Re: [Mailman-Users] question on bounce processing

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks Mark.

Is there a way to have the bounce notification and info be sent to a
different email address (like me instead of the list owner)? It would be
too technical to have them sent to the owner.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:59 AM Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 1/4/19 9:55 AM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> > Where should I look at for trying to figure out why particular members
> are
> > being dropped off? I have members receiving the excessive bounce messages
> > but I'm not finding much in the mail log relative to excessive bounces
> for
> > the email address (I'm probably not looking for the correct bounce lines
> in
> > the log)
> >
> > I'm running Mailman 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 and postfix
>
>
> Ensure that Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable is set
> to Yes. Then when the user's delivery is disabled, the list owner will
> receive a notice with a copy of the bounce DSN.
>
> Or, with Mailman 2.1.19+ you can set
> bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment to Yes to get a notice every
> time a user's bounce score is incremented.
>
> This info should also be in the mail log if the bounces are reported by
> the local MTA, but not if they are reported by a remote MTA. With
> Postfix, look for lines with "status=bounce"
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[Mailman-Users] question on bounce processing

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Where should I look at for trying to figure out why particular members are
being dropped off? I have members receiving the excessive bounce messages
but I'm not finding much in the mail log relative to excessive bounces for
the email address (I'm probably not looking for the correct bounce lines in
the log)

I'm running Mailman 2.1.26 on Ubuntu 18.04 and postfix

thanks
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[Mailman-Users] too many recipients

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hello,

I'm using mailman 2.x with postfix with much trouble. Recently I started
seeing a lot of errors like this:

delivery to xxx failed with code 452: 4.5.3 Error: too many recipients


I do have both mailman and postfix configured for max recipients of 10, so
I don't understand why there would still be complaints.


Any suggestions on how else I can further debug this?


thanks

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[Mailman-Users] DMARC bouncing of yahoo and hotmail users

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I've started noticing bounces to yahoo and hotmail users with this
rejection message:

 Unfortunately, messages from (xxx) on behalf of (yahoo.com.br) could not
be delivered due to domain owner policy restrictions. (in reply to end of
DATA command))

In researching this problem I found this thread:

http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-1454-mailman-Mass-bouncing-of-yahoo-user-subscriptions-td5181289.html

>From the thread it seems to indicate that Mailman v2.1.19 would have a
workaround for the issue.

First, does anyone know if the updates in Mailman do indeed address the
issue?

Second, my server is running Ubuntu linux with Mailman v2.1.16 and I'm not
able to update to a new version via the apt-get command since this version
of Ubuntu has v2.1.16 as the "latest". Is it safe for me to update Mailman
via a tarball and not mess up the packaged installation?

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[Mailman-Users] trying to understand Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have some lists that have message delivery bounces returned and I can’t quite 
understand what’s going on.

I’m using Postfix on the mailman server. In sending messages to either gmail or 
yahoo recipients, it seems to only work when the receiving end relays from a 
certain server, but errors when relaying through a different one. Not sure how 
to better explain so I’ll copy the examples here.

The recipient addresses are people in Brazil, and the error cases are when mail 
is being relayed through there

successful deliveries to yahoo and gmail, the relay shows a yahoo and gmail 
server respectively:
Oct 23 13:18:07 localhost postfix/smtp[6101]: 0B0B344071: 
to=, relay=mta6.am0.yahoodns.net[98.138.112.35]:25, 
delay=1.4, delays=0.01/0.19/0.15/1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok dirdel)
Oct 23 13:18:30 localhost postfix/smtp[6099]: AC6FC44166: to=< 
...@yahoo.com>, relay=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net[98.138.112.33]:25, delay=22, 
delays=0.01/21/0.16/1, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok dirdel 2/0)
Oct 24 06:18:54 localhost postfix/smtp[8152]: 61EF744176: to=< 
...@yahoo.com>, relay=mta5.am0.yahoodns.net[98.136.216.25]:25, conn_use=5, 
delay=19, delays=0.01/16/0.02/2.9, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 ok dirdel 2/0)

Oct 23 13:18:07 localhost postfix/smtp[6077]: 08E0F44070: to=, 
relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.20.26]:25, delay=1, 
delays=0.01/0.61/0.05/0.33, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1445631542 
dl5si20130969pbb.108 - gsmtp)
Oct 23 13:19:04 localhost postfix/smtp[6052]: 27EFF4448E: to=, 
relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.20.26]:25, conn_use=57, delay=51, 
delays=0.01/50/0.03/0.39, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1445631599 
is2si31916407pbc.241 - gsmtp)
Oct 23 13:26:59 localhost postfix/smtp[8446]: 220BF44B92: to=, 
relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[74.125.28.26]:25, conn_use=4, delay=249, 
delays=0.01/248/0.06/0.43, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1445632074 
9si17275085ion.14 - gsmtp)


Bad delivery attempts to same recipients at yahoo and gmail, but this time it’s 
relaying through a server in Brazil:
Oct 24 06:27:26 localhost postfix/smtp[11544]: B7064449E0: to=< 
...@yahoo.com>, relay=mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241]:25, conn_use=17, 
delay=501, delays=0.03/501/0.2/0.21, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host 
mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241] said: 554 5.7.1 < ...@yahoo.com>: Relay 
access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command))

Oct 23 13:26:45 localhost postfix/smtp[8446]: 2039444A28: to=, 
relay=mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241]:25, conn_use=9, delay=498, 
delays=0.01/497/0.25/0.21, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host 
mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241] said: 554 5.7.1 : Relay 
access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Oct 24 06:27:22 localhost postfix/smtp[8165]: 334874492E: to=, 
relay=mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241]:25, conn_use=2, delay=497, 
delays=0.03/497/0.2/0.22, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host 
mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241] said: 554 5.7.1 : Relay 
access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command))
Oct 24 06:27:26 localhost postfix/smtp[11417]: AFCF644249: 
to=, relay=mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241]:25, conn_use=3, 
delay=501, delays=0.03/501/0.21/0.24, dsn=5.7.1, status=bounced (host 
mx2.ibest.com.br[177.153.23.241] said: 554 5.7.1 : Relay 
access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command))


In all failure scenarios, the relaying server (for both yahoo and gmail 
recipients) was the same. But what exactly is the relay error? Is it 
complaining that my own server isn’t properly configured for relay, or is it a 
problem on mx2.ibest.com.br ?

The info for my server and mailman is as follows:
Server: relay1.americasnet.com 
The lists address use either relay1.americasnet.com 
 or listas.americasnet.com 
. Both of these have MX and SPF records 
properly configured to point to relay1.americasnet.com 
. 

So I don’t understand why would any server be bouncing back with a relay error.

Does anyone have any ideas to help me out?

thanks
Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] what's the easiest way to export/import a large list?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

I have a list with around 50k users and I wanted to move from one server to
another.

Does copying the the specific list's directory (e.g. under
/var/lib/mailman/lists) from one server to another work?

Or, alternatively, does config_list output sufficient information of all
the settings and characteristics such that I can then input on the other
server?

