[Mailman-Users] Missing emails

[tom]

I have a list using 2.1.39 in Cpanel.  When I send a message through the list 
subscribers at Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, Q.com, and CenturyLink do not receive the 
message.  It does not bounce or go into spam or any folder.  They just seem to 
disappear.  Other email providers seem to be getting the messages.  Any ideas 
on how to fix this?
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[Mailman-Users] Fwd: Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 10:49, Christian Buser via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:

> Hello Tom Corcoran. On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 10:22:45 +, you wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Christian! I set up the forwarders and deleted the mailing
> > lists! So much unnecessary pain over the years!
>
> Ah - you had a mailinglist with the same name as the mail address to be
> forwarded. Possible that this does not work.
>

No, I never had the clash, I just added the forwarders this morning. The
pain I had over the years was the mailing lists archiving and consequently
me running out of my allotted space. All good now, I think, thanks!
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 22:36, Brian Carpenter 
wrote:

>
> You are correct. A forwarder does not need a corresponding email
> account. To see what happened to your test email, try using the Track
> Delivery tool within the Email section of cPanel.
>

Thanks, Brian, I never knew about hat tool, that will come in handy.
The emails turned up in my box overnight with the same arrival time as sent
time even though they did not show for at least up to an hour initially
when I was refreshing webmail.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Hi Tel2

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 21:04,  wrote:

>
> I have a cPanel account with webhostingbuzz.com and I have 2 forwarders
> set up so that anything sent to b...@mydomain.com goes to m...@mydomain.com
> and myw...@mydomain.com.
> What's stopping you from doing that?
>

Fantastic, great to hear, thanks. In forwarders I added an non existant
email t...@mydomain.com forwarding to my regaular email address. And a
seperate forwarder from t...@mydomain.com to my wife's. An hour later I
have not got this email. I don't think the "address to forward" has to be
setup as an email address separately - I already have a bunch of aliases of
my own address setup. That said I'm unsure why I have not got the email
sent to test

Tom.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 04:47, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 11/9/20 9:22 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > Would mailman consider adding a bypass option so it simply forwards the
> > emails to the 2 email addresses on the mailing list?
>
> As I indicate in my prior replies, just set
>
> Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest = No
> Digest options -> digestable = No
> Archiving Options -> archive = No
>
> and nothing will be stored in the archive.
>

This sounds great, thanks.

The digest option is the one I had not set. Going into Non-digest the first
option "Can subscribers choose to receive mail immediately, rather than in
batched digests" is turned on by default but I have the lower scrub option
set to No.

If my isp will clear them one last time that should be the end of it then.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 at 04:40, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 11/9/20 9:22 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > I am unsure how setting Digest options -> digestible to No would help?
> > There are no digests sent anyway, my wife has no reason to go into the
> > options, etc.
>
>
> It helps because if the list is digestable, the plain text digest is
> created and non-plain text attachments are scrubbed and stored in the
> archive even if there are no digest recipients. The way to avoid this
> scrubbing and storing aside of attachments from the digest is to set
> Digest options -> digestible to No. If the list is not digestable,
> digests won't be created.
>

Makes sense, mine was set to True though I never used digests.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks for telling me about mailmanhost.com brian, My mailing lists are
used for my wife and me so we can get emails from the school and kids
activities with a single parents@ address, very low volume. Similar for
utility bills@ address. So such a solution is overkill.

I see my original picture showing my settings was excluded, here it is:
https://snipboard.io/hxpWac.jpg

Mark, the kids clubs and utility billing companies mostly send HTML emails
and.or pdf newsletters.

I am unsure how setting Digest options -> digestible to No would help?
There are no digests sent anyway, my wife has no reason to go into the
options, etc.

It's surprising to me that mailman has not considered this simple use-case
and as a result, it's over-engineered for this use case. Most people think
it should not accumulate emails with all these options set and the solution
is to ask one's isp to clear out space every so often. For there to be no
option that 100% stops accumulation at this stage of the products life is a
little bizarre and silly imho.

Would mailman consider adding a bypass option so it simply forwards the
emails to the 2 email addresses on the mailing list?

Maybe there is a CPanel option to do this other than mailing lists, I have
not found it. Forwarders do not alow 1 address to be forwarded to 2 as far
as I can see.

As always, thanks for yer paitence.

Tom.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Cheers,

Tom.


On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 19:19, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 11/6/20 5:09 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > Currently, the lists are setup as follows:
> > [image: image.png]
> > Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigestis set to No.
>
>
> You need to set Archiving Options -> archive to No.
>

Thanks, all are set to no.
This shows it set: https://snipboard.io/ahFKH1.jpg
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[Mailman-Users] cPanel mailing list accumulating space

[Tom Corcoran]

Hi all,

I have 3 mailing lists sent up for myself and my wife, so we both get
emails for 1 address. I have limited room on my server space and I want all
emails to pass through and none to be
archived.

[image: image.png]

I have got help on this list before for this issue,
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg72230.html
_but_ the lists are still archiving, see picture above, This might not
sound like much but I only have about 30MB to play with my allotment so
it's *very *tight.

I can ask my isp to delete and have done ion the past but I want to set it
up so it's 100% pass through.

Currently, the lists are setup as follows:
[image: image.png]
Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigestis set to No.

I have tried the cpanel forum before with no help given.

How are things getting stored?

Any help much appreciated.

Tom.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Trouble migrating

[Tom Coradeschi]

David: Your qrunner exceptions sound surprisingly like a problem I had earlier 
this week with a new install of 2.1.30.

In Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py

change line 60 
from: while i>0 and (L[i-1][0] in lowercase or
to: while i>0 and (L[i-1][0] in lowercase[:26] or

Restart mailman and see how things go from there.

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tc...@skylands.ibmwr.org


> On 26 Apr 2020, at 12:05 PM, Lothar Schilling  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> today I tried to migrate our whole mailman installation to another server.
> 
> Old server: Centos 6.10, Mailman 2.1.29, Python 2.6.6
> 
> New server: Centos 7.7, Mailman 2.1.30 (from the tgz file), Python 2.7.5
> 
> It seemed to be an easy transition. But then I started to realize I've run 
> into problems. For example, I can't release a moderated message. Also, I 
> cannot switch users from moderated to not moderated or hidden to unhidden. 
> The error logs look like this:
> 
> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 1] Operation 
> not permitted
> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Traceback (most recent call last):
> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) SHUNTING: 
> 1587915493.168592+122b90464edb8dfe2a33eb4e84fd036f0943019c
> Apr 26 17:38:16 2020 (11727) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: 
> /var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587915493.168592+bfc8cbc934795ac0c0d663ac31c3ea3df13e9b59.bak
> Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No such 
> file or directory: 
> '/var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587916338.266272+f1e11334def7f62140a3442c10bd6b56268d9010.pck'
> Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Traceback (most recent call last):
> Apr 26 17:52:18 2020 (11727) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 
> 1587916338.266272+f1e11334def7f62140a3442c10bd6b56268d9010
> Apr 26 17:52:19 2020 (11726) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: 
> /var/spool/mailman/out/1587916338.266272+5c0165dec7b0fdd4e3851688a77b8e31a99b015d.bak
> Apr 26 17:52:20 2020 (11727) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: 
> /var/spool/mailman/virgin/1587916338.285911+c4b5275fd082841b395994955b37f5f85569bba9.bak
> 
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", 
> line 278, in 
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  main()
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", 
> line 238, in main
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  qrunner.run()
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  self._cleanup()
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  self._register_bounces()
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 126, in 
> _register_bounces
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  mlist.Save()
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 578, in Save
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  self.__save(dict)
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 555, in __save
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694):  os.link(fname, fname_last)
> Apr 26 17:53:13 2020 qrunner(11694): OSError :  [Errno 1] Operation not 
> permitted
> 
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): Traceback (most recent call last):
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", 
> line 278, in 
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):  main()
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", 
> line 238, in main
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):  qrunner.run()
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):  self._cleanup()
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722): BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):   File 
> "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):  self._register_bounces()
> Apr 26 17:53:16 2020 qrunner(11722):   File 
> 

Re: [Mailman-Users] auto approving Message has implicit destination

[Tom Corcoran]

On 17/01/2020 17:36, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 1/17/20 1:34 AM, tom.corco...@moonbade.com wrote:

In the same mailing list I am regularly having to constantly approve
emails from the same address with message: Reason:  Message has implicit
destination. Is there a setting I can make on the mailing list admin
that means the email comes straight through without the need to do this
approval?


Set Privacy options... -> Recipient filters ->
require_explicit_destination to No

Worked great, thank you :-)
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[Mailman-Users] auto approving Message has implicit destination

[tom . corcoran]

Previously you helped me with auto discarding on my mailing list for 
myself and my wife: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg72213.html


In the same mailing list I am regularly having to constantly approve 
emails from the same address with message: Reason:  Message has implicit 
destination. Is there a setting I can make on the mailing list admin 
that means the email comes straight through without the need to do this 
approval?



Cheers,

Tom.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Yes, I get the auto discard message with the pdf attached.

Thank you! via http://listhelper.nongnu.org/mailmanconf.html I found where
generic_nonmember_action was and discovered that the email address was in
the List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
discarded. Crikey. my bad, I must have clicked wrongly one time!

Thanks for your patience Mark! :-)

Tom.


On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 15:01, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/17/19 2:38 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> > All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
> > double-checked and no rules in there
>
> How do you know when a message is discarded? Do you get a message from
> Mailman with Subject: Auto-discard notification with the message attached.
>
> If so, the post is from a nonmember and either the nonmember address or
> a regexp pattern matching the address is in discard_these_nonmembers or
> generic_nonmember_action is Discard.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
double-checked and no rules in there

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 18:01, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On October 16, 2019 9:16:14 AM PDT, Tom Corcoran 
> wrote:
> >thanks, Mark,
> >
> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> >   boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: message/rfc822
> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >   boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
> >Content-Type: text/plain;
> >   charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: text/html;
> >   charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: application/pdf;
>
>
> Ok. It's not content filtering doing the discarding.
>
> What's in Privacy options -> Spam filters?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

thanks, Mark,

Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: application/pdf;


Phew!


