[Mailman-Users] subject lines (feature request)
a question... and then a feature request. 1) i haven't tested this yet, but if you remove the "Prefix for subject line of list postings" entirely, will the list simply not prepend one? i'm assuming this is possible, but it would be nice to make that more clear in the documentation at least. 2) would it be possible to make a per-user setting to avoid this prefix on a per-user basis? i know they're very helpful for some people, but i find them annoying (and i know many others do as well). i currently strip them off using procmail, but it's a bit tricky, and doesn't work when people cross-post. the main issue i see with this would be that the list would then re-add the prefix for other subscribers, and so responses to messages without the prefix would get lots and lots of Re: lines. currently i do something like: :0 * ^Return-Path: -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: html in digests
Lil Peck, QHTimes.com Quarter Horse community wrote: > I would like to hear about solutions or work-arounds to avoid the html > code that appears in the digests. This is particularly a problem for > my subscribers who have aol addresses. I'm finding it nearly > impossible to train my subscribers to all send their posts as plain > text to begin with. you might want to look at demime and / or stripmime. both are linked in the mailman faq. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Handling HTML mail...
Frederick Noronha wrote: > Increasingly, a lot of (Windows, specially) mail is being sent out in HTML > too. Is there some way Mailman could strip this please? FN > PS: Below is a note from a friend who is helping us set up and run the > lists. read the mailman faq. use a utility like stripmime or demime to remove the HTML / other mime gunk first. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] virtual hosting / list name
so i have a question, which it seems other people may have experienced... is there any way to change the email addresses that mailman sends out to list admins / subscribers? here's an example: i have a domain will.invalid and a mailing list named list. we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the "list-name": [EMAIL PROTECTED] even though aliases point: [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the actual list post. is there any way to make mailman report the shorter name (without breaking the list)? -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: virtual hosting / list name
Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: > Will Yardley wrote: > > we use a virtual hosting setup, so we actually make the "list-name": > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > even though aliases point: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to the actual list post. > I take a different approach: > > - I create just the way I want it named (for example: test) > > - Sendmail's virtusertable does the following translation: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] test-lists.domain.net [...] > - The Alias file takes care of the rest (lines wrapped): > ## [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list > ## created: 13-Dec-2000 root > test-lists.domain.net: \ > "|/home/mailman/lists.domain.net/mail/wrapper post test" > This allows me to have multiple 'test' lists across multiple domains, > on the same machine, all behaving as separate lists. (This also means > I have multiple MM installations.) hrmm that seems like an interesting way to do things. do you use an automated system to create each one? i think a variation on this might fit our needs pretty well (although a way to simply change the email address sent by mailman would, of course, be nicer :>) do you use symbolic links for commands and just create a new directory structure for the data directories and stuff? seems like having lots of full mailman installations might be a major headache when it comes time to upgrade (keep in mind that we have about 10-12k customers and are now starting to allow unlimited discussion lists on all plans)... -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Virtual Hosting Faq ??
Francesca C Smith wrote: > Just wondering if there is a FAQ out there somewhere that describes > basic Virtual Host set-up ??? well there was a thread on this just yesterday, so you might check the archives. > Im thinking you have to install the software for each domain in its > own directory ?? that's the solution that one person suggested (we currently use the ugly hack of naming the list [EMAIL PROTECTED], although [EMAIL PROTECTED] is made an alias. it would be nice if you could change the email address that the list sends out and so on, but currently we're leaning towards the second solution. i'm imagining (as mentioned in my other mail), that instead of full multiple installations, simply creating symolic links for all of the program directories, and then creating new directories for all the data. > Just some ideas on how this is done would be appreciated .. (Not stuff > like .configure settings .. That I can handle ) Just the basic steps > .. HTH. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] weird locking problems
i've been having some problems with our mailman installation at the office. it's mailman 2.0.8 from the debian package (so the installation is a bit weird, to conform with debian policy etc. etc.), but seems to work pretty well most of the time. the archives are from an older mailman installation, and are mounted over NFS on a filer (which tends to crap out occasionally). i'm moving the files to a slightly less crappy filer, which might help somewhat... anyway the problem is that there are lock files, which don't have a date or time on them. if i create files in that directory, they have a date / time as they should, but the lock files look like: -rw-rw-r--2 list list 41 Mar 29 2002 adm.lock -rw-rw-r--2 list list 41 Mar 29 2002 adm.lock.ladd.9136 -rw-rw-r--1 list list 41 Mar 29 2002 adm.lock.ladd.9249 if i do: % touch booger i get: -rw-r--r--1 root list0 Mar 29 17:26 booger my guess is this is because of NFS. the time on the two machines is synchronized via NTP, so the time on both machines is the same. the locks directory itself (and all of the other mailman directories) are on a local drive - just the archive and mbox files are mounted via NFS. generally, removing the locks fixes the problem (which happens once or twice a day). -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: weird locking problems
Dan Mick wrote: > What you're seeing is that the lock file timestamp is in the future, > and that's by design; the file timestamp is used as the 'expiration > time' to break stale locks. It's normal behavior. Do you think it's > causing problems? > > (This 'feature' of ls is not well known, but that's what it does for > times in the future.) that was what i thought (the future timestamp). however on other installations of mailman i hadn't noticed this (although now that i look, all of the locks on the other machines are pretty old, so perhaps time caught up with them...). in any event, i wasn't sure if this was the problem; however removing the locks generally fixes the problems (ie messages on the list won't appear and after removing the locks, they do). in any event, i suspect either nfs problems or something weird with debian's installation. also, some of the config files and all of the archive / mbox files are from an older installation of mailman, so it's possible that something's screwed up that way. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: generating HTML archives?
