Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman to send email via another port (not port 25)

[Spyro Polymiadis]

Awesome, did the trick exactly :)
Cheers

-Original Message-
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2008 6:24 PM
To: Spyro Polymiadis; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Configuring mailman to send email via another port 
(not port 25)

On 1/16/08, Spyro Polymiadis wrote:

>  Is there a way to configure mailman to not send mail to lists members via
>  the default SMTP port?
>  Can I force it to use a second smtp port on the mail server, ie port 2500
>  for instance?

 From /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py:

# SMTP host and port, when DELIVERY_MODULE is 'SMTPDirect'.  Make sure the
# host exists and is resolvable (i.e., if it's the default of "localhost" be
# sure there's a localhost entry in your /etc/hosts file!)
SMTPHOST = 'localhost'
SMTPPORT = 0  # default from smtplib


Of course, if you want to make any changes to use alternative
hostnames or ports, you'd make those in your mm_cfg.py file and then
restart Mailman.


Take a long look through this file.  There's lots of good stuff here.
Consider this file to be part of the documentation you should be
looking at.

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[Mailman-Users] Spamassasin and Mailman

[James Grace]

A quick question on how to implement SpamAssasin with Mailman.  How? >:}
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[Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

[Liss]

 I've finally got my mailing list up and running, but no matter what I do,
every single msg comes with a .txt attachment. I cant figure out how to shut
it off!
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
Liss
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Spamassasin and Mailman

[Brad Knowles]

On 1/16/08, James Grace wrote:

>  A quick question on how to implement SpamAssasin with Mailman.  How? >:}

Quick answer -- don't.  Do it in your MTA instead.

Long answer -- see the FAQ Wizard.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

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On 1/16/08, Liss wrote:

>  I've finally got my mailing list up and running, but no matter what I do,
>  every single msg comes with a .txt attachment. I cant figure out how to shut
>  it off!

Search the FAQ Wizard for "footer".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

[Dragon]

Liss wrote:
>  I've finally got my mailing list up and running, but no matter what I do,
>every single msg comes with a .txt attachment. I cant figure out how to shut
>it off!
>
>Any ideas?
>
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Here is your problem:

"X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353"


The only way you can "fix" this is to stop using Microsoft Outlook 
and/or post only in plain-text, not HTML.

This is not a problem with mailman, it is how Outlook interprets 
multi-part MIME mail messages and the fact that mailman cannot 
determine exactly where to insert a footer into an HTML message as it 
can with a plain-text one. Mailman adds the footer for the list as a 
separate MIME part of the message preserving the original in its own part.

Microsoft chose to show the additional parts of a multi-part message 
as attachments even though they should be rendered in-line like 
Eudora and Thunderbird and a number of other programs do. It is not 
necessarily incorrect to treat such messages this way as the RFCs 
governing it give no guidelines on displaying a message in this form.

This was also addressed on this list at least a couple of times in 
the last week or so.

As Mark has both pointed out, see FAQ entry 4.039 for more detail:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp

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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

[Liss]

 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

 The only info in the list attachment is the list info itself:

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news Weekly Newsletter
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://lists.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/mylist

---

 It happens when I send any html mail -  I have tried every setting I can
think of to shut it off... 

~frustrated~


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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

[Zbigniew Szalbot]

Hello

2008/1/16, Liss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing
>
>  The only info in the list attachment is the list info itself:
>
> --
> news Weekly Newsletter
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://lists.mydomain.com/mailman/listinfo/mylist
>
> ---
>
>  It happens when I send any html mail -  I have tried every setting I can
> think of to shut it off...

Just delete any list info from non-digest options page.

Kind regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

[Liss]

 
>  It happens when I send any html mail -  I have tried every setting I 
> can think of to shut it off...

Just delete any list info from non-digest options page.,



OMG, THANK You!!! It worked Great, thank you SO Very Much. 

~Liss

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Re: [Mailman-Users] attachments in every email showing

[Dragon]

Liss sent the message below at 10:01 1/16/2008:
>Okay, but when I send a message to THIS list (which is also mailman) using
>html and Outlook, it doesn't create this issue & goes through the list
>without the attachment.
>
>Why does it work with Mailman user list but not my own?
>
>Thanks for the link, I just subscribed yesterday and I'm having a heck of a
>time locating threads that help.
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The reason you do not see the attachment behavior here is because 
this list is configured to scrub HTML and send in plain text. Since 
the message is flattened to plain text, mailman can simply insert the 
footer at the end of the plain text message and doesn't have to muck 
with MIME formats and multi-part messages.

