[Mailman-Users] TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported

2007-05-18 Thread James Davis
mailman 2.1.5-8sarge5 running on Debian 4.0. It's actually a custom
package I built myself with only minor changes for my mail environment.

It's an odd one... A search of Google and the archives shows that it's
been discussed before but with no definitive answer. One user is having
problems posting to a list. Mailman's error log shows the following
error, the e-mail which caused the problem is also supplied below.

Any idea what's causing this problem?

Thanks,

James

May 18 09:50:13 2007 (29323) Uncaught runner exception: decoding Unicode
is not supported
May 18 09:50:13 2007 (29323) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 130, in
_dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 153, in
_dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 91, in process
send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 132, in
send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 306, in
send_i18n_digests
msg = scrubber(mlist, msg)
  File /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py, line 318, in process
partcharset = part.get_content_charset()
  File email/Message.py, line 800, in get_content_charset
TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported

May 18 09:50:13 2007 (29323) SHUNTING:
1179478212.3616531+d13a31b783297c1f32c72ac08da016a012618db4

Here's the e-mail that caused the error.

Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivery-date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:50:11 +0100
Received: from web25413.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.176.231])
by freecharity.org.uk with smtp (Exim 4.63)
(envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
id 1HoyA5-0002yc-4y
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 18 May 2007 09:50:11 +0100
Received: (qmail 17787 invoked by uid 60001); 18 May 2007 08:50:09 -
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
  s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk;

h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID;

b=TdkF35y16JDEIDEuLY4cGmrqstW67SrzR6Oj1Pa1Fc06qQZQFQx030h9xSizSQqXW/c5l9iDUCR9fCDlaR4yfzl8r7J/5vFS3F0UWj6NNGrqRnDTTe97jnOI7EVkaGK5qlJd7WcHhiGtR18sYPc+IacwfC8bVeuaECjzrq8P7cU=;
X-YMail-OSG:
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Received: from [195.110.70.55] by web25413.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP;
Fri, 18 May 2007 08:50:08 GMT
X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23.1 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.14
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:50:08 + (GMT)
From: Stefan Laros [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Symphony
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=0-707090045-1179478208=:17471
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+)
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0
tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no
version=_VERSION

--0-707090045-1179478208=:17471
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii

All,

Further to my earlier e-mails: we will only be rehearsing the symphony
this Sunday!

See you then  there.

Stefan
--0-707090045-1179478208=:17471
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii

htmlheadstyle type=text/css!-- DIV {margin:0px;}
--/style/headbodydiv style=font-family:arial, helvetica,
sans-serif;font-size:10ptDIV/DIV
DIV

DIV style=FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif
DIV/DIV
DIVAll,/DIV
DIVnbsp;/DIV
DIVFurther to my earlier e-mails: we will only be rehearsing the
symphony thisnbsp;Sunday!BR/DIV
DIVSee you then amp; there./DIV
DIVnbsp;/DIV

DIVStefan/DIV
DIVnbsp;/DIV
DIVnbsp;/DIV/DIV/DIV/div/body/html
--0-707090045-1179478208=:17471--

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for professional help

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Carpenter
Just to let everyone know I am going with the following solution:

Hypermail (http://www.hypermail.org/) for archiving and Sphider
(http://cs.ioc.ee/~ando/sphider/) as the search engine.

Since cPanel would overwrite any changes or patches I would make to the
mailman installation whenever a new version would come out, I decided to nix
the idea of using a custom patch applied to my mailman installation. I
rather use a third party solution such as above to create archives on a list
by list basis.

My programmer will be doing the installation and configuration and will be
detailing the steps to setup searchable archives outside of mailman's
installation directory. Would this be something worthwhile to add to the
Mailman FAQ?

Kind regards,
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan
Van Laningham
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for professional help


Hi All--

Brad Knowles wrote:
 
 Really, these kinds of questions should be directed at your service
 provider (assuming they installed cPanel for you), or the cPanel 
 folks.  They've made some extensive changes to the Mailman code and 
 haven't contributed those back to us, so our ability to support their 
 package is extremely limited.
 