Tom.


On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 15:43, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/16/19 1:30 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> > Thanks, Mark.
> >
> > Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but
> an
> > email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
> >
> > My pass_mime_types is now:
> >
> > multipart
> > message/rfc822
> > application/pgp-signature
> > text/plain
> > text/html
> > application/pdf
>
>
> That looks good.
>
>
> > Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:
> >
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="
> >
> > Do I need to add
> > multipart/mixed
> > to pass_mime_types or something?
>
> No. "multipart" includes all sub-types of multipart. With the settings
> you have, it is unlikely that content filtering removed all of the
> message. What are the Content-Types of all of the subparts?. If you can
> post all the Content-Type headers and boundaries, we can be sure. A
> simple example of what I mean is:
>
>
>
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w"
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w--
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Mark.

Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but an
email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(

My pass_mime_types is now:

multipart
message/rfc822
application/pgp-signature
text/plain
text/html
application/pdf

Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="

Do I need to add
multipart/mixed
to pass_mime_types or something?

Thanks!

Tom.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 19:20, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/14/19 3:27 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.
>
>
> In order to solve this issue, you need to understand why the messages
> are being discarded. The FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050> lists
> the various list settings that can cause this. I will try to translate:
>
> MimeDel: Does your list have Content filtering -> filter_content set to
> Yes. If so, and pass_mime_types is non-empty and does not contain at least
>   multipart
>   text/plain
>   text/html
>   application/pdf
> Content filtering may be removing the entire message. Simplest solution
> is to set filter_content Off.
>
> Moderate: probably not the issue in your case.
>
> Scrubber: If your list's Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest setting
> is Yes, this is a possibility but not likely. You can set it to No.
>
> SpamDetect: If your list's Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> dmarc_moderation_action is set to Discard, set it to Munge From. The
> other things under SpamDetect are not likely, but you can check if your
> list has anything in Privacy options... -> Spam filters ->
> header_filter_rules with a Discard action.
>
> The above are all settings in Mailman's list admin UI.
>
>
> > I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
> > newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.
>
>
> I don't know what "whitelisted in cpanel" means. It may mean the address
> is added to Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> accept_these_nonmembers, but if so, that is not relevant.
>
> I hope this helps.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

 Wow! Thanks, Steve!

My mention of pdf here, crossed over with my other post and confused,
sorry.

With content_filtering turned on now hopefully no more attachments
accumulate.,

collapse_alternatives
convert_html_to_plaintext

defaulted to Yes, so I turned them off.

Done and tested :-)


Cheers,

Tom.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 14:28, Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Tom Corcoran writes:
>
>  > All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
>  > archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
>  > messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
>  > accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
>  > sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.
>
> I would then add
>
> text/html
> application/pdf
>
> to pass_these_mime_types in the Content Filtering page.  The first
> allows HTML-only mail to come in, and since this is really personal
> mail I don't see a good reason to disallow HTML.  The second prevents
> the PDF from being discarded.  If you strongly *prefer* plain text to
> HTML-formatted email, you could set both of
>
> collapse_alternatives
> convert_html_to_plaintext
>
> to Yes in the same page.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Brian & Steve!

I feel some context would be useful. I solely use mailing lists so both
myself and my wife can get emails from schools, sports clubs, bills, etc.

All emails that come in I want to forward to our 2 addresses with no
archive so as far, as I am concerned ongoing admin having to accept
messages from new addresses, is overkill and I would avoid doing it and
accept all messages if that was possible. Also, sometimes some of the
sports clubs for my kids attach a pdf.

I have only edited the bare minimum of the mailman settings.

1. I looked at "Scrub attachments of the regular delivery message?
(Details for scrub_nondigest)" which opens in a new window it's set to no
already!2. In content filtering, I turned it on and changed nothing else.

Hopefully, #2 means that attachments will now not be archived and I can
achieve my goal of zero build-up of any storage with messages passing
through?

I guess I'll have to wait and see if anything accumulates!

Thanks a million, Tom.

[for some reason this post of 7+ days ago, never appeared on the list, I
may have used the wrong from email]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

I have a mailing list setup so myself and my wife get emails re our kids,
from school, sports clubs, etc. We want everything to come through so I
wish there was an option for that!

As reported in this thread I have no auto discard set, with "Discard held
messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic
discarding." set to 0. I was told here that the later only affects messages
which are held for moderation and still waiting moderator action after
max_days_to_hold days.

The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.

I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.

Please, can someone advise me?

Cheers,

Tom.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 16:35, Tom Corcoran  wrote:

> Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as
> anything due shows on the first page always.
>
> btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I
> guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not
> have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to
> be moderated.
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> >
>> > For a list of possible reasons for this, see
>> > <https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2016-July/081004.html
>> >.
>>
>>
>> This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
>> <https://wiki.list.org/x/17892050>.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks Brian!

That's great to have that confirmed :-)

*But*, the mystery for me is if archives are turned off how are the
attachments saved. Is there another setting? If not, surely one should be
added so this unnecessary support request is not needed?

I may have done my isp a disservice. I had a separate request (no resolved)
re mailman auto discarding and I think that was the one the were pointing
me elsewhere for.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 18:09, Brian Carpenter  wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I have provided Mailman hosting via cPanel for many years now. I
> apologize for not responding earlier to your request. I know exactly
> what is taking up that space: attachments. Mailman takes message
> attachments and stores them in an attachment directory that is part of
> the Mailman file structure. This directory cannot be access via a normal
> cPanel user. It requires root access. We have clients who from time to
> time ask us to reduce their disk usage by clearing out their attachment
> directory which we are happy to do.
>
> Personally I would like invite you to check us out at https://emwd.com
> as I think your host did you wrong when they said they would not support
> a 3rd party. If they are a cPanel host then Mailman is part of cPanel
> and therefore should be supported.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

 I came to this group as my isp said they would not support a 3rd party.

I'm confused, Mark. I printed out the link you sent me but I was
dumbfounded when I read through it now that there was nothing about
clearing out the 50MB and an unhelpful page more or less telling people to
leave the group alone :-(

Would someone on this group willing to try and help me retrieve my precious
50MB?

Thanks!

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 19:30, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/1/19 8:17 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.
> >
> > How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I
> recover
> > the 50+MB?
>
> See the FAQ at <https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20CPanel>.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as
anything due shows on the first page always.

btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I
guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not
have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to
be moderated.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> >
> > For a list of possible reasons for this, see
> > .
>
>
> This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
> .
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[Mailman-Users] No archive files but 2 lists taking up 50MB in cPanel?

[Tom Corcoran]

I have 3 lists, going to mailing list administration and clicking on Go to
list archives gives Private archive file not found for all.

But in cPanel mailing lists it says:

list 1 usage 14.98 MB
list 2 usage: 37.72 MB

list 3 has usage in KB, which is what I expect. All are I believe setup
identically

I don't have command line access to my cPanel - just FileManager.

How do I find out what these 50+MB are being used for and how do  I recover
the 50+MB?

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[Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Apologies if this is a FAQ but I could not find the info.

I have some mailing lists setup on cpanel. One address I have added to my
whitelist in spamassain. I also have no auto discard set, with "Discard
held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic
discarding." set to 0.

However, emails from this address come in as auto discarded.

I'd like to prevent that in the future and have the email delivered as
normal.

Is there an additional setting I need to configure?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Tom Browder]

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:07 Rich Kulawiec  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 05:27:01PM +0000, Tom Browder wrote:
> > I would love to see a new book on MM3.  Anyone know of such a project
> > proposed or in the works?
>
> I've been working on a book about mailing list management and usage --
> including MTAs, MLMs (such as Mailman), processes, best practices, etc.
> The MM material to this point has been MM2-centric, but I've been running
> various instances of MM3 and accumulating experience with it.


Good deal, Rich, that book is sorely needed IMHO! Is there any place we can
sign up to get a copy or see its status?

Best regards,

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[Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Tom Browder]

I would love to see a new book on MM3.  Anyone know of such a project
proposed or in the works?

FWIW, the new Perl 6 world (see https://perl6.org) has produced several
books in the last year and some were started via various “fund me” websites.

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[Mailman-Users] MM3 and analytics

[Tom Browder]

Are there any hooks or plugins or known solutions to gathering MM3
analytics similar to, say, Dada Mail?

Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] MM 3 Docker install question ref Apache use

[Tom Browder]

Is the apache requirement a reverse proxy?

A link to a working solution for apache would be very helpful for us
non-expert apache users. In the meantime I will look for one.

I look foward to using the docker solution. Thanks so much to all the MM3
dev team!

Best regards,

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[Mailman-Users] mailman won't send messages

[Tom Robinson]

CentOS 7.3.1611
mailman-2.1.15-21.el7_1.x86_64 (RPM)
postfix-2.10.1-6.el7.x86_64

Hi,

I configured mailman last year and have had several lists working. It seems 
something has changed
and now we can't send messages via the lists any more.

Following the
https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.78%20Troubleshooting-%20No%20mail%20going%20out%20to%20lists%20members
guide didn't help.

# check_perms
No problems found

# ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep
mailman  10512  0.0  0.1 231612 10548 ?Ss   15:40   0:00 /usr/bin/python
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start

Aliases are defined in /etc/mailmain/aliases which is quite large as we have a 
lot of lists.

# wc -l /etc/mailman/aliases
246 /etc/mailman/aliases
grep mailman /etc/mailman/aliases | wc -l
173

And in postfix I have this for aliases:

main.cf:alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases

Typically the Aliases look like this:

mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
# STANZA START: mailman
mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
mailman-admin:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
mailman-join:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
mailman-leave:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
mailman-owner:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
# STANZA END: mailman

SMTP is up and running. This is a working mailserver delvering email 24/7.
# netstat -na |grep ":25 "

tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:25  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
tcp6   0  0 :::25   :::*LISTEN
tcp6   0  0 ::1:25  ::1:36704   TIME_WAIT 
# telnet localhost 25
Trying ::1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 camber.motec.com.au ESMTP Postfix
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed by foreign host.