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[Mailman-Users] has anyone built a package (or bundle) for Mailman 3 on Ubuntu?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

I wanted to give it a try. I understand it requires multiple packages to
get it working, and wondering if there's already anywhere I can point to to
install via apt-get.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help finding template

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Ok, thanks.


On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

>
> Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> > I'm trying to find, with no success, where the template for that output
> > page is. It seems this might be a hardcoded output that uses the
> > mailman.po
> > text strings, but cannot have its overall content/layout be customized?
>
>
> The output is built on the fly by the Mailman/Cgi/options.py script. Aside
> from the message "Your unsubscription request has been forwarded to the
> list administrator for approval." or "The confirmation email has been
> sent." as appropriate, the response is also the options login page, so you
> can't modify it without messing up it's function as the options login
> page.
>
>
What about the template for confirmation? When clicking on the confirmation
link (either subscribe or unsubscribe) from the email that is sent, it
displays a page to confirm the request. And then once you click on the
button to confirm, there's another page displayed which is like the
confirmation results. Do those have templates?

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[Mailman-Users] help finding template

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

The link normally at the footer of list messages, for example:

Unsubscribe:
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com

Will send out a confirmation email and also takes the user to a
user-specific version of the options page.

I'm trying to find, with no success, where the template for that output
page is. It seems this might be a hardcoded output that uses the mailman.po
text strings, but cannot have its overall content/layout be customized?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thank you for your very useful response below.

Regarding the unsubscribe feature, I can use this link but have some
questions:

Unsubscribe:
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ricardo%40americasnet.com

If I have a page with an unsbuscribe button using the link above, it does 2
things:

1. Sends out a confirmation email for unsubscribing
2. Takes me to the list's options page

For what I'm trying to do, the email confirmation is sufficient. Is there
any way or "trick" to disable the appearance of the options page and
instead just put up some other text?

thanks
Ricardo


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Mailman Admin <
mailman-ad...@uni-konstanz.de> wrote:

> Hello Ricardo Kleemann
>
>
> Am 2014-01-15 06:32, schrieb Ricardo Kleemann:
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/14/2014 04:28 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
> >>> results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR)
> >> but
> >>> I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
> >>> makes a mention to 
> >>
> >>
> >> The replacement for the  tag is built on the fly by the
> >> Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py module. See that module for the English strings
> >> involved. These strings are the keys for the pt_BR translations in
> >> messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.
> >>
> > So I understand I need to use msgfmt.py to compile changes made to the
> > text.
> >
> > It seems my mailman installation doesn't have that file, it's not in the
> > bin directory and a "locate msgfmt.py" returns nothing... is there
> > somewhere I can grab it?
> >
>
> You need the GNU gettext package for your OS.
> msgfmt is a tool within it.
>
>
> Kind regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] couple of questions...

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks Mark.


On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 01/14/2014 04:28 PM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> > 1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
> > results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR)
> but
> > I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
> > makes a mention to 
>
>
> The replacement for the  tag is built on the fly by the
> Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py module. See that module for the English strings
> involved. These strings are the keys for the pt_BR translations in
> messages/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po.
>
> So I understand I need to use msgfmt.py to compile changes made to the
text.

It seems my mailman installation doesn't have that file, it's not in the
bin directory and a "locate msgfmt.py" returns nothing... is there
somewhere I can grab it?

Thank you.
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[Mailman-Users] couple of questions...

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi guys,

I have a couple of questions:

1) What file would I modify to customize the text for the subscription
results? I'm looking to customize the text in another language (pt_BR) but
I can't find the text file. I do see the subscribe.html template and it
makes a mention to 

2) Is it possible to unsubscribe via the web in a similar fashion as using
the cgi-bin/subscribe method? I don't see an unsubscribe script under
cgi-bin

thanks
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[Mailman-Users] URL for subscribe request

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

If I want to setup a custom page that has a field for subscribing to a
list, how should I format the call to the cgi-bin/subscribe script in order
to process the request?

What should the post variables be?

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[Mailman-Users] Please help, big problem with members being automatically unsubscribed

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I'm trying to figure out what is happening that my lists are having
significant numbers of users unsubscribed automatically, even though I
turned off bounce processing.

It seems that the members being removed indeed have a number of bounces,
but if I turned off bounce processing how could this be happening?

Thanks for any suggestions
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not removing members

[Ricardo Kleemann]

is there a way to configure via "withlist" instead of the web admin?


On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 12/14/2013 11:11 AM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> > For example, I'll see this message:
> >
> > List:   xyz
> > Member: 
> > Action: Subscription disabled.
> > Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.
> >
> > If I check the member list for that particular email address, it still is
> > there.
>
>
> That's correct. Check your list's web admin Bounce processing settings.
> When the subscription is 'disabled' by bounce, it means a process is
> started wherein a number of warnings determined by the
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings setting are sent at intervals of
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days and only after all the
> warnings have been sent is the address removed from the list.
>
> If you want the address to be removed immediately, set
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to zero.
>
> Note that the warnings and eventual removal (if warnings > 0) depends
> also on Mailman's cron/disabled job being run daily, normally by cron.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounce processing not removing members

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have a large list (>50,000) which processes a large number of bounces and
also supposedly disables subscriptions after excessive bounces.

However, even after seeing a "subscription disabled" message, if I check
the member list, the address is still in there.

Doesn't "subscriptin disabled" actually remove a member from the list?

For example, I'll see this message:

List:   xyz
Member: 
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.

If I check the member list for that particular email address, it still is
there.

Is there any way to figure out how to debug this issue?

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[Mailman-Users] disable bounce processing not working

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have a list and I set the option to disable bounce processing, the list
admin wants to take care of bounces and removals on his own.

However he's still getting addresses removed from the list automatically
by mailman.

Is there something else I need to set to make sure mailman doesn't do any
automatic removals?

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[Mailman-Users] strange problem, list prefix suddenly stopped being inserted

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have a number of lists running and they worked fine with the subject prefix 
for each list.

Suddenly all the distributed messages are no longer showing the subject prefix 
and I don't understand what could be causing this. 

I'm not sure how to debug it, I don't see any evident errors and the only issue 
I see is related to the subject.

Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] when does logs/post get updated?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Mark, thanks for your help.

For the most part I did get around the SMTP issues last week, I disabled 
ident lookup on the smtp server. But it seems to be back today and I don't 
quite understand what could be the problem.


I wrote a tiny perl script to test the connection to the server via 
localhost and I can consistently do 500 connections in 30 seconds. I don't 
see any other evidence of the smtp hanging up.


But if I do an strace on the outgoing runner, it basically is working very 
slowly through a large memberlist. It will process a certain number, then 
hang a few seconds before it processes the next batch. The server is not 
loaded and I don't see any other evidence of problems.


Do you have a small python script I can run to test out the localhost smtp 
that can maybe output some diagnostic information?


Thanks
Ricardo

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Ricardo Kleemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "mailman-users" 
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] when does logs/post get updated?



Ricardo Kleemann wrote:


I have some more data on this...

I enabled the debug in SMTPDirect.py, and it shows that there really
aren't any problems. It shows that slowly a message is being sent out.



So your real issue is why is it proceeding so slowly.



I followed the performance tuning suggestions that had the MAX_RCPTS in
Defaults.py at an optimal value from 2-5, so I set it to 3.



