[Mailman-Users] Connection Refused errors in smtp-failure

2007-04-02 Thread Dov Zamir
Hi all,

After trying everything in the Wiki, i got to the bottom where it says, 
if all else fails, ask the list, so here goes:


I have compiled mailman 2.1.9 from source on Fedora Core 6, using 
sendmail ver. 8.13.8.

Sendmail is working ccorrectly sending and receiving mail, and the 
aliases file has been updated with the aliases received through mailman.

Mailman accepts mail sent to it, and does everything it is supposed to, 
except sending mail. All mail gets errors similar to the follwing (all 
related to the same mail):

in post:
Apr 02 09:48:51 2007 (2950) post to mailman from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2462, 
message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED], 1 failures

in smtp:
Apr 02 09:48:51 2007 (2950) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] smtp to mailman for 
1 recips, completed in 0.005 seconds

in smtp-failure:
Apr 02 09:48:51 2007 (2950) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with 
code -1: (111, 'Connection refused')


There are no entries in error or in sendmail's log or in the system 
error log.


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[Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

2007-04-02 Thread Martin Dennett
Hi

I have a topic set up which I use to be able to send to ALL members of 
the list, even if they choose to read on the web only (similar to the 
Yahoo Special Notices feature). However, if anyone replies to a mail 
that follows the rule, all members subscribed to the topic also receive 
those replies. Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails 
from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?

Rgds

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

2007-04-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 8:10 AM +0100 4/2/07, Martin Dennett wrote:

  I have a topic set up which I use to be able to send to ALL members of
  the list, even if they choose to read on the web only (similar to the
  Yahoo Special Notices feature). However, if anyone replies to a mail
  that follows the rule, all members subscribed to the topic also receive
  those replies. Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails
  from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?

You can make everyone on the list moderated, so that only the 
moderator is allowed to post to the list, or is required to approve 
posts before they go through.

But there's no per-topic control over this sort of thing.  At least, 
not without making source-code modifications.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused errors in smtp-failure

2007-04-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:54 AM +0300 4/2/07, Dov Zamir wrote:

  After trying everything in the Wiki, i got to the bottom where it says,
  if all else fails, ask the list, so here goes:

You mention the wiki, but you don't say anything about the FAQ 
Wizard.  Did you try everything mentioned in FAQ 3.14 (and related 
FAQs), as well as FAQ 4.73?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused errors in smtp-failure

2007-04-02 Thread Dov Zamir
ציטוט Brad Knowles:
 At 9:54 AM +0300 4/2/07, Dov Zamir wrote:

 After trying everything in the Wiki, i got to the bottom where it says,
 if all else fails, ask the list, so here goes:

 You mention the wiki, but you don't say anything about the FAQ Wizard. 
 Did you try everything mentioned in FAQ 3.14 (and related FAQs), as 
 well as FAQ 4.73?

Thanks. Didn't see FAQ 4.73 (but did 3.14). Added the debugging to 
SMTPdirect and found the eror message. There seems to be a IP4-IP6 
problem. Trying to fix it now...
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[Mailman-Users] Infamous error ImportError: ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1

2007-04-02 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
Hi,

I installed tcl/tk, Python and Mailman on a Solaris 10 system. 
Everything seems to install fine, I can use the command line interface 
to create a mailman list, set the site and delegate password etc. 
However, when I try to access Mailman via my browser (using Apache on 
the server side) I get the infamous error message:

[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] Traceback 
(most recent call last):
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]   File 
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 77, in run_main
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] from 
Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]   File 
/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 18, in module
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] import time
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] ImportError: 
ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1: open failed: No such file or 
directory

The Solaris 10 system info:

SunOS hostname 5.10 Generic_118833-24 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraAX-i2

Versions installed:

tcl/tk: 8.4.14
Python: 2.5
Mailman: 2.1.9

All software was compiled from sources. The libgcc_s.so.1 lives in:

bash-3.00# find / -name libgcc_s.so.1
/usr/sfw/lib/sparcv9/libgcc_s.so.1
/usr/sfw/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
/usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
/usr/local/lib/sparcv9/libgcc_s.so.1

The /usr/local/lib version seems to be more recent. Before installation, 
I made sure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to 
/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib:/usr/share/lib and I compiled using 
LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib. I also added this directory to the 
LD_LIBRARY_PATH for apache in the file: /usr/local/apache/bin/envvars:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/apache/lib:/usr/local/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH

Stopped and started apache, to make sure it would get the right 
environment variables.