This maybe something but I don't know:

# ls -l ~mailman/locks
ls: cannot access /usr/lib/mailman/locks: No such file or directory

But actually I think the locks are in /var/lock ...

# ls -l /var/lock/mailman/
total 8
-rw-rw-r--. 2 mailman mailman 58 May 24  2017 master-qrunner
-rw-rw-r--. 2 mailman mailman 58 May 24  2017 
master-qrunner.camber.motec.com.au.10512

# ps aux | grep 10512 | grep -v grep
mailman  10512  0.0  0.1 231612 10548 ?Ss   15:40   0:00 /usr/bin/python
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start

Any clues for solving this are much appreciated.

Kind regards,

Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman won't send messages

[Tom Robinson]

Hi Again,

Here's some log output when sending to the 'announce' list:

==> /var/log/maillog <==
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/smtpd[15660]: connect from localhost[127.0.0.1]
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/smtpd[15660]: 59F4816819A: 
client=localhost[127.0.0.1]
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/cleanup[15930]: 59F4816819A:
message-id=<1fd4a284-1e4d-064e-1e2d-1b35d4e94...@motec.com.au>
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/qmgr[11201]: 59F4816819A: 
from=,
size=1855, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
May 23 16:42:35 camber amavis[16194]: (16194-01) Passed CLEAN 
{RelayedInternal}, MYNETS LOCAL
[192.168.0.74]:47558  -> , 
Queue-ID: 7AFB816BE5F,
Message-ID: <1fd4a284-1e4d-064e-1e2d-1b35d4e94...@motec.com.au>, mail_id: 
LvD-tlWBSEBe, Hits: -3,
size: 1259, queued_as: 59F4816819A, dkim_sd=mail.motec.com.au:motec.com.au, 834 
ms
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/lmtp[15931]: 7AFB816BE5F: 
to=,
relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.97, delays=0.12/0/0.01/0.83, 
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250
2.0.0 from MTA(smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as 59F4816819A)
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/qmgr[11201]: 7AFB816BE5F: removed
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/local[16191]: 59F4816819A: 
to=, relay=local,
delay=0.22, delays=0.05/0/0/0.17, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command:
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post announce)
May 23 16:42:35 camber postfix/qmgr[11201]: 59F4816819A: removed

==> /var/log/mailman/vette <==
May 23 16:42:35 2017 (10516) Message discarded, msgid:
<1fd4a284-1e4d-064e-1e2d-1b35d4e94...@motec.com.au>

Kind regards,
Tom

On 23/05/17 16:35, Tom Robinson wrote:
> CentOS 7.3.1611
> mailman-2.1.15-21.el7_1.x86_64 (RPM)
> postfix-2.10.1-6.el7.x86_64
>
> Hi,
>
> I configured mailman last year and have had several lists working. It seems 
> something has changed
> and now we can't send messages via the lists any more.
>
> Following the
> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.78%20Troubleshooting-%20No%20mail%20going%20out%20to%20lists%20members
> guide didn't help.
>
> # check_perms
> No problems found
>
> # ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep
> mailman  10512  0.0  0.1 231612 10548 ?Ss   15:40   0:00 
> /usr/bin/python
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
>
> Aliases are defined in /etc/mailmain/aliases which is quite large as we have 
> a lot of lists.
>
> # wc -l /etc/mailman/aliases
> 246 /etc/mailman/aliases
> grep mailman /etc/mailman/aliases | wc -l
> 173
>
> And in postfix I have this for aliases:
>
> main.cf:alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/etc/mailman/aliases
>
> Typically the Aliases look like this:
>
> mailman-loop: /var/lib/mailman/data/owner-bounces.mbox
> # STANZA START: mailman
> mailman: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman"
> mailman-admin:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman"
> mailman-bounces: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman"
> mailman-confirm: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman"
> mailman-join:"|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman"
> mailman-leave:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman"
> mailman-owner:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman"
> mailman-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman"
> mailman-subscribe:   "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman"
> mailman-unsubscribe: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman"
> # STANZA END: mailman
>
> SMTP is up and running. This is a working mailserver delvering email 24/7.
> # netstat -na |grep ":25 "
>
> tcp0  0 0.0.0.0:25  0.0.0.0:*   LISTEN
> tcp6   0  0 :::25   :::*LISTEN
> tcp6   0  0 ::1:25  ::1:36704   TIME_WAIT 
> # telnet localhost 25
> Trying ::1...
> Connected to localhost.
> Escape character is '^]'.
> 220 camber.motec.com.au ESMTP Postfix
> quit
> 221 2.0.0 Bye
> Connection closed by foreign host.
>
> This maybe something but I don't know:
>
> # ls -l ~mailman/locks
> ls: cannot access /usr/lib/mailman/locks: No such file or directory
>
> But actually I think the locks are in /var/lock ...
>
> # ls -l /var/lock/mailman/
> total 8
> -rw-rw-r--. 2 mailman mailman 58 May 24  2017 master-qrunner
> -rw-rw-r--. 2 mailman mailman 58 May 24  2017 
> master-qrunner.camber.motec.com.au.10512
>
> # ps aux | grep 10512 | grep -v grep
> mailman  10512  0.0  0.1 231612 10548 ?Ss   15:40   0:00 
> /usr/bin/python
> /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start
>
> Any clues for solving this are much appreciated.
>
> Ki

[Mailman-Users] Scrubbing incoming mail (e.g., strip bottom from top posters)

[Tom Browder]

Soon I hope to get mm3 up and running and reactivate some old mm2 lists and
start new ones.

I anticipate voluminous messages from the many people I correspond with who
have no clue (in spite of my pleas) about the problems of top posting in
mailing lists, as well as html mail and voluminous attachments.

I will warn my subscribers about such policies, but I need a reasonable
solution to scrub mail and clean it up before it shows up on the lists.

I see that mm3 has lots of filtering settings to help the situation.  I
have several questions following, and I have provided in some cases what I
think the general answer is.  Affirmation, critique, or answers will be
greatly appreciated.

+ strip bottom posts?

mm3: add-on custom or community-contributed filter

+ hold msgs with attachments for approval?

mm3: true

+ create my own filter if existing ones aren't sufficient for my needs?

mm3: true

+ hold any msg for approval if it doesn't meet my filtering requirement?

mm3: true

+ bounce msgs failing certain criteria back to sender with a custom msg?

mm3: true

I know Postfix has filtering customization, too.  Are there any recommended
guidelines on where to do various types of filtering?

  spam, blacklist: Postfix

  mailing list rules: mm3

Thanks.

Best regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Which is most popular: OR ?

[Tom Browder]

On Sunday, February 14, 2016, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 02/14/2016 05:23 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> > In my old MM 2 lists I used the second form (without "lists") and I
> > still want to use that form with MM 3.
> >
> > Are there any reasons why I shouldn't use the second form?

...

> No.

...

Thanks, Mark, for a very thoughtful, helpful response (as usual).

Best regards,

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[Mailman-Users] Which is most popular: OR ?

[Tom Browder]

In my old MM 2 lists I used the second form (without "lists") and I
still want to use that form with MM 3.

Are there any reasons why I shouldn't use the second form?

In my opinion, the second form may be easier for inexperienced mailing
list users, but, on the other hand, the first form makes it a bit
clearer that the addressee is a list, not an individual.

Another factor may be the actual list name, e.g.,

  grads-l...@mycollege.org

versus

  gr...@mycollege.org

or other forms of a list name.

I would appreciate any comments on your real-world experiences and how
you prefer to handle such list naming.

Best regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
...
> If you have Mailman-Postfix  integration, you don't want to set the owner of 
> Mailman's data/aliases.db to root.
>
> Mailman's bin/check_perms is the safer way to fix ownership and permissions.

Ah I forgot about that.  Thanks, Mark.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull
 wrote:
> Tom Browder writes:
>
>  > The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
>  > from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
>  > "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.
>
> It doesn't matter what the name is.  You may wish to use a predefined
...
> Bottom line: If I were you, I'd make sure that the mailman group and
> user are set up properly, and then do "chown root:mailman

Steve, thanks for some good info, but no 'chown -R'?

Best,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 09/15/2015 07:25 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
>> The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
>> from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
>> "/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.
...
> --with-groupname option to configure). The owner is not critical. It is
> usually also 'mailman' (or whatever name you configured via the
> --with-username option to configure), but it really can be anything.

Thanks so much, Mark!

Best,

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[Mailman-Users] Is there a preferred owner and group of the MM2 directory "/usr/local/mailman?"

[Tom Browder]

The installation instructions are a little confusing, but I take away
from them the best (almost default) choice for owner:group for the
"/usr/local/mailman" ($prefix) directory is 'mailman'.

Any other opinions or recommendations?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving MM2 to a new server (revisited).

[Tom Browder]

On Aug 14, 2015 7:14 PM, "Mark Sapiro"  wrote:
> On 08/14/2015 05:38 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
> > Is is necessary to restart Apache2, Postfix, and MM2 on the old server
...
> No. You shouldn't need to start the web server, mail server or Mailman
> on the old server.
...

Thanks so much, Mark!

Best,

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[Mailman-Users] Moving MM2 to a new server (revisited).

[Tom Browder]

I saw several recent msgs about moving MM2 from one server to another,
but I need some more specific advice for my situation:

Old server (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64-bit)
===

apache:version 2.2.14 (2.2.14-5ubuntu8.15)
postfix: version 2.7.0 (2.7.0-1ubuntu0.2)
mailman:  version 2.1.13 (1:2.1.13-1ubuntu0.2)

MM2/Postfix stopped sending messages back in April. I was clueless
until after I shutdown postfix a couple of days ago and have done
nothing to the old server's files.  I'm almost positive there is
undelivered mail there.

New server (Debian 7, 64bit)


openssl: version 1.0.2d

I am successfully running Apache 2.4.16 with several virtual hosts.

I am going to install the latest Postfix (from src).  I will install
the latest MM2 (from src).

Plan
===

1. Get a working MM2 with one or more new lists associated with one or
more virtual hosts (with no new names conflicting with names from the
dormant lists).

