Re: [Mailman-Users] incorrect spam labelling
When a subject is not relevant to the body of the message or missing, the moderator will re-post with a corrected subject. At the top of that re-post, he includes the reason. That reminds other members to pay attention to the subject field when posting. Terry Earley On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 10:16 AM edi...@visionscience.com < edi...@visionscience.com> wrote: > Not sure if this is a mailman issue, but… > > Occasionally as moderator I see messages in which "***SPAM*** “ has been > prepended to the subject line. > The messages are not spam. > I do not want to send them out to the list like that but cannot edit the > subject line. > Is there anything I can do? > > -Andrew > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terry%40fiteyes.com > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Comcast on Android phones
We had a Comcast email user report that when he replies to posts using his Android smartphone, the reply (direct and "reply all") goes directly to the original, individual poster and not to the mailman group email address. I then confirmed this behavior using my own Android phone using the comcast email app, "Xfinity Connect". When replying with an iPhone using Xfinity Connect, however, the reply went to the group email address as it should. For replies with an Android phone using a gmail account, the messages is directed to the group email address. It seems to be a Comcast/Xfinity on Android issue. Anyone else see the same? We are using Mailman 2.1.14 and have "Full Personalization" set. Terry Earley, FitEyes -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Get newer version of Mailman for Debian 6?
Barry, It took me a while to determine what to do, but after I had built and tested the package, I had no problems building packages for subsequent Mailman releases. IIRC, the last Mailman for which I built a package was 2.1.14. I do not know if any changes since then would require changes to the package-build process. I have details on what I did, if anyone is interested. Our Ubuntu server will need to take an upgrade from 2.1.14 to 2.1.18-1, so your instructions on building Debian packages will be very helpful to us at least. Thanks in advance. Terry Earley 801 810-4175 Donate to FitEyes http://www.fiteyes.com/community/donate-to-fiteyes On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Barry S. Finkel bsfin...@att.net wrote: On 5/14/2014 2:40 PM, Sascha Rissel wrote: Hello there, I am running a vServer on Debian6. Via apt-get install mailman I installed and set up Mailman 2.1.13, which is running fine with 5 mailing lists on my server. Motivated by all those discussions about Yahoo's DMARC on this list, I wondered whether I can upgrade my Mailman installation to a newer version. I tried apt-get update and apt-get upgrade but I did not receive a newer version of Mailman. Unfortunately I don't consider myself as good enough in Linux usage, to be able to build Mailman binaries from scratch on my own. Indeed I tried, but already upon executing configure (Step 3 in Mailman's installation guidehttp://list.org/mailman-install/node7.html) I got a python warning Distutils is not available or is incomplete which seems to tell me I should install another Python environment. So I came to the point when I decided that compiling Mailman on my own is too complicated for me, because in the end I definitely want a bug-free installation of Mailman. Is there maybe an easier way to get a more recent version of Mailman for my server? In advance, thanks for your help! Sascha. When I was running a Mailman server on an Ubuntu box, I was forced to install via a package. But I did some research on the Debian/Ubuntu package to see what was in it. There were many patches that were undocumented, and there was one patch that deleted a library that, in some cases, is required. So, I decided to build my own package from the SourceForge source. That way, I would know EXACTLY what the source was, and I could get support from this discussion list. It took me a while to determine what to do, but after I had built and tested the package, I had no problems building packages for subsequent Mailman releases. IIRC, the last Mailman for which I built a package was 2.1.14. I do not know if any changes since then would require changes to the package-build process. I have details on what I did, if anyone is interested. --Barry Finkel -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/ mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] DMARC: Testing anonymous_list as an option
I have been reading these posts and your documentationhttp://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARCwith interest, and since in our list, we moderate every post, we did not have too much concern about having moderators re-post yahoo messages. Then the news that AOL is joining the DMARC party got me worrying that soon the big players, gmail, hotmail, etc may also decide to implement DMARC for messages coming from their users. To prepare for that possibility, I have been testing one of the solutions, anonymous_list. In my test environment, it passes a yahoo post to my gmail account without a problem since from is our list's address, so it matches. The problem is identifying the poster in some way in the message body. I added a msg_header with user_address and text, but that returns the recipient's email address, not the sender's. The moderators see the sender's email address, but it is not passed to the recipient by design, I know. That is what anonymous is for. Currently, moderators cannot directly edit pending posts. My question then is what variable would return the sender's address in the msg_header? If there is no variable, then how could we do that? Some of our posters carry more credibility than others. We are on version 2.1.13, with full personalization set, and using SPF and DKIM. anonymous_list currently set to no in our production environment. Terry Earley FitEyes -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and From header munging
