Re: [Mailman-Users] Enabling SSL

[Charles Marcus]

On 12/11/2008, Rich Winkel (r...@math.missouri.edu) wrote:
> Does anyone have a recipe for redirecting http: connections to
> https?

Apache?

Was that a trick question?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required

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On 10/15/2008 11:23 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:



>>def rejection_notice(self, mlist):
>>kb = self.__limit
>>return _('''Your message was too big; please trim it to less than
>> %(limit)d KB in size.''')

> I din't know why you changed the above line, but the problem is where
> you have
> 
> %(limit)d KB in size.''')
> 
> it needs to be
> 
> %(kb)d KB in size.''')
> 
> as it was in the original.

!? Not sure how that happened (fat fingers I guess), but as usual, Mark,
you were spot on...

Everything's working fine now, successfully unshunted the 35 messages
stuck in the shunt directory...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required

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On 10/14/2008, Charles Marcus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'm only on 2.5.2, but I think I did update fairly recently...

Umm... sorry, I had started to reply to the message about an issue with
python 2.6 because I thought it might be related (but then decided to
start a new thread), and forgot to clean this up...

I'm on python ver 2.5.2, and mailman 2.1.11...

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[Mailman-Users] Uncaught runner exception: int argument required

[Charles Marcus]

Greetings,

Ok, I just discovered that I'm not getting notifications when someone
sends a message that is too big... usually I get a notification, and can
click the link and 'Tend to pending moderator requests', and discard &
forward a copy to the list owner.

I don't get too many of these, so didn't notice right away that this
stopped working sometime recently...

I'm only on 2.5.2, but I think I did update fairly recently...

I'm *almost* certain (but wouldn't bet my life on it) that it was
working since the current modified date (8/21), which was after updating
to 2.1.11 I believe...

Anyway, thanks for any pointers/suggestions, and here's the error from
the errors log:

Oct 14 16:48:38 2008 (10988) Uncaught runner exception: int argument
required
Oct 14 16:48:38 2008 (10988) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py",
line 120, in _oneloop
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py",
line 191, in _onefile
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py",
line 130, in _dispose
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py",
line 153, in _dopipeline
  File "/usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 188, in process
MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size))
  File "/usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 225, in
hold_for_approval
msgdata['rejection_notice'] = Utils.wrap(exc.rejection_notice(mlist))
  File "/usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py", line 109, in
rejection_notice
%(limit)d KB in size.''')
  File
"/var/tmp/portage/net-mail/mailman-2.1.11/image//usr/lib64/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py",
line 90, in _
TypeError: int argument required

Oct 14 16:48:38 2008 (10988) SHUNTING:
1224017316.8633909+cae6eec431b82efafdf75d6a598d1f65f2370453

And here's the customized block in Hold.py:

(Hmmm... did something weird happen when I copy/pasted after the last
update? Are there supposed to be dbl underscores (__) there?)

Beginning at line 93:
class MessageTooBig(Errors.HoldMessage):
def __init__(self, msgsize, limit):
self.__msgsize = msgsize
self.__limit = limit

def reason_notice(self):
size = self.__msgsize
limit = self.__limit
return _('''Your message (or the attachment) is too big.

This list has a size limit of %(limit)d KB. Messages larger than this will
require moderator intervention before it will be forwarded to our Sales
Staff.''')

def rejection_notice(self, mlist):
kb = self.__limit
return _('''Your message was too big; please trim it to less than
%(limit)d KB in size.''')

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Create List Aliases

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On 10/7/2008 9:51 PM, Darragh Gammell wrote:
> # STANZA END: darragh
> 
> After the upgrade its adding entries like:
> 
> # STANZA START: darraghwwqq
>
> Can someone please indicate where I've gone wrong

wag of the day...

I have seen many mysterious problems caused by using vi when editing
config files. These 'wwqq' characters (wq = write-quit in vi) are
suspicious - is this change intentional?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Muti-Mailman install

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On 6/20/2008 3:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I just wanted to say I did not mean to start a header war here.


And I apologize for for letting my type A personality rear its ugly head.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Muti-Mailman install

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On 6/20/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

It wasn't a threat.  It was a statement of fact -- continued arguing
with us on a subject considered long since dead is likely to have
results that you're probably not going to like.


I was talking about your cute little remark about giving someone a 
FIREARM so that they could 'come demonstrate to me the danger their 
deear departed one faced'.


If thats not a threat of VIOLENCE then I don't know what is.

That chip on your shoulder is getting pretty heavy, isn't it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Muti-Mailman install

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On 6/20/2008 1:27 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:

Charles Marcus wrote:


You replied on list, so I will too...



Not really a very wise idea.


Really. Well, I had started to reply point by point until it became 
obvious that you are confused about something...


Read the following carefully...



I am *not* arguing for changing the default - whatever gave you that 
idea?




In fact, I was pointing out to the person that *was* arguing for 
changing it that, since the devs had graciously provided the ability to 
*change* this setting, that the default *did not really matter*.



When I use my @python.org e-mail address (which I very rarely do), I
speak from a position of a certain amount of authority on the
subject.


Are you seriously suggesting that the mere fact that you posted from an 
@python.org address is supposed to mean something to the average list 
participant here? I rarely even look at the original posters address, 
and even if I had noticed it, it wouldn't have meant anything to me 
other than you have an email address @python.org.


That said, if this really was a subtle way for you to intend to be 
speaking from a position of authority, then maybe you should read things 
a little more carefully before you threaten someone on a public list 
from such a position.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Muti-Mailman install

[Charles Marcus]

You replied on list, so I will too... but I will not respond to further 
arguments about it, since neither of us are likely to change our mind.


On 6/19/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

Whats the big deal anyway? If you want lists configured to reply to
the list, just set it that way. What difference does it make what the

>> default is?


The point is that there are lots of MUAs out there that are broken,


I didn't intend to open up this debate, because I *have* read - and 
*understand* the arguments on both sides. *Ideally*, I agree with you 
and the Mailman devs... *realistically*, though, most discussion lists - 
for most people, using the most popular mail clients - operate much more 
smoothly when Reply-to munging is implemented.


*My* point was simply pointing out that there *is a preference setting* 
in the Mailman GUI for changing this, so if someone *wants* to change 
it, they obviously *can* - so what difference does the *default* make?