Is the MTA doing DNS verification on incoming mail from Mailman? Are
you having some DNS issue?



But does that mean that mailman is going to simply get stuck on one
single message distribution and won't process any others until this one
is finished?



Yes.



I used to have these lists on another server and over there I had the
MAX_RCPTS set to a high number, but my mail server is set to reject
above 25 rcpts anyway so the end result that at max it would handle 25
rcpts. I remember that whenever a message arrived for the list (again
20,000 members) on the other server, the load average on the server
would go pretty high as it processed the list.

But now on this new server I never see the load avg go up. Is this
because of the MAX_RCPTS setting? What else would keep mailman from
efficiently handling the messages?



Slow response from the MTA. Even with SMTP_MAX_RCPTS set to 3, you
should be delivering on the order of 100 or more recipients per
second. What do you see in Mailman's smtp log for processing tomes for
messages. How do the latest ones compare to those from days or a week
ago?



The OutgoingRunner is just sitting there slowly distributing the message
and never seems to get to the next one.



It will when it finishes this one.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] when does logs/post get updated?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

I have some more data on this...

I enabled the debug in SMTPDirect.py, and it shows that there really
aren't any problems. It shows that slowly a message is being sent out.

I followed the performance tuning suggestions that had the MAX_RCPTS in
Defaults.py at an optimal value from 2-5, so I set it to 3.

But does that mean that mailman is going to simply get stuck on one
single message distribution and won't process any others until this one
is finished?

I used to have these lists on another server and over there I had the
MAX_RCPTS set to a high number, but my mail server is set to reject
above 25 rcpts anyway so the end result that at max it would handle 25
rcpts. I remember that whenever a message arrived for the list (again
20,000 members) on the other server, the load average on the server
would go pretty high as it processed the list.

But now on this new server I never see the load avg go up. Is this
because of the MAX_RCPTS setting? What else would keep mailman from
efficiently handling the messages? 

The OutgoingRunner is just sitting there slowly distributing the message
and never seems to get to the next one.

On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 09:43 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> >I'm having some problems with my lists recently. I see in my mail log
> >that "mailman post" has been called. However, when I look in the
> >logs/post file, it's been almost 24 hours since anything has been
> >written there.
> 
> 
> The post log is written by SMTPDirect (under control of OutgoingRunner)
> when the outgoing message is delivered to the MTA.
> 
> >I'm running mailman on Ubuntu Hardy, and another weird thing is that
> >whenever I stop mailman, it always leaves at least one process hanging
> >around. I have to forcefully kill it. After I stop it, I still see:
> >
> >list  3833  0.0  0.4  83076  7540 ?Ss   08:29
> >0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
> >list  3842  0.1  2.5 105372 38148 ?S08:29
> >0:01 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
> >--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
> 
> 
> It appears that SMTPDirect (actually the underlying Python smtplib) is
> hung waiting for a response from the MTA that isn't coming.
> 
> 
> >Even more strange when I reboot the machine, I'll see 2 entire sets of
> >mailman processes, almost as if the mailman start had been called twice.
> 
> 
> It seems like you have two init scripts for Mailman.
> 
> 
> >In any case, right now it seems that mailman has stopped accepting
> >posts. Is there a way to get more debug from mailman when "mailman post"
> >is called? I don't see any errors, yet I don't see the post log file
> >updating.
> 
> 
> "mailman post" just puts the message in the in/ queue. I assume from
> what you say above that it gets processed by IncomingRunner and even
> archived and the problem is in OutgoingRunner.
> 
> See the FAQs at <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9> and
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/-IA9>.
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] when does logs/post get updated?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hello Mark,

Thanks for your reply.


> >I'm running mailman on Ubuntu Hardy, and another weird thing is that
> >whenever I stop mailman, it always leaves at least one process hanging
> >around. I have to forcefully kill it. After I stop it, I still see:
> >
> >list  3833  0.0  0.4  83076  7540 ?Ss   08:29
> >0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
> >list  3842  0.1  2.5 105372 38148 ?S08:29
> >0:01 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
> >--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
> 
> 
> It appears that SMTPDirect (actually the underlying Python smtplib) is
> hung waiting for a response from the MTA that isn't coming.
> 

But the strange thing here is that I have no issues at all connecting to
the smtp server at localhost. Defaults.py has the standard config, using
localhost with SMTPDirect.

Whatever the OutgoingRunner is stuck on, it's definitely stuck. It won't
go away unless I do a kill -9

> 
> >Even more strange when I reboot the machine, I'll see 2 entire sets of
> >mailman processes, almost as if the mailman start had been called twice.
> 
> 
> It seems like you have two init scripts for Mailman.
> 
I would have thought so... but there's only 1 script under /etc/init.d/
and no other scripts there reference mailman

> 
> >In any case, right now it seems that mailman has stopped accepting
> >posts. Is there a way to get more debug from mailman when "mailman post"
> >is called? I don't see any errors, yet I don't see the post log file
> >updating.
> 
> 
> "mailman post" just puts the message in the in/ queue. I assume from
> what you say above that it gets processed by IncomingRunner and even
> archived and the problem is in OutgoingRunner.
> 
> See the FAQs at  and
> .
> 

I can see that the in queue is probably working. There are currently 129
files in the out/ queue.

There are 2 OutgoingRunner processes and apparently BOTH of them are
doing something because strace does show some activity

Process 14078 attached - interrupt to quit
recvfrom(7, "250 Ok. 49303165.45C"..., 8192, 0, NULL, NULL)
= 35
sendto(7, "mail FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 65, 0, NULL, 0) = 65
recvfrom(7, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(7, "rcpt TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 35, 0, NULL, 0) = 35
recvfrom(7, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(7, "rcpt TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 42, 0, NULL, 0) = 42
recvfrom(7, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(7, "rcpt TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\r\n", 31, 0, NULL, 0) = 31
recvfrom(7, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(7, "data\r\n", 6, 0, NULL, 0)= 6
recvfrom(7, "354 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(7, "Received: from sr05-01.mta.terra"..., 8256, 0, NULL, 0) =
8256
recvfrom(7, "250 Ok. 49303172.45D"..., 8192, 0, NULL, NULL)
= 35


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/mailman# strace -p13800
Process 13800 attached - interrupt to quit
recvfrom(8, "250 Ok. 493031A7.464"..., 8192, 0, NULL, NULL)
= 35
sendto(8, "mail FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 65, 0, NULL, 0) = 65
recvfrom(8, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(8, "rcpt TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\r\n", 29, 0, NULL, 0) = 29
recvfrom(8, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(8, "rcpt TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\r\n", 31, 0, NULL, 0) = 31
recvfrom(8, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(8, "rcpt TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]"..., 43, 0, NULL, 0) = 43
recvfrom(8, "250 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9
sendto(8, "data\r\n", 6, 0, NULL, 0)= 6
recvfrom(8, "354 Ok.\r\n", 8192, 0, NULL, NULL) = 9


Yet even though it's being processed, the logs/post file isn't getting
updated, and the number of messages in out/ doesn't decrease.

Could this be because mailman is processing a very large list (20,000
members) and it is just stuck on processing one message, while the other
messages wait around?