As 'python' was present in the error message, I did an ldd of python. It 
shows:

bash-3.00# ldd /usr/local/python/bin/python
libresolv.so.2 =/lib/libresolv.so.2
libsocket.so.1 =/lib/libsocket.so.1
libnsl.so.1 =   /lib/libnsl.so.1
librt.so.1 =/lib/librt.so.1
libdl.so.1 =/lib/libdl.so.1
libm.so.2 = /lib/libm.so.2
libc.so.1 = /lib/libc.so.1
libmp.so.2 =/lib/libmp.so.2
libmd5.so.1 =   /lib/libmd5.so.1
libscf.so.1 =   /lib/libscf.so.1
libaio.so.1 =   /lib/libaio.so.1
libdoor.so.1 =  /lib/libdoor.so.1
libuutil.so.1 = /lib/libuutil.so.1
/platform/SUNW,UltraAX-i2/lib/libc_psr.so.1
/platform/SUNW,UltraAX-i2/lib/libmd5_psr.so.1

When I visit the page http://hostname/mailman/admin I get:

quote


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9


  We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of 
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, 
but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.
/quote

The traceback information can be found from the Apache log file and the 
complete log shows:

[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] [- Mailman 
Version: 2.1.9 -]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] [- 
Traceback --]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] Traceback 
(most recent call last):
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]   File 
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line

77, in run_main
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] from 
Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import

StampedLogger
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]   File

/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py, line 18, in module
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] import time
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] ImportError: 
ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1:

open failed: No such file or directory
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] [- Python 
Information -]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] sys.version =
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] 2.5 
(r25:51908, Apr  2 2007, 10:26:44)
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] [GCC 3.4.6]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] sys.executable  =
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10] 
/usr/local/python/bin/python
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] [client 192.168.10.10]
[Mon Apr 02 11:07:06 2007] [error] 

Re: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused errors in smtp-failure

2007-04-02 Thread Dov Zamir
ציטוט Dov Zamir:
 ציטוט Brad Knowles:
   
 At 9:54 AM +0300 4/2/07, Dov Zamir wrote:

 
 After trying everything in the Wiki, i got to the bottom where it says,
 if all else fails, ask the list, so here goes:
   
 You mention the wiki, but you don't say anything about the FAQ Wizard. 
 Did you try everything mentioned in FAQ 3.14 (and related FAQs), as 
 well as FAQ 4.73?

 
 Thanks. Didn't see FAQ 4.73 (but did 3.14). Added the debugging to 
 SMTPdirect and found the eror message. There seems to be a IP4-IP6 
 problem. Trying to fix it now...
   
The problem is an inability to connect to 'localhost'. I added the host 
ip address to mm_cfg.py and solved th problem.
Now I'm trying to figure out why I can't access localhost on port 25.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused errors in smtp-failure

2007-04-02 Thread Larry Stone
On 4/2/07 5:59 AM, Dov Zamir at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The problem is an inability
 to connect to 'localhost'. I added the host 
ip address to mm_cfg.py and
 solved th problem.
Now I'm trying to figure out why I can't access localhost
 on port 25.


Is sendmail configured to listen on localhost (127.0.0.1) as well the host's
TCP/IP address. I'm have very little sendmail experience (and what I have is
years ago) but I know for some of the other MTAs you must explicitly
configure it to listen to localhost separately from the outside TCP/IP
address.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Infamous error ImportError: ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1

2007-04-02 Thread Tokio Kikuchi

 However, when I try to access Mailman via my browser (using Apache on 
 the server side) I get the infamous error message:

 The /usr/local/lib version seems to be more recent. Before installation, 
 I made sure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to 

So, the apache was not running under LD_LIBRARY_PATH envrironment.  You 
should setenv LD_RUN_PATH while compiling or use crle.  Read the crle 
man for detail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Infamous error ImportError: ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1

2007-04-02 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
Dear Tokio,

first of all, thanks for your reply.

Tokio Kikuchi schreef:

 However, when I try to access Mailman via my browser (using Apache on 
 the server side) I get the infamous error message:

 The /usr/local/lib version seems to be more recent. Before 
 installation, I made sure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to 

 So, the apache was not running under LD_LIBRARY_PATH envrironment.  
 You should setenv LD_RUN_PATH while compiling or use crle.  Read the 
 crle man for detail.