2. Follow previous threads on transferring old lists to the new, working MM2.

Question:
===

Is is necessary to restart Apache2, Postfix, and MM2 on the old server
in order to recover the undelivered mail, or can I somehow magically
copy files to the new server before that effort.  Note I haven't yet
looked at the logs on the old server.

Thanks.

Best regards,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about confirming each email for one subscriber

[Tom Coradeschi]

> On 28 May 2015, at 5:17 PM, Nancy C  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> 
> 
> We have a member who is very computer / email illiterate & continually sends
> emails that should not get through
> 
> to the group as a whole.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there a setting that could be made so her emails always come to the
> listkeepers first?

Sure: Put that user’s account in moderation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 3.0 testing...

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Farokh Irani 
wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> I posted the message below a while back, but never saw a reply. Did I miss
> it?
​
​
>> Farokh Irani <mailto:far...@mcfsoftware.com>
>> April 9, 2015 at 19:36
>>
>> If I set up a machine to test 3.0, will I be able to simply install the
>> official 3.0 release over it, or should I plan on doing a completely
clean
>> install?​

​Probably have better luck with dev list for MM 3.

Best,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Disable auto-responder for some From adresses

[Tom Lieuallen]

Can I ask a follow-up question.  Excuse me if this was on the list 
before; I don't recall seeing it in my glance at the digests...


Are you by chance getting spammed by subscription requests from a few 
select IP's?  Maybe trying to subscribe the same email-to-text address 
in each flood of attempts?  This is happening to us over the last couple 
days.  I'm not sure if they're trying to spam the poor person with that 
phone/text number or if they're trying to hack into our mailman or 
collect addresses.  It's quite annoying, though.


Perhaps the answer is captcha, however I see that as being frowned upon 
in the list archives.


So, is anyone else getting hit by a bunch of requests lately?  And I'll 
look forward to any solutions to Larry's request.  :-)


thank you

Tom Lieuallen
Oregon State University

> Is there a way to do any of the following from the command line,
> perhaps with a script?
>
> -  Find which lists have pending subscription requests
> (preferably showing the pending subscriber's email address)
>
> -  Delete the pending subscription requests (preferably a
> specified address)
>
> Thanks,
>
> (Running v2.1.12-18.el6 on RHEL6)
>
> Larry M. Rosenbaum
> Oak Ridge National Laboratory

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

[Tom Lieuallen]

The wiki page looks great and thank you for the other replies.

thank you

Tom Lieuallen

On 4/16/14, 2:22 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 04/16/2014 01:30 PM, Tom Lieuallen wrote:


Thank you very much for the summary of solutions.  I was about to
suggest/request it.  It may be helpful to add to the wiki as it seems
quite important and complicated. I'd be interested in more mails like
this, helping those of us move forward and alleviate the issues.



I just updated <http://wiki.list.org/x/ggARAQ>. What do you think?



Lindsay Haisley also suggested:

"What I'm advising list admins here, which puts a band-aid on the
problem, is to put all yahoo.com subscribers on moderation, effectively
making them read-only subscriptions.  Also go through your membership
list and clear any nomail disablements with a "[B]" beside them."

Is there any way to make these changes with a script, or would one have
to do it manually?



See <http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py>.



I'm also curious if the spam options (header_filter_rules or
bounce_matching_headers) might be options to catch inbound messages from
yahoo.



Either could be used but bounce_matching_headers is deprecated in favor
of header_filter_rules.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC and Bellsouth, etc.

[Tom Lieuallen]

Stephen,

Thank you very much for the summary of solutions.  I was about to 
suggest/request it.  It may be helpful to add to the wiki as it seems 
quite important and complicated. I'd be interested in more mails like 
this, helping those of us move forward and alleviate the issues.


Unless I'm overlooking something, there is another option that appears 
to work.  The anonymous_list option repackages the mail enough that 
gmail no longer marks it as spam.


I don't think it's appropriate for most lists, but could be mentioned as 
another option.  Unless it's similar to option 2 below. I'm not familiar 
with ALLOW_AUTHOR_IS_LIST.


Lindsay Haisley also suggested:

"What I'm advising list admins here, which puts a band-aid on the
problem, is to put all yahoo.com subscribers on moderation, effectively
making them read-only subscriptions.  Also go through your membership
list and clear any nomail disablements with a "[B]" beside them."

Is there any way to make these changes with a script, or would one have 
to do it manually?


I'm also curious if the spam options (header_filter_rules or 
bounce_matching_headers) might be options to catch inbound messages from 
yahoo.


Thank you all

Tom Lieuallen


On 4/16/14, 11:11 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Jose I. Rojas  writes:

  > We have a community group mail list which we run using Mailman and
  > have lately had a problem getting our emails to members who have
  > Bellsouth and Yahoo email addresses. I've seen the posts about DMARC
  > but am not that tech-savvy to figure out what this means and how to
  > resolve.

What it means right now is that posts with "@yahoo.com" in the "From"
header field will not be delivered to users whose subscribed addresses
are at a long list of large email service providers.

If emails posted by users with "@gmail.com" and "@harvard.edu" etc
addresses are getting through to everybody, but emails from
"@yahoo.com" members are not, then the problem may very well be
Yahoo!'s DMARC policy.

  > Our ISP tells us domain is "RFC-compliant" and problem must be with
  > Bellsouth or Yahoo.

That's not very helpful of them.

  > How do we resolve this?  What is the fix?

If in fact the problem is Yahoo!'s DMARC policy, you can't resolve it
and there is no fix.  Simply put, Yahoo! does not permit their users
to post to modern mailing lists that conform to the mail standards.
There are four possible workarounds, depending on the access you have
to your mailing list's configuration:

(1) You can tell your members with @yahoo.com addresses to post from a
 different domain.  This is what I personally recommend, as it (a)
 conforms to Yahoo's stated policy and (b) makes Yahoo users
 unhappy with their provider, whose behavior is causing denial of
 service to thousands, perhaps millions, of mailing list users.

 My experience with this approach is "no complaints", but my users
 are unusual in that they don't really care about their yahoo.com
 addresses for various reasons.  People who do most or all of their
 mail using Yahoo addresses will find this painful.  Depending on
 how actively you want to protest Yahoo's behavior, you may or may
 not be willing to impose that pain.

(2) You can break your mailing lists by using the author_is_list
 option in Mailman 2.1.16 and later.  This option will only be
 available if the site configuration has ALLOW_AUTHOR_IS_LIST set
 to "Yes".  This will cause the list to replace the author's
 address with its own address in "From".  However, your domain may
 not permit this, as it's a clear violation of the mail RFCs.

(3) There is a patch to have Mailman encapsulate posts from yahoo.com
 addresses in a "one-message digest".  This is RFC-conformant, but
 some users may have difficulty reading such mail.  (Frequently
 reported on iPhones.)  It also requires using a third-party patch
 for Mailman, which may be prohibited by your ISP or beyond your
 technical capability in the short run.

(4) You can operate Mailman in pure pass-through mode.  I believe it
 is sufficient to configure Mailman to (a) have a completely empty
 header (not even whitespace) (b) a completely empty footer (c) no
 list prefix in the Subject header field.  This is conformant to
 the RFCs, but may place you in violation of anti-spam law (because
 for most users there will be no visible indication of how to
 unsubscribe from the list).




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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] MM3 Test "" Hangs

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Nicolas Karageuzian
 wrote:
> I encountered db lock using sqlite with mailman3 and tools.
> Switching to postgres avoid the db locking states.
> Maybe you should explore that way.

I'll try that.

> Hyperkitty moved to github so the lp ref is quite out of date for this
> resource.

I thought so--that't why I was asking for definitive, easy-to-find
links on the wiki.

Thanks, Nicolas.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 Test "" Hangs

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull
 wrote:
> Tom Browder writes:
...
> Actually, I do have a couple of ideas.  First, you should always
> report the whole error trace (if you think that's ugly in an email,
...

Thanks, Steve, for the good advice.

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[Mailman-Users] MM3 Test "" Hangs

[Tom Browder]

i have started investigating MM3 for my new, remote server and
branched from lp:mailman, lp:postorius, and lp:hyperkitty.

I started in the MM3 branch directory and followed instructions in
src/mailman/docs/START.rst.

I got the virtualenv ready to go and, in the local mailman branch
directory, I executed:

  $  node2 -v

All tests chug along nicely until:

  /usr/local/src/0-mailman3/src/mailman/rest/docs/membership.rst ...

and it hangs longer than I think it should.  After a  the last
few trace-back lines are:

  File 
"/home/virtualenvs/mm3/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/storm-0.20-py2.7-linux-i686.egg/storm/database.py",
line 374, in raw_execute
self._run_execution(raw_cursor, args, params, statement)
  File 
"/home/virtualenvs/mm3/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/storm-0.20-py2.7-linux-i686.egg/storm/database.py",
line 388, in _run_execution
self._check_disconnect(raw_cursor.execute, *args)
  File 
"/home/virtualenvs/mm3/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/storm-0.20-py2.7-linux-i686.egg/storm/database.py",
line 454, in _check_disconnect
return function(*args, **kwargs)
sqlite3.OperationalError: database is locked

Note I am running the MM3 installation, via ssh, on a remote host
running Debian 7, 32-bit. (Note also postfix is running.)

I have no idea what to do next, and help or ideas would be greatly appreciated.

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[Mailman-Users] MM 3 and OSCON 2014

[Tom Browder]

Two questions:

1.  What is the definitive link for the MM 3 branch for wannabe users
(I haven't been able to find such on the wiki yet, but I know  it's
there)?

2.  Is MM going to have a presence at O'reilly's OSCON 2014 in July?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts by non-subscribers not getting automatically discarded

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 05/15/2013 07:48 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
...
>> + the post is being deferred due to improper content
> The phrase "improper content" does not appear in any standard GNU
> Mailmamn hold reason. Either you are not reporting the actual reason or
> you have a custom or modified handler in the pipeline ahead of Moderate

I'm sorry, you're correct, Mark.  I forgot you told me earlier how to
write such a handler which I implemented successfully.  You said:

> You need to implement a
> custom handler <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>. That FAQ contains a
> skeleton example MyHandler.py which does what you ask and more.

