
> On 3/28/2005 12:40, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The environment was earlier in the thread said to be unchanged.  I would ask
> Stephanie whether that environment extends to the local caching name server
> still working?  Changes to firewalling (specifically whether Ident has been
> foolishly dropped (instead of rejected) in a router or firewall, if Exim is
> set up to use it)?

The firewall I use is APF and other than adding some ROKSO spammer IP
addresses and the Spamhaus DROP list to it about once a week, there
hadn't been any changes to it.  I'm not using ident in Exim either. 
Nothing else on the server had changed or been updated except for my
normal maintenance of spam filters for Exim.  Mailman hadn't had any
changes at all for months, I installed the security patch from
February 10th a few days later and that's it.  I use cPanel/WHM for
managing my hosting customers but that hadn't had any updates in a
week, ten days before the mail delivery slowdown started.

As for DNS, Bind seems to be running fine - nameserver issues was the
first thing I thought of and after doing some checking, my server was
using external name servers hosted by my server host.  I changed that
to use my local nameserver but there was no change to the mail
delivery performance for that list.

I did uncover one bit of info today, this list is on a domain that
only hosts one other list (and practically nothing else, one tiny
website with very little activity and both lists do not keep Mailman
archives) and that other list is also having the same slow mail
delivery.  It hadn't had any posts in about a month and a message was
posted today, processed by Mailman and sent to Exim at 16:38 pm EST
today and it took 50 minutes for the message to go out from Exim to
the 226 members on individual mail delivery.  That pretty much the
same delivery stats as on the other larger list.

So now I suspect it's related to that domain.  I'm going to do some
digging in its hosting account settings, see if something got set
oddly for it.  It's one of my domains and for my own, I usually give
them all options and features with very few restrictions but I may
have mucked up something without realizing it.

Jeremy wrote:
> What's your system activity like during this 30 second pause?  If it's
> stuck in kernel or doing lots of disk I/O then I'd suspect the
> filesystem directory structure.  Can you shut down for long enough
> to copy the exim spool to a new tree and then rename it back into place?

I thought about the spool directory - Exim was set to
"split_spool_directory = yes", had been ever since the server was set
up in fall of 2003.  I changed it to "no", that made things worse (far
too many files in one folder, so I changed it back to "yes".  I'll try
your suggestion this weekend when traffic is lower, thanks much!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman on bluehost.com

[Terry Allen]

Our webhosting software, www.bluehost.com   offers
us mailman.  I want to create multiple mailing lists as a way to send out a
daily e-newsletter publication to some different subscriber lists.
However, I am finding it very confusing to use.  Do you have a support
Telephone # that I can call to walk me through it?
Please let me know at your earliest convenience.
Thanks,
Samantha Wiratunga
Hi again,
	I guess, probably the first thing is - can you explain what 
problems you are having in being confused.
	I personally find the Mailman web interface very intuitive. 
Surely bluehost.com are not providinh a command line interface are 
they? If you are using the web interface, then it's a matter of going 
to http://yourdomain.com/mailman/create & create your list using the 
options. Hope this helps.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Handling multiple subscriptions with one confirmation

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:12 AM -0800 2005-03-29, moto wrench wrote:
 I'm hosting several related list using MM 2.15 on Freebsd. I would
 like to  enable members to subscribe to several list with only one
 confirmation.
	Unless you're manipulating things behind-the-scenes, I don't 
think there's a way to do this with the current version of Mailman.

	Once you are subscribed with a given address, there is a way to 
do certain things to all lists for which that address is subscribed 
(e.g., change your address on all affected lists, set yourself to be 
NOMAIL, etc...), but this only works once you're subscribed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with mailman on bluehost.com

[Mark Sapiro]

Samantha wrote:

>Our webhosting software, www.bluehost.com   offers
>us mailman.  I want to create multiple mailing lists as a way to send out a
>daily e-newsletter publication to some different subscriber lists.
>
> 
>
>However, I am finding it very confusing to use.  Do you have a support
>Telephone # that I can call to walk me through it?

The mailman-users@python.org list has no such phone support. This is
something your hosting provider should provide for you. Whether or not
they do, you should see the documentation at
http://www.list.org/docs.html and the FAQ wizard at
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
In particular, article 3.11 in the FAQ discusses one-way or
Announcement lists.