> and if you screw with the Reply-To: header, they are completely and
> totally unable to change who the reply is sent to.

Sorry, but this isn't true for any mail client I've ever used... ever 
heard of copy/cut/paste? Yeah, it requires some manual labor, rather 
than clicking a button, but it can still be done.


In fact, I must do this a little of this when participating *on this 
list*. First, I have to hit 'Reply All' to get the list address in the 
CC field, then I change the 'CC' to 'To', then *delete* the *posters* 
email address so that they don't get a duplicate - which, by the way, I 
notice you don't have the courtesy to do.


I wouldn't have to do any of that, if the Reply-to was set to the list.

But without being specific - like, what specific MUA's have this problem 
- its kind of hard to argue.



This is how private information gets exposed on public lists, with
consequences ranging from just being personally embarassing, to
getting you fired,


If someone is dumb enough to send information of such a nature without 
actually *looking* at where it is going, then yeah, they might actually 
be required to pay the consequences...



to actually being life-threatening in some cases.

Do you really want to be responsible for something that could get

> someone killed?

Lol! Thanks, I needed that...


Until the vast majority of the most popular mail clients have a

>> proper 'Reply-To-List' function (TBird doesn't, although it has an
>> extension that tries to do it, it isn't very good at it) discussion
>> lists should definitely (imnsho) be configured to reply to list, and
>> I always change the ones I manage to do so.


Then you must not have read the FAQ I referenced.


I did... I just believe that it is *ideally* correct, but 
*realistically* incorrect, due to the reality of limitations in both the 
most popular mail clients *and* the *behavior* of most people on 
discussion lists (they don't know the difference, and more importantly 
*don't care*).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Muti-Mailman install

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On 6/19/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

Correct.  The Mailman developers feel that forcing all replies to go
back to the list causes much more harm than good, see FAQ 3.48 at
.


Whats the big deal anyway? If you want lists configured to reply to the 
list, just set it that way. What difference does it make what the 
default is?


Until the vast majority of the most popular mail clients have a proper 
'Reply-To-List' function (TBird doesn't, although it has an extension 
that tries to do it, it isn't very good at it) discussion lists should 
definitely (imnsho) be configured to reply to list, and I always change 
the ones I manage to do so.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?

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On 5/30/2008 8:04 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:

Never mind, I found it.
Please forgive the faux pas.


No worries... hope you get it sorted...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] re-install postfix?

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On 5/30/2008 7:32 AM, Dov Oxenberg wrote:

Good morning,
Until Wednesday night my Server was running like a champ then
suddenly, mysteriously, Postfix broke for no apparent reason. It is
failing to start reporting "no local interface found for..."


Sounds like you have a problem with your NIC...


citing some IP address which is invalid for my system.  I have not
been able to get anywhere since Wednesday night and am now
considering uninstalling Postfix and then reinstalling.


What have you done to try to remedy the situation? I am on the postfix 
list, and have not seen a single message from you about the problem. 
They are very knowledgeable people there - but you will need to be very 
specific with your problem description, and provide postconf -n output 
and logs of the errors...



I realize this is a Postfix issue, but I wanted to ask what are the
consequences of uninstalling Postfix, then reinstalling as it relates
to Mailman - do I need to do anything with my existing Mailman
installation, will I need to reinstall, etc.


Reinstalling would be silly at this point. Fix the problem. From your 
vague description, it sounds like a hardware problem.


Things never break 'for no reason'...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] sharing administrator passwords

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On 5/28/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

From /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py:

# Normally when a site administrator authenticates to a web page with the site
# password, they get a cookie which authorizes them as the list admin.  It
# makes me nervous to hand out site auth cookies because if this cookie is
# cracked or intercepted, the intruder will have access to every list on the
# site.  OTOH, it's dang handy to not have to re-authenticate to every list on
# the site.  Set this value to Yes to allow site admin cookies.
ALLOW_SITE_ADMIN_COOKIES = No 


Sorry, guess I should have looked a little closer... but thanks...

I made the change and restarted mailman, and still have to log into each 
list, so I'm guessing this only applies to new lists? I'll have to run a 
command to make it apply to existing lists?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] sharing administrator passwords

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On 5/27/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

The site admin password can be used to administer any list on the
system.  If you turn on the appropriate option in the mm_cfg.py file,
you can even set it up so that you log into one list with the site
admin password and you don't even have to provide a password to log
into any of the other lists -- the cookie set by the first password
login will be recognized by all the other lists.


Wow, that would come in useful for me... what option is that?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

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On 4/18/2008, Darren G Pifer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> There is a router between the 2 mail servers as they are on separate
> networks but I believe the issue is with my sendmail configuration.  I
> have implemented the rate control feature of sendmail and I started to
> see messages like:

Ok, but fyi the reason I asked specifically about a CISCO Pix router is 
they are known to cause lots of problems with smtp services if the smtp 
fixup protocol is enabled...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

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On 4/18/2008, Jonathan Dill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> If you are using a separate e-mail relay, could also be firewall  
> issue,

Is there by any chance a CISCO router in the mix anywhere?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dump subscriber list from Web interface?

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On 4/14/2008, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> I checked the release notes for the 2.1.10 betas and didn't find 
>> anything about this, but thought I'd ask anyway...
>> 
>> Any chance 2.1.10 will allow the admin to dump the list of 
>> subscribers from the web interface?

> See
> .
> 
> Changes in 2.1.10 include showing 'hidden' members in both the web
> roster and the email 'who' results if the requester authenticates with
> the list admin/moderator password.

Cool, thanks... one of these will work for my purposes...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Dump subscriber list from Web interface?

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On 4/14/2008, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> But there is no 'dump the membership list to a file' button.

The reason I ask is, on a hosted service, you don't always have access 
the the cli - so a button in the web GUI would be nice...

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[Mailman-Users] Dump subscriber list from Web interface?

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Hi,

I checked the release notes for the 2.1.10 betas and didn't find 
anything about this, but thought I'd ask anyway...

Any chance 2.1.10 will allow the admin to dump the list of subscribers 
from the web interface?

Thanks, mailman rocks! Look forward to the release of 2.1.10...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Some detail questions about migrating lists

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On 3/17/2008, Frank Griffin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> They don't seem to want the risk of basic SMTP auth being cracked or
> sniffed, so they just refuse to relay for anything outside their IP
> block, period, no matter what.