So I guess the real question is "how do I postpone that handler until
AFTER the check for whether the poster is a member?"

After reviewing the original implementation instructions I think I can
fix the problem.

Consider the problem solved unless I run into problems.

Thanks so much!

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[Mailman-Users] Posts by non-subscribers not getting automatically discarded

[Tom Browder]

I have two lists  which have started being spammed by non-members and
I have tried to set it for automatic discarding with no notification
to the admin.

However, I still get notices that my attention is required.  When I
look at the list I see, for each problem post:

+ the post is being deferred due to improper content

+ I get the options to discard or ban them forever

I do not have content filtering turned on.

What am I doing wrong?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe with CGI script?

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 1:04 AM, Krylov Ivan  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
>>
>>  my $response = $browser->post(
>>
>> "https://host.org/cgi-bin/mailman/$oper/$list";,
>>   email=>  $enc_email,
>>   fullname =>  $enc_name,
>>  );
>
>
> LWP::UserAgent documentation says on the ->post() method:
>>
>>This method will use the POST() function from
>> "HTTP::Request::Common"
>
>>to build the request.  See HTTP::Request::Common for a
>>details on how to pass form content and
>>other advanced features.
>
> The request form you needed is POST($url, {field => "value"}), otherwise you
> will create HTTP headers, not POST data.

I made two errors pointed out by Ivan: (1) I dumbly forgot to wrap the
hash args in curly braces and (2) I should NOT have encoded the field
values.

With those two corrections all works well!

Thanks very much, Ivan.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe with CGI script?

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 05/13/2013 04:39 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
...
> I assume $oper is 'subscribe'. There is apparently some incompatibility
> between the way perl supplies the post data and the way Python's
> cgi.FieldStorage() retrieves it as it is either not seeing the 'email'
> name or its value is empty. Those are the only things that produce the
> "You must supply a valid email address." response.

Thanks, Mark, but Ivan caught my Perl errors.  With those corrections
all works well.  Mailman does what it is expected to do.

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[Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe with CGI script?

[Tom Browder]

I am running Mailman 2 (from package on Debian 6) and am trying to
build my  own subscription page with a Perl cgi script.

I viewed the page source of a typical subscription page to find how it
normally works.

I get to the point of subscription and, using modules LWB::UserAgent
and URI::Esacpe do;


my $browser  = LWP::UserAgent->new;
# may need to url encode the e-mail
my $enc_email = uri_escape($email);
my $enc_name  = uri_escape($fullname);

my $response = $browser->post(
  
"https://host.org/cgi-bin/mailman/$oper/$list";,
  email=> $enc_email,
  fullname => $enc_name,
 );
if ($response->is_success) {
  $resp  = $response->decoded_content;  # or whatever
}
else {
  die $response->status_line;
}

When using real data I get the following response from Mailman


listname Subscription results

You must supply a valid email address.


and of course nothing happens.

Any ideas or criticisms are appreciated.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Subscribe/unsubscribe with CGI script?

[Tom Browder]

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Tom Browder  wrote:
> I am running Mailman 2 (from package on Debian 6) and am trying to
> build my  own subscription page with a Perl cgi script.
...
> When using real data I get the following response from Mailman
> You must supply a valid email address.

I should have made it clear that when I use the same data on the
Mailman subscription page for the same list all works well.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't appear on list overview page

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 05/01/2013 03:15 AM, Simon Fraser wrote:
>> On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 05:08 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
>>>
>>> All lists but one appear on the list overview page, but that lists
>>> works fine otherwise.  The overview pages accessed from it shows all
>>> lists but it.
>>
>> Under 'Privacy Options' for that list, what's the option "Advertise this
>> list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" set to?
>
>
> If that doesn't solve the problem, see the FAQ at
> <http://wiki.list.org/x/6oA9> and others linked therefrom.

The 'Advertise this list...' did it.

Thanks, Mark!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List doesn't appear on list overview page

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Simon Fraser  wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 05:08 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
...
>> All lists but one appear on the list overview page, but that lists
...
> Under 'Privacy Options' for that list, what's the option "Advertise this
> list when people ask what lists are on this machine?" set to?

That was it, Simon.

Thanks!

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[Mailman-Users] List doesn't appear on list overview page

[Tom Browder]

My third problem this week:  I have about 30 lists for one domain on
an Unbuntu 10 server.

All lists but one appear on the list overview page, but that lists
works fine otherwise.  The overview pages accessed from it shows all
lists but it.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is changing list names to upper case first letter; how can that be changed? Are list names not case-sensitive?

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 04/30/2013 12:15 PM, Tom Browder wrote:
>>
>> I assume there is some way to change that behavior in a python file, but 
>> where?
...
> If you want to change this default, edit the module Mailman/MailList.py.
> Around line 352 you'll see
>
> self.real_name = internalname[0].upper() + internalname[1:]
>
> Change that to
>
> self.real_name = internalname

That did it, Mark, great help as usual!

Thanks a heap (one more question coming later if I can't sort it out).

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman is changing list names to upper case first letter; how can that be changed? Are list names not case-sensitive?

[Tom Browder]

To answer part of my question, I guess list names are not case
sensitive since they are used in an e-mail address.

However, I do not like Mailman assuming I want an upper case first
character in my templates and such about the list.  Specifically, I
used a script to create a list named 'cs-24' (and similarly named
ones) and I would like it to show on all pages as 'cs-24', not
'Cs-24'.

I assume there is some way to change that behavior in a python file, but where?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Testing STEALTH_MODE = 1

[Tom Skelley]

Thanks, that was exactly what I needed! The version of Mailman is a bit
later than 2.1.6, but it's still pretty old. Have to be a bit cagey as it's
not my install. I suspect that whoever turned off stealth mode to test and
then never turned it back on again.

Out of interested, is there an ETA on a production release of Mailman 3.x ?

Thanks again!

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[Mailman-Users] Testing STEALTH_MODE = 1

[Tom Skelley]

Hi All,
  A bit of an odd question this one. I'm new to Mailman, and one of my
customers has just had an external audit. As part of the audit an advisory
was given that too much information was given when an Apache query was
executed. This turns out to be from the /mailman/create script.

I've found that setting STEALTH_MODE = 1 in mailman/scripts/driver should
fix the problem, but I need to test it. Is there a way to force an error
through the web interface?

I've tried changing file permissions on the python binary, changing file
permissions on the .py and .pyc scripts, trying to import non-existant
modules etc, but I can't manage to get it to dump a stack trace.

Any help greatfully received.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Mail with Regexes: Possible? [SOLVED]

[Tom Browder]

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
...
>>I tried to do some editing in the FAQs but, even after I established
>>an account and I logged in, I couldn't find the way to do it, so I'll
...
> Due to severe issues with wiki spam, you need to be granted write
> permission before you can update the wiki. I have given you
> permission. I have augmented the title of the FAQ to include the words
> 'filter' and 'regex', but feel free to make further changes if you
> feel they're warranted.

Thanks, Mark.

Best,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Mail with Regexes: Possible? [SOLVED]

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Tom Browder  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>> Tom Browder wrote:
>>>I would like to be able to filter message bodies and put a hold for
>>>approval on those with html links in them to try to catch address book
> ...
>>>Is that possible?
> ...
>> Yes, but not via the standard configuration. You need to implement a
>> custom handler <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>. That FAQ contains a
>> skeleton example MyHandler.py which does what you ask and more.

Mark, I tried it and it works great!

I think the FAQ title needs to mention "filter" or "regex" because the
existing title ("How do I implement a custom handler in Mailman?")
didn't ring that bell for me (my bad, but I have to live with it).

I tried to do some editing in the FAQs but, even after I established
an account and I logged in, I couldn't find the way to do it, so I'll
keep hunting around.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Filtering Mail with Regexes: Possible?

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
>>I would like to be able to filter message bodies and put a hold for
>>approval on those with html links in them to try to catch address book
...
>>Is that possible?
...
> Yes, but not via the standard configuration. You need to implement a
> custom handler <http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9>. That FAQ contains a
> skeleton example MyHandler.py which does what you ask and more.

Thanks, Mark!

Best,

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[Mailman-Users] Sort Member List

[Tom Browder]

I notice the member list is sorted by email addresses.  Is there any
way to sort it on the display name?

if not, will that be possible with Mailman 3?

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[Mailman-Users] More virtual hosts woes: mail to listname-requ...@domain.org bounces with loop back

[Tom Browder]

I had success on most fronts as discussed on the thread:

  http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-August/072029.html

However, one of my testers tried to use the e-mail help request system
and got a bounce.  I just tried it and got the same thing.

I e-mailed "graytags-requ...@usafa-1965.org" (and also to
"graytags-requ...@lists.usafa-1965.org") and received this:

=>
This is the mail system at host vh1.mygnus.com.

I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.

For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

  The mail system

: mail for usafa-1965.org loops back to myself

Final-Recipient: rfc822; graytags-requ...@usafa-1965.org
Original-Recipient: rfc822;graytags-requ...@usafa-1965.org
Action: failed
Status: 5.4.6
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail for usafa-1965.org loops back to myself

<=




-Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman[SOLVED (so far)]

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 18:09, Tom Browder  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 17:56, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>> Tom Browder wrote:
...
> Hm, but now I'm having problems because when I reply to a message from
> list posters it has their personal e-mail address in the header like
> this example:
>
> Billy Bob billy.bowl...@gmail.com via virtual-1.org

I now have the headers looking as I expected.  I did it by changing
the list default setting here:

General options:
--

Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly
recommended for most mailing lists.

[default is POSTER, I set it to THIS LIST]

So my list is looking the way I expect it to, and recipients are
seeing the same.

Tomorrow I try out a new read-only site.

Best regards, and thanks for your patience, Mark.

-Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How is the subscriber's name used?

