Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't login mailman list admin web

[Brad Knowles]

At 2:14 PM -0500 12/6/06, Anne Ramey wrote:

>  Sounds to me like the server is just too busy for the web to respond
>  before the browser time-out.  I used to get this all the time on my
>  100K-500K member list sendings.

This can happen on busy servers.  Or even just pulling up a large 
list of messages in the moderators hold queue.  This is why better 
command-line tools are needed for moderators, as well as for other 
aspects of Mailman administration.

It would also help if we could improve the system to the point where 
the web admin interface was the last thing to go away, so that you 
wouldn't need the command-line tools, at least not unless the 
situation was so bad that you just had to shut everything down and 
clean up the problem offline, then bring the server(s) back up.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Limit on list names

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:47 AM +1030 12/7/06, Kim Hawtin wrote:

>  Is there a limit to the length of a list name?
>
>  We are using "afwb-academic-staff.agwine" but its barfing...

I wouldn't expect that there would be an internal problem with long 
list names in Mailman, but your MTA might have length limitations on 
the left-hand-side of aliases, if you're using aliases to route 
e-mail via the MTA into Mailman.

Where's it barfing?  What's in the logs?

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[Mailman-Users] Email arrives after a long delay

[BERTHOLD Jean]

Hello,
 
I have a configuration problem.
All my lists works correctly excepted that the emails arrives with a delay of 
10 minutes on the mailman server.
All email are forwarded from our MS Exchange server, but email are received on 
my mailman server with 10 minutes late. 
A first, I asked to our Exchange administrator, In the Exchange Mail mail queue 
we can see that emails are in wait during at least 10 minutes.
Exchange administrator can't explain that...
 
On my mailman server if I check the logs:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   # pwd
/usr/local/mailman/logs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   # tail -f post
...
Dec 06 12:49:49 2006 (4144) post to fpbg-dtr from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 , size=1880, message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 >, success

Dec 06 13:08:18 2006 (4144) post to fpbg-dtr from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 , size=1875, message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 >, success
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   # pwd
/usr/local/mailman/logs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   # tail -f smtp
...
Dec 06 12:49:49 2006 (4144) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]  > 
smtp to fpbg-dtr for 1 recips, completed in 0.318 seconds

And finally, the sendmail log:
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   # pwd
/var/log
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   # tail -f syslog
...
Dec  6 12:48:46 bahamas sendmail[16562]: [ID 801593 mail.warning] 
kB6BcXf1016562: collect: premature EOM: unexpected close
Dec  6 12:48:46 bahamas sendmail[16562]: [ID 801593 mail.notice] 
kB6BcXf1016562: collect: unexpected close on connection from 
swexch01lpro.sila.local, sender=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >
Dec  6 12:48:46 bahamas sendmail[16562]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6BcXf1016562: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, size=1217, class=0, 
nrcpts=1, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=swexch01lpro.sila.local 
[172.25.2.76]
Dec  6 12:49:46 bahamas sendmail[16721]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6BnkRQ016721: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, size=1315, class=0, 
nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA-v4, relay=swexch01lpro.sila.local [172.25.2.76]
Dec  6 12:49:47 bahamas sendmail[16722]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6BnkRQ016721: 
to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post fpbg-dtr", ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 > (1/0), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, 
mailer=prog, pri=31536, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent
Dec  6 12:49:49 bahamas sendmail[16725]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6Bnnn6016725: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, size=1880, class=-30, 
nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
...
Dec  6 13:08:20 bahamas sendmail[17179]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6C8Kge017177: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=176820, relay=mta0.eosholding.ch. 
[193.8.222.23], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 360A520C03B)
Dec  6 13:08:21 bahamas sendmail[17180]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6C8LhF017180: 
from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, size=2777, class=-30, 
nrcpts=1, msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, proto=ESMTP, 
daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
Dec  6 13:08:21 bahamas sendmail[17182]: [ID 801593 mail.info] kB6C8LhF017180: 
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]  >, delay=00:00:00, 
xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=176777, relay=mta0.eosholding.ch. 
[193.8.222.23], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 5E95B20C053)

As you can see, there is some warning with sendmail ( [ID 801593 mail.warning] 
kB6BcXf1016562: collect: premature EOM: unexpected close )
 
My configuration is the following:
--
Processes runing for mailman
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] # ps -cafe | grep sendmail
   smmsp  5183 1   TS  59   Nov 15 ?0:06 /usr/lib/sendmail -Ac -q15m
root  5181 1   TS  59   Nov 15 ?0:21 /usr/lib/sendmail -bd -q15m
[EMAIL PROTECTED] # ps -cafe | grep mailman
 mailman  4149 13070   TS  59   Nov 15 ?0:07 /usr/local/bin/python 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
 mailman  4150 13070   TS  59   Nov 15 ?0:01 /usr/local/bin/python 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -
 mailman  4147 13070   TS  12   Nov 15 ?   42:21 /usr/local/bin/python 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
 mailman  4145 13070   TS  52   Nov 15 ?6:24 /usr/local/bin/python 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:
 mailman  4146 13070   TS  59   Nov 15 ?0:20 /usr/local/bin/python 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 
 mailman  4151 13070   TS  59   Nov 15 ?0:08 /usr/local/bin/python 
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=Vi

Re: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman pickup mail via pop3

[Matthew]

That's usefull thanks!! I may be able to get it work.