That's interesting.  I use Plesk, and have not found anything different 
in my Mailman installation in the Python/HTML and config files other 
than a different base location than an installed-from-source Mailman 
would have.  Everything behaves the way I expect, except for the fact 
that I have to create lists using Plesk, which is not a hardship (and in 
fact it's easier than my much older previous installation from source).

Does anyone know whether or not Plesk has made any changes?

Metta,
Ivan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for professional help

2007-05-18 Thread Barry Warsaw
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On May 18, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:

 My programmer will be doing the installation and configuration and  
 will be
 detailing the steps to setup searchable archives outside of mailman's
 installation directory. Would this be something worthwhile to add  
 to the
 Mailman FAQ?

That or the Mailman wiki wiki.list.org

Please do!
- -Barry

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[Mailman-Users] Suprised unsubscribes

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Carpenter
Hi List:
 
I had a client report to me this morning that several of his lists
mysteriously unsubscribed members of the list without their permission or
interventions. As far as I can tell these members were not generating any
bounces. I checked the FAQ and archives of this list but I found nothing
that would explain this behavior.
 
Could there be any other possible reasons for this other than:
 
1. Intentional action by member
2. Intentional action by administrator
3. Bounce removal
 
Any insight would be helpful. Thanks.
 

Kind regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for professional help

2007-05-18 Thread Ivan Van Laningham
Hi All--
Brian, will these be publicly searchable and publicly accessible 
archives?  I would like to make my private archives searchable, but only 
by subscribed members.  Either way, however, you should certainly update 
the FAQ/Wiki.

Metta,
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Barry Warsaw wrote:
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 On May 18, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
 
 My programmer will be doing the installation and configuration and 
 will be
 detailing the steps to setup searchable archives outside of mailman's
 installation directory. Would this be something worthwhile to add to the
 Mailman FAQ?
 
 That or the Mailman wiki wiki.list.org
 
 Please do!
 - -Barry
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for professional help

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Carpenter
Only if the client wants it. If they want it private then setting them up
with password protection via .htaccess is easy enough.

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ivan
Van Laningham
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:25 AM
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for professional help


Hi All--
Brian, will these be publicly searchable and publicly accessible 
archives?  I would like to make my private archives searchable, but only 
by subscribed members.  Either way, however, you should certainly update 
the FAQ/Wiki.

Metta,
Ivan

Barry Warsaw wrote:
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 On May 18, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
 
 My programmer will be doing the installation and configuration and
 will be
 detailing the steps to setup searchable archives outside of mailman's
 installation directory. Would this be something worthwhile to add to the
 Mailman FAQ?
 
 That or the Mailman wiki wiki.list.org
 
 Please do!
 - -Barry
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HOWTO for easy subscribe/unsubscribe via a simplewebform

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
peter pilsl wrote:

Unfortunately the Unsubscribe still gives me a headache. Creating a simple 
webform seems to be almost impossible, cause the unsubscribe-link needs to 
contain the users mailadress and does not respect the confirmation needed for 
unsubscription-settings in the list-options


The confirmation needed for unsubscription-settings in the
list-options controls whether or not a list admin or moderator must
approve the unsubscription. It does not control whether or not the
user has to confirm an unsubscription request.

In order to prevent users from being onsubscribed by third parties
without their consent, Mailman requires the any unsubscription request
that does not come from the list admin interface or the password
authenticated user be confirmed by the user's response to a
confirmation email.

If you want to bypass this confirmation, you need to submit the request
for example as though it came from the admin mass removal page with
the list admin or moderator password or from the user options page
with the user's or the list admin or moderator password.

See the whole thread starting at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041213.html
for more information.



http://SERVERNAME/mailman/options/LISTNAME/ADRESS?unsub=Unsubscribe;unsubconfirm=1


The above needs a password to avoid confirmation. See the referenced
thread.


And I didnt find a way to customize the unsubscribe-result-html-page


It is built on the fly by code/data in Mailman/Cgi/options.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Please help with some list options...