Lindsey, I have been following this thread with interest, and relieved that for our list, all posts are moderated. We have determined to repost all messages coming from Yahoo with our moderator's account. To your question if VERP might be a partial answer, we are using VERP and Full personalization so the posters email address is passed through. we are still getting the DMARC error. Here is what came back to my gmail address as a result of a Yahoo post (which I did not receive): Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 Unauthenticated email from yahoo.com is not accepted due to domain's 550-5.7.1 DMARC policy. Please contact administrator of yahoo.com domain if 550-5.7.1 this was a legitimate mail. Please visit 550-5.7.1 http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690to learn about DMARC 550 5.7.1 initiative. x7si9647998qaj.232 - gsmtp Terry Earley 801 810-4175 Donate to FitEyes http://www.fiteyes.com/community/donate-to-fiteyes On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Lindsay Haisley fmo...@fmp.com wrote: It occurred to me that one possible variation on From: header munging which wouldn't break any applications depending on this being an actual, working address for a post's author, while still passing DMARC authentication, would be for Mailman to change the From: address to a VERP-like address with the author's address encapsulated within an address @ the list server. Any mail received by the list server for this address would have its address parsed by Mailman and be redirected to the original author's real email address. Would this pass RFC compliance? -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Earthlink Feedback Loop
We want to do all we can to protect our web reputation. We joined all the feedback loop services we could find. in addition to AOL, hotmail/msn and Yahoo, I found a list here and applied to others: http://www.emaillusions.com/2011/02/white-listing-and-isp-feedback-loops.html I applied to Earthlink as directed, and when they did not respond, I sent a 2nd request, and got this reply: Your request has been denied. It is EarthLink policy to only add ISPs and MSPs to our FBL service. Earthlink Network Abuse Team That seems a little closed-minded. Why would they not want a mailman list to be notified? Has anyone had any experience dealing with Earthlink on this level? Terry FiEyes -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalisation: how long does it take?
Our own experience sending to 2100 users is that without personalization a message went out in 2 seconds. When we applied personalization and VERP, that test message went out in 120 seconds, which was acceptable to us. Obviously, there are many factors affecting speed of delivery. Personalization is just one. What you did was best. that is to test with your own environment. Terry Earley FitEyes On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Hodgson and...@hodgsonfamily.orgwrote: Hi, Just wondering how long in the real world it takes to get all messages from a personalised list sent out and processed by the MTA on the same machine as Mailman? List is around 750 members. I did run this once and it took over 10 minutes to get all the messages delivered through the MTA, I am partially wondering whether that is because I am DKIM signing each message? If I use standard delivery the processing time is a lot shorter (around a minute). Just wondering, Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalisation: how long does it take?
I should also mention that this test was with DKIM signing and the number of members was between 2100 and 2200. Terry On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Terry Earley te...@fiteyes.com wrote: Our own experience sending to 2100 users is that without personalization a message went out in 2 seconds. When we applied personalization and VERP, that test message went out in 120 seconds, which was acceptable to us. Obviously, there are many factors affecting speed of delivery. Personalization is just one. What you did was best. that is to test with your own environment. Terry Earley FitEyes On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Hodgson and...@hodgsonfamily.orgwrote: Hi, Just wondering how long in the real world it takes to get all messages from a personalised list sent out and processed by the MTA on the same machine as Mailman? List is around 750 members. I did run this once and it took over 10 minutes to get all the messages delivered through the MTA, I am partially wondering whether that is because I am DKIM signing each message? If I use standard delivery the processing time is a lot shorter (around a minute). Just wondering, Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalisation: how long does it take?