However, is there anyway to do it without having the local MTA involved at
all?


On 12/6/06, Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 12/6/06, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would like to be able to have mailman pickup incoming mail to the list
> > via an external POP3 server (important)
> A program called 'fetchmail' can... fetch mail, from a POP3 server and
> deliver it using the local MTA. It's pretty easy to set up.
>
> > and submit it out to the
> > list via an external SMTP server (not as important).
> Mailman can do this natively. It's pretty trivial; you just change the
> SMTPHOST variable in your mm_cfg.py appropriately.
> Alternatively, you can set up the MTA on the mailman machine (FWIW, I
> recommend Postfix) to deliver via a smart host. This is also pretty
> easy to do.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with umbrella lists

[Douglas Phillips]

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> I was wondering if someone could help me with an issue I'm having.
> We're trying to set up an umbrella list (I think that's the term).

> For example, we have lists:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>and so on...

> and [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s members are:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>and so on...

> And all the lists allow non-members to post. But when we send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], the admins and moderators for the child lists get an 
> email saying they need to approve the post. I've scoured the admin
interface options, but I can't seem to figure it out. Any help would be 
> appreciated.

Paul,

I've got several lists set up in such a way, and here's what I've had to do:

* For lists that strip sender information (ie [EMAIL PROTECTED]), place the list
address in the "Non-member addresses allowed to post" under Privacy->Sender
Filters
* For normal lists, place the email addresses of authorized posters in the
non-member addresses. (I think I also put the list address in just to make
sure)
* Also, I had to place the parent list (ie [EMAIL PROTECTED]) in the "Alias 
names
which qualify as explicit to or cc names" under Privacy->Recipient Filters

Hope this helps.  If you need assistance with this, I'll be glad to help you
in any way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can mailman pickup mail via pop3

[Patrick Bogen]

On 12/7/06, Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, is there anyway to do it without having the local MTA involved at
> all?

fetchmail could theoretically be configured to deliver directly to
mailman's wrappers. However, I think it'd be much easier to use
fetchmail as it's designed (i.e., to deliver to the local MTA), and
then use the MTA to deliver to mailman- a configuration that is much
more mature and which we can much more easily support.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Email arrives after a long delay

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:34 AM +0100 12/7/06, BERTHOLD Jean wrote:

>  I have a configuration problem.
>  All my lists works correctly excepted that the emails arrives with
>  a delay of 10 minutes on the mailman server.

In the world of Internet e-mail, ten minutes is nothing.  In fact, 
that's pretty damn fast.

>  Dec 06 12:49:49 2006 (4144) post to fpbg-dtr from
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1880,
>  message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED],
>  success
>
>  Dec 06 13:08:18 2006 (4144) post to fpbg-dtr from
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=1875,
>  message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED],
>  success

Okay, so here we have two different messages coming into Mailman from 
you.  So that we can make it easy to identify them, let's call them 
"630" and "634", which comes from the last three digits of the 
Message-ID field before the at-symbol.

>  Dec 06 12:49:49 2006 (4144)
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> smtp to
>  fpbg-dtr for 1 recips, completed in 0.318 seconds

Okay, so we see that 630 came into Mailman from the MTA at 12:49:49 
and went back out to the MTA in less than a second.  That's good.

>  Dec  6 12:48:46 bahamas sendmail[16562]: [ID 801593 mail.warning]
>  kB6BcXf1016562: collect: premature EOM: unexpected close
>  Dec  6 12:48:46 bahamas sendmail[16562]: [ID 801593 mail.notice]
>  kB6BcXf1016562: collect: unexpected close on connection from
>  swexch01lpro.sila.local, sender=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  Dec  6 12:48:46 bahamas sendmail[16562]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6BcXf1016562: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1217,
>  class=0, nrcpts=1, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4,
>  relay=swexch01lpro.sila.local [172.25.2.76]

These are signs that your Exchange server is screwing up the SMTP protocol.

>  Dec  6 12:49:46 bahamas sendmail[16721]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6BnkRQ016721: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=1315,
>  class=0, nrcpts=1,
>  msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=swexch01lpro.sila.local [172.25.2.76]

Okay, so here is 630 coming into the system from Exchange.  Note that 
the sendmail queue-id in this case is kB6BnkRQ016721.  This is how we 
tie other log entries together back to this same message -- by the 
sendmail queue-id.

>  Dec  6 12:49:47 bahamas sendmail[16722]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6BnkRQ016721: to="|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post fpbg-dtr",
>  ctladdr=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (1/0), delay=00:00:01,
>  xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, pri=31536, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent

Okay, so here is sendmail saying that it has now sent 630 to Mailman. 
We know that it's what we're calling message 630 because we see the 
same sendmail queue-id, namely kB6BnkRQ016721.

Note that Mailman says that it finished getting this message about 
two seconds later (at 12:49:49), and that Mailman then sends that 
message back to the MTA in less than a second (still 12:49:49).