But I've been handling these lists for a long time and never had these
problems. Mailman doesn't seem to be getting much cpu usage. 



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[Mailman-Users] when does logs/post get updated?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I'm having some problems with my lists recently. I see in my mail log
that "mailman post" has been called. However, when I look in the
logs/post file, it's been almost 24 hours since anything has been
written there.

I'm running mailman on Ubuntu Hardy, and another weird thing is that
whenever I stop mailman, it always leaves at least one process hanging
around. I have to forcefully kill it. After I stop it, I still see:

list  3833  0.0  0.4  83076  7540 ?Ss   08:29
0:00 /usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
list  3842  0.1  2.5 105372 38148 ?S08:29
0:01 /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s

Even more strange when I reboot the machine, I'll see 2 entire sets of
mailman processes, almost as if the mailman start had been called twice.

In any case, right now it seems that mailman has stopped accepting
posts. Is there a way to get more debug from mailman when "mailman post"
is called? I don't see any errors, yet I don't see the post log file
updating.

Ricardo


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[Mailman-Users] performance tuning

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have a couple of lists with 20,000 members each.

How can I tune mailman to improve delivery performance? I know that some
list managers lump users by domain in order to more efficiently deliver.

What sorts of configuration can I do to help improve performance?

Thanks
Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] membership disabled message

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

One of my lists is the newsletter type, where one person is in charge of doing 
subs and unsubs.

For this list in particular I don't really care, at all, about sending this 
disabled message to the users.

In the list config, I set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 yet I still see 
mailman sending out these messages.

how can I completely disable this feature?

Thanks
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[Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I'm running mailman 2.1.9 under Ubuntu, and for some reason it seems to somehow 
be getting stuck once in a while. Almost every day I have to "kick it" to get 
it going by restarting the process. Although it seems all the qrunner processes 
are still there, the qfiles seem stuck and until I restart mailman, the queue 
does not get processed.

I have a couple large lists, to the point that when the queue gets stuck, I can 
come in the morning and see there are almost 20,000 messages in the qfiles/out 
directory.

I've been running these lists for a few years now, and they were running fine 
under mailman in another server, but now I've moved them to a new server, and 
somehow this is happening.

I see that in logs/error there are a lot of errors related to unparseable 
message, for example:

Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Uncaught runner exception: multipart message with 
no defined boundary
Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop
msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 164, in dequeue
msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 51, in 
message_from_string
return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 240, in _parsebody
msgobj = self.parsestr(part)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 265, in _parsebody
msg = self.parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 247, in _parsebody
'multipart message with no defined boundary')
BoundaryError: multipart message with no defined boundary

Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Ignoring unparseable message: 
1225156297.669034+58c184ed96a18e9fdad8c658fde5815c31440c01

But anyway, these lists ran without a hitch in the other server with an older 
version of mailman.

Is there something I can look at to help debug this problem? Right now it looks 
like I have to resort to a cron entry to restart mailman once a day, probably.. 
:-(

Thanks for any help
Ricardo
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces of invalid emails don't go to owner?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

So there's no easy way to prune a large list of bad addresses... :-(


> Mailman attempts to process bounces on its own. Even with that setting 
> set to yes, you will only ever see the actual bounces when Mailman 
> cannot detect them.
> 
> Unless someone like Mark has a brilliant way of viewing these, you can't.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] bounces of invalid emails don't go to owner?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks.

I have all those settings to "Yes", isn't that the way it should be?

The first setting is about bounce messages that failed to be detected... but 
what about regular bounces that are properly detected?

Ricardo

> Hello,
>
> Go onto the "Bounce Processing" page on your Administration page. Scroll 
> to the bottom of the options. The last three are:
>
> Should Mailman send you, the list owner, any bounce messages that failed 
> to be detected by the bounce processor? /Yes/ is recommended.
> (Details for *bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner*) 
> 
>
> No Yes
>
> Should Mailman notify you, the list owner, when bounces cause a member's 
> subscription to be disabled?
> (Details for *bounce_notify_owner_on_disable*) 
> 
>
> No Yes
>
> Should Mailman notify you, the list owner, when bounces cause a member to 
> be unsubscribed?
> (Details for *bounce_notify_owner_on_removal*) 
> 
>
> No Yes
>
>
>
> This is where you can set what messages are sent to you via the bounce 
> system.
> 

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[Mailman-Users] bounces of invalid emails don't go to owner?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I see in my maillog email addresses that are bouncing because they are not 
valid, and I see mailman handling the bounce score, but the owner does not 
receive the bounce messages.

Is there a way to configure such that the owner does receive these bounces?

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[Mailman-Users] Please help with some list options...

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Is it possible for a list to put each recipient's email address on the "To" 
instead of the list address itself?

Similarly, there are some email clients that change the "From" to say 
 on behalf of , how can I have the list simply 
put the sender's address and not have this "on behalf of"?

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[Mailman-Users] how to re-activate large number of members?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have a couple of large lists (> 15,000 members) in which a significant 
percentage of them have been deactivated. I'm not sure why, I don't think that 
all of them are really consistently bouncing.

I wanted to reactivate all of them and let mailman take its course once again 
in processing the bounces.

But it's impossible to do it individually. Is there a way to change this en 
masse?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] how can moderators automatically subscribe users?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thank you for your comments, John.

As a matter of fact that's what I ended up doing. I created a separate alias
(like list-command), which pipes the message through another program, and
the program then parses the message for commands (currently only
subscribe/unsubscribe), and then runs the mailman command line programs to
perform the action. The commands have to be preceded by an approval
password. This is very similar to the way majordomo works. But I'd rather
use mailman.

The reason I need to focus on email commands, is because I have a couple of
lists that are managed by a person who is blind, and uses email as the main
tool for management. He is still very capable of using the web, but it's
much easier and not so cluttered. It's amazing what some voice tools out
there enable visually impaired people to do.

Ricardo

- Original Message - 
From: "John W. Baxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mailman Users" 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how can moderators automatically subscribe
users?


> On 6/2/05 8:39 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >>
> >> I know that via the web interface this is quite easy. However, I have a
need
> >> to be able to subscribe users via email commands, without the user
being
> >> subscribed getting a confirmation email. In other words, someone asks
to be
> >> inserted into the list, and then an email is sent with the subscribe
command
> >> in it.
> >>
> >> Is this possible?
> >
> > I think that as long as subscribe_policy includes confirm, the
> > subscribee will always receive a confirm e-mail from a subscribe (or
> > join) e-mail command.
>
> Hmmm...another thought.
>
> A possibility would be to write a program (in whatever language is
> convenient and safe) which receives the email commands at some address not
> related to mailman, validates them for authenticity by whatever means (I'd
> be tempted to use PGP or GPG signatures here, and a sufficiently paranoid*
> person would add encryption), and then drives the Mailman command line
tool
> which can add addresses without confirmation.
>
> There remains nothing in as-shipped Mailman through 2.1.6 which will do
what
> Ricardo wants.
>
>   --John
>* It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
>
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[Mailman-Users] how can moderators automatically subscribe users?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I know that via the web interface this is quite easy. However, I have a need
to be able to subscribe users via email commands, without the user being
subscribed getting a confirmation email. In other words, someone asks to be
inserted into the list, and then an email is sent with the subscribe command
in it.