> Since I don't want to have to reconfigure may laptop every time I leave
> home, I need the relay service.

I'm confused... above you say that they don't allow relaying from 
outside their network 'no matter what'... then you say you need their 
relay service while outside their IP block...

You appear to be saying that it is when sending from outside their IP 
block that they do this relay filtering based on an easily forged 'From: 
header.

What I'm saying is that it is *much* easier to spook a 'From:' header 
that to sniff/crack an unsecured smtp_auth session. Not that its *hard* 
to sniff a plain text smtp_auth session - just that its harder than 
spoofing a 'From:' header.

Any ISP that doesn't allow the use of TLS for sending while outside 
their networks is not to be trusted, so my original comment stands - I'd 
get another ISP if possible.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Some detail questions about migrating lists

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On 3/17/2008, Frank Griffin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> It's their billing model.  Most ISPs refuse to support secure SMTP
> because of the perceived cost of encryption.  The relayer does, but
> charges you twice as much for using TLS (actually, mails/bytes are
> billed against your account limit at 2x their value).  But that's
> unrelated to...

Most ISPs in the US simply allow relaying on their IP blocks...

But, they don't absolutely need to support *secure* smtp auth - basic 
smtp auth would be much better than using and easily forged 'From:' 
header...

I'd find another ISP/3rd party relay service...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Some detail questions about migrating lists

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On 3/17/2008, Frank Griffin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> My test machines all use a third-party relay server which requires 
> "From:" to be one of a fixed set of pre-registered values. I handle 
> this by using Postfix's "generic" file to rewrite the sender on 
> outbound messages to the 'frank.griffin' address above. Apparently,
> it also rewrites the "Reply-To:" address.

Yuck... why? Worst case is they should require secure smtp auth (with 
TLS), which does NOT require rewriting the headers.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] minimizing spam addresses on web site

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On 3/10/2008, Chuck Peters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> A couple days ago I saw a post on the dev list about backscatter spam
> and also found a thread about someone's attempt at changing the
> -owner address, that didn't appear to be successful. That and the
> further problem newly created address for the mailman-owner getting
> 200 spam a day tells me I need to do something about this mess.

Use some kind of anti-spam on your MTA to deal with this problem... it 
is very sub-optimal to try to deal with it at the mailman level.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2008 Pizzigati Prize

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On 3/6/2008, Eric Gearhart ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I'd just like to drop a note to thank you for Mailman. The project has
> helped me immensely in many ways, the biggest being simplifying log
> files and who gets notified when something goes down (do you can about
> knowing if SMTP is down? Don't add your email address to the config
> file, subscribe to the "logs" mailing list!)

Interesting... what is this 'logs' list? Is it some kind of internal 
mailman list? I don't see it in my 'lists' data directory...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo

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Stephen J. Turnbull, on 2/20/2008 7:32 PM, said the following:
> But the problem is that *Brian* (as an example) is an ISP whose
> reliability comes into question not because *his* customers use Yahoo,
> but because *his customers'* customers (subscribers, whatever) use
> Yahoo.  His customers are paying him money so that he takes care of
> the mail; they do not want to tell their customers to change their
> mail services.

I undertans, and believe me, I'm totally sympathetic... but I'm also
realistic.

There is nothing you can do to change Yahoos behavior, so my philosophy
is, just make my/your customers/clients aware of the problems when using
certain services/providers.

> Yahoo's customers are going to be disposed to believe that the
> problem is indeed elsewhere (the alternative is accepting their own
> responsibility for choosing a broken service, you see).

I do - but where I apparently differ with you is, I don't try to
encourage their illusions - in fact, I will do everything I can to
disabuse them of their illusions.

> So Brian (and other ISPs/hosting services like his) is caught in the
> middle.  He can't guarantee reliability because that depends on the
> customers' customer base, but reliability is what he takes pride in.

Again, I do understand the dilemma, I just choose not to make someone
else's problem my own.

Here is a canned email I send to our users once every few months:

Subject: Fyi: EMail is not always 100% reliable...

Hello,

Hopefully you already know this, but in case you didn't:

Hopefully you already know this, but in case you didn't:

There are any number of reasons that email can be delayed in transit. It
is even possible that a message will never arrive at its final
destination, and although under most circumstances you will get a bounce
notifying you of the problem, sometimes you will not. For this reason,
if you have some time-sensitive material or information that you are
sending to a client or vendor, send it to them, but FOLLOW-UP with a
phone call or something to make sure they got it.

In general, yes, if you send an email to someone, they will get it - but
it could be delayed in transit, it could get stopped by someone's
anti-spam or anti-virusm s/w (either running on their mail system's
server, or on their local machine), someone might accidentally delete
it without realizing it (it happens) - and it is even possible that a
mis-configured or otherwise malfunctioning server could lose your
message without generating a bounce.

So, if you are sending someone something that is time-sensitive and
money depends on it getting to its destination - FOLLOW-UP and make sure
it got there.

This is just common sense to me, but maybe you weren't aware that email
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo

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On 2/20/2008, Dennis Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> postfix/main.cf
> yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5  # matches Yahoo's limit
> yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2

I may be wrong, but I don't think you can add comments like that, only 
on lines that START with a '#'... so it should be:

# matches Yahoo's limit
yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5

yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo

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On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>> I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
>>> e-mail communications

>> Sorry, I just don't see this... they are providing a FREE service.
>> 
>> If you aren't happy with it, go somewhere else.
>> 
>> What I would do if I were you is simply warn people about 
>> problematic email services, and let them know that their messages
>> may be delayed, or even disappeared.

> Since I am the ISP whose communications are being interfered with by 
> yahoo, I am not sure where I could go. I am not sure where you got
> the idea I was using yahoo's services.

Right... badly worded, but my last paragraph is still the meaning I 
intended to convey...

Maybe better:

No one has a 'Right' to talk to anyone else's mail server.

If they aren't playing well, document it: let anyone who uses your 
services know that if THEY choose to use a problematic service, that is 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo

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On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
> e-mail communications

Sorry, I just don;'t see this... they are providing a FREE service.

If you aren;t happy with it, go somewhere else.

What I would do if I were you is simply warn people about problematic 
email services, and let them know that their messages may be delayed, or 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Configure mailman for hosted e-mail...