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 18:14, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
...
>>1.  What is the Real Name used for?
...
>>2.  Can it be shown on the public subscribers list?
...
> See the change to HTMLFormatter.py at
> <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.2/revision/1034>

I applied the patch and it works nicely!  I may add some more formatting later:

  go through subscriber and list get the max length of e-mail names on the list
  add to each subscriber e-mail name spaces to extend to the max
e-mail name spaces
  add desired extra space for clear separation from the e-mail
  append the "real name" (possibly without parens)

Thanks, Mark.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts andmailman[SOLVED (so far)]

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 18:23, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
>>
>>Hm, but now I'm having problems because when I reply
...
> Using what MUA?

gmail

>>to a message from
>>list posters it has their personal e-mail address in the header like
>>this example:
>>
>>Billy Bob billy.bowl...@gmail.com via virtual-1.org
>>
>>I have my list configure so it is (by default) supposed to hide
>>personal addresses.
>
>
> Configured how? The list setting
>
> anonymous_list = Yes

No, this:

Show member addresses so they're not directly recognizable as email addresses?
(Details for obscure_addresses)   No Yes<== [Yes selected]

***And this may be part of my understanding--this setting:

Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly
recommended for most mailing lists.  [it iset to POSTER]

I now see that that is what this list does--I'm not used to that on
other mailing lists.

I've looked at both arguments for "munging" reply-to and I agree with
the dissenter and will change the setting to THIS LIST.

Shouldn't that do the trick?

> What are the actual raw headers in the message you receive from the
> list?

This is what my gmail shows:

fromJerry Pipinich jpipin...@yahoo.com via usafa-1965.org
sender-time Sent at 17:31 (GMT-07:00). Current time there: 5:36 PM. ✆
to  grayt...@usafa-1965.org
dateFri, Aug 5, 2011 at 17:31
subject [Graytags] USAFA '65
mailing listgraytags.usafa-1965.org Filter messages from this mailing list
mailed-by   usafa-1965.org
unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list

I'll see if I can find the actual ones sent from my postfix host if
that's not good enough.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman[SOLVED (so far)]

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 17:56, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
>>
>>Aha, I think all works now.  What I did was comment out this line in
>>/etc/postfix/main.cf:
>>
>>#relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

Hm, but now I'm having problems because when I reply to a message from
list posters it has their personal e-mail address in the header like
this example:

Billy Bob billy.bowl...@gmail.com via virtual-1.org

I have my list configure so it is (by default) supposed to hide
personal addresses.

Maybe something else is amiss.

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[Mailman-Users] How is the subscriber's name used?

[Tom Browder]

I think I have a working mailing list, and I just "mass" subscribed a
dozen of my friends to take a spin.  When I subscribed them I put
their real names in the mass subscription list like this:

blitz12345@gmailcom (Real Name)

The Real Name shows on the admin's subscriber list, but not in the
subscribers list available to the subscribers.  Two questions:

1.  What is the Real Name used for?
2.  Can it be shown on the public subscribers list?

Thanks,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman [SOLVED (so far)]

[Tom Browder]

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 14:55, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> On 8/5/2011 8:07 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
>
>> In my /etc/postfix/main.cf I have this:
>>   relay_domains = virtual-1.org, virtual-2.org
>
>
> I am not a Postfix expert, but I'll tell you what I think. If that
> doesn't solve the problem, you may need to go to a Postfix list.
>
> I know the postfix-to-mailman.py documentation says to put your list
> domains in relay_domains, but I think that's wrong. I don't think it
> normally hurts as long as you haven't specified relay_recipient_maps in
> main.cf, but if you have, then if your list domains are in
> relay_domains, all your list addresses need to be in
> relay_recipient_maps tables. That appears to be the source of your
> current problem.
>
> Bottom line: remove the above relay_domains entry.

Thanks, Mark, I'll try that--I have to say that the docs are somewhat
confusing--especially postfix...

Hm, didn't work--uncommented the change and experimenting a little...

Aha, I think all works now.  What I did was comment out this line in
/etc/postfix/main.cf:

#relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

After a postfix reload I'm reading foreing subscribers on the
list...and no errors noticed yet on  the real host.

Best regards, and thanks again for your help.

Happy mailing all!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 16:37, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
>
>>Question 1:
>>=
>>
>>Current situation:
>>
...
(detailed and helpful answers...)

Thanks, Mark!  I'm going to jump in again!

By the way, I have a Perl script and module I use to destroy and regen
the lists easily while testing if anyone is interested.

Best regards,

-Tom

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[Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman

[Tom Browder]

Question 1:
=

Current situation:


I have now pretty much a working solution for this situation (postfix
and mailman installed with Ubuntu packages on 64-bit 10.04 LTS (Lucid
Lynx) :

  1 server
  1 "real" domain: realdomain.com
  2 virtual domains: virtual-1.org
virtual-2.org

All are accessed successfully through SSL/TLS (https).

Desired situation:


I can get new lists at the virtual domains okay, but here's what I
would like to do: change the mailing list virtual domains to:

  2 virtual domains: lists.virtual-1.org # this is my default domain for mailman
lists.virtual-2.org

BUT present the lists to the users as, say, i...@virtual-1.org

I had some mixed success early on, but other problems intervened.  Now
that the other problems have been solved, I want to blow everything
away and start over but only if the "Desired situation" is feasible:

Question 2:
=

Can I also do this on the real domain:

Create a new subdomain and mailing lists:

  lists.realdomain.com <= let postfix and mailman handle this as a
virtual domain

And also as desired for "Question 1,"

  BUT present the lists to the users as, say, n...@realdomain.com

Best regards,

-Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error: Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server [SOLVED]

[Tom Browder]

On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 06:31, Tom Browder  wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 13:08, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>> Tom Browder wrote:
> ...
>>>However, I, as a list user, cannot get access to the archives for a
>>>list.  When I try to look at the archives through the link on the
>>>Welcome message I get the following:
>>>
>>>  Forbidden
>>>
>>>  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server.
>>>
>>>I tried changing the example line in the mailman.conf  file from:
>>>
>>>  Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
> ...
>>>I have searched this list for "pipermail" but see no similar problem.
>>>
>>>I'm sure I've missed a note somewhere but I'm not sure how to proceed.
>>> The mailman docs talk about permissions and the mailman user but
>>>Ubuntu installs all mailman files with root:list ownership which seems
>>>to work for all else.  All the directories under /var/lib/mailman have
>>>these permissions:
>>>
>>>  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list
>>
>> If that includes /var/lib/mailman/archives/private, then that's OK.
>> Otherwise note that /var/lib/mailman/archives/private must be o+x or
>> must have user:group xxx:list where xxx is the user that the web
>> server uses to access files.
>
> Aha, I missed the fine details of one important directory: the
> archives/private directory did not have these permissions:
>
>  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list
>
> Instead it had these:
>
>  drwxrws---  4 root list
>
> As root I excuted
>
>  chmod o+xr private
>
> and now all works as advertised!
>
> Thanks a heap, Mark.  I shall file a bug with Ubuntu.

This is already listed in Ubuntu bugs as number #543148.

I added a comment about my situation.

Best regards,

-Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error: Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server [SOLVED]

[Tom Browder]

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 13:08, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> Tom Browder wrote:
...
>>However, I, as a list user, cannot get access to the archives for a
>>list.  When I try to look at the archives through the link on the
>>Welcome message I get the following:
>>
>>  Forbidden
>>
>>  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server.
>>
>>I tried changing the example line in the mailman.conf  file from:
>>
>>  Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
...
>>I have searched this list for "pipermail" but see no similar problem.
>>
>>I'm sure I've missed a note somewhere but I'm not sure how to proceed.
>> The mailman docs talk about permissions and the mailman user but
>>Ubuntu installs all mailman files with root:list ownership which seems
>>to work for all else.  All the directories under /var/lib/mailman have
>>these permissions:
>>
>>  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list
>
> If that includes /var/lib/mailman/archives/private, then that's OK.
> Otherwise note that /var/lib/mailman/archives/private must be o+x or
> must have user:group xxx:list where xxx is the user that the web
> server uses to access files.

Aha, I missed the fine details of one important directory: the
archives/private directory did not have these permissions:

  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list

Instead it had these:

  drwxrws---  4 root list

As root I excuted

  chmod o+xr private

and now all works as advertised!

Thanks a heap, Mark.  I shall file a bug with Ubuntu.

Best regards.

-Tom

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[Mailman-Users] Error when e-mailing a list: User unknown in virtual alias table

[Tom Browder]

I get this message when posting to my new lists:

Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

n...@mydomain.org

Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the
recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for
further information about the cause of this error. The error that the
other server returned was: 550 550 5.1.1 :
Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (state
14).

The Mailman docs (specifically /etc/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py)
says that I don't have to set up virtual aliases:

# -join, -leave, -subscribe and -unsubscribe addresses. It will
# recognize a list as soon as the list is created, there is no need to
# add _any_ aliases for any list.  It recognizes mail to postmaster,

but is that really true?

Thanks,

-Tom

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman error: Forbidden: You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server

[Tom Browder]

I'm testing a new installation of postfix and mailman on a remote
server (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, 64-bit) with two active virtual hosts.  Each
host is accessed via a switch to https (TLS).  I installed mailman
(and postfix) via my package manager.

I've established four lists, two for each server, and I can send and
receive mail successfully so far.

However, I, as a list user, cannot get access to the archives for a
list.  When I try to look at the archives through the link on the
Welcome message I get the following:

  Forbidden

  You don't have permission to access /pipermail/grads/ on this server.

I tried changing the example line in the mailman.conf  file from:

  Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

to

  ScriptAlias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/

but that didn't change anything so I changed it back.

I have searched this list for "pipermail" but see no similar problem.

I'm sure I've missed a note somewhere but I'm not sure how to proceed.
 The mailman docs talk about permissions and the mailman user but
Ubuntu installs all mailman files with root:list ownership which seems
to work for all else.  All the directories under /var/lib/mailman have
these permissions:

  drwxrwsr-x  4 root list

Thanks for your help.

Best regards,

-Tom

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman appends hostname to some address on mail list

[Tom Tilmant]

It seems the problem has been resolved by the service provider.  It appears
that the host name of the server was not in the /etc/localdomains as
required by mailman.  They made the adjustment and the problems have gone
away.

I appreciate everybody's input.