We are using postfix on the same server as our MTA. Terry On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Andrew Hodgson and...@hodgsonfamily.orgwrote: Terry Earley wrote: I should also mention that this test was with DKIM signing and the number of members was between 2100 and 2200. Thanks, something is wrong with the setup or the VPS I use is not running efficiently. What MTA are you using? I am on Exim4. Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop andabuse complaints
Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, Yahoo, etc)? Now that AOL also redacts return path, VERPing alone will not help much for them. Return-Path: redacted-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com Full Personalization could give you more to trace, since each post is send individually. Terry Earley FitEyes On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Tanstaafl wrote: Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, Yahoo, etc)? It would be a somewhat messy hack to Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py to do it in Mailman. Depending on your MTA, you might be able to do it there if you have the MTA do the VERPing. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558067 for Postfix and https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558002 for qmail. Note that these only address enabling VERPing in the MTA, not limiting the domains to which it applies. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop and abuse complaints
I can usually figure out who did it my some sleuthing through the mail server logs. I would be very interested to know how you track these down from the logs. Have you or anyone used VERP so AOL cannot mung that email address? Terry On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.comwrote: On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: On 6/15/12 8:51 PM, David wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote: * Thomas Hochstein mailman-us...@ml.th-h.de: Ralf Hildebrandt schrieb: Yahoo! users are truly special. AOL users are, too. (They also have a feedback loop.) Yeah, and it's even worse, since it tries to weed out all info one needs to identify the user :( Is there any method to identify the user from the AOL feedback loop? If not, how does AOL expect us to unsubscribe the user who complained? They DON'T expect you to unsubscribe the user who marked you as spam, but to stop the spammer who is sending out the email marked as spam. The whole system is based on the premise that the recipient (their customer) is totally innocent, and the send (your list) is the guilty party. They are telling you, as an ISP, to stop your customer (your list) from sending SPAM. They are totally missing that their customer at a previous point ASKED for the email (at least I am presuming you haven't bypassed the safeguards built into Mailman to avoid abuse) and now has used the Mark as spam button as a attempt to unsubscribe because they can't (or won't) figure out the proper way to do it. Sad to say, that does appear to be how AOL thinks. Their customers never make mistakes, etc. If a customer clicked Mark as spam, then it's spam and that point is not open to discussion. It's been a long while since I've received an AOL spam report but despite their redacting, I can usually figure out who did it my some sleuthing through the mail server logs. My policy for AOL users is straightforward and ruthless: do it once and you get banned from my lists and my server. I banned my cousin once (and in typical AOLuser fashion, denied clicking the button - and he used to work for AOL!). -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/terry%40fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] AOL redacts user addresses even with VERP and full personalization enabled
We are getting pretty frustrated with AOL. Their feedback report redacts addresses, so we enabled VERP and full personalization so the envelope can send us the actual address. No good: Return-Path: all-bounces+redacted=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com To: redac...@aol.com Errors-To: all-bounces+redacted=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com Sender: all-bounces+redacted=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com Terry fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loop and abuse complaints
Maybe VERP is the best solution for AOL and her evil step-sisters if you can stand the overhead? Terry Earley On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM, David d...@fiteyes.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:04 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt ralf.hildebra...@charite.de wrote: * Thomas Hochstein mailman-us...@ml.th-h.de: Ralf Hildebrandt schrieb: Yahoo! users are truly special. AOL users are, too. (They also have a feedback loop.) Yeah, and it's even worse, since it tries to weed out all info one needs to identify the user :( Is there any method to identify the user from the AOL feedback loop? If not, how does AOL expect us to unsubscribe the user who complained? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Clearing Bounce Scores Globally
We need to clear/reset bounce stats for Yahoo members on our list. we modified Mark Sapiro's script at: http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py to modify only Yahoo email addresses, but it cleared only 2 that had been bouncing. That squares with the comment at top: Enable delivery for all bouncing members. is there a way to make it clear bounce stats for all (in this case Yahoo) to avoid these members from going over threshold? If not, we could run the script after we get the admin notice that they are set to nomail for bounces. -- Terry Earley te...@fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] messages disappear after moderator approves
We are having posts, when approved by moderator, not delivered. /var/lib/mailman/logs/post doesn't show the missing message. /var/lib/mailman/logs/error doesn't show any errors. Maximum length in kilobytes (KB) of a message body is set to zero (no limit). Messages are not bounced and no members see the post. -- Terry Earley te...@fiteyes.com 801 706-7470 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