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On 2/13/2008, Dov Oxenberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> In other words, this Debian box is running in our office with a DSL 
> connection to the Internet.  Our mail is being hosted by Network 
> Solutions. How can I make the Network Solutions mail Serve "aware" of 
> my list Server?

Set the hostname for the listserver in mm_cfg.py to something like 
'lists.example.com', and add an A record in your DNS to point this 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lost messages? Changing subject...

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On 2/4/2008, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Assuming standard archiving settings,

You know the old saying...

Because of the nature of these lists, archiving has always been disabled.

So, I gather from what you said, the messages are gone. Thankfully this 
isn't a big problem, even if it goes for a day or two - though it is 
inconvenient.

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[Mailman-Users] Lost messages? Changing subject...

[Charles Marcus]

I'm re-sending this because the subject was too close to the other one,
but its a different problem...

Charles Marcus, on 2/4/2008 1:07 PM, said the following:
> This morning, I discovered that messages to our lists weren't being 
> delivered, and found the following errors in the smtp-failure log:
> 
> Feb 04 08:00:05 2008 (7453) SMTP session failure: 530, 5.7.0 Must issue 
> a STARTTLS command first, msgid: 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Are these messages gone? Or is there a way to get mailman to reinject 
> them? It wouldn't be the end of the world, as there were only a few, but 
> there are two I'd like to recover if possible.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman + STARTTLS

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Ralf Hildebrandt, on 2/4/2008 1:18 PM, said the following:
>> How do I tell mailman to use TLS?

> I let mailman talk to localhost, and postfix on localhost does all the
> TLS stuff

Thanks Ralf,

Hmmm... ok, the default is supposed to be localhost... I'm not 
over-riding SMTPHOST in mm_cfg_py... and I confirmed that it is still 
set to localhost in Defaults.py (yes, I know not to change these, I just 
wanted to make sure it was set correctly there).

So, the question is, why do I get these errors when I enforce TLS on 
port 25?

I'm guessing this is a postfix issue then?

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman + STARTTLS

[Charles Marcus]

Hello,

Ok, I googled and FAQ'd but didn't find the answer - if I missed it, a
rtfa reference will be appreciate...

We outsource our anti-spam service, and I'd to lock down my postfix 
server by requiring TLS encrypted sessions.

I discovered that mailman doesn't like this...

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman + STARTTLS = lost messages?

[Charles Marcus]

Hello,

Ok, I googled and FAQ'd but didn't find the answer - if I missed it, a 
rtfa reference will be appreciate...

We outsource our anti-spam service, and I decided to lock it down by 
requiring TLS encrypted sessions to my postfix server. I did this on 
Saturday.

This morning, I discovered that messages to our lists weren't being 
delivered, and found the following errors in the smtp-failyre log:

Feb 04 08:00:05 2008 (7453) SMTP session failure: 530, 5.7.0 Must issue 
a STARTTLS command first, msgid: 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Are these messages gone? Or is there a way to get mailman to reinject 
them? It wouldn't be the end of the world, as there were only a few, but 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digests for bounces and mail list stats?

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On 2/2/2008, Stephen J. Turnbull ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Sure, but does anybody just sit on the edge of their chair waiting to
> be biffed that a bounce message is waiting for them?

Actually, I have a few lists that, yes, I must deal with bounces 
immediately (or asap) - it is how the nature of these lists.

But the others are not time-sensitive, and having their bounces 
digestified would be fine.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] really dumb question on getting started; extracting archive

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Holmes, Deb, on 1/29/2008 5:51 AM, said the following:
> How do you unzip the .tar and .gz files prior to install?   For most

www.7zip.org

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Edit monthly reminder?

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On 1/15/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> I take it thats the way you should do it for any of them?
>> 
>> I edited the 'postheld.txt' template in the templates/en directory,
>> instead of copying it to the list subdir.

> If you edited the file in-place, then when you do your next upgrade, 
> that template will get replaced.
> 
> If you copy it to a list-specific subdirectory (as I suggested), then 
> it won't get replaced as part of the next upgrade.

>> It works, and I did want the change for all lists - but it is good
>> to know how to do a custom one for an individual list if I need 
>> to...

> FAQ 4.48 at 
>  
> 
> has more information about editing the templates and what you need to 
> do in order to get them to be picked up.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Edit monthly reminder?

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On 1/15/2008, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> I searched the archive, but could find no answer to my question. Is
>> it possible to edit/modify the contents of the membership reminder
>> that is sent out monthly by email?

> It's a template stored in /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/, which you 
> can copy to /usr/local/mailman/lists//en/, and then edit it 
> locally in that directory.

Oops...

I take it thats the way you should do it for any of them?

I edited the 'postheld.txt' template in the templates/en directory, 
instead of copying it to the list subdir.

It works, and I did want the change for all lists - but it is good to 
know how to do a custom one for an individual list if I need to...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] approved senders

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Mark Sapiro, on 1/8/2008 1:18 PM, said the following:
> Troy Knabe wrote:
> 
>> For accept_these_nonmembers I would like to add my entire domain.  So  
>> I added "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" w/out the quotes, but that doesn't seem to  
>> be working.  Any suggestions for my wrong syntax?
> 
> 
> Try  [EMAIL PROTECTED]@my.domain.com$

But doing this you lose the benefit of recipient validation - meaning, 
spam sent 'Fm:' an invalid address in your domain will be allowed 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't 'start' - but is working?

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I'm trying to be patient, but NO ONE has a clue or idea where I might 
look to solve this?

I've asked here because I'm getting deafening silence on the Gentoo 
forums too...