Please keep the discussion on the list by using reply-to-all, if you 
hit reply it only goes back to the sender (a philosophical point I 
despise but won't try to argue. Thankfully, I can configure my lists 
the way I prefer to post back to the list).



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[Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...

[Sean Butler]

I've searched around and the following thread is the closest to what  
I need, but I am having trouble getting it to work:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-November/023712.html


I need to setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], both of which  
are running as virtual domains...  I'm running debian and postfix.

In /var/lib/mailman/data directory, I end up with two files:

aliases
virtual-mailman


In the aliases file, the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this:

# STANZA START: board
# CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
board: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post board"
board-admin:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin board"
board-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces board"
...

And the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this:

# STANZA START: hrca_board
# CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
hrca_board: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hrca_board"
hrca_board-admin:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin  
hrca_board"
hrca_board-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces  
hrca_board"
...


In the virtual mailman file, the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks likes this:

# STANZA START: board
# CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   board
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   board-admin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   board-bounces
...

# STANZA START: hrca_board
# CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   hrca_board
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   hrca_board-admin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   hrca_board-bounces
...

 From the instructions in the thread I found, I thought I should just  
modify the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the virtual  
mailman file (and all the other ones like -admin, etc.), but that  
doesn't seem to do it...

Also, if I run genaliases, then everything changes back to the  
original state anyway.

Am I missing something???


As additional info, I have postfix set up with:

virtual_maps =  hash:/etc/postfix/db/virtual,
 hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,
  hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


Thanks for any info or ideas anyone can provide.

/Sean



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Re: [Mailman-Users] bots subscribing to lists via web forms to avoidmember-only restrictions

[LuKreme]

On 6-Jan-2008, at 14:02, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Are there plans to enhance the web subscription form with a type of
>> captcha, or other technique to discourage bots?
>
> There is no current plan.


There really should be.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bots subscribing to lists via web forms to avoidmember-only restrictions

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--On January 16, 2008 11:21:41 AM -0700 LuKreme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There really should be.

To which I reply:

It's open source.  Start coding and submit a patch.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Edit monthly reminder?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mikael Hansen wrote:
> On Jan 15, 2008, at 10:43, Brad Knowles wrote:
> 
>> It's a template stored in /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/, which  
>> you can copy to /usr/local/mailman/lists//en/, and then  
>> edit it locally in that directory.
> 
> Done, including sudo bin/mailmanctl restart, but unfortunately my  
> list-specific cronpass.txt does not override the standard :-(


Did you put it in the existing 'lists/listname/en' directory of your
Mailman installation which may not be
/usr/local/mailman/lists//en?

Is this an English language list?

Did you refer to the FAQ for other locations you might want to put the
edited template to make it domain or site wide?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...

[Mark Sapiro]

Sean Butler wrote:
> 
> I need to setup [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED], both of which  
> are running as virtual domains...  I'm running debian and postfix.
> 
> In /var/lib/mailman/data directory, I end up with two files:
> 
> aliases
> virtual-mailman
> 
> 
> In the aliases file, the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this:
> 
> # STANZA START: board
> # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
> board: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post board"
> board-admin:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin board"
> board-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces board"
> ...
> 
> And the new [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks like this:
> 
> # STANZA START: hrca_board
> # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
> hrca_board: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post hrca_board"
> hrca_board-admin:   "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin  
> hrca_board"
> hrca_board-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces  
> hrca_board"
> ...
> 
> 
> In the virtual mailman file, the original [EMAIL PROTECTED] looks likes this:
> 
> # STANZA START: board
> # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] board
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] board-admin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] board-bounces
> ...
> 
> # STANZA START: hrca_board
> # CREATED: Wed Jan 16 13:30:03 2008
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board-admin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] hrca_board-bounces
> ...


The above aliases and virtual-mailman entries look like what you need to
have two lists named respectively 'board' and 'hrca_board' as far as
Mailman is concerned internally and to access these lists via emails as
[EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. and [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. respectively.

Did you run postalias and postmap to update the .db files after making
the above entries.


>  From the instructions in the thread I found, I thought I should just  
> modify the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the virtual  
> mailman file (and all the other ones like -admin, etc.), but that  
> doesn't seem to do it...