I forgot to mention that: before I compiled Python and Mailman, I 
changed the crle from:

Configuration file [version 4]: /var/ld/ld.config
  Default Library Path (ELF):   /lib:/usr/lib  (system default)
  Trusted Directories (ELF):/usr/lib/secure:/opt/SUNWmsgsr/lib

into:

Configuration file [version 4]: /var/ld/ld.config
  Default Library Path (ELF):   /lib:/usr/lib  (system default)
  Trusted Directories (ELF):
/usr/lib/secure:/opt/SUNWmsgsr/lib:/usr/local/lib

Then I rebooted the system and only after that was done, I started 
compiling. However, Apache was compiled under the old crle settings. Do 
you mean I should recompile Apache?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Connection Refused errors in smtp-failure

2007-04-02 Thread Dov Zamir
ציטוט Larry Stone:
 On 4/2/07 5:59 AM, Dov Zamir at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 The problem is an inability
 to connect to 'localhost'. I added the host 
 
 ip address to mm_cfg.py and
   
 solved th problem.
 
 Now I'm trying to figure out why I can't access localhost
   
 on port 25.
 


 Is sendmail configured to listen on localhost (127.0.0.1) as well the host's
 TCP/IP address. I'm have very little sendmail experience (and what I have is
 years ago) but I know for some of the other MTAs you must explicitly
 configure it to listen to localhost separately from the outside TCP/IP
 address.

   
Sendmail is configured to listen on all addresses, this should include 
the localhost address. This server (my test server) is supposedly 
configured identical to my production machines, which all accept 
connects just fine. I'm sure it is a very simple overlook on my side, 
but I can;t find it!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Infamous error ImportError: ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1 (followup)

2007-04-02 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
 However, when I try to access Mailman via my browser (using Apache on 
 the server side) I get the infamous error message:
 

   
 The /usr/local/lib version seems to be more recent. Before installation, 
 I made sure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to 
 

 So, the apache was not running under LD_LIBRARY_PATH envrironment.  You 
 should setenv LD_RUN_PATH while compiling or use crle.  Read the crle 
 man for detail.
   

as a followup to my previous message: I just did a ldd for httpd and 
this is the result:

bash-3.00# ldd /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd
libm.so.2 = /lib/libm.so.2
libaprutil-1.so.0 = /usr/local/apache/lib/libaprutil-1.so.0
libexpat.so.0 = /usr/local/apache/lib/libexpat.so.0
libiconv.so.2 = /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so.2
libapr-1.so.0 = /usr/local/apache/lib/libapr-1.so.0
libuuid.so.1 =  /lib/libuuid.so.1
libsendfile.so.1 =  /lib/libsendfile.so.1
librt.so.1 =/lib/librt.so.1
libsocket.so.1 =/lib/libsocket.so.1
libnsl.so.1 =   /lib/libnsl.so.1
libpthread.so.1 =   /lib/libpthread.so.1
libc.so.1 = /lib/libc.so.1
libgcc_s.so.1 = /usr/local/lib/libgcc_s.so.1
libaio.so.1 =   /lib/libaio.so.1
libmd5.so.1 =   /lib/libmd5.so.1
libmp.so.2 =/lib/libmp.so.2
libscf.so.1 =   /lib/libscf.so.1
libdoor.so.1 =  /lib/libdoor.so.1
libuutil.so.1 = /lib/libuutil.so.1
/platform/SUNW,UltraAX-i2/lib/libc_psr.so.1
/platform/SUNW,UltraAX-i2/lib/libmd5_psr.so.1


So here libgcc_s.so.1 seems to be fine too. Or?

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem with Installing Mailman 2.1.9 on Solaris 10

2007-04-02 Thread David Devereaux-Weber
Hank,

Thanks for your help!

I installed Python 2.4.4.  I did receive errors that tcl and something 
else didn't install.  Now, the Mailman install script still finds 
/opt/csw/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py:213 .  Can you tell me where 
Python 2.4.4 puts the distutils?

Dave

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The esteemed David Devereaux-Weber has said:
   
 I'm having a problem with building mailman 2.1.9 on Solaris 10.  No problems 
 with configure or make, but make install breaks.