-Original Message-
From: Brad Knowles [mailto:b...@shub-internet.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:30 PM
To: Tom Tilmant
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman appends hostname to some address on
mail list

on 5/3/09 8:34 PM, Tom Tilmant said:

> 2009-05-03 13:27:54 [20088] 1M0iHw-0005Dq-2U => pers...@pacbell.net
> F= P= R=lookuphost
> T=remote_smtp S=4894 H=pbimail2.prodigy.net [207.115.21.23]:25 C="250
2.0.0
> n43KRqOE012511 Message accepted for delivery" QT=2s DT=2s

That looks like qmail.  I'm not sure there are many people on this list 
who know anything about qmail.

> 2009-05-03 16:12:52 [20088] H=localhost (myhost.DOMAIN.com)
> [127.0.0.1]:45816 I=[127.0.0.1]:25 F=
> temporarily rejected RCPT : Could not complete
sender
> verify

Looks like they tried to do Sender Address Verification, which is a 
really bad idea (see <http://taint.org/2007/03/16/134743a.html>).

Regardless, they are configured to do SAV, and your system didn't verify 
that address as valid (which is not uncommon for qmail, IIRC), so your 
message failed to be accepted.  There's not much you can do about this, 
unless you can get the recipient system to stop doing SAV, or you can 
fix your qmail installation to actually validate those addresses.

Like I said, I don't know that there's anyone here who understands much 
about qmail.

>  My
> service provider claims not to support mailman any longer all through its
> still part of the Cpanel install.

IMO, if you're using cPanel, and your service provider is no longer 
providing support for the system you're using, then you've got the wrong 
service provider.

There are some service providers that are active on this mailing list, 
and I'm sure one or more of them would be more than happy to talk to you 
about your requirements and whether or not they could help you move your 
services to a different system where you can actually get the support 
you should be getting.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman appends hostname to some address on mail list

[Tom Tilmant]

I have been using mailman for several years with my current VPS provider.
About a month ago I started getting complaints from users that they were not
receiving e-mails. I have a spam problem with the server about the same time
and contribute most of the undeliverable because of that. But the complaints
became more frequent and I was able to give my service provider to provide
me with the log files and I started to notice that when I sent an e-mail out
to a mailing list say "pare...@domian.com", that some of the log entries in
the mail log would show the following:

 

2009-05-03 13:27:54 [20088] 1M0iHw-0005Dq-2U => pers...@pacbell.net
F= P= R=lookuphost
T=remote_smtp S=4894 H=pbimail2.prodigy.net [207.115.21.23]:25 C="250 2.0.0
n43KRqOE012511 Message accepted for delivery" QT=2s DT=2s

 

Which would deliver just fine while others would say:

 

2009-05-03 16:12:52 [20088] H=localhost (myhost.DOMAIN.com)
[127.0.0.1]:45816 I=[127.0.0.1]:25 F=
temporarily rejected RCPT : Could not complete sender
verify

 

Which of course were not deliverable but we're all part of the same mailing
list. Has anybody seen this and what is the fix? My current environment is
that I'm using a hosted VPS with Cpanel and don't have root access. My
service provider claims not to support mailman any longer all through its
still part of the Cpanel install.  My version of Cpanel is 11.24.4-RELEASE
and it appears that my mailman version is version 2.1.11.cp3.  I'm trying to
get a grasp on the exact issue so that I can provide my service provider
with a way of fixing it and not request root access which then I lose all
support from them. 

 

I appreciate any help in advance.

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[Mailman-Users] email interface question -- list of mailing lists you own

[Tom Gerhardt]

Hi,
Is there an email command to get the names of mailing lists you own?
Is there an email command to get the names and owner names of mailing lists
on our system?
Thank you,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:


Do posts get archived?
No. Not one of the test emails I've sent to the test list are 
archived. So it's dieing some where between being received and sent 
to the in queue.



Actually, the exim log entry you posted says the mail was delivered 
via the mailman-transport which says it was piped to


  /mail/listdomain.net/mailman/mail/mailman post test

which, assuming that wrapper and the 'post' script are not totally 
broken to the point that they terminate normally without doing 
anything, says that the mail made it to qfiles/in.




See <http://wiki.list.org/x/A4E9>.






Check the various things in the above FAQ article.

I managed to get this working. It turned out to be what I thought it 
was, Permissions issues. I had to go in and change the permissions back 
bin/check_perms -f didn't do it.



Thanks for the assistance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:


Do you have a directory block in your apache config for the 
archives/public directory something like



Options +FollowSymLinks
Order allow,deny
Allow from all

$
If that isn't it, are you running SELinux or some other security 
policy manager> What's in Apache's error_log?

OK this worked I can now get to the archives. Thanks.




Second, none of the email is being sent to the list users.



Do posts get archived?
No. Not one of the test emails I've sent to the test list are archived. 
So it's dieing some where between being received and sent to the in queue.



All of the exim stuff above has to do with mail TO Mailman. If posts 
are getting queued in Mailman's 'in' queue or getting beyond that to 
the list archives, all that is working.


See .


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending email to list users / Archives giving 403

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

I had a server crash and I needed to move two domains that are using 
mailman lists to a new server. I didn't think this was a big deal 
because they were moved from server that was taken out of production to 
the server that crashed without issue. Everything seems to be working 
just fine. They can manage their lists and add new ones but two things 
are happening now.


First, the archives are giving 403 errors when you try to view them. 
Apache logs a "client denied by server configuration:" error. Here are 
the current permissions:


drwxrws--x  26 root mailman 808 Jul  9 14:36 private
drwxrwsr-x   2 root mailman 288 Jul  9 14:36 public

All the subdirectories in private are set to "drwxrwsr-x" with the 
root:mailman user/group. All the html and txt files are set to 644. And 
in the .mbox dirs the .mbox file is set to 664.


I'm not sure why it's pulling a 403 error. Is there something I missed? 
I ran bin/check_perms -f everything once they were moved over and it 
fixed all the permissions and ownerships.


Second, none of the email is being sent to the list users. If a new user 
joins the list the welcome letter is sent. If a non-user tries to post 
to the list the moderators are emailed and the poster is emailed the 
"your post awaits approval" but the registered list users are not 
receiving emails.


This is what I see in the maillog: 2008-07-14 16:13:20 1KIUQB-00053s-5D 
=> test <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R=mailman_router T=mailman_transport


I'm using Exim 4.69 with Mailman 2.1.10

Exim Config:

Router:
mailman_router:
   driver = accept
   require_files = 
/mail/${domain}/mailman/lists/${lc::$local_part}/config.pck

   local_part_suffix_optional
   local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
   -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
   -owner : -request : -admin
   transport = mailman_transport

Transport:
mailman_transport:
   driver = pipe
   command = /mail/${domain}/mailman/mail/mailman \
 '${if def:local_part_suffix \
   {${sg{$local_part_suffix}{-(\\w+)(\\+.*)?}{\$1}}} \
   {post}}' \
 $local_part
   current_directory = /mail/${domain}/mailman
   home_directory = /mail/${domain}/mailman
   user = MAILMAN_USER
   group = MAILMAN_GROUP


MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP are mailman.

Can anyone give me any insight on this please?

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[Mailman-Users] Theming member options page

[Tom Chance]

Hello,
 
I'm using the templates to integrate the Mailman pages into our web
site, e.g.:
http://lists.bioregional.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/newsletter
 
Unfortunately some pages don't have templates, they seem hard coded into
the Python code! For example, when you enter your email address to
change subscription options without already being logged in, you get a
page whose contents is included in these files:
 
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/htmlformat.py - header & footer
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py - contents
 
Is there a cunning trick I'm missing / are there plans to abstract this
out to a template file? Otherwise I'll try putting the "login-unsub" and
password/login buttons directly onto the main listinfo page along with
the email field to see if I can bypass this interim page altogether.
 
Kind regards,
Tom Chance

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[Mailman-Users] Subscription confirmation email subject line

[Tom Chance]

Hello,
 
The default confirmation emails are quite techy, and the subject line is
horrible. I've found the template to customise the text, but not any way
to change the subject like from something like "confirm
838d64bb398f6ff35f179ff4ab49cbce7fba6daf" to "Confirm your subscription
to $list".

Is this possible?
 
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[Mailman-Users] Lists not Sending

[Tom Noise]

I'm running into a problem today with posting and receiving through lists.
This morning posts to the list were being sent and received fine, and now
the posts are being sent through the email client correctly (I checked with
a non-list email address), but nothing is being posted to the list. I've
been back through the settings and nothing seems to be off on the list.
Nothing is in the archives, and nothing is being held for moderation.

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9

[Tom Noise]

Thanks again. The problem was a simple text footer that I added. I took it
out and now it seems to be working. Why would that be though? In earlier
versions I had left the default footer in without trying to customize it and
it never affected anything.

 Again thanks.


On 11/10/07 3:37 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tom Noise wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for the reply, but I actually have Non-Digest Scrub set to "no".
>> 
>> Maybe I should have been more clear on the jumbled part. It comes through
>> with all the text and code for the html links (e.g.,
>> <http://www.example.com>) but nothing else--no form, images, etc. So it's
>> just an unstyled page.
>> 
>> I am not using using CSS for the email version and have all the styling done
>> in the source code. It looks fine is any browser.
> 
> 
> Please post the raw message including all headers for a message as sent
> to the list and the same message as received from the list so we can
> see what is happening.
> 
> One possibility is you are adding msg_header and/or msg_footer and your
> MUA does not understand the resultant MIME structured message, but
> that doesn't seem too likely.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] HTML Email Newsletter Problem on 2.1.9

[Tom Noise]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the reply, but I actually have Non-Digest Scrub set to "no".

Maybe I should have been more clear on the jumbled part. It comes through
with all the text and code for the html links (e.g.,
<http://www.example.com>) but nothing else--no form, images, etc. So it's
just an unstyled page.

I am not using using CSS for the email version and have all the styling done
in the source code. It looks fine is any browser.