>  Dec  6 12:49:49 bahamas sendmail[16725]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6Bnnn6016725: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  size=1880, class=-30, nrcpts=1,
>  msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]

Okay, so here is 630 having come back out of Mailman, and going into 
the MTA to be delivered to the recipient.  Note that the sendmail 
queue-id is now kB6Bnnn6016725, because as far as sendmail is 
concerned this is a totally different message.  Sendmail doesn't know 
that the content is exactly the same, and that what has happened is 
that the message has come through sendmail, into Mailman, and then 
back out again.  Sendmail sees the inbound and outbound legs as being 
two totally separate messages.

Any further delay is totally and completely out of the hands of 
Mailman.  There is absolutely nothing that we can do to help.

>  Dec  6 13:08:20 bahamas sendmail[17179]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6C8Kge017177: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:00:00,
>  xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=176820, relay=mta0.eosholding.ch.
>  [193.8.222.23], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 360A520C03B)

Dunno what message this is, but it doesn't look like it's 630.  Note 
that the sendmail queue-id is different -- Message 630 came in with 
queue-id kB6Bnnn6016725, and this has queue-id kB6C8Kge017177.  So, 
it looks like there are some log entries missing.

>  Dec  6 13:08:21 bahamas sendmail[17180]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6C8LhF017180: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=2777,
>  class=-30, nrcpts=1,
>  msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA-v4, relay=localhost [127.0.0.1]
>  Dec  6 13:08:21 bahamas sendmail[17182]: [ID 801593 mail.info]
>  kB6C8LhF017180: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=00:00:00,
>  xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=176777, relay=mta0.eosholding.ch.
>  [193.8.222.23], dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent (Ok: queued as 5E95B20C053)

Okay, so this is a totally different message.  Different Message-id, 
different sendmail queue-id.  Apparently completely unrelated.

>  As you can see, there is some warning with sendmail ( [ID
>  801593 mail.warning] kB6BcXf1016562: collect: premature EOM:
>  unexpected close )

Yup.  That's a sign t

Re: [Mailman-Users] conversion

[Mark Sapiro]

Melinda wrote:

>I could use some pointers in my conversion from Listproc to Mailman.   I am
>also going from a Solaris machine to a Redhat Linux.   I am very very new to
>Unix, Linux and could use some help in my conversion over to the new machine
>with Mailman.   How exactly can I get my old Listproc Lists merged over to
>this new mailman machine.  How does mailman get its address?  What will
>happen to my old address of the old list when created with the new list?
>Can I keep them the same??


This question is so broad as to be almost beyond the scope of this
list. I'll just say a few things.

First, I know nothing about Listproc so I can't comment in how Listproc
settings/configurations map to Mailman.

As far as moving lists is concerned, you have three main areas of
concern - list behavior (configuration), membership and archives. As I
said, I can't speak about mapping behavior as I don't know Listproc.
For membership, you need to be able to export a flat file of members
(or two separate files of regular and digest members) in a standard
format like

  Users Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  ...

and this can be easily used to populate the Mailman list.

List archives need to be exported as a flat file in *nix mbox format,
and this can be used to create a Mailman archive.

For list addresses, Mailman works in conjunction with an MTA (Sendmail,
Postfix, Exim, etc.) which receives mail sent to a particular domain
or domains and uses aliases or other methods to determine whether the
local part of the address is a mailman address and if so, delivers the
mail to Mailman by piping it to Mailman's mail wrapper.

Each list has a set of addresses. The list posting address for a list
named test in the example.com domain is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Every list
also has 9 other associated addresses, in this example they are
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (deprecated),
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for various purposes.

If your old domain is going to map to your new machine, you should be
able to keep the same list addresses.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Email Command Confirmations

[deepali]

I figured out how to upgrade Mailman from 2.1.5 to 2.1.6 on Mac OS X  
Server 10.4.8.

I followed the instructions for the patch.  It does not work.  Has  
anyone had better success with it and can anyone point me in the  
right direction?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

- Deepali



On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:09 PM, deepali wrote:

> Dear List,
>
> I recently went to the archives to see if there was a way to turn  
> off the email command confirmations, and I came across the email  
> thread below.
>
> I looked at the patch, was able to change the code, but I am still  
> getting email command confirmations.  I am guessing that it is  
> because I am not doing something right, since I am new to using  
> Mailman and know very little about Python.  So, I have a few  
> questions.
>
> 1 - Does this patch work on Mailman 2.1.5?  (This is the version  
> that comes with Mac OS Tiger Server.)  If not, does anyone have  
> instructions on how to upgrade on OS X Server?  Does 2.1.9 still  
> need this patch?
>
> 2 - In the patch, it says to set RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM =  
> Yes.  But in the code, it looks for (not  
> mm_cfg.RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM).  If I don't want the  
> confirmations, shouldn't I set RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM = No?
>
> 3 - Do I have to compile the code after I change it?  Do I have to  
> recreate the list to make the changes work?
>
> My client is waiting on this fix before they go live with a new web  
> application, so any advice would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Deepali
>
>
>
> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> >Ben Swihart wrote:
> >>
> >>When users subscribe, I like sending them a "welcome" e-mail with
> >>introductions,
> >>instructions, etc.  However, if you send an e-mail to [EMAIL  
> PROTECTED],
> >>we are getting this back:
> >>
> >>"The results of your email command are provided below. Attached  
> is your
> >>original message.
> >>
> >>- Results:
> >>Subscription request succeeded.
> >>
> >>- Done."
> >>
> >>Is there a way to disable command result notifications?
> >
> >
> >Attached is a patch against Mailman 2.1.6 to do this. The line  
> numbers
> >will need adjusting for other releases.
>
>
> BTW, the command results should not be sent if a welcome will be sent
> (send_welcome_msg on General Options is Yes) even without the patch.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mails send from a webmail system dont get a Subject_prefix if there are umlauts