 Here is an extract:

 /opt/csw/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py:213: 
 

 There's your problem.
   
 Does anyone see something here?

 
 You're using the wrong Python.  I don't know where you got this Python
 (/opt/csw is not a Solaris 10 directory), but it's behaving the same
 as the Python 2.3 that is in the Solaris 10 distribution installed in
 /usr/sfw.  My recollection is that /opt/csw is being used by one or
 more prebuilt services who have religious tabus about using
 /usr/local, and presume you've downloaded a prebuilt Python package
 and installed it.  

 Download the Python 2.4.4 source (not 2.5 or later), configure, and
 build that.  It will not build completely, but what doesn't build
 (tcl and the ssl functions) isn't needed for Mailman.  Solaris 10
 comes with gcc 3.4.2 in /usr/sfw/bin, which can be used to build both
 Python and Mailman.  

 When you've got Python 2.4.4 built and installed, use which python
 to make sure it's the first one in your path.  
 /usr/local/bin/python

 Also, on a Solaris system (all versions), I strongly recommend
 renaming /usr/ucb/cc to something else so that configure scripts don't
 think the system has a working cc.  That particular cc is a shell
 script stub that is there for historical reasons dating from the
 original SVR4 specification in 1988.  

 If you have downloaded and installed the Sun development system
 (Studio 11 is the current marketing name for it) that installs by
 default in /opt/SUNWspro, use that cc and CC instead of the GNU stuff.
 Note that you'll have to force the configure scripts not to use gcc
 when you run them.  

 Hank 

   
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brad Knowles wrote:

At 8:10 AM +0100 4/2/07, Martin Dennett wrote:

  Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails
  from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?

But there's no per-topic control over this sort of thing.  At least, 
not without making source-code modifications.


But there is a better way. Include a header in the post

Urgent: password

where password is the list admin or moderator password and the post
will be sent to all list members regardless of topic filters, delivery
status or regular/digest.

Note that this must be a message header. putting it in the body will
only result in the password being sent to the list.

Martin used Thunderbird to send the OP. See
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Custom_headers for information on adding
custom headers with Thunderbird, and if you need additional help, see
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-February/055732.html.

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[Mailman-Users] (no subject)

2007-04-02 Thread Con Wieland
I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

constance.frei^M
[EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
  sscm-l

On the web page the address appears as:

constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]

when using list_members listname I get

constance.frei
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  have tried using the examples in the FAQ 3.13. How do I remove a  
user name or email address with an illegal character in it? to remove:

constance.fre
constance.frei^M
constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

All produced errors.
Any help would be appreciated

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Network and Academic Computing Services
University of California at Irvine
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing member with CR in key - was:(no subject)

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Con Wieland wrote:

I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:

constance.frei^M
[EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
  sscm-l

On the web page the address appears as:

constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]

when using list_members listname I get

constance.frei
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  have tried using the examples in the FAQ 3.13. How do I remove a  
user name or email address with an illegal character in it? to remove:

constance.fre
constance.frei^M
constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

All produced errors.
Any help would be appreciated


First, did you see and try the following from FAQ 3.13



Before trying the method(s) below, first try

 % bin/list_members -i listname

If that lists the addresses you want removed, try

 % bin/list_members -i listname | bin/remove_members -f - listname



If that doesn't work, try the following withlist fragment

  m.removeMember(constance.frei
 ... [EMAIL PROTECTED])
  m.Save()
  ^D

and if that doesn't work, try

  del m.members[constance.frei
 ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  m.Save()
  ^D

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (no subject)

2007-04-02 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 4/2/07, Con Wieland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 constance.frei^M
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
   sscm-l
'^M' is the control character for a carriage return. With bash, doing:
~$ foo '
  '

will let you type a literal carriage return. This is :
(1) Type your command
(2) Type a single quote ( ' )
(3) Type anything before the line break
(4) Press enter, as if you were going to execute the command
(5) Bash gives you the ' ' prompt; type anything after the line break
(6) Type the closing single quote ( ' )
(7) Press enter, or type in more arguments.

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[Mailman-Users] Getting users to confirm

2007-04-02 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
I run list for some very non-technical users, with my site being  
their only experience with any MLM system for many of them.

The single biggest problem that I have is that users fail to  
recognize that they need to act on confirmation requests.  As far as  
I can tell, they treat the confirmation request as an actual  
confirmation that everything is done.