If after consulting your provider and the above documentation you still
have specific questions, ask them here.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] digest options

[Mark Sapiro]

Jennifer Stanley wrote:
>
>i manage several discussion lists hosted by Dreamhost. for subscribers 
>who prefer digests, there are, it appears, few options for controlling 
>or customizing digest delivery. i had a request that digests be sent 
>weekly, but it appears that the frequency is dictated only by the size 
>of the volume. is there any way to (a) make digest delivery calendar 
>based rather than folder-size based? (e.g., sent weekly, daily, or 
>whatever, vs. after the folder reaches 30k or 250k or whatever) and/or

On the list's admin->Digest options page, set digest_send_periodic to
Yes. This will send a digest at intervals determined by the crontab
entry for 'senddigests'. The default is daily at noon (host time).

You can also cause a digest to be sent 'now' by setting
_send_digest_now to Yes and clicking "Submit Your Changes". Note: 
setting this value performs an immediate action but does not modify
permanent state.

>(b) is there any way to allow the subscriber to set these options for 
>themselves?

No

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[Mailman-Users] help with mailman on bluehost.com

[Samantha]

Our webhosting software, www.bluehost.com   offers
us mailman.  I want to create multiple mailing lists as a way to send out a
daily e-newsletter publication to some different subscriber lists.

 

However, I am finding it very confusing to use.  Do you have a support
Telephone # that I can call to walk me through it?

 

Please let me know at your earliest convenience.

 

Thanks,

 

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[Mailman-Users] filtering mp3's

[Darkman]

I added audio to my filter_mime_types, but does this also filter mp3's? I 
don't think mp3 isa mime type is it?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

Thanks Mark,
It works great!
Tamara
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From: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 

Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Okay, I'll do that, I'll let you know what happens.
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To: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Tamara Yoggev wrote:
All of these folders exist:
/var/mailman/archives/public/
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
It seems you may have run ./configure and make install more than once
with different --with-var-prefix values and without running make clean
in between.
Yes, I did do that, I would have thought that I ran make clean in 
between,
but there is a definite
chance I missed it, and just ran make by mistake (Since I ran configure
several times until I felt I got it right)

Do you suggest I run configure again and recompile?
That would be the safest. Now, make clean will only remove the last
installation (which is probably the good one).
If I were you, I would save my mm_cfg.py changes if any and remove
/var/mailman/ and /usr/local/mailman/ and the 2.1.6b4 source and
download beta 5 from http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b5.tgz and
rerun configure and make install.
That way, you'll know exactly what you've got.
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[Mailman-Users] digest options

[Jennifer Stanley]

hi.
i manage several discussion lists hosted by Dreamhost. for subscribers 
who prefer digests, there are, it appears, few options for controlling 
or customizing digest delivery. i had a request that digests be sent 
weekly, but it appears that the frequency is dictated only by the size 
of the volume. is there any way to (a) make digest delivery calendar 
based rather than folder-size based? (e.g., sent weekly, daily, or 
whatever, vs. after the folder reaches 30k or 250k or whatever) and/or 
(b) is there any way to allow the subscriber to set these options for 
themselves?

thanks,
jennifer
ps. Dreamhost tech support couldn't help me and recommended that i 
contact you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

Okay, I'll do that, I'll let you know what happens.
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From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Tamara Yoggev wrote:
All of these folders exist:
/var/mailman/archives/public/
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
It seems you may have run ./configure and make install more than once
with different --with-var-prefix values and without running make clean
in between.
Yes, I did do that, I would have thought that I ran make clean in 
between,
but there is a definite
chance I missed it, and just ran make by mistake (Since I ran configure
several times until I felt I got it right)

Do you suggest I run configure again and recompile?
That would be the safest. Now, make clean will only remove the last
installation (which is probably the good one).
If I were you, I would save my mm_cfg.py changes if any and remove
/var/mailman/ and /usr/local/mailman/ and the 2.1.6b4 source and
download beta 5 from http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b5.tgz and
rerun configure and make install.
That way, you'll know exactly what you've got.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

All of these folders exist:
/var/mailman/archives/public/
/var/mailman/cgi-bin/
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
/usr/local/mailman/archives/public/
It seems you may have run ./configure and make install more than once
with different --with-var-prefix values and without running make clean
in between.
Yes, I did do that, I would have thought that I ran make clean in between, 
but there is a definite
chance I missed it, and just ran make by mistake (Since I ran configure 
several times until I felt I got it right)

Do you suggest I run configure again and recompile?
Tamara

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To: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Tamara Yoggev wrote:
That's right, only after I fixed (in mailman.conf, which is included in
httpd.conf) the following :
This is what I originally had with my previous problem "no such list etc."
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/

Options +FollowSymlinks


There must be a set of wrappers in /var/mailman/cgi-bin/ These are
probably correct.
Where is the archives/public directory. Is there one in /var/mailman?