It should as long as you run postmap after making the mods.

You will also want to set [EMAIL PROTECTED] in acceptable_aliases for the
hrca_board list, and possibly other changes?

In what respect does it not do it? What happens when you mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


> Also, if I run genaliases, then everything changes back to the  
> original state anyway.


Right. This will be a problem, but once you get it set up, you shouldn't
need to run genaliases, as list creation and deletion should keep things
in sync.

> Am I missing something???


It looks OK to me as long as you are running postmap after manually
updating virtual-mailman.


> As additional info, I have postfix set up with:
> 
> virtual_maps =  hash:/etc/postfix/db/virtual,
>  hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman
> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases,
>   hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases


Looks good.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail

[Chris Penn]

I have setup a qmailtoaster that is very similar to this setup
http://wiki.qmailtoaster.com/index.p...oaster_Install

I have compiled and installed Mailman on the machine into
/home/mailman/mydomain/

Does anyone know howto setup Qmail and Mailman to work together. The
mailman site has not been very helpful. I am attempting to do this on
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Same list name, different domains...

[Sean Butler]

On Jan 16, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

>>  From the instructions in the thread I found, I thought I should just
>> modify the [EMAIL PROTECTED] to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the virtual
>> mailman file (and all the other ones like -admin, etc.), but that
>> doesn't seem to do it...
>
>
> It should as long as you run postmap after making the mods.
>
> You will also want to set [EMAIL PROTECTED] in acceptable_aliases for the
> hrca_board list, and possibly other changes?
>
> In what respect does it not do it? What happens when you mail
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Ok, I did all this, and it works...

My question now is, that when I run genaliases, it changes the  
virtual mailman file back to hrca_board@ instead of just board@, so  
does that mean every time I need to run genaliases, I'm going to have  
to manually make this change?

Thanks,
Sean
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bots subscribing to lists via web forms to avoidmember-only restrictions

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

LuKreme writes:
 > On 6-Jan-2008, at 14:02, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 > >> Are there plans to enhance the web subscription form with a type of
 > >> captcha, or other technique to discourage bots?
 > >
 > > There is no current plan.
 > 
 > 
 > There really should be.

Why?  It's user-unfriendly and botnet-friendly technology (ie, we know
that if you throw cycles at the problem you can solve it).  You get
the worst of both worlds.

We need to get out of the arms race with spammers.  We aren't
President Reagan, we can't spend them into submission.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] bots subscribing to lists via web forms to avoidmember-only restrictions

[Brad Knowles]

On 1/16/08, LuKreme wrote:

>>>  Are there plans to enhance the web subscription form with a type of
>>>  captcha, or other technique to discourage bots?
>>
>>  There is no current plan.
>
>  There really should be.

CAPTCHAs don't work.  The best mechanism I've found so far that does 
work is to moderate (or discard or reject) postings from 
non-subscribers, and to moderate new subscribers by default.  Once 
they prove they are human beings and capable posting reasonably 
on-topic messages to the list, you can clear their moderation bit.

Nothing else I've seen actually works.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail

[Brad Knowles]

On 1/16/08, Chris Penn wrote:

>  Does anyone know howto setup Qmail and Mailman to work together. The
>  mailman site has not been very helpful. I am attempting to do this on
>  Centos 5 using Mailman 2.1.9.

Unfortunately, qmail hasn't really been updated in about a decade, 
and doesn't play particularly well with non-djb code.  What we've 
been able to figure out for integration with qmail is found in the 
Mailman documentation, although you may find some more tidbits in the 
archives.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman and Qmail

[Jaco Kroon]

Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 1/16/08, Chris Penn wrote:
> 
>>  Does anyone know howto setup Qmail and Mailman to work together. The
>>  mailman site has not been very helpful. I am attempting to do this on
>>  Centos 5 using Mailman 2.1.9.
> 
> Unfortunately, qmail hasn't really been updated in about a decade, 
> and doesn't play particularly well with non-djb code.  What we've 
> been able to figure out for integration with qmail is found in the 
> Mailman documentation, although you may find some more tidbits in the 
> archives.
> 

Try this:  http://www.kroon.co.za/howto.php?howto=qmail_mailman

It's how I got it working a while back.  Should still all be in order.
If there is something that doesn't work, please let me know so I can
update it.

Jaco
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