Is this possible?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks again Mark,

You've helped me solve it! :-)

Indeed, it was the localhost in Defaults.py that was causing the problem. I
changed it to 'lists.americasnet.com' and now messages to -owner work...

Ricardo

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ricardo Kleemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help


> Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> >
> >This helped me to figure it out...! The envelope sender is set to
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED], and it seems courier doesn't like that. I
> >verified that by telnetting into my mail server and got the same 517
syntax
> >error when I sent:
> >
> >mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >Is mailman-bounces one of the required aliases? How can I configure
mailman
> >such that it uses a proper email address rather than providing
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
>
> I'm guessing the specific error is the localhost part, not the -bounces
> part since virtually all mail from mailman has an envelope sender of
> some [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this case the listname is
> 'mailman', i.e. the site list.
>
> Go to the admin pages (General Options) for the mailman list and you'll
> probably see host_name is localhost. Change it there and I think
> you'll be OK.
>
> You could also run
>
> bin/withlist -l -r fixurl mailman
>
> Assuming your Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py values for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and
> mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are 'good'.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi Mark,

One thing that confuses me, is that I sent email to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but as you see the smtp transaction
used mailman-bounces (so it didn't use the listname, 'ricardo1')

> I'm guessing the specific error is the localhost part, not the -bounces
> part since virtually all mail from mailman has an envelope sender of
> some [EMAIL PROTECTED] In this case the listname is
> 'mailman', i.e. the site list.
>

> Go to the admin pages (General Options) for the mailman list and you'll
> probably see host_name is localhost. Change it there and I think
> you'll be OK.

But unfortunately that's not the case... The config for the list has
'lists.americasnet.com' for the hostname

>
> You could also run
>
> bin/withlist -l -r fixurl mailman
>
> Assuming your Defaults.py/mm_cfg.py values for DEFAULT_URL_HOST and
> mm_cfg.DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST are 'good'.

What should DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST be? I have it as localhost because I thought
this is the host mailman uses to _connect_ to the email server, therefore
it's set to localhost.

Ricardo

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks Mark.

This helped me to figure it out...! The envelope sender is set to
[EMAIL PROTECTED], and it seems courier doesn't like that. I
verified that by telnetting into my mail server and got the same 517 syntax
error when I sent:

mail from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is mailman-bounces one of the required aliases? How can I configure mailman
such that it uses a proper email address rather than providing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?

Ricardo
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From: "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ricardo Kleemann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help


> Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
> >Awesome, this below is exactly what I was looking for; I'll add that code
to
> >try and get more debug from the smtp transaction.
>
> 
> >>
> >> You could add following that something like
> >>
> >>syslog('smtp-failure', 'Args\n envsender->%s
> >>   \n recips->%s\n msgtext->%s', envsender, recips, msgtext)
> >>
> >>
> >> to try to see what is actually being given to the sendmail method that
> >> fails.
>
> Ooops... can't break a single quoted string across lines. Make that
>
> syslog('smtp-failure', 'Args\n envsender->%s\n recips->%s\n
> msgtext->%s',
> envsender, recips, msgtext)
>
> (and watch out for the wrapped line, and be sure the syslog is intented
> to the same level as the preceding one.)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Awesome, this below is exactly what I was looking for; I'll add that code to 
try and get more debug from the smtp transaction.

Thanks
Ricardo

>
> If you look in Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py within the definition of
> bulkdeliver() you'll see
>
>except smtplib.SMTPResponseException, e:
>syslog('smtp-failure', 'SMTP session failure: %s, %s, msgid:
> %s',
>   e.smtp_code, e.smtp_error, msgid)
>
>
> You could add following that something like
>
>syslog('smtp-failure', 'Args\n envsender->%s
>   \n recips->%s\n msgtext->%s', envsender, recips, msgtext)
>
>
> to try to see what is actually being given to the sendmail method that
> fails.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks for the pointers, Mark.

>
> Is it only the one list, or is it all moderated lists?

Well I reconfigured the list so that members are not moderated, just to
test... no difference.

Now I'm actually just simply sending email directly to the -owner address,
and I continue to get this syntax error.

>
> If only the one, I suspect some issue with the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias in courier?

Well, the fact that the mailman log is reporting an error is in itself an
indication that the alias is piping the message to mailman. This is what the
alias is doing:
"|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman owner ricardo1"

so mailman processes the message, and then reports the syntax error.

>
> What happens to -owner mail for other, non-moderated lists?

I just tried sending to another list "test", to test-owner... and to my
surprise, it fails with the same error! :-/   This means to me that all my
lists are failing for the -owner address.

> >Is there a way I can manually run the mailman program with debug to try
and
> >see what's going on in the smtp session ?
>
> See http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-May/044742.html
> for a way to replicate Mailman's sending of mail. Try using
>
> rcpts = ['[EMAIL PROTECTED]']
>
> in the script in that post, but I doubt you'll get much more
> information than you already get.

Thanks... but does mailman really insert the -owner address in that
transaction, or does it already lookup who the owner is for the list and
insert that address?

Anyone else have any ideas?

Ricardo

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Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thank you.

I'm running on linux (on this server, an older SuSE version). Mailman 2.1.4,
Python 2.3, the mta is courier.

I've been using mailman for quite some time and it has always seemed to work
without problems.

But I'm having trouble with messages being sent to the list owner
(administrator) for a moderated list. The error I see in the log is

SMTP session failure: 517, Syntax error. msgid: <...>

So for example I have a list called "ricardo1", and it is configured as
moderated. When I send an email to the list, it is forwarded on to the list
administrator.

In mailman's logs, I see:

 smtp log --
Jun 01 07:02:56 2005 (22702)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> smtp for 1
recips, completed in 0.154 seconds
Jun 01 07:03:15 2005 (22702)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> smtp for 2
recips, completed in 16.207 seconds

 smtp-failure log 
Jun 01 07:03:06 2005 (22702) SMTP session failure: 517, Syntax error.,
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Jun 01 07:03:15 2005 (22702) SMTP session failure: 517, Syntax error.,
msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I also tested this by sending a message directly to the list owner
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

and I get the exact same error...

The list is configured with the owner/administrator as my own email,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there a way I can manually run the mailman program with debug to try and
see what's going on in the smtp session ?

Thanks
Ricardo

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Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help


> On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 06:44:14AM -0700, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> > I posted this yesterday but I have received no replies... can someone
help
> > me out?
>
> You must supply more info...
> OS? Mailman version? Distro? Python version? MTA (name and version)?
>
> Regards
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[Mailman-Users] (re-post) smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi...

I posted this yesterday but I have received no replies... can someone help
me out?

Thanks
Ricardo



> Hi,
>
> I'm getting errors in the smtp-failure log when a message is attempted to
be
> delivered to the list owner.
>
> This is the error I see:
>
> SMTP session failure: 517, Syntax error. msgid: <...>
>
> What exactly is this? How can I determine what the session error was?
>
> This happens every time I send a message to the list, the message then I
> guess is being forwarded to the -owner address (which is my own) but then
it
> fails with that error.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Ricardo
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[Mailman-Users] smtp failures, please help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I'm getting errors in the smtp-failure log when a message is attempted to be
delivered to the list owner.