[Mark Sapiro]

Götz Reinicke wrote:
> 
> recently we noticed, that mails send from our webmailsystem TWIG 
> containing a german umlaut in the subject aren't getting a 
> Subject_prefix from maliman. Mails from other mailclients do get the 
> Subject_prefix.
> 
> The problem seams, that twig isn't encoding the subject correctly, so it 
> get invalid and thats why mailman isn't setting a Subject_prefix.
> 
> Is there a way to get mailman setting the Subject_prefix?

Mailman does a lot of processing to try to properly insert the 
subject_prefix. I'm not surprised that something fails if the incoming 
subject is not properly encoded.

I am able to duplicate the problem and will look at it further, but the 
real solution is to use MUAs that create standards conformant messages

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Email Command Confirmations

[Mark Sapiro]

deepali wrote:

>I figured out how to upgrade Mailman from 2.1.5 to 2.1.6 on Mac OS X  
>Server 10.4.8.


If you are going to upgrade, it would be much better to upgrade to
2.1.9 which would be the same process if you are upgrading from source.


>I followed the instructions for the patch.  It does not work.  Has  
>anyone had better success with it and can anyone point me in the  
>right direction?


See below.


>On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:09 PM, deepali wrote:
>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I recently went to the archives to see if there was a way to turn  
>> off the email command confirmations, and I came across the email  
>> thread below.
>>
>> I looked at the patch, was able to change the code, but I am still  
>> getting email command confirmations.  I am guessing that it is  
>> because I am not doing something right, since I am new to using  
>> Mailman and know very little about Python.  So, I have a few  
>> questions.
>>
>> 1 - Does this patch work on Mailman 2.1.5?  (This is the version  
>> that comes with Mac OS Tiger Server.)  If not, does anyone have  
>> instructions on how to upgrade on OS X Server?  Does 2.1.9 still  
>> need this patch?


The patch should work on 2.1.5 (with possible line number changes). If
you want the functionality of the patch, it is required even in 2.1.9
(with possible line number changes).


>> 2 - In the patch, it says to set RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM =  
>> Yes.  But in the code, it looks for (not  
>> mm_cfg.RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM).  If I don't want the  
>> confirmations, shouldn't I set RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM = No?


The patch sets 'RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM = Yes' in Defaults.py.in
(which configure uses to make Defaults.py) in order to make the
default behavior unchanged from that without the patch.

To enable the function, you would then put
'RESPOND_TO_SUCCESSFUL_CONFIRM = No' in mm_cfg.py.


>> 3 - Do I have to compile the code after I change it?  Do I have to  
>> recreate the list to make the changes work?


As Brad said in another reply, you have to either 'restart' or 'stop'
and 'start' Mailman. When this is done, the patched modules will be
reimported at which point, Python will detect they've been changed and
recompile them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Mark Sapiro]

Kory Wheatley wrote:
>
>I'm running Mailman 2.1.6 is there a script you can run to automatically 
>remove all archive messages from a list?


I'm not sure what you mean by automatically.

You can remove all messages from a list's pipermail archive by

bin/arch --wipe listname /dev/null

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Kory Wheatley wrote:
> >
> >I'm running Mailman 2.1.6 is there a script you can run to automatically 
> >remove all archive messages from a list?
> 
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean by automatically.
> 
> You can remove all messages from a list's pipermail archive by
> 
> bin/arch --wipe listname /dev/null

What, "rm -rf" not good enough for you?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Todd Zullinger]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> Quoting Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
[...]
>> You can remove all messages from a list's pipermail archive by
>> 
>> bin/arch --wipe listname /dev/null
> 
> What, "rm -rf" not good enough for you?

:-)

You do have to know the location of the list archives with rm whereas
with bin/arch you don't.  And if you put a typo into bin/arch it can
at worst wipe out the archives of the wrong list, not large chunks of
your file system.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mails send from a webmail system dont get a Subject_prefix if there are umlauts

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> I am able to duplicate the problem and will look at it further, but the 
> real solution is to use MUAs that create standards conformant messages


If you are unable to convince people to use compliant MUAs, you can 
patch Mailman in a couple of different ways to address this problem.