:(

Charles Marcus, on 1/6/2008 1:15 PM, said the following:
> Anyone? This is actually now a little worse - I updated the kernel (from 
> 2.6.17 to 2.6.23), and mailman still won't start (gives me the [ !! ] 
> error when I issue the /etc/init.d/mailman start command anad at boot 
> time) - but now, the qrunner obviously isn't starting either, because 
> the lists weren't responding until I issued a manual (as root) 
> "/usr/lib64/mailmanctl -s start", after which all pending messages are 
> delivered.
> 
> I really need a little help here... could this be some kind of 
> permissions or path problem? The location of the /bin dorectory was 
> changed in this package update... where would I check the path of the 
> 'bin' directory? Although, I did try to change the init script path to 
> the full /usr/lib64/mailman/bin/mailmanctl path...
> 
> check_perms shows no problems...
> 
> Init script is shown below... this is on a Gentoo box, and I've asked on 
> their forums, but thought I'd ask here too...
> 
> Charles Marcus, on 12/29/2007 12:16 PM, said the following:
>> Charles Marcus, on 12/29/2007 11:34 AM, said the following:
>>> If I try to 'start' mailman, it won't start - I get the (!!) error. If I 
>>> try to stop it, it says it isn't started.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
> 
>> Hmmm... apparently the qrunner is running - if I manually issue the 
>> mailmanct stop or -s start commands, it appears to work...
>>
>> I did verify these are correct in the startup script (see below) - but I 
>> also notice two things: it is dated from 2004, and it is issuing the 
>> command as 'su - mailman', but I am issuing the commands directly as 
>> root - so maybe this script didn't get updated properly?
>>
>> #!/sbin/runscript
>> # Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Foundation
>> # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
>> # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/mailman/files/mailman.rc,v 
>> 1.5 2004/07/14 23:50:52 agriffis Exp $
>>
>> depend() {
>>  need net
>>  use logger
>> }
>>
>> start() {
>>  ebegin "Starting mailman"
>>  su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl -s start' >/dev/null 2>&1
>>  eend $?
>> }
>>
>> stop() {
>>  ebegin "Stopping mailman"
>>  su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl stop' >/dev/null 2>&1
>>  eend $?
>> }
>>
>> svc_restart() {
>>  ebegin "Restarting mailman"
>>  su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl restart' >/dev/null 2>&1
>>  eend $?
>> }
>>
>> Tia for any pointers and/or whacks with a clue-stick...
> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't 'start' - but is working?

[Charles Marcus]

Anyone? This is actually now a little worse - I updated the kernel (from 
2.6.17 to 2.6.23), and mailman still won't start (gives me the [ !! ] 
error when I issue the /etc/init.d/mailman start command anad at boot 
time) - but now, the qrunner obviously isn't starting either, because 
the lists weren't responding until I issued a manual (as root) 
"/usr/lib64/mailmanctl -s start", after which all pending messages are 
delivered.

I really need a little help here... could this be some kind of 
permissions or path problem? The location of the /bin dorectory was 
changed in this package update... where would I check the path of the 
'bin' directory? Although, I did try to change the init script path to 
the full /usr/lib64/mailman/bin/mailmanctl path...

check_perms shows no problems...

Init script is shown below... this is on a Gentoo box, and I've asked on 
their forums, but thought I'd ask here too...

Charles Marcus, on 12/29/2007 12:16 PM, said the following:
> Charles Marcus, on 12/29/2007 11:34 AM, said the following:
>> If I try to 'start' mailman, it won't start - I get the (!!) error. If I 
>> try to stop it, it says it isn't started.
>>
>> What am I missing?

> Hmmm... apparently the qrunner is running - if I manually issue the 
> mailmanct stop or -s start commands, it appears to work...
> 
> I did verify these are correct in the startup script (see below) - but I 
> also notice two things: it is dated from 2004, and it is issuing the 
> command as 'su - mailman', but I am issuing the commands directly as 
> root - so maybe this script didn't get updated properly?
> 
> #!/sbin/runscript
> # Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Foundation
> # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
> # $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/mailman/files/mailman.rc,v 
> 1.5 2004/07/14 23:50:52 agriffis Exp $
> 
> depend() {
>  need net
>  use logger
> }
> 
> start() {
>  ebegin "Starting mailman"
>  su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl -s start' >/dev/null 2>&1
>  eend $?
> }
> 
> stop() {
>  ebegin "Stopping mailman"
>  su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl stop' >/dev/null 2>&1
>  eend $?
> }
> 
> svc_restart() {
>  ebegin "Restarting mailman"
>  su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl restart' >/dev/null 2>&1
>  eend $?
> }
> 
> Tia for any pointers and/or whacks with a clue-stick...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Can't send email to non-local recipients

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On 12/30/2007, Larry Zins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Dec 29 21:43:10 sonic postfix/trivial-rewrite[21282]: fatal: open 
> database
> /etc/postfix/virtual.db: No such file or directory

did you execute 'postalias virtual' after creating the virtual file? 
This is how the .db file gets created.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface not responding after upgrade...

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Charles Marcus, on 12/29/2007 11:44 AM, said the following:
> Ok, this is the only other thing not working after my upgrade...
> 
> I am getting the following error when going to one of the admin pages:
> 
> *
> 
> Forbidden
> 
> You don't have permission to access /mailman/admin/listname/ on this server.
> Apache Server at myhost.mydomain.com Port 443

Weird... its working now... I did restart some things and did a 
revdep-rebuild (I'm on gentoo), so something fixed it...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman won't 'start' - but is working?

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Charles Marcus, on 12/29/2007 11:34 AM, said the following:
> If I try to 'start' mailman, it won't start - I get the (!!) error. If I 
> try to stop it, it says it isn't started.
> 
> What am I missing?

Hmmm... apparently the qrunner is running - if I manually issue the 
mailmanct stop or -s start commands, it appears to work...

I did verify these are correct in the startup script (see below) - but I 
also notice two things: it is dated from 2004, and it is issuing the 
command as 'su - mailman', but I am issuing the commands directly as 
root - so maybe this script didn't get updated properly?

#!/sbin/runscript
# Copyright 1999-2004 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/net-mail/mailman/files/mailman.rc,v 
1.5 2004/07/14 23:50:52 agriffis Exp $

depend() {
 need net
 use logger
}

start() {
 ebegin "Starting mailman"
 su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl -s start' >/dev/null 2>&1
 eend $?
}

stop() {
 ebegin "Stopping mailman"
 su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl stop' >/dev/null 2>&1
 eend $?
}

svc_restart() {
 ebegin "Restarting mailman"
 su - mailman -c 'bin/mailmanctl restart' >/dev/null 2>&1
 eend $?
}

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[Mailman-Users] Web interface not responding after upgrade...

[Charles Marcus]

Ok, this is the only other thing not working after my upgrade...

I am getting the following error when going to one of the admin pages:

*

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /mailman/admin/listname/ on this server.
Apache Server at myhost.mydomain.com Port 443

*

Obviously either a permissions issue or another path problem, but I'm 
not sure where to look...

I don't see an 'admin' directory anywhere, though - is this the problem?