Thanks
Tom

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> Frank Kuzler wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone else had a problem sending html emails through 2.1.9? I am
>> running a virtual dedicated server (linux Fedora Red Hat 6 with a Plesk
>> interface) at my webhost. On one of my domains I have set up a list and am
>> trying to send an html email. I have tried:
>> 1 html page through Entourage with inline files (everything has been
>> correctly uploaded to the server in same directory)
>> 2 multipart/alternative through PHPMailer
>> 3 webpage through Thunderbird.
>> 
>> I have content filtering set to 'off' and have gone though all the setting a
>> hundred times. Nothing seems to work, and the page arrives as plain text
>> with a bunch of jumbled links.
> 
> 
> I don't know about the 'jumbled' part, but it seems you may have
> Non-digest options->scrub_nondigest set to Yes.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>   
>> Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> 
>>> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of
>>> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message.
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then  that some of those 
>> message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around 
>> since 2.1.4 or so?
>> 
>
>
> These are all valid posts made by list members. Everything in the
> 'post' log should be a valid post to the list. Occasionally, when
> there is an smtp-failure on a mailman generated message (say a reject
> of spam with a forged non-existant local address), you can get a
> failure entry in the post log even though the message wasn't a post,
> but if you filter out the failures (or the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] message-ids), everything else is
> a legitimate list post.
>
> Note that these failures appear in the mmdsr report under Other
> Messages:->Log file: post.
>
>
>   
Thanks. That helps a lot.
>   
>> Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I 
>> want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how 
>> many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if 
>> they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of 
>> bandwidth to send out.
>> 
>
>
> Yes, but if you want to be truly accurate, you also have to look at
> your MTA logs.
>
> For example, if a 10K message is sent to a list with 1000 members, and
> the list is not personalized, and the message is not VERPed in
> Mailman, mailman might deliver this to the MTA in say 5 transactions
> with 200 recipients each for a total exchange between Mailman and the
> MTA of about 50K plus the address list.
>
> The MTA in turn might batch delivery so if say 50 of those 1000
> recipients are in the aol.com domain, the MTA might send one 10K +
> transaction to AOL for all 50, rather that sending 10K 50 times.
>
>   
I see what you are saying. I'll write something to dig through my Exim 
logs and see what I can come up with.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>   
>> According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the 
>> Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by 
>> members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I 
>> would appreciate a better explanation on that.
>> 
>
>
> This is a bug in Mailman pre 2.1.7 that logged the envelope sender of
> the outgoing message instead of the incoming message.
>
>   
So I'm sure I'm understanding you correctly then  that some of those 
message could be valid posts made by members since this list was around 
since 2.1.4 or so?
>   
>> Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. 
>> The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent 
>> to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per 
>> member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single 
>> SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure.
>> 
>
>
> Yes, you are correct. This comes from the smtp log and is the total
> number of recipients which depending on mm_cfg settings could be one
> smtp connection per recipient or a single smtp connection with a few
> smtp transactions with hundreds of recipients per transaction, or
> something in between. But the number is always the total recipients.
>
>
>   
>> The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and 
>> it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy 
>> increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so 
>> I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay 
>> more (so I can upgrade!).
>>
>> Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal 
>> workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in 
>> the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much.
>> 
>
>
> The mmdsr report gives you post count per list and by sender, but due
> to the mailman bug in 2.1.6 and earlier, these are usually the same
> since the sender is list-bounces.
>
> It also gives the hourly summary of posts and of messages sent, the
> latter of which is really the number of recipients, not the number of
> smtp transactions or smtp connects.
>
> It does not give you messages sent by list. In order to get that, you
> need to look at the 'post' log to get the list and from information
> and the message-id and then get the corresponding message-id entry
> from the smtp log to get the number of recipients.
>
>   
Thanks for the information. I'm tearing apart the post log because I 
want to get the total size of the message. Then I need to figure out how 
many emails where sent so I can figure out bandwidth usage. I mean if 
they send a 10K file to a list with 1,000 members that's a lot of 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 10/24/07, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>>  I guess the real question is will it do a history too? I need to figure
>>  out past history.
>
> As the author of mmdsr, I'll say that you should be able to feed it 
> old Mailman log data and have it "just work", but I won't guarantee 
> that.  If you try this and it doesn't work for you, please let me know 
> and I'll try to work with you to modify the code so that it does "just 
> work" when fed old log data.
>
>
> Keep in mind that there's a good chunk of mmdsr where it goes and 
> looks at the current status of what is in the various queue 
> directories, etc... and this obviously won't be relevant for 
> processing of historical log data.
>
> I should probably add a command-line flag so that you can tell it 
> whether to just do the summary based on the log data (which should 
> work regardless of whether the data is historical or current), or to 
> do the log data summary plus the current condition report.
>
> Let me think about that, and see if I have any time available.
>
Alright, I just ran a blanketed request that went through the whole log 
file, which was pretty nice since I haven't rotated ever. It goes back 
to April 2006. I do have some questions about the report though, and 
please forgive my ignorance. I use MM but I really haven't dove into 
like I should have so I'm still a little shaky on how things work.

According to the report one list has 14,297 posts but according to the 
Post Count by Sender report 13,797 of those posts came from 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] So does that mean that only 500 posts were made by 
members or are those 13,797 more then just commands from the members? I 
would appreciate a better explanation on that.

Also, under the Hourly Summary of Message Sent report from the smtp log. 
The totals are based on how many email addresses the message was sent 
to, correct? So if a list has 250 members it counts each message per 
member? I know that it bundles the message per connection so a single 
SMTP connect could have 100 messages in it. I just want to make sure.

The problem is that my email server is being beaten in to the ground and 
it looks like this clients lists (they have 8 or so) are seeing a heavy 
increase in membership and frequency. I need to put numbers together so 
I can tell them they need to either get a dedicated list server or pay 
more (so I can upgrade!).

Any help would be great. I'm just a bit ignorant on the internal 
workings of MM but am learning. Plus I don't know Python from a hole in 
the ground so I'm leery about messing with code to much.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

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Steven Stern wrote:
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> On 10/24/2007 06:33 PM, Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>   
>> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
>> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
>> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
>>
>> So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
>> to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
>> this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
>> level of activity.
>>
>> So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?
>> 
>
> Use mmdsr. It's in the contrib directory under your mailman install.  I
> run it from cron at 23:59 every night and get a daily report of list
> traffic.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Reporting

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Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Tom Ray [Lists] wrote:
>
>   
>> Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
>> list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
>> and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.
>> 
>
>
> See
> <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1123383&group_id=103&atid=300103>.
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[Mailman-Users] Reporting

[Tom Ray [Lists]]

Is there a way to generate a report that will tell me how many emails a 
list is sending out? I'm curious as to the traffic a few lists are doing 
and I need to see how much mail is being processed by the list.

So if the list has 400 members and it only has four emails a week sent 
to it, no big deal. But I want to see a list that has traffic on it like 
this one or something in the lines of 100 emails per day because of the 
level of activity.

So how can I tell how many messages were sent through list X?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Level's of list admin?

[Tom Kavanaugh]

Thanks for your emails.
I looked around sourceforge, and it seems that there are requests for this
patches, and people are working on it.


Tom


On 1/24/07, Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> At 1:13 PM -0800 1/24/07, Tom Kavanaugh wrote:
>
> >  Making these Project Managers as list moderators does not give them
> access
> >  to add/delete users.
> >  Is there a way to give them this access. I do not want to make them
> list
> >  admin's.
>
> Not in the current code, no.
>
> You can have site admins, who can do anything on any list anywhere on
> the site, by using the site admin password.  You can also use the
> site admin password to create lists, or you can have a separate list
> creation password.
>
> Then you have list admins, and then list moderators.  There aren't
> any other levels of list administration personnel.
>
> >  Like a lower level of list admin, where they cannot change any list
> >  parameter. But, just be able to add/remove users.
>
> You could change the source code.  I don't know how hard that would
> be to do, but there are others on this list who might be able to give
> you some guidance there.
>
> Keep in mind that there may already be patches to do this sort of
> thing.  You should look at the SourceForge patch list for Mailman, to
> see if there is anything that addresses your question.
>
> If there is not already an existing patch to achieve this
> functionality, then one thing we'd ask you to do is that once you've
> made the necessary code changes at your site to then share those with
> the rest of the community via the same patch facility.
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[Mailman-Users] Level's of list admin?

[Tom Kavanaugh]

Hello,

My mail list is running for over a year now.
Most of my mail lists are for projects, and these projects have Project
Managers.
I am considering handing over tasks like adding/deleting users to Project
Managers.

Making these Project Managers as list moderators does not give them access
to add/delete users.
Is there a way to give them this access. I do not want to make them list
admin's.

Like a lower level of list admin, where they cannot change any list
parameter. But, just be able to add/remove users.

Thanks
Tom
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Index Listing of mail lists

[Tom Kavanaugh]

I am glad that the mailman developer community are aware of this feature.

\Tom

On 10/10/06, Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> At 10:49 AM +0900 10/11/06, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >  Mailman Developers: Is the web code set up so that so that admins
> >  could fairly easily assemble these UI widgets into a page that suits
> >  their usage?
>
> Nope.  It's all hard-coded.
>
> >Or would that be a major refactoring?  Sorta like
> >  reimplementing Plone, I guess, but we really don't want to put "import
> >  plone" at the top!
>
> Something like that, or maybe re-implementing Zope.
>
> >  What I was thinking is that there could be a page generator pipeline,
> >  similar to the list processor.  Of course the objects we want to
> >  generate pages from (member lists, moderation queues, etc) would have
> >  to grow appropriate interfaces -- sounds like work! but it would be
> >  way cool.
>
> Yeah, way cool.
>
> We can't wait to see the code you're going to contribute to do this.  ;)
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[Mailman-Users] Index Listing of mail lists

[Tom Kavanaugh]

I have been using mailman at my workplace for almost a year now, and it is
working very well for us.
The number of lists are already over 50 and still growing.

One of the features I would like is to index list the mail list names.
Right now, the lists are sorted alphabetically and users have to scroll over
screens to get to lists starting with say "H".
If there is a way to setup a A-Z index hortizontally above the List name -
Description, it would be great.

Any code hacks for this feature?

Thanks
\Tom
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