Where would I go about changing the subject line of the confirmation  
requests, and what would people recommend.

Am I the only experiencing this?  I believe that I've made things  
clear to users on my static pages

   http://lists.shepard-families.org/

and in all of the administrative messages I send to the list.  But  
this just doesn't seem to be enough.

Also is there a way to get a listing of all things pending  
confirmation (not just subscriptions, but address changes as well)?

-j

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[Mailman-Users] Do I need to be on this list to be on other lists?

2007-04-02 Thread Michael Hodgson
I am trying to get on the new-imc list, but somehow I got here, and so far 
have not gotten emails from that email list. Can anyone help me? I don't think 
I belong here :p

Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On 4/2/07, Con Wieland wrote:
 I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 constance.frei^M
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
 sscm-l
'^M' is the control character for a carriage return. With bash, doing:
~$ foo '
 '

will let you type a literal carriage return. This is :
(1) Type your command
(2) Type a single quote ( ' )
(3) Type anything before the line break
(4) Press enter, as if you were going to execute the command
(5) Bash gives you the ' ' prompt; type anything after the line break
(6) Type the closing single quote ( ' )
(7) Press enter, or type in more arguments.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Do I need to be on this list to be on other lists?

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Hodgson wrote:

I am trying to get on the new-imc list, but somehow I got here, and so far 
have not gotten emails from that email list. Can anyone help me? I don't think 
I belong here :p


No, you don't need to be on this list. To unsubscribe, send an email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

We have no information about the new-imc list which presumably uses
Mailman software, but otherwise seems to have no connection to the
Mailman project or python.org.

You may find the List Member Manual at
http://www.list.org/mailman-member/index.html to be helpful.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing member with CR in key - was:(no subject)

2007-04-02 Thread Con Wieland

On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Con Wieland wrote:

 I have found the following bad address using ./find_member -l sscm-l
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 constance.frei^M
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] found in:
  sscm-l

 On the web page the address appears as:

 constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 when using list_members listname I get

 constance.frei
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  have tried using the examples in the FAQ 3.13. How do I remove a
 user name or email address with an illegal character in it? to  
 remove:

 constance.fre
 constance.frei^M
 constance.frei [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 All produced errors.
 Any help would be appreciated


 First, did you see and try the following from FAQ 3.13

 

 Before trying the method(s) below, first try

  % bin/list_members -i listname

 If that lists the addresses you want removed, try

  % bin/list_members -i listname | bin/remove_members -f - listname

Yes I did, it didn't show up that way.


 

 If that doesn't work, try the following withlist fragment

 m.removeMember(constance.frei
  ... [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 m.Save()
 ^D


I get this error:

  m.removeMember(constance.frei
... [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File console, line 1, in ?
   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line  
219, in removeMember
 assert self.__mlist.Locked()
AssertionError


 and if that doesn't work, try

 del m.members[constance.frei
  ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 m.Save()
 ^D

and with this I get:

  del m.members[constance.frei
... [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File console, line 1, in ?
KeyError: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'




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Network and Support Programming

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting users to confirm

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

Where would I go about changing the subject line of the confirmation  
requests, and what would people recommend.


You may have already done this, but if the subject you are seeing is
confirm hex token, You can change it to Your confirmation is
required to join the %(listname)s mailing list by setting

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py, assuming your MTA can handle the VERP like address in the
reply.

If you have done this, and you are asking about changing the Your
confirmation is required to join the %(listname)s mailing list
subject, this requires patching the text in the
GetConfirmJoinSubject() definition in Mailman/MailList.py.

You can also edit the body of the message by making an edited version
of the verify.txt template. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp.


Am I the only experiencing this?  I believe that I've made things  
clear to users on my static pages

   http://lists.shepard-families.org/

and in all of the administrative messages I send to the list.  But  
this just doesn't seem to be enough.

Also is there a way to get a listing of all things pending  
confirmation (not just subscriptions, but address changes as well)?


bin/dumpdb lists/listname/pending.pck

will show them, albeit in a cryptic form. Also, it shows some that are
expired so you have to look at the timestamps in the 'evictions'
dictionary.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing member with CR in key - was:(no subject)

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Con Wieland wrote:

On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:32 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 First, did you see and try the following from FAQ 3.13

 

 Before trying the method(s) below, first try

  % bin/list_members -i listname

 If that lists the addresses you want removed, try

  % bin/list_members -i listname | bin/remove_members -f - listname

Yes I did, it didn't show up that way.