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman won't 'start' - but is working?

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Ok, maybe this is an issue with my understanding, but...

I am on a gentoo system, trying to clean up some things (inherited) - 
duplicates, etc. I had an old version of Mailman (2.1.7) and 2.1.9 
installed.

I removed the 2.1.7 version with no apparent problems, but then updated 
2.1.9 to the latest rev - 2.1.9-r2 (this is in the testing/unstable repo 
on gentoo, so maybe this is a bug with this package)...

They aren't supposed to make major changes between minor rev bumps like 
this, but they did this time:

1. The install directory was changed from /usr/local/mailman to 
/usr/lib64/mailman.

2. They also split up some of the stuff... if I'm not mistaken, the 
following directories used to be in the main /usr/local/mailman:

archives
data
lists
locks
logs
qfiles
spam

but they all got moved to /var/lib/mailman...

I got all of this sorted (fixed the paths in the aliases files and in 
main.cf for postfix), and mailman seems to be working fine - I send a 
message to a list, I see it processed in the log, and the message is 
delivered to all list members... but...

If I try to 'start' mailman, it won't start - I get the (!!) error. If I 
try to stop it, it says it isn't started.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe button not working on

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On 12/20/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> The real issue is the  tag is easy to miss
> when editing the template because it actually is too early on the 
> page.

And so of course this is fixed for 2.1.10?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

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Mark Sapiro, on 12/19/2007 1:36 PM, said the following:
> Charles Marcus wrote:
>> Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py...
>>
>> DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just 
>> counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it...
>>
>> Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman...

> Unfortunately, that won't help your existing lists. That only sets the
> default for new lists. The setting for an existing list is the
> admin_member_chunksize list attribute. Beginning in Mailman 2.1.10,
> this setting is available on the list's General Options page. In older
> versions, you need to do something like
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> cd ~mailman
> f=mktemp
> echo admin_member_chunksize = 50 > $f
> bin/config_list -i $f list_name
> rm $f

Ok, thanks! Makes sense to add this option to the web GUI - sounds like 
lots of good tweaks coming...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

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Charles Marcus, on 12/19/2007 7:39 AM, said the following:
> On 12/18/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership 
>> Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a 
>> certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by 
>> the first letter of their e-mail address.

> Where is this default set? I had a list that mysteriously switched to 
> the view by letter mode, then a few days later, went back to listing 
> them all on a single page... from the above comment, I'm guessing that I 
> had added a member that put me over this limit, then removed one to put 
> me back under.
> 
> I'd like to bump it up a tad, so that doesn't happen again. Our lists 
> are fairly static, and will not be growing significantly in the future.

Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py...

DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just 
counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it...

Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

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On 12/18/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership 
> Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a 
> certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by 
> the first letter of their e-mail address.

Where is this default set? I had a list that mysteriously switched to 
the view by letter mode, then a few days later, went back to listing 
them all on a single page... from the above comment, I'm guessing that I 
had added a member that put me over this limit, then removed one to put 
me back under.

I'd like to bump it up a tad, so that doesn't happen again. Our lists 
are fairly static, and will not be growing significantly in the future.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Discard Sender Filter

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On 12/12/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> There is also an option in the admindb interface to add the sender of
> a held non-member post to one of the *_these_nonmembers filters when
> handling the post. This may explain how the addresses got in the
> OP's list without the admin's remembering putting them there.

Yeah, thats the one I was thinking of... but the funny thing is, I just 
tested this and I don't see that option when I go to deal with the 
post... is there a way to disable these so you don't see them at all?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Discard Sender Filter

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Mark Sapiro, on 12/12/2007 4:06 PM, said the following:
> Henry wrote:
>> My first inclination after looking through the online
>> documentation and from using Mailman for the last few years was that
>> someone simply added these e-mail addresses manually by mistake and
>> either forgot about it or just didn't care to admit to doing it.
>> Basically I just wanted to make sure there wasn't anything I've missed
>> and this was in fact just user error and some feature you can
>> enable/disable through the admin options.

> When a list is created, the *_these_nonmember fields are empty. There
> is no feature/option/configuration setting to make them otherwise by
> default.

Seems like I recall seeing an option to 'discard messages from this 
poster' when handling some administrative holds at some time, but I 
don't see it now...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails

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On 12/10/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> If you aren't getting the summary, either cron isn't running checkdbs
> or you are so diligent at dealing with held messages that there never
> are any outstanding when checkdbs runs.

Duh... ok, there is no daily cron job for it (I had someone help me get 
this server set up a long time ago before I was comfortable doing stuff 
like this myself, and guess he forgot to do this)...

Mailman is in the cron group, so according to the Gentoo docs (thats 
what I'm using), a simple:

cd /usr/local/mailman/cron && crontab -u mailman crontab.in

should do it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop spam emails

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On 12/10/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Mailman sends a summary every morning with the From: and Subject: of
> the held posts waiting moderator action.

Where is this option? I don't currently get these, but I'd like to...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing some list headers

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On 12/8/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> OTOH, if you don't care about the List-Post: and List-Archive: 
> headers, then just set General Options->include_rfc2369_headers to
> No.

Bingo... I actually saw that and wondered what it was... now I know... ;)

Thanks! Should be the last question for at least 3 or 4 minutes... :)

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[Mailman-Users] Removing some list headers

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Hello again - hopefully you won't get too tired of me before I'm done... :)

While reading on 'Umbrella lists', I ran across a tip to remove some of 
the headers:

**

"2. Edit CookHeaders.py with your favorite editor.

Somewhere around line 116 (in version 2.0 final, at least), you'll see 
where the headers are added.  Simply delete each line.  Be careful not 
to upset the formatting - the indentation is important.

You can safely remove:

  * List-Unsubscribe, List-Subscribe, List-Post, List-ID, List-Help"

**

All I'm really interested in removing is the Sub, Unsub and Help 
headers, but this refers to v. 2.0 final, and the headers in question 
(that I'm interested in) begin on line # 206 instead of 116, so before I 
do this, I thought I'd ask...

If I wanted to remove these headers do I just comment the following lines?

headers.update({
'List-Help'   : '' % requestaddr,
'List-Unsubscribe': subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, 'un'),
'List-Subscribe'  : subfieldfmt % (listinfo, requestaddr, ''),
})

Everyone subscribed to these lists are employees, and I do not want them 
to be able to sub/unsub or get help...