If you are willing to have the non-ascii characters replaced by '?' in 
the subject, you can patch Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py as follows 
(line numbers for Mailman 2.1.9)

--- Copy of CookHeaders.py  2006-09-25 11:56:24.265625000 -0700
+++ CookHeaders.py  2006-12-07 12:13:10.011544900 -0800
@@ -257,7 +257,7 @@
  # range.  It is safe to use unicode string when manupilating header
  # contents with re module.  It would be best to return unicode in
  # ch_oneline() but here is temporary solution.
-subject = unicode(subject, cset)
+subject = unicode(subject, cset, 'replace')
  # If the subject_prefix contains '%d', it is replaced with the
  # mailing list sequential number.  Sequential number format allows
  # '%d' or '%05d' like pattern.

In your case, since the unencoded characters in the subject are probably 
iso-8859-1 characters, you could instead (or in addition) apply (watch 
for wrapped line below)

--- Copy of CookHeaders.py  2006-09-25 11:56:24.265625000 -0700
+++ CookHeaders.py  2006-12-07 12:13:10.011544900 -0800
@@ -337,7 +337,7 @@
  # MUA deliberately add trailing spaces when composing return
  # message.
  d = [(s.rstrip(), c) for (s,c) in d]
-cset = 'us-ascii'
+cset = 'iso-8859-1'
  for x in d:
  # search for no-None charset
  if x[1]:
@@ -349,4 +349,4 @@
  return oneline.encode(cset, 'replace'), cset
  except (LookupError, UnicodeError, ValueError, HeaderParseError):
  # possibly charset problem. return with undecoded string in 
one line.
-return ''.join(headerstr.splitlines()), 'us-ascii'
+return ''.join(headerstr.splitlines()), 'iso-8859-1'



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:37 PM -0500 12/7/06, Todd Zullinger wrote:

>  You do have to know the location of the list archives with rm whereas
>  with bin/arch you don't.  And if you put a typo into bin/arch it can
>  at worst wipe out the archives of the wrong list, not large chunks of
>  your file system.

Everyone raise your hand if you have accidentally done the command:

# rm -rf / path/to/file/structure/you/really/want/to/delete

Or, managed to do the right command on the wrong machine (where 
you've connected to one system, then from there to another, etc...).

/me raises both hands


There's lots of other stupid sysadmin tricks.  Trust me, I've learned 
the hard way.

Tools like bin/arch are much safer, albeit also slower.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Tools like bin/arch are much safer, albeit also slower.

I've lost more files to badly written programs than to PEBKAC errors.  So
I'd be more inclined to trust "rm" than "arch".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:
>
>Everyone raise your hand if you have accidentally done the command:
>
>   # rm -rf / path/to/file/structure/you/really/want/to/delete

Or
   rm -rf /path/to/something
and typed it
   rm -rf /path/to/something 

Those pesky spaces - always raising havoc...

And that darned command shell - tell it something so obviously wrong
and it goes ahead and does it anyway, every time.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages

[Mark Sapiro]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
>I've lost more files to badly written programs than to PEBKAC errors.  So
>I'd be more inclined to trust "rm" than "arch".


This thread is fun, but just to be clear, I responded the way I did to
the OP because the OP was not at all clear about what was wanted, so I
gave an answer that would not remove the list.mbox file in case it was
still wanted and would not remove structure that might be required to
continue archiving new posts.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Alan McConnell]

On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 03:37:41PM -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
> > What, "rm -rf" not good enough for you?
  Yeah, yeah.

Meanwhile, I am adminning(sp?), through my ISP, a new but quite active
E-list.  But their mailman install is incomplete; they haven't put in
Pipermail(about which I know _nothing_).  I'm saving all the messages --
mbox format -- and have the hope that when the Pipermail archiving
program is installed, I will be able to collect, collate, shuffle,
and massage these messages and then ship them off to the new very
skilful tech staff that my ISP is allegedly hiring, and they will
be able to slip this collection adroitly into place.  And it will
be as if archiving was always in place . . .

Can this be done?  or am I dreaming wild dreams?

Best wishes,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Alan McConnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Meanwhile, I am adminning(sp?), through my ISP, a new but quite active
> E-list.  But their mailman install is incomplete; they haven't put in
> Pipermail(about which I know _nothing_).  I'm saving all the messages --
> mbox format -- and have the hope that when the Pipermail archiving
> program is installed, I will be able to collect, collate, shuffle,
> and massage these messages and then ship them off to the new very
> skilful tech staff that my ISP is allegedly hiring, and they will
> be able to slip this collection adroitly into place.  And it will
> be as if archiving was always in place . . .
> 
> Can this be done?  or am I dreaming wild dreams?

I've just spent two days manipulating a bunch of mbox files into archives.
Let me tell you how it goes:

1. Blow away the html archives.  You may prefer to use that arch command
we were just discussing, but I used "rm -rf
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/"

2. Stop mailman's qrunners using "/etc/init.d/mailman stop"

3. Run bin/arch on the huge mbox file.

4. Discover that bin/arch is consuming all the memory and swap on the
system, and your system has ground to a halt.

5. Kill bin/arch.  Wait for the system to recover the swap space.  At this
point, I should have rebooted because I think this is when my list
config.pck file got corrupted.  Restore the config.pck file from backup.

6. Discover an awk script in the mailman archives that will split the mbox
archive into managable chunks.  Fix it so that it splits them into 500
message chunks instead of the 80 message chunks it defaults to.