This is the error I see:

SMTP session failure: 517, Syntax error. msgid: <...>

What exactly is this? How can I determine what the session error was?

This happens every time I send a message to the list, the message then I
guess is being forwarded to the -owner address (which is my own) but then it
fails with that error.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks
Ricardo

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Fwd: We're sorry, we hit a bug! -- Please Help!

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thank you for your feedback, Richard.

I'm not sure why you say the traceback doesn't match MM 2.1.4. I'm running
MM 2.1.4, I installed from mailman-2.1.4.tgz some time ago.

The install is pretty much stock, I only made some modifications to the
MailList.py module, but I have not changed any of the modules mentioned in
the traceback.

My set of python RPMs (in a SUSE system) are:

python-mysql-0.9.2-52
python-devel-2.3-49
mod_python-2.7.8-427
python-2.3-49
python-curses-2.3-49
python-tk-2.3-49

What other information can I provide to help?

Ricardo

> On 4 Mar 2004, at 19:36, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I sent this message out yesterday, but haven't received any replies...
>> Can
>> someone help me out with this?
>>
>
> At a minimum you need to say what versions of Mailman and Python you
> are running. The line numbers in the traceback do not match MM 2.1.4,
> the latest stable release, and the versions of software may well affect
> the interpretation of your problem. It would also help if you indicate
> if any modifications have been made to the standard MM distribution or
> patches applied. Looking at the current stable MM code it is difficult
> to see how this error could arise with unmodified code but an older
> version of MM may have an inherent problem which might lead to it.
>
>>
>>  Original Message
>> 
>> Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help.
>> From:
>>"ricardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date:Wed, March 3, 2004 12:00 pm
>> To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> ---
>> ---
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm getting this problem when attempting to enter the
>> private list archives via private.cgi and log in with a
>> subscriber's email and password. The login page comes up
>> fine, but once I input the email and password, I get the
>> error below.
>>
>> Traceback:
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
>> run_main
>> main()
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
>> 120, in main
>> password, username):
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
>> 226, in WebAuthenticate
>> print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
>>   File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
>> 233, in MakeCookie
>> raise ValueError
>> ValueError
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> -
>>
>> Python information:
>> Variable Value
>> sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Oct 2 2003, 23:03:59) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE
>> Linux)]
>> sys.executable /usr/bin/python
>> sys.prefix /usr
>> sys.exec_prefix /usr
>> sys.path /usr
>> sys.platform linux2
>>
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[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I sent this message out yesterday, but haven't received any replies... Can
someone help me out with this?


 Original Message 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] We're sorry, we hit a bug!  -- Please Help. From:
   "ricardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:Wed, March 3, 2004 12:00 pm
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

Hi,

I'm getting this problem when attempting to enter the
private list archives via private.cgi and log in with a
subscriber's email and password. The login page comes up
fine, but once I input the email and password, I get the
error below.

Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in
run_main
main()
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py", line
120, in main
password, username):
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
226, in WebAuthenticate
print self.MakeCookie(ac, user)
  File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line
233, in MakeCookie
raise ValueError
ValueError







Python information:
Variable Value
sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Oct 2 2003, 23:03:59) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE
Linux)]
sys.executable /usr/bin/python
sys.prefix /usr
sys.exec_prefix /usr
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Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks Ed.

One thing I hadn't noticed in my first mailman installation
and which I did notice with the SUSE rpm's installation is
the use of files /etc/mailman.cgi-gid and
/etc/mailman.mail-gid.

Does that setup work right out of the box? Basically it
allows to dynamically set the proper gid without having to
rebuild mailman with the specific gid settings. That is
really nice. I'm hoping I can build mailman-2.1.4 from the
tarball and it will consult those files for gid
configuration?

Ricardo

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> 
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:04:37PM -0800, Ricardo Kleemann
> > wrote: 
> > I have a question... I currently run mailman as
> > installed via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade
> > via the tarball? I mean the rpm puts files into specific
> > locations (such as both /usr/lib/mailman and
> > /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to make sure that when I
> > upgrade, the files go into the same locations where they
> > are currently. How can I specify the locations?
> 
> Three options.
> 1.  Since this is a security fix, SuSe should either
> backport the security patch into the version they've
> released, or upgrade to 2.1.4. You can post to a
> SuSe-specific list to find out what they plan on doing, or
> you could contact the package maintainer. 2.  Grab the
> source RPM from SuSe's distribution.  Install it, and then
> study the spec file to see what they've done and what
> patches they've applied.  Merge the new source changes
> with theirs, or replace their source with the one from
> sourceforge.  Rebuild the source rpm and have a good look
> at the rpm it produced to see if the files look like
> they'll go in the right locations.  You'll also need to
> study any config changes and see if they're still
> applicable.  3.  Remove the SuSe RPM.  Install the
> sourceforge package and then migrate your lists over. 
> Forget about ever upgrading from SuSe.
> 
> You really have to decide if you're going to trust your
> distributor - SuSe in this case - or go to the original
> package maintainer for your updates.  You shouldn't mix
> and match.
> 
> I run Red Hat Enterprise Linux and simply go with a stock
> mailman package and watch for the updates myself.  Red Hat
> doesn't even package mailman any more, but I went this
> route with an older Red Hat Linux when Red Hat still was
> shipping it.
> 
> .../Ed
> 
> p.s. In the future, please snip your replies to the
> relevant pieces.
> 
> -- 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Thanks for the update!

I have a question... I currently run mailman as installed
via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade via the tarball?
I mean the rpm puts files into specific locations (such as
both /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to
make sure that when I upgrade, the files go into the same
locations where they are currently. How can I specify the
locations?