OK.


 If that doesn't work, try the following withlist fragment

 m.removeMember(constance.frei
  ... [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 m.Save()
 ^D


I get this error:

  m.removeMember(constance.frei
... [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File console, line 1, in ?
   File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py, line  
219, in removeMember
 assert self.__mlist.Locked()
AssertionError


Because you didn't specify the -l (or --lock) option on the withlist
command.


 and if that doesn't work, try

 del m.members[constance.frei
  ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 m.Save()
 ^D

and with this I get:

  del m.members[constance.frei
... [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File console, line 1, in ?
KeyError: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'


Is this invalid member a regular member, or a digest member? If digest,
the above needs to be

  del m.digest_members[constance.frei
 ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

BUT you should first try the removeMember() method with the list locked.

If none of these work, there something transparent in the key beyond
just the simple new-line. Try

% bin/find_member -l listname [EMAIL PROTECTED] | od -t c to see what
besides \n is in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'.

Possibly it is '\r' instead of '\n', in which case, try

 m.removeMember('[EMAIL PROTECTED]')

in withlist with the list locked.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting users to confirm

2007-04-02 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
[mailed and posted]

On Apr 2, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

 Where would I go about changing the subject line of the confirmation
 requests, and what would people recommend.


 You may have already done this, but if the subject you are seeing is
 confirm hex token, You can change it to Your confirmation is
 required to join the %(listname)s mailing list by setting

 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

 in mm_cfg.py, assuming your MTA can handle the VERP like address in  
 the
 reply.

Great.  That does exactly what I want.  I believe that I've already  
set up postfix to do the right thing with username+something  
addresses.  Yes. I've just tested and it works like a charm.

 Also is there a way to get a listing of all things pending
 confirmation (not just subscriptions, but address changes as well)?


 bin/dumpdb lists/listname/pending.pck

 will show them, albeit in a cryptic form.

Thanks that works.

 Also, it shows some that are
 expired so you have to look at the timestamps in the 'evictions'
 dictionary.

Where do I find the evictions dictionary?  And how do I query it?

   find /usr/local/mailman -name evict* -ls

turned up nothing.  (In my set-up, FreeBSD, the stuff that's  
typically in /var/lib/mailman is under /usr/local/mailman)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing member with CR in key - was:(nosubject)

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote:

If none of these work, there something transparent in the key beyond
just the simple new-line. Try

% bin/find_member -l listname [EMAIL PROTECTED] | od -t c to see what
besides \n is in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'.


Just in case it's difficult to distinguish the command from the rest of
the above, the command is

 bin/find_member -l listname [EMAIL PROTECTED] | od -t c

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Re: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error with postfix

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Neven Luetic wrote:

Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the mail
wrapper script to be executed as group list, but
the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group root.  Try tweaking the mail server to run the
script as group list, or re-run configure, 
providing the command line option `--with-mail-gid=root'.

I read the FAQ, and the hints about file ownership of the mailman
aliases file in combination with postfix. It is set correctly to user
and owner list and 660:
-rw-rw  1 list list 6,7K 2006-09-18 16:37 aliases
-rw-rw  1 list list  12K 2006-09-18 16:37 aliases.db


This looks correct assuming that the particular alias in question came
from the above aliases file and not from /etc/aliases* or some other
file owned by root.


Then I tried to install mailman from source giving --with-mail-gid=list
in case some other file is involved, but that didn't help either.


You have it backwards. The wrapper already expected group 'list'. You
would have had to specify --with-mail-gid=root to fix the above
mismatch. See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq06.016.htp.


The wrapper-script has ownership root:list and guid bit set:
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root list 6,5K 2006-09-20 14:19 mailman


It doesn't look like SETGID is set. It should be -rwxr-sr-x.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting users to confirm

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

On Apr 2, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:

 Also is there a way to get a listing of all things pending
 confirmation (not just subscriptions, but address changes as well)?


 bin/dumpdb lists/listname/pending.pck

 will show them, albeit in a cryptic form.

Thanks that works.

 Also, it shows some that are
 expired so you have to look at the timestamps in the 'evictions'
 dictionary.

Where do I find the evictions dictionary?  And how do I query it?