7. Run bin/arch on all the chunks one at a time.

8. Discover that the mbox file had a bunch of un-escaped "From " lines
that confused bin/arch and so you have a bunch of half-articles in today's
archive page that shouldn't be there.  Run bin/cleanarch to fix them, blow
away the html archives, and then resplit the mbox file and run bin/arch on
the splits.

9. Discover that in early 2000 some members of your mailing list were
using a MUA that set year to "100" in the "Date: " header, which confused
bin/arch.  Fix those up with sed, then blow away the html archives, then
resplit the mbox and run bin/arch on the splits.

10. Discover a couple of "From " lines that bin/cleanarch didn't fix
because somebody was quoting the mail headers of another message.  Fix
them with sed, then blow away the html archives, then resplit the mbox and
run bin/arch on the splits.

11. Discover you missed a "From " line in one message, say "to hell with
it", restart mailman, and go to bed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Paul Tomblin]

I just checked my blog, and found I message a step:

Quoting Paul Tomblin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I've just spent two days manipulating a bunch of mbox files into archives.
> Let me tell you how it goes:
> 
> 1. Blow away the html archives.  You may prefer to use that arch command
> we were just discussing, but I used "rm -rf
> /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/"
> 
> 2. Stop mailman's qrunners using "/etc/init.d/mailman stop"
> 
> 3. Run bin/arch on the huge mbox file.

3a. Discover that bin/arch is dying on lines in the mbox where somebody's
broken MUA was putting in a Content-Type: header with a charset of
".chrsc".  Use sed to change that to "us-ascii".  Delete the html archives
again and start bin/arch again.

> 4. Discover that bin/arch is consuming all the memory and swap on the
> system, and your system has ground to a halt.



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[Mailman-Users] double attachments

[tonya kay]

Hello!  I am new to the Mailman Mailing List.

My email client is Mac's Mail, running on the Mac OSX operating system.

When I send an email to my Mailman mailing list, the .jpg files I attach are 
duplicated in the recipient's email.  How can I assure that only one of each 
attachment is received?

Thank you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] double attachments

[Jeffrey Goldberg]

On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:27 PM, tonya kay wrote:


Hello!  I am new to the Mailman Mailing List.

My email client is Mac's Mail, running on the Mac OSX operating  
system.


When I send an email to my Mailman mailing list, the .jpg files I  
attach are
duplicated in the recipient's email.  How can I assure that only  
one of each

attachment is received?


I use Apple's Mail.app (2.1) and have not had this problem with PDF  
attachments (the only attachments I've ever sent to a mailing list).


Can you double check your Sent folder to make sure that the  
attachment really is only in there once for what you sent?


Also never check "Send Windows Friendly Attachment" box.  That may do  
something that shows up like doubling the attachment.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Dec 7, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> I've just spent two days manipulating a bunch of mbox files into  
> archives.
> Let me tell you how it goes:

[Screams of pain omitted]

Have I mentioned recently how long I've been looking for a volunteer  
to help make all this not suck?  ;}  Pipermail is just one of those  
things that people either live with or ditch.

- -Barry



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Re: [Mailman-Users] double attachments

[Mark Sapiro]

tonya kay wrote:
>
>My email client is Mac's Mail, running on the Mac OSX operating system.
>
>When I send an email to my Mailman mailing list, the .jpg files I attach are 
>duplicated in the recipient's email.  How can I assure that only one of each 
>attachment is received?


I suspect this also happens when you send directly to user's whose MUAs
don't understand Mac attachments. I think Mac Mail is doing this, not
Mailman.

If in Mac Mail you select edit->attachments->Always Send Windows
Friendly Attachments or simple be sure the "Send Windows Friendly
Attachments" check box is checked in the file attach dialog when you
attach the file, I think you won't have this problem. The down side of
this is your Mac recipients won't get the 'resource fork' of the file
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

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Quoting Paul Tomblin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 8. Discover that the mbox file had a bunch of un-escaped "From " lines
> that confused bin/arch and so you have a bunch of half-articles in today's
> archive page that shouldn't be there.  Run bin/cleanarch to fix them, blow
> away the html archives, and then resplit the mbox file and run bin/arch on
> the splits.

Speaking of which, is there any way to modify Mailman so that when it puts
a mail message in the mbox, it pre-escapes the "^From " lines in the
message?  Mailman knows the message boundaries at that point, so it would
be nice if it were to put it in a format that bin/arch can handle.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Barry Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> [Screams of pain omitted]
> 
> Have I mentioned recently how long I've been looking for a volunteer  
> to help make all this not suck?  ;}  Pipermail is just one of those  
> things that people either live with or ditch.

I suppose it would be a good excuse to learn python.  But on the other
hand, I've been seriously considering moving to mhonarc.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] double attachments

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
>
>Also never check "Send Windows Friendly Attachment" box.  That may do  
>something that shows up like doubling the attachment.