Thanks
Ricardo

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> 
> 
> I have released Mailman 2.1.4, a bug fix release that also
> contains support for four new languages: Catalan, Croatian
> , Romanian, and Slovenian.  This release also contains a
> fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in the
> 'admin' cgi script (see CAN-2003-0965).  There is also an
> expanded ability to filter message headers, nominally to
> provide better support when Mailman is used in conjunction
> with upstream spam and virus filters.
> 
> The full source tarball has been made available from the
> usual sites. Sorry, there is no patch available yet, but
> you should be able to install Mailman 2.1.4 over your
> existing 2.1.x installation.  See
> 
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
> 
> for links to the downloadable files.  After installing, be
> sure you restart your Mailman daemon by doing a
> "mailmanctl restart".
> 
> IMPORTANT: You will want to re-run configure before doing
> a make install.
> 
> See also:
> 
> http://www.list.org
> http://mailman.sf.net
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
> 
> Enjoy, and have a Happy New Year.
> -Barry
> 
>  snip snip 
> 2.1.4 (31-Dec-2003)
> 
> - Close some cross-site scripting vulnerabilities in
> the admin pages
>   (CAN-2003-0965).
> 
> - New languages: Catalan, Croatian, Romanian,
> Slovenian.
> 
> - New mm_cfg.py/Defaults.py variable PUBLIC_MBOX which
> allows the site
>   administrator to disable public access to all the
> raw list mbox files
>   (this is not a per-list configuration).
> 
> - Expanded header filter rules under Privacy -> Spam
> Filters.  Now you can
>   specify regular expression matches against any
> header, with specific
>   actions tied to those matches.
> 
> - Rework the SMTP error handling in SMTPDirect.py to
> avoid scoring bounces
>   for all recipients when a permanent error code is
> returned by the mail
>   server (e.g. because of content restrictions).
> 
> - Promoted SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to a Default.py/mm_cfg.py
> variable and
>   make it control syncing on the config.pck file. 
> Also, we always flush
>   and sync message files.
> 
> - Reduce archive bloat by not storing the HTML body of
> Article objects in
>   the Pipermail database.  A new script bin/rb-archfix
> was added to clean
>   up older archives.
> 
> - Proper RFC quoting for List-ID descriptions.
> 
> - PKGDIR can be passed to the make command in order to
> specify a different
>   directory to unpack the distutils packages in misc. 
> (SF bug 784700).
> 
> - Improved logging of the origin of subscription
> requests.
> 
> - Bugs and patches: 832748 (unsubscribe_policy ignored
> for unsub button on
>   member login page), 846681 (bounce disabled cookie
> was always out of
>   date), 835870 (check VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW on
> through the web list
>   creation), 835036 (global address change when the
> new address is already
>   a member of one of the lists), 833384 (incorrect
> admin password on a
>   hold message confirmation attachment would discard
> the message), 835012
>   (fix permission on empty archive index), 816410
> (confirmation page
>   consistency), 834486 (catch empty charsets in the
> scrubber), 777444 (set
>   the process's supplemental groups if possible),
> 860135 (ignore
>   DiscardMessage exceptions during digest scrubbing),
> 828811 (reduce
>   process size for list and admin overviews),
> 864674/864676 (problems
>   accessing private archives and rosters with admin
> password), 865661
>   (Tokio Kikuchi's i18n patches), 862906 (unicode
> prefix leak in admindb),
>   841445 (setting new_member_options via config_list),
> n/a (fixed email
>   command 'set delivery')
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Re: [Mailman-Users] ability to view all members in list?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Thanks for your suggestion.

> 
> You can either change the admin_member_chunksize setting
> for the list so it's larger than the total amount of
> member on your list (which can't be done through the web
> gui, you'd need command line access) or you can check out
> the roster, which, oddly enough, is available on the
> general listinfo page at the bottom.

Is there any reason why the roster doesn't appear in the
admin section? That way there would be no need for a second
authentication step... since to get into admin you have to
authenticate anyway.

Anyone have pointers on how to add this feature to the admin
section (under membership)?

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[Mailman-Users] ability to view all members in list?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

How can I view all members in a list rather than only in
chunks for each letter?

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[Mailman-Users] Please help... "Uncaught bounce notification"

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I've been getting these messages and I don't understand what
they mean, and how I can resolve whatever the issue is?

It says:

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either
the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be
extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
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[Mailman-Users] setting user flags

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I have a list with over 300 members, and none of their
"nodupes" flags are set. What is the best/quickest way to
set the nodupes flag for all members?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.3

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Is there a way for mailman's configure script to detect the
current settings (such as 
--with-username, --with-mail-gid and so on)?

Or is there a quick way for me to manually check what they
should be?

I want to be able to upgrade mailman, but I never remember
exactly what those settings should be, and since I have
non-default settings, everytime I rebuild mailman,
everything goes out of whack because I haven't specified the
appropriate configuration.


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> 
> 
> I have released Mailman 2.1.3, a bug fix release which
> also contains support for four new languages: Ukrainian,
> Serbian, Euskara (Basque), and Danish.  This release also
> contains a fix for a cross-site scripting vulnerability in
> the 'create' cgi script, as well as improved performance
> of the bounce and outgoing queue runners.  I recommend all
> sites running versions of the 2.1.x line upgrade to the
> new version.
> 
> The full source tarball has been made available from the
> usual sites (although the gnu.org sites have not yet been
> updated).  Sorry, there is no patch available, but you
> should be able to install 2.1.3 over your existing 2.1.x
> installation.  See
> 
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
> 
> for links to download all the patches and the source
> tarballs.  After installing, be sure you restart your
> Mailman daemon by doing a "mailmanctl restart".
> 
> See also:
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman
> http://www.list.org (not yet updated)
> http://mailman.sf.net
> 
> Cheers,
> -Barry
> 
>  snip snip 
> 2.1.3 (28-Sep-2003)
> 
> Performance, Reliability, Security
> 
> - Closed a cross-site scripting exploit in the
> create cgi script.
> 
> - Improvements in the performance of the bounce
> processor.
>   Now, instead of processing each bounce
> immediately (which
>   can cause severe lock contention), bounce events
> are queued.
>   Every 15 minutes by default, the queued bounce
> events are
>   processed en masse, on a list-per-list basis, so
> that each
>   list only needs to be locked once.
> 
> - When some or all of a message's recipients have
> temporary
>   delivery failures, the message is moved to a
> "retry" queue.
>   This queue wakes up occasionally and moves the
> file back to
>   the outgoing queue for attempted redelivery. 
> This should
>   fix most observed OutgoingRunner 100% cpu
> consumption,
>   especially for bounces to local recipients when
> using the
>   Postfix MTA.
> 
> - Optional support for fsync()'ing qfile data
> after writing.
>   Under some catastrophic system failures (e.g.
> power lose),
>   it would be possible to lose messages because
> the data
>   wasn't sync'd to disk.  By setting
> SYNC_AFTER_WRITE to True
>   in Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, you can force
> Mailman to
>   fsync() queue files after flushing them.  The
> benefits are
>   debatable for most operating environments, and
> you must
>   ensure that your Python has the os.fsync()
> function defined
>   before enabling this feature (it isn't, even on
> all
>   Unix-like operating systems).
> 
> Internationalization
> 
> - New languages Ukrainian, Serbian, Danish,
> Euskara/Basque.
> 
> - Fixes to template lookup.  Lists with local
> overriding
>   templates would find the wrong template.
> 
> - .mo files (for internationalization) are now
> generated at
>   build time instead of coming as part of the
> source
>   distribution.
> 
> Documentation
> 
> - A first draft of member documentation by Terri
> Oda.  There
>   is also a Japanese translation of this manual by
> Ikeda Soji.
> 
> Archiver / Pipermail
> 
> - In the configuration variables
> PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, and
>   PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER, %(hostname)s has been
> added to
>   the list of allowable substitution variables.
> 
> - The timezone is now taken into account when
> figuring the
>   posting date for an article.
> 
> Scripts / Cron
> 
> - Fixes to cron/disabled for NotAMemberError
> crashes.
> 
> - New script bin/show_qfiles which prints the
> contents of .pck
>   message files.  New script bin/discard which can
> be used to
>   mass discard held messages.
> 
> - Fixes to cron/mailpasswds to account for old
> password-less
>   subscriptions.
> 
> - bin/list_members has grown two new options:
> --invalid/-i
>   prints only the addresses in the member database
> that are
>   invalid (which could have snuck in via old
> releases);
>   --unicode/-u prints addresses which are stored
> as Unicode
>   objects instead of as normal strings.