I changed this to (mailman is installed in: /usr/local/mailman):

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/

Does this directory even exist. Is there a set of wrappers it it?

Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/


Also does this directory exist?

Options +FollowSymlinks

After I made this change, which seemed to be reasonable to me, maybe I'm
wrong did I see the-
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Actually, there must be wrappers in /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ too or
you wouldn't see the "we hit a bug" message.
It seems you may have run ./configure and make install more than once
with different --with-var-prefix values and without running make clean
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

That's right, only after I fixed (in mailman.conf, which is included in 
httpd.conf) the following :
This is what I originally had with my previous problem "no such list etc."

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public/

Options +FollowSymlinks


I changed this to (mailman is installed in: /usr/local/mailman):

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/

Options +FollowSymlinks

After I made this change, which seemed to be reasonable to me, maybe I'm 
wrong did I see the-

We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Tamara
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To: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Tamara Yoggev wrote:
According to what I found in httpd.conf
User apache
Group apache
I used:
--with-cgi-gid=apache (Is there any way I could double check this? I ran 
the
configure a while ago, but I'm sure thats what I did)
It's probably OK. I forgot you started by asking about web create not
working. If you can get the web create page (or any of the web pages),
then the wrappers should be OK.
But I'm confused. You were able to get the create page before you
changed ScriptAlias, etc so you were getting to wrappers somewhere?


Are there any non-empty logs in that directory?
yes, smtp seems fine. and LOG_DIR  is pointing to the right place:
VAR_PREFIX = '/usr/local/mailman'
LOG_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'logs')
Is the error log group writable?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

According to what I found in httpd.conf
User apache
Group apache
I used:
--with-cgi-gid=apache (Is there any way I could double check this? I ran the 
configure a while ago, but I'm sure thats what I did)


Are there any non-empty logs in that directory?
yes, smtp seems fine. and LOG_DIR  is pointing to the right place:
VAR_PREFIX = '/usr/local/mailman'
LOG_DIR = os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'logs')
PLEASE tell me you've got more ideas.
Thanks,
Tamara

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To: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Tamara Yoggev wrote:
But now I'm having an even stranger problem!
when I go to http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/create I get the following:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6b4
Just guessing without the logs, maybe the wrappers aren't being
executed by the expected group. Did you use the --with-cgi-gid= option
when you ran configure? is this group the one that Apache uses to run
your cgi scripts?

and BTW, my /usr/local/mailman/logs/error file is empty!
Are there any non-empty logs in that directory?
Check Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for assignment to LOG_DIR to see if it
might be in other than the default location.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list

[Tamara Yoggev]

Thanks for the reply,
I figured that one out, my : scriptalias /pipermail/... and alias 
/mailman/... values in my mailman.conf file, which is included in apaches 
httpd.conf file weren't what they were supposed to be,
they were pointing to var/mailman/cgi-bin ..or something like that (Is that 
a default value?) instead of
usr/local/mailman...

But now I'm having an even stranger problem!
when I go to http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/create I get the following:
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6b4
We're sorry, we hit a bug!
Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but 
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

I tried to find the solution on the web, but couldn't find anything that 
really helped me. I found some answers regarding postfix
permissions. well, here are the permissions on my .../mailman/data folder:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] data]# ls -l
total 56
-rw-r-  1 root mailman41 Mar 28 01:28 adm.pw
-rw-rw  1 mailman  mailman  8772 Mar 28 02:06 aliases
-rw-rw  1 mailman  mailman 12288 Mar 28 02:06 aliases.db
-rw-r-  1 root mailman41 Mar 28 01:28 creator.pw
-rw-r--r--  1 aishlist mailman10 Mar 22 12:33 last_mailman_version
-rw-rw  1 mailman  mailman 6 Mar 28 03:19 master-qrunner.pid
-rw-r--r--  1 mailman  mailman 14110 Mar 22 12:32 sitelist.cfg
in main.cf for postfix configuration I've got:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/usr/local/mailman/data/aliases
and BTW, my /usr/local/mailman/logs/error file is empty!
Any ideas?
Thanks, I really appreciate your help
Tamara
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From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tamara Yoggev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Wierd Problem creating list