I think you have it backwards. Checking the "Send Windows Friendly
Attachment" will not send the Mac 'resource' information. It is this
which shows up as a second file with non Mac aware MUAs. Also, It will
try to add an appropriate extension to the name of an attached file
the name of which on the Mac doesn't have an extension.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Dec 7, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Quoting Paul Tomblin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>> 8. Discover that the mbox file had a bunch of un-escaped "From "  
>> lines
>> that confused bin/arch and so you have a bunch of half-articles in  
>> today's
>> archive page that shouldn't be there.  Run bin/cleanarch to fix  
>> them, blow
>> away the html archives, and then resplit the mbox file and run bin/ 
>> arch on
>> the splits.
>
> Speaking of which, is there any way to modify Mailman so that when  
> it puts
> a mail message in the mbox, it pre-escapes the "^From " lines in the
> message?  Mailman knows the message boundaries at that point, so it  
> would
> be nice if it were to put it in a format that bin/arch can handle.

It already does escape From lines in the body of the message.  It  
does this by way of the email package's Generator class, which is  
instantiated with mangle_from_=True.

- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Dec 7, 2006, at 6:37 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote:

> Quoting Barry Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>> [Screams of pain omitted]
>>
>> Have I mentioned recently how long I've been looking for a volunteer
>> to help make all this not suck?  ;}  Pipermail is just one of those
>> things that people either live with or ditch.
>
> I suppose it would be a good excuse to learn python.  But on the other
> hand, I've been seriously considering moving to mhonarc.

And now you see why Pipermail never gets much better.  ;)

I'm not blaming you personally of course, it's just that I think when  
people feel enough pain from Pipermail, rather than try to scratch  
that itch, they'd rather spend the time integrating a better archiver.

I've always said that Pipermail is bundled solely to make it easy for  
people to have a complete solution out of the box.  I don't have much  
interest in bundling some other (non-Python) archiver with the source  
distro, although I'd have no problems with downstream packagers doing  
that if they wanted to.

- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

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At 4:57 PM -0500 12/7/06, Alan McConnell wrote:

>  Meanwhile, I am adminning(sp?), through my ISP, a new but quite active
>  E-list.  But their mailman install is incomplete; they haven't put in
>  Pipermail(about which I know _nothing_).

Uh, what version of Mailman is that?  I thought that Mailman had 
fully integrated Pipermail along with the base code, for many years 
now?  Are they running Mailman 1.x or something?

>  I'm saving all the messages --
>  mbox format -- and have the hope that when the Pipermail archiving
>  program is installed, I will be able to collect, collate, shuffle,
>  and massage these messages and then ship them off to the new very
>  skilful tech staff that my ISP is allegedly hiring, and they will
>  be able to slip this collection adroitly into place.  And it will
>  be as if archiving was always in place . . .

So long as you save the messages in mbox format, and you have access 
to the command-line, you can always use the "arch" tool to import the 
old messages into the new archives.  The instructions for doing this 
kind of stuff are in the FAQ.

But if you don't have direct command-line access to the server, then 
you'll be dependant on the staff that do.  And from what you've 
described, that's really the crux of the problem you're already faced 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:22 PM -0500 12/7/06, Paul Tomblin wrote:

>  6. Discover an awk script in the mailman archives that will split the mbox
>  archive into managable chunks.  Fix it so that it splits them into 500
>  message chunks instead of the 80 message chunks it defaults to.

There's also the "formmail" tool from the procmail package.  That's 
probably more robust than the awk script you mention, takes up less 
memory, is faster, etc  Of course, it also requires that you 
download and install at least that part of procmail, so it requires 
more work.

>  7. Run bin/arch on all the chunks one at a time.

Yeah, you want to run that tool on the chunks in order, otherwise I 
think that the message number generation scheme will at least get 
ugly, if not confused.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Barry Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Dec 7, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Paul Tomblin wrote:
> >Speaking of which, is there any way to modify Mailman so that when  it
> >puts a mail message in the mbox, it pre-escapes the "^From " lines in
> >the message?  Mailman knows the message boundaries at that point, so it
> >would be nice if it were to put it in a format that bin/arch can
> >handle.
> 
> It already does escape From lines in the body of the message.  It  
> does this by way of the email package's Generator class, which is  
> instantiated with mangle_from_=True.

Must be a newer version than the one in Debian stable.   I grepped for
"mangle" in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/*, and didn't find it.  The parameter
does appear in /usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py, but since I don't
know python I don't know how to pass it to it.  I'm guessing it has
something to do with changing the "g = Generator(fp)" and "g =
Generator(outfp)" lines in Mailman/ListAdmin.py or more likely the "g =
Generator(self.fp)" line in Mailman/Mailbox.py?  Is it as simple as
changing that last one to "g = Generator(self.fp,mangle_from_=True)"?

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[Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

[Barry R Cisna]

Hello List,

I posted here a few days ago and did not get any response. I've googled
and havent found a howto either.
How  do I change in MM the thread view, to make the most recent posts
appear at the top of the Archives page, rather than the most recent 
showing up at the bottom of the archives page?

MM 2.1.8
FC5

Any ideas appreciated.


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[Mailman-Users] reply from RedHat regarding patch for lost spam filters - no it is not in their RPM

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

Regarding any of you out there running a RedHat Advanced Server 3 setup
with Mailman.

It seems RH's rpm lacks the patch so they have sent me instructions on
how to fix it

8><-

regards


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman archive messages(not rm, but install!)