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[Mailman-Users] What if address in 'accept_these_nonmembers' is actually a member

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Would this cause a problem? I don't see why it would, and it hasn't 
seemed to, but I was just curious...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-member posters - receive copy of their email as confirmation?

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Mark Sapiro, on 12/7/2007 4:33 PM, said the following:
> Charles Marcus wrote:
>> We have two lists that we use that outside vendors post to (they are the 
>> 'non-member'), where the members are our Sales Reps. I'd like for the 
>> non-members to get a BCC (preferred, CC would be OK) of their message 
>> when they post.

> I assume that you don't want these people to be able to see other
> people's posts.
> 
> Here's what I would do.
> 
> Make them list members with delivery disabled, password reminders off
> and a random password.
> 
> Set them to receive acknowledgement of posts.
> 
> Then they won't receive any posts from the list, but they will be able
> to post and will receive acknowledgement from the list that their
> posts were accepted.

Hey! Hm, let me think about this... Yes, I think this will work! 
Oh... wait...

How would this work in conjunction with the new functionality provided 
by this patch:

 > I think you mean
 > http://tinyurl.com/3xxdhk
 > This patch allows specifying the name of a list (say list2) in list1's
 > accept_these_nonmembers so that members of list2 can post to list1
 > even if they aren't members of list1.

Would I be able to set up a 'vendors' list, that just acts as a 
container for all of the vendors, set each members options as you 
described above, then put this list name in the other lists 
'accept_these_nonmembers' field, and have it 'just work'?

Remember, the 'vendors' list will not be a functioning list - the 
members of that list will be posting to one of two other lists, each of 
which expands to about 4 lists total internally - my lists are nested, 
by the way - some contain only other lists as members, some contain a 
mix of lists and individual members.

Thanks for the suggestion! I hope it will work as you described...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Non-member posters - receive copy of their email as confirmation?

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On 12/7/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>> This question has to do with the
>> 
>> Privacy Options > Sender Filters > accept_these_non-members
>>
>> Is there a way to have Mailman send a copy (BCC would be preferred)
>> of there message back to them, for verification that their message 
>> was sent?

> If they were members, they'd see copies of their own posts by 
> default, unless they chose to select the option to avoid that. 

Yeah, but the problem is, I don't want them to be members...

Or, more precisely, I don't want them to get copies of ALL messages sent 
to the list, just their own...

Or, even better, just a confirmation that their message was received. 
Something like the rejection notice, but instead an 'acknowledgment' notice.

Oh well, looks like it can't currently be done, no worries, it isn't 
mission critical...

Thanks for the response, even if it wasn't what I wanted to hear. :)

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[Mailman-Users] Non-member posters - receive copy of their email as confirmation?

[Charles Marcus]

Hello again,

I really appreciate the fast and accurate responses to questions here...

This question has to do with the

Privacy Options > Sender Filters > accept_these_non-members

Is there a way to have Mailman send a copy (BCC would be preferred) of 
there message back to them, for verification that their message was sent?

We have two lists that we use that outside vendors post to (they are the 
'non-member'), where the members are our Sales Reps. I'd like for the 
non-members to get a BCC (preferred, CC would be OK) of their message 
when they post.

If this can't currently be done - what are the chances of an option to 
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[Mailman-Users] Changing hostname of active list server

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According to 4.29 of the FAQ:

-

4.29. Where can I change a list or the default URL used for the web 
interface?
For MM 2.1.2:

  Changing hostnames
  --

These changes should be made $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. The applicable 
MM config variables are described in $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. 
Typically something like what follows, at the end of your mm_cfg.py, 
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  DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'your.mailhostname.tld'
  DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'your.webhostname.tld'
  VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
  add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

and some more add_virtualhost(URL_FQDN, EMAIL_FQDN) if you are using 
virtual hosts.

DEFAULT_URL_HOST should be a fully qualified host name, not an actual 
URL, e.g. 'mailman.example.com' not 'http://mailman.example.com'.

-

Currently, notices with URL references to cancel a posting are of the 
form .y.com, and I want to change it to ..com.

Is this as simple as setting the DEFAULT_URL_HOST in mm_cfg.py, then 
running:

$prefix/bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url ?

I am running postfix in virtual domains mode, but I only have one domain 
right now, if that matters...

I'm just a little nervous about 'fixing something that ain't broke'... ;)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing admin email addresses

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On 11/20/2007, Spyro Polymiadis ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
> There are 2 admins on there.. 1 person is on All of them, and the 
> person who left is on about half of them.

In the future, you might consider just using some generic addresses, 
like list-admin-1, list-admin-2, etc, and then simply alias those to 
whoever is assigned that role - this way you just change the alias to 
change the admin... Thats how I do all of my admin stuff, not just for 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters

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On 11/19/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> My question is do people think they might use this ability to 
> reference a list in the other *_these_nonmembers lists, and should it
> be documented for them too.

Sorry for the belated response...

Yes, I can see the potential benefit for this ability. I have no need 
for it currently, but you never know.

So, my vote would be to keep and document it...

Thanks for the .10b1 release - now just have to wait for the gentoo dev 
to make the ebuild available in the official portage tree (I haven't 
opened the can of worms that keeping my own, local repository of 
unofficial ebuilds yet, if I ever will)...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize Reject Messages?

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On 12/3/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Charles Marcus wrote:
>>
>> For internal reasons, we only allow secure (https) traffic through 
>> our firewall. The URL provided at the footer of a message being
>> held (that allows the sender to cancel it) is not a secure URL, so
>> this link fails.
>> 
>> Is there a way to change this? I see how I can completely remove 
>> the entire reference, but I'd like to keep this functionality if 
>> possible.

> If your setting in mm_cfg.py for DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN includes the 
> https scheme (e.g. DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'), you
> may need to run fix_url to update the list's web_page_url attribute.
> That should fix it.

Perfect! That fixed me up... thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Customize Reject Messages?

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> If all you want to change is the "Message body is too big: 2236114
> bytes with a limit of 256 KB"" line, you have to change that by
> editing the definition of reason_notice in the MessageTooBig class in
> Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py

Yes, that was part of it, thanks!

> If you want to change the Hold notice in general for all held messages,
> you can make a sitewide, domain-specific or list-specific version of
> the postheld.txt template as discussed at
> .