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mailman Users wrote:

Then install your modified option file:
bin/config_list -i data/YourListName.cfg YourListName


Just in case anyone doesn't realize it, it is not necessary to provide
bin/config_list with a complete configuration. It is sufficient to
include in the input only the things you wish to change.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 'Discard all messages marked Defer' not working

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rick Pasotto wrote:

On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 03:45:42PM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote:
 It doesn't work for subscription requests. It still works fine for
 posts.
 
 On a page that had one of each the post was discarded but not the
 subscription request. On a page with just a subscription request
 nothing at all happens.
 
 Using 2.1.9 on debian.

It just occurred to me that 'messages' != 'administrative requests'
which is how I was reading it.

If that is in fact the intent, is there some way it could be made
clearer? It certainly makes no sense to have the option when there are
no messages to which it would apply though I do recognize the difficulty
of programming that.


Yes, it is the intent that it apply only to 'messages'.

Do you have a suggestion as to how to make it more clear?

I agree that it doesn't make sense to offer the option when there are
no messages on the page, but as you recognize, this would require an
initial extra pass through the requests as the page is currently built
sequentially, and the checkbox at the top is created before we know if
any of the requests are 'messages'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a list for invitation-onlysubscriptions?

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Carter Braxton wrote:

I think I'm getting close -- so far I've done the following:

1. Disabled the -subscribe email address for the list.

2. Edited the list info page to remove the signup option and
replaced it with a notice that membership is via invitation only.
(I found the file to modify is /etc/mailman/en/listinfo.html.)

3. Made sure the list is not advertised on the site-wide web page.

4. Used apache to impose a name and password for web access.

This pretty much leaves the subscribe option in the email
interface as the remaining loophole. I would need to modify
the Mailman source to remove this keyword, and to modify
the help file that users can request. (Anyone know offhand
what files are involved?)

Of course I could just disable the -request address for
the list, disabling the email interface entirely. I'm a
little reluctant to do this, though I expect that at this
point most users will want to use thuh web to manage
their options.


You really don't need to go to all this trouble. Just set
subscribe_policy to approve or confirm and approve and manually
discard any held subscription requests.

Acceptance of an invitation is not held, so that is not an issue. I
really don't think there would be so many subscribe requests that
discarding them via the admindb interface would be an issue.

If you really want to disable the subscribe email command, just change
Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py to respond that subscription is by
invitation only. That will take care of subscribe commande to -request
as well as mail to -subscribe and -join.

If you want to remove the subscribe info from the help command, you can
just remove

def gethelp(mlist):
return _(__doc__)

from Mailman/Commands/cmd_subscribe.py. Or you can change the doc
string in that module to provide an alternate message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to configure a list for invitation-onlysubscriptions?

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Carter Braxton wrote:

Thanks -- I thought of trying something like that, trouble is that requires 
that I would have to manually approve all of those who respond to the 
invitations, and that could potentially be several hundred (kind of a pain).


No it doesn't. Regardless of subscribe_policy, invitations only have to
be accepted by the user. Further confirmation or approval is not
required.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and LDAP

2007-05-18 Thread Matt Zimmerman
I am using Mailman 2.19. Has written any scripts to sync Mailing lists with
LDAP? Just wondering.

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] how can i simulate mailman pages

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:

 i tested it, but it does not work and i don't know
 why.

The problem is probably that the /admin/* pages require the list or
site admin password to be in a cookie, and normal users aren't going
to have that.


It can also be provided in the POST data. See for example the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041213.html.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] neither receiving or sending

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Michael Rainey wrote:

It is a binary packaged version, Linux, not sure which flavor, always 
assumed Redhat


If it's RedHat with Mailman 2.1.5, the installation is probably in
/var/mailman an the log files in /var/log/mailman.


The aliases are there.

I am ready to tell them to go ahead and do a complete reinstall, but 
want to make sure I have got my subscriber list intact. It should be 
visible to me as admin but is not, and even when I change privacy option 
to list visible to subscribers or to all it doe not let me see.


Can you see the membership on the admin membership list?

The roster doesn't show hidden members regardless of who requests it
(this will be fixed in 2.1.10).

Don't do the reinstall untill you have gone through
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.078.htp.
My guess as the most likely problem is the qrunners aren't running
(item 1b in the FAQ). You may not be able to do some things like
bin/check_perms, but check the things you can.