The 'evictions' dictionary is one of the attributes of the pickled
object in pending.pck.

Items you see in the dumpdb output mostly look like

 'c34dcd5ffbb70a207f4cac165fff807315aefadd': ('H', 16686),
 'c72443543da4ddd5fd2d4e13b3b33cc09d6ebb8d': ('H', 16704),
 'cbced5736c28706cf70b9106d2ab39ef02c05621': ('S', UserDesc)

These are key:value pairs. The key is the confirm token and the value
is a 2-tuple consisting of a request type and data. The types are

# Types of pending records
SUBSCRIPTION = 'S'
UNSUBSCRIPTION = 'U'
CHANGE_OF_ADDRESS = 'C'
HELD_MESSAGE = 'H'
RE_ENABLE = 'E'
PROBE_BOUNCE = 'P'

The data depend on the request type. For a HELD_MESSAGE data is the
message number. For a SUBSCRIPTION it's a UserDesc instance (the
details of which are removed in my example); for an UNSUBSCRIPTION,
its just the address; for a CHANGE_OF_ADDRESS, it's a tuple of (old
addr, new addr, global flag), etc.

Amongst these entries (in hashed, i.e. virtually random sequence) is
one that looks like

 'evictions': {...}

i.e., the key is 'evictions' and the value is a (multi-line)
dictionary. The entries in this dictionary look like

  '0374376b960f19345b85b41e6abd9ea3d70319b1': 1175729853.4594159,

where the key is one of the confirm tokens and the value is the
expiration time of that token in floating point seconds since the
epoch.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman on a different port

2007-04-02 Thread Michael Grant
I installed mailman on a vhost on a different port number other than port 80 and
I noticed that when I went to the admin page, the links on that page
did not include the :portnumber in them, hence, they didn't work.

That shouldn't be too hard to fix.  Is there some way to configure
that in the meantime?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Martin Dennett wrote:

I have a test list, and tried this out. I subscribed a couple of extra 
accounts of mine to the list, and set them to No Mail (disabled by 
administrator). Sending a mail to the list with the Urgent: password 
header worked for my normal account (this one), but not for the other 
accounts. Any ideas as to why? I assume it's the (A) flag?


It shouldn't be. The Urgent: header does one of two things. If the
password is correct, it bypasses all the filters including nomail for
any reason and makes the recipient list equal to all the list members,
regular and digest.. If the password is not correct, it just sends the
message back to you with the same subject and wrapped with another
part that says

  Your urgent message to the listname mailing list was not authorized
  for delivery.  The original message as received by Mailman is
  attached.

Are you sure that's not what you received?


On a better note, I checked the headers and found that the password 
doesn't appear ;-). Don't want my more savvy members checking things out 
and discovering what they shouldn't ;-)


That's right. The Urgent: header will be removed before the message is
sent to the list members.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] group mismatch error with postfix

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Neven Luetic wrote:

Meanwhile I noticed that I get the same error, even if I move the
mailman file away. 


The group mismatch error is coming from some Mailman mail/mailman
wrapper, so if you move yours aside and still get the error, Postfix
is piping to a different wrapper.

Look at your Postfix configuration and find every alias file it
references and look in all those files. There is some aliases* file
somewhere referenced by Postfix and probably owned by root which is
piping mail for this list to some other wrapper.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman on a different port

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Grant wrote:

I installed mailman on a vhost on a different port number other than port 80 
and
I noticed that when I went to the admin page, the links on that page
did not include the :portnumber in them, hence, they didn't work.

That shouldn't be too hard to fix.  Is there some way to configure
that in the meantime?


Add the port to DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN. If it is currently the default, set

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s:nn/mailman/'

in mm_cfg.py where nn is the port you want. Also modify
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL as in

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s:nn/pipermail/%(listname)s'

Then you need to run fix_url under bin/withlist to fix the existing
lists (run bin/fix_url.py for help).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Topics and senders

2007-04-02 Thread Martin Dennett
Mark

Thanks for that. I'm wasn't familiar with customising Thunderbird, and 
my other co-moderator uses OE (for his sins). I did manage to follow the 
latter link of your mail to set up the header though.

I have a test list, and tried this out. I subscribed a couple of extra 
accounts of mine to the list, and set them to No Mail (disabled by 
administrator). Sending a mail to the list with the Urgent: password 
header worked for my normal account (this one), but not for the other 
accounts. Any ideas as to why? I assume it's the (A) flag?