Tamara Yoggev wrote:
1) I went through all the install steps, created a site mailing list 
(mailman), and a few other mailing lists (tamara, tests, whatever).
I DO get the notification email from mailman-owner, the lists DO appear in 
the /usr/local/mailman/lists folder but when I go to the link:
 http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/tamara I get "No such list tamara"

You now have at least two error tracebacks in your mailman 'error' log
as a result of my attempts to go to
http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/tamara and
http://www.aishlist.com/mailman/admin/
What do they say?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 17:13 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
> Ok.  I fixed the errors.  The 403 Forbidden was caused by restoring 
> logical links dependent upon a different directory layout than that 
> used by CentOS4 (RHEL4), "/var/mailman/archives/public" vice 
> "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public."

The version of mailman in rawhide and the version set to appear in FC4
has a migration script that moves directories and files from the old
layout to the new FHS layout. It is located in /usr/share/doc/mailman-
*/contrib and documentation on the directory structure and change can be
found in /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[James B. Byrne]

Ok.  I fixed the errors.  The 403 Forbidden was caused by restoring 
logical links dependent upon a different directory layout than that 
used by CentOS4 (RHEL4), "/var/mailman/archives/public" vice 
"/var/lib/mailman/archives/public."

The logical links that got tarred from the old host pointed to 
" -> /var/mailman/archives/private/", which is 
a directory structure that does not exist on the new server, hence 
the error.  Repairing the logical links to " -> 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/" fixed that problem.

The problem with mapping the fqdn host to the mailman alias I 
accomplished by adding the following to the mailman.conf file.

# Stolen shamelessly from
# http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/rewriteguide.html
# [NC] No Case matching in regexp

RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}   !^inet07\.(.*)\.otherdomain\.tld [NC]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST}   !^$
RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://mailman.domain.tld/$1

# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your 
# server's name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo 
# page (recommended).
# [L,R] Last directive to match, Return without condition code.
# [R=###] is available as an alternative (### = condition code).

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ 
http://mailman.halisp.net/mailman/listinfo [L,R]

Thanks for the help.

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[Mark Sapiro]

James B. Byrne wrote:

>On 29 Mar 2005 at 9:49, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>> 
>> What happens if you go to
>> http://mailman.domain.tld/pipermail/transferlist/
>> 
>
>Forbidden
>
>You don't have permission to access /pipermail/transferlist/ on 
>this server.
>
>Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to 
>use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.


OK, now I'm really confused. I thought you said when you went to
http://.domain.tld/pipermail/transferlist/ you got the
above error, and if you went to
http://mailman.domain.tld/pipermail/ you got to the
archive.

Are you saying that that is correct, but going to an 'old list' archive
using either host name gives the 403? If that is the case, it must be
a permission issue. Check the group and permissions in the
archives/private/ directory for both old and new lists. If all that
looks OK, it might be a SeLinux issue. Search the archives with
http://www.google.com/search?&q=site%3Amail.python.org+inurl%3Amailman-users+selinux
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[James B. Byrne]

On 29 Mar 2005 at 9:49, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> 
> What happens if you go to
> http://mailman.domain.tld/pipermail/transferlist/
> 

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /pipermail/transferlist/ on 
this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to 
use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

> Do the directives in mailman.conf only apply to the
> mailman.domain.tld host?
> 

To my knowledge, no.  As far as I can tell the mailman.conf 
directives are applied across every IP address on the server.  
There are no other redirects specified elsewhere that deal with 
\mailman or \pipermail and I lack sufficient experience with http 
directives to know whether or not this situation can be resolved by 
adding a second Redirectmatch for the fqdn host or if that would 
just override the one for the mailman aliased hostname.

> Where are these hyperlinks of the form
> http://.domain.tld/pipermail/... Are they
> everywhere in the archive or just on the listinfo page? 

All the archives, both the testlist and the others, have embedded 
http links of the form:

testlist/2004-July/index.html:   http://mailman.domain.tld/mailman/listinfo/testlist";>More 
info on this list...

and

/thread.html:  http://mailman.domain.tld/mailman/listinfo/reallist";>


> Have you changed PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in mm_cfg.py? 

No.

Thanks,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Mark Sapiro]

Matthew A. Marshall wrote:

>I see the qrunner has the option of running in verbose mode.  However, I 
>do not see how to enable this option with the mailmanctl script.  I 
>would rather not go in and edit the qrunner script.  Is there something 
>obvious I'm missing?