Ok, now, just one last thing... if there's not an easy way to do it, 
thats ok, but it never hurts to ask... ;)

For internal reasons, we only allow secure (https) traffic through our 
firewall. The URL provided at the footer of a message being held (that 
allows the sender to cancel it) is not a secure URL, so this link fails.

Is there a way to change this? I see how I can completely remove the 
entire reference, but I'd like to keep this functionality if possible.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Release date for 2.1.10 - was: 2.1.20?

[Charles Marcus]

Mark Sapiro, on 12/3/2007 3:45 PM, said the following:
> Charles Marcus wrote:
>> I know, I hate this kind of question, but, it's been 15 months since 
>> 2.1.19 was released, and I was just wondering if there was any kind of 
>> tentative, planned guesstimated release date for 2.1.20...

> If you mean 2.1.9 and 2.1.10

Heh - yeah - I've been messing with something else and had .19 and .20 
on my mind... sorry.

> 2.1.10b0 is essentially ready to release. There are a few packaging
> glitches to work out due to the switch from Subversion to Bazaar for
> version control, but it should be out very soon.

b0 meaning a beta?

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[Mailman-Users] Release date for 2.1.20?

[Charles Marcus]

Hi,

I know, I hate this kind of question, but, it's been 15 months since 
2.1.19 was released, and I was just wondering if there was any kind of 
tentative, planned guesstimated release date for 2.1.20...

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[Mailman-Users] Customize Reject Messages?

[Charles Marcus]

Hi,

Is there a way to customize the rejection messages? Specifically, I want 
to customize the rejection message that a non-member who posts to a list 
that he is on the "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be 
automatically accepted."...

Currently they get this, if the message is too big:

"Your mail to 'Remnants' with the subject

 testing too big

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

 Message body is too big: 2236114 bytes with a limit of 256 KB"

I'd like to change it...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitation confirmation subject line/VERP

[Charles Marcus]

On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>> Yes, one would think that, but you do need to set
>>> 
>>> recipient_delimiter = +
>>> 
>>> in main.cf, even though the Postfix document doesn't get to 
>>> that until much later.

>> No, you don't - this is the default... you only need to explicitly 
>> set it if you want to change it.

> Quoting from , aka 'man 5
> postconf'
> 
>   recipient_delimiter (default: empty)

Odd... in the default main.cf that was installed on my box, it was 
already set to + but commented out - which, for postfix, means it is the 
default... and I was almost positive that I recall someone on the 
postfix telling me this explicitly, but...

I see that a postconf -d shows you to be correct...

Apologies for the noise...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] another question about invitationconfirmationsubject line/VERP

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On 11/27/2007, Mark Sapiro ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Yes, one would think that, but you do need to set
> 
> recipient_delimiter = +
> 
> in main.cf, even though the Postfix document doesn't get to that until
> much later.

No, you don't - this is the default... you only need to explicitly set 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters

[Charles Marcus]

>> Is there a patch available for Mailman that will let multiple lists 
>> share another lists non-member (and maybe other) filters?

> I think you mean
> .
> This patch allows specifying the name of a list (say list2) in list1's
> accept_these_nonmembers so that members of list2 can post to list1
> even if they aren't members of list1.

Yep, thats it, thanks! According to the bug tracker, this patch will be 
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[Mailman-Users] Shared non-member filters

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Hello,

I'm almost sure I saw mention of something like this somewhere, but 
googling isn't finding it...

Is there a patch available for Mailman that will let multiple lists 
share another lists non-member (and maybe other) filters?

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[Mailman-Users] ENOUGH ALREADY !!!!!!!!!! Was Re: GMane?

[Charles Marcus]

This topic is no longer germaine (pun intended) to the purpose of this 
list, and I am getting really tired of clicking the delete button.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscription settings not taking

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> If you're talking about posting to the mailman-users and/or 
> mailman-developers lists from a Gmane hosted newsgroup, then we need 
> to have a talk with them again.
> 
> IIRC, we asked them to stop mirroring the mailman-* mailing lists 
> a while back, and if they have stealthed back into the system, then 
> we need to look at banning all Gmane addresses from contacting any of 
> the python.org sites through any mechanism.

So, I guess you had your talk, because I just got notified that these 
two gmane lists were no longer available and had to unsubscribe (to 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Options > Sender Filters > non-memberfilters

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>> Is it possible to reference a one-address-per-line text file for this 
>> filter?

> Not without modifying the source code.
 >
> One way you could accomplish this is to get the patch at
> .
> Then you could either modify the patch to get its whitelist from a
> file instead of another list, or you could create a separate list
> which is essentially turned off except that its membership could be
> the whitelist for the other lists.

Looks like this will work - thanks! But... I prefer to not apply custom 
patches if at all possible - is support for this planned for future 
releases? Seems like 'a good thing' to have, no?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Privacy Options > Sender Filters > non-memberfilters

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>> Is it possible to reference a one-address-per-line text file for this 
>> filter?

> Not without modifying the source code.
> 
> One way you could accomplish this is to get the patch at
> .
> Then you could either modify the patch to get its whitelist from a
> file instead of another list, or you could create a separate list
> which is essentially turned off except that its membership could be
> the whitelist for the other lists.

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[Mailman-Users] Privacy Options > Sender Filters > non-member filters

[Charles Marcus]

I have googled to no avail, and find nothing in the docs...

Is it possible to reference a one-address-per-line text file for this 
filter?

I have 8 lists, and all need to reference the same list of addresses as 
a 'whitelist', so that only those non-members are allowed to post. As it 
is now, I have to edit each list separately. I'd like to simply 
reference a plain text file, that I would thenonly have to edit once.

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[Mailman-Users] Postfix+LDAP?

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Greetings,

I have googled quite a bit on this, but have not found anything recent 
or definitive...

Can anyone point me to some recent HowTo on setting up Mailman to talk 
with a Postfix/LDAP setup? If it matters, I'll be using:

CentOS 4.2
PowerSmb (http://tinyurl.com/bkdwr)
   consists of Samba/Postfix/Dovecot/LDAP, all preconfigured to work
   happily together.

Now I just need to be able to add Mailman into the mix.

I am in the process of building the server that this will all be 
installed on, so am just trying to get my hands on some HowTo's to study 
until its ready to install.

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