[Mark Sapiro]

Paul Tomblin wrote:

>Quoting Barry Warsaw ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>> 
>> It already does escape From lines in the body of the message.  It  
>> does this by way of the email package's Generator class, which is  
>> instantiated with mangle_from_=True.
>
>Must be a newer version than the one in Debian stable.   I grepped for
>"mangle" in /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/*, and didn't find it.  The parameter
>does appear in /usr/lib/python2.3/email/Generator.py, but since I don't
>know python I don't know how to pass it to it.  I'm guessing it has
>something to do with changing the "g = Generator(fp)" and "g =
>Generator(outfp)" lines in Mailman/ListAdmin.py or more likely the "g =
>Generator(self.fp)" line in Mailman/Mailbox.py?  Is it as simple as
>changing that last one to "g = Generator(self.fp,mangle_from_=True)"?


Yes it is.

And I think Barry may have misspoken as I don't think that change is in
the SVN trunk or Release_2_1-maint branch.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry R Cisna wrote:
>
>I posted here a few days ago and did not get any response.


There is a reply to your post at



>I've googled
>and havent found a howto either.
>How  do I change in MM the thread view, to make the most recent posts
>appear at the top of the Archives page, rather than the most recent 
>showing up at the bottom of the archives page?


You would have to hack the archiver code, and I think it would be messy.

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[Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

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Hi mark,

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[Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

[Barry R Cisna]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the response. Want I m wanting to do is show recent
threads,,the same as the other mailman list lines up most recent posts at
the top such as here:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Ive seen various other lists have the thread/most recent at top,as well.
Dont know how they done it,,though?

Thanks again,,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

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Barry R Cisna wrote:
> Thanks for the response. Want I m wanting to do is show recent
> threads,,the same as the other mailman list lines up most recent
> posts at the top such as here:
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

I don't think that mail-archive.com uses pipermail as it's archiver.

I do think that the redhat.com lists do though.  You might ask on one
of those lists if anyone who has helped setup the list server can give
you tips (or patches) on achieving that setup.

Here's an example of the setup on redhat.com lists for those who
aren't familiar with them:

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-laptop-list/2006-December/thread.html

Certainly looks like pipermail, doesn't it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry R Cisna wrote:
>
>Thanks for the response. Want I m wanting to do is show recent
>threads,,the same as the other mailman list lines up most recent posts at
>the top such as here:
>
>http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


mail-archive.com does not use the pipermail archiver that is packaged
with Mailman.

>Ive seen various other lists have the thread/most recent at top,as well.
>Dont know how they done it,,though?


If they are Mailman lists using pipermail, I think it must have been
done by hacking the code.

My own thought on this is it would be easier to figure out how to use
some other archiver such as MHonArc that might offer the features you
want and use that as your Mailman archiver through Mailman's external
archiver capability.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

[Mark Sapiro]

Todd Zullinger wrote:
>
>I do think that the redhat.com lists do though.  You might ask on one
>of those lists if anyone who has helped setup the list server can give
>you tips (or patches) on achieving that setup.
>
>Here's an example of the setup on redhat.com lists for those who
>aren't familiar with them:
>
>https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-laptop-list/2006-December/thread.html
>
>Certainly looks like pipermail, doesn't it?


They are definitely Mailman lists, and the archives have a definite
pipermail look to them, but the various index pages and the individual
message headers and footers are significantly different from those of
the pipermail we distribute.

As you suggest, someone at RedHat may be able to provide more
information on this.

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[Mailman-Users] change thread list most recent to top

[Barry R Cisna]

Hi Mark,

Thanks again, for the response. I'll have  a look at MHonArc. I didnt know
MM had the capability of using an external archiver. Maybe this is what
Ive seen at these other mailing lists that use mailman.
Ill check into it,

Thanks,

Barry R Cisna
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman stop delivering ... problem with Approval.py?

[parallax]

The mailman lists on my server have suddenly stopped delivering mail. The error 
of one of the messages is cut and paste below ... All the messages are being 
shunted off and not delivered when it reaches the Approval.py and has trouble 
inporting ...? 

 File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py", line 
28, in ?
   from email.Iterators import typed_subpart_iterator
ImportError: cannot import name typed_subpart_iterator

These are the first few lines from the Approval.py file (email.Iterators is 
located in mailman/pythonlib/email/): 

import re
from email.Iterators import typed_subpart_iterator
from Mailman import mm_cfg
from Mailman import Errors

Any help in solving this issue would be appreciated. Thanks!

/S

* FULL ERROR LOG FOR ONE MESSAGE
Dec 07 19:11:09 2006 (20316) Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 112, 
in _oneloop
   self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
 File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 170, 
in _onefile
   keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
 File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", 
line 130, in _dispose
   more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
 File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", 
line 150, in _dopipeline
   __import__(modname)
 File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Approve.py", line 
28, in ?
   from email.Iterators import typed_subpart_iterator
ImportError: cannot import name typed_subpart_iterator

Dec 07 19:11:09 2006 (20316) SHUNTING: 
1165536668.997515+23c357cc0271458d05b79dcd2a490bb937d5928e

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