You can run bin/qrunner manually, but --verbose won't help you. All it
does is:

if verbose:
syslog('qrunner', 'Now doing a %s qrunner iteration',
   qrunner.__class__.__bases__[0].__name__)

at the end of each loop.


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[Mailman-Users] Handling multiple subscriptions with one confirmation

[moto wrench]

Hello,

I'm hosting several related list using MM 2.15 on Freebsd. I would
like to  enable members to subscribe to several list with only one
confirmation.

Currently, I use a html form to collect user registration and
subscription information and then send an email with a reply-to header
to each list-request address.

I'm unfamiliar to mailman but scanning the archives leads me to
believe this might be possible. My idea is to create a new
subscription address and use the mailman libraries to generate
confirmation codes and then subscribe each confirmed email to the
owners selected list.

Can anyone with MM experience offer some insights on how this should be done?

TIA,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unable to subscribe.

[Matthew A. Marshall]

I see the qrunner has the option of running in verbose mode.  However, I 
do not see how to enable this option with the mailmanctl script.  I 
would rather not go in and edit the qrunner script.  Is there something 
obvious I'm missing?

Mark Sapiro wrote:
Matthew A. Marshall wrote:
 

This is what I see.  We have a mail router which accepts incoming email 
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]  This includes mailing lists.  The 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] gets forwarded to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   I see the message come in and 
get sent to mailman.  Nothing after that.  If I send the confirmation to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I see the message come in, get sent to mailman 
and then the welcome message sent back out.  This makes absolutly no 
sense as to why it works one way, but not the other.
   

It makes no sense to me either, but it seems that somehow the process
of forwarding from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is changing something in the
message other than just adding another Received: header. Does it
rewrite the envelope sender? I don't even know if this would matter -
just grasping at straws - but something must be going on in that
process.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[Mark Sapiro]

James B. Byrne wrote"
>
>!!!Archives unreachable??
>
>The Link to a transferred list's archives gives the following 
>error:
>
>Forbidden
>
>You don't have permission to access /pipermail/transferlist/ on 
>this server.
>
>Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to 
>use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Server at mailman.domain.tld Port 80
>
>
>/var/log/httpd/error_log:
>
>[Tue Mar 29 11:37:55 2005] [error] [client 216.185.xxx.xxx] 
>Symbolic link not allowed: 
>/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/transferlist
>
>However, a list that was created on the new machine links to its 
>own archives without problems.
>
>
>This is the mailman.conf file contents:
>
>/etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf
>
>#
>#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
>#
>
>ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/
>
>AllowOverride None
>Options ExecCGI
>Order allow,deny
>Allow from all
>
>
>
>Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
>
>Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
>AllowOverride None
>Order allow,deny
>Allow from all
>

You have Options FollowSymLinks so that should be OK, but it apparently
doesn't get applied when the host is .domain.tld.



>Now, the interesting thing is that the locally created lists have 
>archive hyperlinks of the form mailman.domain.tld while the 
>transferred lists have archive hyperlinks of the form 
>.domain.tld.  I am not sure how this can be but it is 
>the case none the less.  So, do I run bin/fix_url.py or add an 
>additional redirect directive to conf.d/mailman.conf or do 
>something else?


What happens if you go to
http://mailman.domain.tld/pipermail/transferlist/

Do the directives in mailman.conf only apply to the mailman.domain.tld
host?

Where are these hyperlinks of the form
http://.domain.tld/pipermail/... Are they everywhere in
the archive or just on the listinfo page? Have you changed
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in mm_cfg.py?

If the various links to the listinfo and admin pages have the right
domain, you probably don't need to run fix_url.py.

If the 'bad' links are everywhere in the archive, then they were that
way on the old machine. If you want to 'fix' them, you need to run

 bin/arch --wipe

for each list, but it might be better to figure out what's needed in
the Apache config to make things work as they are.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] filtering mp3's

[Mark Sapiro]

Darkman wrote:

>I added audio to my filter_mime_types, but does that filter mp3s? or no, if 
>not what would I use to add to my filter_mime_types, thansk in advance.

This will disallow all audio types including audio/mpeg and audio/MPA
which are the types that _should_ be used for mp3 content, but there's
no way to guarantee that someone (or some MUA) wouldn't send an mp3
file as application/octet-stream or application/x-anything or some
other type.