On a better note, I checked the headers and found that the password 
doesn't appear ;-). Don't want my more savvy members checking things out 
and discovering what they shouldn't ;-)

Rgds

MD

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Brad Knowles wrote:

   
 At 8:10 AM +0100 4/2/07, Martin Dennett wrote:

 
  Is there anyway I can amend the topic so that only mails
  from a moderator address are sent to the list, and not the replies?
   
 But there's no per-topic control over this sort of thing.  At least, 
 not without making source-code modifications.
 


 But there is a better way. Include a header in the post

 Urgent: password

 where password is the list admin or moderator password and the post
 will be sent to all list members regardless of topic filters, delivery
 status or regular/digest.

 Note that this must be a message header. putting it in the body will
 only result in the password being sent to the list.

 Martin used Thunderbird to send the OP. See
 http://kb.mozillazine.org/Custom_headers for information on adding
 custom headers with Thunderbird, and if you need additional help, see
 http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-February/055732.html.

   

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Infamous error ImportError: ld.so.1: python: fatal: libgcc_s.so.1 (followup)

2007-04-02 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Rolf E. Sonneveld wrote:
 Tokio Kikuchi wrote:
 However, when I try to access Mailman via my browser (using Apache on 
 the server side) I get the infamous error message:
 
   
 The /usr/local/lib version seems to be more recent. Before installation, 
 I made sure that LD_LIBRARY_PATH was set to 
 
 So, the apache was not running under LD_LIBRARY_PATH envrironment.  You 
 should setenv LD_RUN_PATH while compiling or use crle.  Read the crle 
 man for detail.
   
 
 as a followup to my previous message: I just did a ldd for httpd and 
 this is the result:
 
 bash-3.00# ldd /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd

It's not httpd which caused that error.  Maybe its python and/or a 
module which resides in python library path (.../lib/python2.x/) which 
is called from httpd running environment.  You should set LD_RUN_PATH 
properly while compiling python, mailman, and httpd.  LD_LIBRARY_PATH is 
only effective when the compiled executable is running.  So, you might 
want to startup httpd like:
# LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/whatever/lib /some/where/bin/apachectl start


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Traceback

2007-04-02 Thread No One
I'm struggling with a host of issues trying to install Mandriva 2007.0. One of 
the problems I'm having is getting mailman configured from a working config on 
Mandrake 10.1. I copied what I thought I needed but get a trace back when I try 
to start mailman. Here is the trace back:

Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/sbin/mailmanctl, line 548, in ?
main()
  File /usr/sbin/mailmanctl, line 367, in main
check_for_site_list()
  File /usr/sbin/mailmanctl, line 277, in check_for_site_list
sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__
self.Load()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 665, in Load
self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 707, in CheckVersion
self.InitVars()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 413, in InitVars
if Utils.GetCharSet(self.preferred_language) == 'us-ascii':
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 675, in GetCharSet
return mm_cfg.LC_DESCRIPTIONS[lang][1]
KeyError: 'en_US'

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Traceback

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
No One wrote:

I'm struggling with a host of issues trying to install Mandriva 2007.0. One of 
the problems I'm having is getting mailman configured from a working config on 
Mandrake 10.1. I copied what I thought I needed but get a trace back when I 
try to start mailman. Here is the trace back:

Starting mailman: Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/sbin/mailmanctl, line 548, in ?
main()
  File /usr/sbin/mailmanctl, line 367, in main
check_for_site_list()
  File /usr/sbin/mailmanctl, line 277, in check_for_site_list
sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 130, in __init__
self.Load()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 665, in Load
self.CheckVersion(dict)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 707, in CheckVersion
self.InitVars()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py, line 413, in InitVars
if Utils.GetCharSet(self.preferred_language) == 'us-ascii':
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py, line 675, in GetCharSet
return mm_cfg.LC_DESCRIPTIONS[lang][1]
KeyError: 'en_US'


This is a Mandravia issue. There is no 'en-US' language in Mailman. See
the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049533.html
for the solution.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Traceback

2007-04-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mark Sapiro wrote:

This is a Mandravia issue. There is no 'en-US' language in Mailman. See
the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049533.html
for the solution.


BTW, the above thread is broken in the archive. It continues at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049543.html.


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