I rely on CP completely as am novice at SSH and also afraid I will mess 
it up even more. I do have a CP for server and access/ see root there

Two issues:
1. How can I see, retrieve or back up my list (remembering I know how to 
log in with SSH but that's about all)


/var/mailman/lists/listname/config.pck (assuming I have the first
part of the path right) has all the list settings, the membership list
and all the member options.

/var/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox has all
you need to rebuild the archives with /var/mailman/bin/arch, and the
already built archives are in /var/mailman/archives/private/listname/


2. Any other ideas about basic not sending or receiving.


The above referenced FAQ article.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] TypeError: decoding Unicode is not supported

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
James Davis wrote:

It's an odd one... A search of Google and the archives shows that it's
been discussed before but with no definitive answer. One user is having
problems posting to a list. Mailman's error log shows the following
error, the e-mail which caused the problem is also supplied below.

Any idea what's causing this problem?


The shunted message is not the one causing the problem. It will happen
to every message from now on as the problem is caused by some prior
message in lists/listname/digest.mbox.

If you move the digest.mbox aside, the list will start processing again
and you can run bin/unshunt to process the shunted messages.

The best way to fix it is to edit the digest.mbox in place and fix
the offending message (which may have a Content-Type: header with
charset=Unicode instead of charset=utf-8), and then unshunt any
messages that were shunted due to this error.

If you just move digest.mbox aside and don't replace it, you'll lose a
digest. even if you do fix and replace it, you may wind up with and
'out of sequence' digest.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Suprised unsubscribes

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brian Carpenter wrote:
 
I had a client report to me this morning that several of his lists
mysteriously unsubscribed members of the list without their permission or
interventions. As far as I can tell these members were not generating any
bounces. I checked the FAQ and archives of this list but I found nothing
that would explain this behavior.
 
Could there be any other possible reasons for this other than:
 
1. Intentional action by member
2. Intentional action by administrator
3. Bounce removal


Check Mailman's subscribe log? The unsubscribes and reasons should be
there.

Members with stale bounce info can be disabled (or unsubscribed if
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0) if bounce_score_threshold is
lowered to a value = the member's stale bounce score.

I suppose you could add to your list 'intentional action by a third
party who somehow compromised user passwords, the list admin password
or the site password or found an unknown security hole'. I don't think
this is likely, particularly the security hole. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and LDAP

2007-05-18 Thread Mark Sapiro
Matt Zimmerman wrote:

I am using Mailman 2.19. Has written any scripts to sync Mailing lists with
LDAP? Just wondering.


Get your membership list from LDAP and use bin/sync_members to update
Mailman.


You might also be interested in
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=871062group_id=103atid=300103.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Suprised unsubscribes

2007-05-18 Thread Brian Carpenter
Thanks Mark. You led to me to the answer. Actually here is what happended.

Client subscribed an e-mail forwarded to a list. This e-mail forwarder
forwards to some other mailing lists. Well someone unsubscribed the e-mail
forwarded from a list and the unsubscribe notification was sent to it and
then forwarded on to some other mailing lists. So people from these other
lists also receive unsubscribe notifications and panic.

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind (log files), the answer is
blowing in the wind (log files).

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-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 4:01 PM
To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Suprised unsubscribes


Brian Carpenter wrote:
 
I had a client report to me this morning that several of his lists 
mysteriously unsubscribed members of the list without their permission 
or interventions. As far as I can tell these members were not 
generating any bounces. I checked the FAQ and archives of this list but 
I found nothing that would explain this behavior.
 
Could there be any other possible reasons for this other than:
 
1. Intentional action by member
2. Intentional action by administrator
3. Bounce removal


Check Mailman's subscribe log? The unsubscribes and reasons should be there.

Members with stale bounce info can be disabled (or unsubscribed if
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0) if bounce_score_threshold is lowered
to a value = the member's stale bounce score.

I suppose you could add to your list 'intentional action by a third party
who somehow compromised user passwords, the list admin password or the site
password or found an unknown security hole'. I don't think
this is likely, particularly the security hole. 

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