In the latest 2.1.6 beta, there is the ability to filter messages based
on extension or other pattern match of the 'filename' of the
attachment. E.g., placing the following regex in header_filter_rules

 content-.*name.*\.mp3

will filter messages with file attachments with '.mp3' in the name.
Note that this is *message* filtering based on the attachment, not
filtering of the attachment from the message.

The latest beta can be downloaded from   
http://mm.tkikuchi.net/mailman-2.1.6b5.tgz

The latest on sourceforge is still 2.1.6b4 which has a bug in this
feature.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Transfering mailman lists between servers

[James B. Byrne]

In the continuing saga of transferring mailman hosts (and moving 
from mailman mailman-2.1.5-8 to mailman-2.1.5-33) I performed the 
cut-over this morning using the following steps:

1.  Shutdown SMTP service on the old mailman host (service sendmail 
stop)

2.  Clear mqueue of all outstanding mailman deliveries (sendmail -
qRmailman)

3.  Clear data of all outstanding mailman administrative requests 
(as a practical matter there were none).

4.  Shutdown Mailman service on the old mailman host (service 
mailman stop)

5.  # cd /var/lib/mailman

6.  # tar -xvf mailmanArchives.tar /var/lib/mailman/archives

7.  # tar -xvf mailmanLists.tar /var/lib/mailman/lists

8.  # gzip -S .gz mailman*tar

9.  Down and remove mailman IP alias address on old host. (webmin 
Networking module - use ifconfig and edit etc/sysconfig entries if 
done manually)

10. Log on to new mailman host.

11. Stop mailman service (service mailman stop).

11. # cd /var/lib/mailman

12. # sftp ; sftp> get /var/lib/mailman/mailman*.tar.gz; 
sftp> quit

14. tar -xvzf mailman*.tar.gz

15. /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f -v

16. Add mailman IP alias address to new host NIC (webmin as above)

17. Start mailman service on new host (service mailman start)

18. Make sure that /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf is configured to 
listen on the new IP address.

19. Restart httpd service on new host (service httpd restart)

20. Browse to mailman.domain.tld/mailman - mailman Greeting page 
displays! All the public lists are listed! All the list subscriber 
pages are reachable by hyperlink!  Subscriber requests work! All 
list administrative pages are reachable by hyperlink!  
Administrative requests work! 


!!!Archives unreachable??

The Link to a transferred list's archives gives the following 
error:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /pipermail/transferlist/ on 
this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to 
use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) Server at mailman.domain.tld Port 80


/var/log/httpd/error_log:

[Tue Mar 29 11:37:55 2005] [error] [client 216.185.xxx.xxx] 
Symbolic link not allowed: 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/transferlist

However, a list that was created on the new machine links to its 
own archives without problems.


This is the mailman.conf file contents:

/etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf

#
#  httpd configuration settings for use with mailman.
#

ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/

AllowOverride None
Options ExecCGI
Order allow,deny
Allow from all



Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all


# Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your 
server's
# name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page 
(recommended).

RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ 
http://mailman.domain.tld/mailman/listinfo


Now, the interesting thing is that the locally created lists have 
archive hyperlinks of the form mailman.domain.tld while the 
transferred lists have archive hyperlinks of the form 
.domain.tld.  I am not sure how this can be but it is 
the case none the less.  So, do I run bin/fix_url.py or add an 
additional redirect directive to conf.d/mailman.conf or do 
something else?


Any and all assistance greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Jim

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[Mailman-Users] filtering mp3's

[Darkman]

I added audio to my filter_mime_types, but does that filter mp3s? or no, if 
not what would I use to add to my filter_mime_types, thansk in advance.

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Re: [exim] Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Exim problem with very slow outgoing mailon one list

[John W. Baxter]

On 3/28/2005 12:40, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Stephanie wrote:
>> 
>> At first glance I would think this is strictly an Exim problem but
>> since it's affecting a single Mailman list, I keep coming back to
>> something going wrong between the two.
> 
> I agree this certainly seems to be a strictly Exim problem. See
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-January/041815.html
> 
> This addresses delays within Mailman, but the underlying problem might
> apply to Exim queues as well as Mailman queues. I have no idea really,
> but it might be worth a look.

The environment was earlier in the thread said to be unchanged.  I would ask
Stephanie whether that environment extends to the local caching name server
still working?  Changes to firewalling (specifically whether Ident has been
foolishly dropped (instead of rejected) in a router or firewall, if Exim is
set up to use it)?

   --John

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