Re: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Thanks.

As far as changing the code, which python module handles
then sending out of messages? I'd like to attempt adding a
configuration directive that tells mailman to alter the To:
to be the member's address, not the list address.

Ricardo

- Original Message Follows -
> 
> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 10:32, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I guess I don't quite understand what you mean?
> > 
> > - Original Message Follows -
> > > 
> > > You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that
> > > it doesn't overtly show the list email address. 
> > > Beyond that, your best bet is to simply use an
> > > ordinary alias with an MTA that allows
> > > restricted-posting. 
> > 
> > What exactly is Verp?
> > 
> 
>
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.002.htp
> 
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hide list address?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I guess I don't quite understand what you mean?

- Original Message Follows -
> 
> You can use Verp and you can edit the source so that it
> doesn't overtly show the list email address.  Beyond that,
> your best bet is to simply use an ordinary alias with an
> MTA that allows restricted-posting.
> 

What exactly is Verp?

I guess I can look at the source and try to figure out how
to do that. How difficult is it to add a new configuration
directive for that?

I tried one trick, putting the list address in Bcc, but the
message bounced because it has an "implicit destination"

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[Mailman-Users] subscribe members over the web?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I can't seem to find in the Membership Management section of
the web interface, a way to subscribe new members.

Can subscription only be done via a request, and not entered
in by the administrator?

Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] Hide list address?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Is there any way to configure Mailman such that, for an
announcement-only type list, when a message is sent to the
list, the To: shows the member's address, rather than the
list address?

Some list software allows the ability to hide the list
address itself, so that address is not advertised.

I couldn't find any configuration specific to that.

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[Mailman-Users] restricting subscriptions

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Sometimes an announcement-only type of list needs also to be
configured such that it restricts subscription, meaning that
only an approved person (e.g. administrator) can actually
add members to the subscription list.

Is that at all possible with MM ?

Is it possible to hold subscription requests?

Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] changing styles or adding css to html files?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

If I wanted to add some css to the mailman web interface,
what would be the best/quickest way?

Or do I have to modify all the html templates and add some
css info to them? Can I instead configure something in one
of the files or maybe the HTMLFormatter ?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Thanks for the info.

- Original Message Follows -
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Let me add to what Jon Carnes said about this.
> 
> 1.  You are right, just change the moderation bit for the
> users who want  to post.

Ok, that makes sense... is there a way to programatically
turn off the moderation bit for a particular user? 

What I'm trying to do is create some scripts that will
automatically create an announcement-only list, but
providing some configuration inputs after list creation. But
I don't know if it's possible to do configuration for a
particular user that way.

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[Mailman-Users] new_member_options values?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

What is the breakdown of the value for new_member_options ?
It is by default 256, but what does that mean?

If I wanted to set the moderated bit on for new members,
what value should I use?

Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Ok, thanks.

But if the Approved line is a header, will mailman strip it
out so others don't see it?

Will either method work? Is there a configuration option
that needs to be set?

Can you provide a link to the Howto?

Thanks
Ricardo

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> 
> That is in the thread I started (announce-only list Howto)
> But here it is case you missed it:
>  From john DeCarlo:
> 
> (..) Approved header is:  Approved:  So you need
> to set up  passwords for the moderators and/or the list.
> And whether you can add the line as a header or whether
> you have to make  it the first line of text in your
> message is dependent on the email  client (MUA) that you
> are using.
> 
> 
> 
> Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> 
> >Thanks for the info.
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Being a moderator just means that you can approve posts
> >>that are held for the list.  It doesn't mean *your*
> posts >>won't be held.
> >>
> >>This is a good feature, especially if you have savvy
> (but >>childish) users.  Anyone can forge an email header
> and say >>their mail is from you, but only *you* know the
> password >>to moderate the list.  So you can stop those
> rascals at >>their evil game!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >So what is the correct way to setup a moderated or
> >announcement-only type list, in which the moderator can
> post >without having to manually approve the posts? What
> is the >proper way of posting to the list?
> >
> >Ricardo
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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post?

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Thanks for the info.

> 
> Being a moderator just means that you can approve posts
> that are held for the list.  It doesn't mean *your* posts
> won't be held.
> 
> This is a good feature, especially if you have savvy (but
> childish) users.  Anyone can forge an email header and say
> their mail is from you, but only *you* know the password
> to moderate the list.  So you can stop those rascals at
> their evil game!
> 

So what is the correct way to setup a moderated or
announcement-only type list, in which the moderator can post
without having to manually approve the posts? What is the
proper way of posting to the list?

Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] moderator not allowed to post?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I configured an "announcement-only" list according to the
instructions in the FAQ,
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

And I setup my email address as moderator for that list.

However, I still get messages rejected, I assume because I
did not clear the mod bit in the Membership Management
section.

Shouldn't the fact that my email address is listed as
moderator, override the mod bit for posting?

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[Mailman-Users] restricting web access to lists

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I'm running mailman under apache 1.3

I'd like to be able to restrict access to /admin.cgi and
/listinfo.cgi, because I don't want everyone to see all the
available lists, while still allowing /admin.cgi/listname
and /listinfo.cgi/listname.

I'm not quite sure that is possible, but can anyone think of
a way? Can mailman be configured so as to hide the lists,
and only allow direct access to specific lists?

Thanks
Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] mailman over nfs?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Can mailman be run over nfs, with 2 servers sharing a
mailman installation?

I know there are some issues related to this... for example,
incoming messages really have to be processed by the
individual server, we don't want 2 servers working on the
same message set.

However, for lists, their definitions, the archives, digests
and such, everything needs to be shared.

Has anyone configured mailman to run in this type of
environment?

Thanks
Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] managing multiple lists?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

If an administrator has multiple lists, is there a web
interface where the many lists can be managed, from a
central location?



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[Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Is this setting used for determining which outbound smtp
host to contact, or for the mailhost displayed for replies,
or both?

I want to be able to set the smtp host for sending email to
"localhost", yet I don't want that setting to be exposed, or
be appended to the list address.

For example, I want my list to be a virtual address,
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"localhost" for its own smtp server.

Are there separate settings for that?

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Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] Please help...

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I posted a question earlier today about how to
convert/import existing mailing lists into mailman... and
also about using courier mta... can someone help me out?



I use the courier mta and was wondering if there are any
existing scripts to adapt to mailman to work with courier?

Can I create new lists off the web interface and have it
automatically work with courier?

Also, how do I "port" users from other lists into mailman? I
have a number of existing mailing lists that I wanted to
move over to mailman. Can I simply import a file containing
member addresses?

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Ricardo


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[Mailman-Users] newbie help

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi all,

I use the courier mta and was wondering if there are any
existing scripts to adapt to mailman to work with courier?

Can I create new lists off the web interface and have it
automatically work with courier?

Also, how do I "port" users from other lists into mailman? I
have a number of existing mailing lists that I wanted to
move over to mailman. Can I simply import a file containing
member addresses?

Thanks
Ricardo

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[Mailman-Users] mailman with courier mta?

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

Does anyone have instructions on how to integrate mailman
with courier mta?

Thanks
Ricardo

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