Chris Spencer wrote:
> I have installed and configured mailman on Debian using apache for the
> web server.
>
> I am able to send mail to the list and perform all list management, etc
> successfully.
>
> However, the archives are not being generated at all, though the full
> body of the messages is available.
>
> Any ideas where I should start?
do you have the alias for /pipermail in your apache config?
have you looked in /var/lib/mailman/archives/{public|private} to see if
the html archives are actually being generated?
are there any errors in the mailman logs?
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman HTML filter ?
Tom van Wietmarschen wrote: > > Is there a way to filter HTML mail sent to a Mailman mailing list ? > (the HTML has to be converted to plain text). > Some users on the mailing list keep sending HTML mail (hotmail...) which > is kinda annoying. read the faq... and / or do a google search for 'demime'. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2.1b1 error?
Peter Bengtson wrote: > When trying to upgrade to 2.1b1 on Linux 7.1, the following appears > when trying to go beyond any administration logon screen: wow - i thought the linux kernel was only up to 2.5.7... where'd you get this "linux" 7.1 from? perhaps you're referring to red hat linux v7.1? -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman and qmail
abw wrote:
> I asked this question earlier and didn't quite get a clear response, so I
> will post it again. I apologize if I have missed any other lectures about
> it.
(i think you posted it twice in fact). i responded to your other
message, although from the wrong address.
> I'm not positive on this, but I don't know what else it can be. The
> mailing list installs fine, but the alias file doesn't seem to update.
> I looked as best for an answer on google, but all I found were others
> who are trying to use qmail and mailman, no real answers. It almost
> seems that mailman doesn't recognize any of the email addresses sent
> to it. Maybe the aliases file has something to do with this problem?
> The two valid addresses are clearly in the administration panel on his
> list.
did you read README.QMAIL in the source directory?
not to be rude, but are you using the dot forward package, which is
required for qmail to read standard /etc/aliases style alias files?
by default, qmail uses individual files for aliases instead of one large
flat file.
have you considered switching to EZMLM (which is designed for qmail) or
switching to postfix as your MTA?
> Has anybody had success with this? I can't figure out whats wrong. My
> guess is there is a configuration problem somewhere, but where?
> Mailman? Aliases? Any suggestions?
post your logs. read README.QMAIL. write a script to generate the right
type of alias files for qmail, or use dot-forward.
the fact that you posted your question twice and didn't include any
logs, or any relevant information other than "it doesn't work" probably
had something to do with the fact that no one responded.
a script like this might work (watch any line wrapping your mail client
might do).
zugzug% cat makenewlist.sh
#!/bin/sh
for f in $*
do echo "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post ${f}" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f
echo "|home/mailman/wrapper mailowner ${f}" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f-admin
echo "&{f}-admin" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f-owner
echo "|/home/mailman/wrapper mailcmd ${f}" > /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-$f-request
done
actually in the README.QMAIL file, there's a better example:
#!/bin/sh
if [ $# = 1 ]; then
i=$1
echo Making links to $i...
echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post $i" > .qmail-$i
echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-admin
echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-$i-owner
echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner $i" > .qmail-owner-$i
echo "|preline /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd $i" > .qmail-$i-request
fi
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[Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
Vik wrote: > > Does anyone have any experience doing this (running 2.x on a debian/stable > system)? with a little editing, you can build the unstable package on -stable. i've also built from source on -stable. if you're already using the package, you might want to use the packaged version, since debian puts stuff in weird (ie conforming to debian policy) places. you'll need the debianutils and dh-make packages if you don't already have them. i think i needed to comment out the dh_installman line from debian/rules in the source package as well. so basically 1) install the debianutils dpkg-dev and dh-make packages if necessary. 1.5) edit sources list so that you're getting testing or unstable source packages. 2) apt-get source mailman 3) edit mailman-2.0.8/debian/rules as necessary (i think just commenting out the dh_installman line is sufficient). 4) (from within the source directory) $ fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage 5) # cd .. ; dpkg -i mailman*deb -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: upgrading from 1.1 to 2.0.8
Vik wrote: > > yeah - I did all of this, it worked fine on my test system; I'm just a bit > worried about the current lists on the production system - will it work > with lists (and archives) created by mailman 1? well it *should*. i installed the debian package of 2.0.8 on a woody machine, and was able to (with minimal editing / symlinking etc.) to get it to play nice with files / archives from 1.x, and that was installed from source originally. so my guess is that it will work, but definitely backup your old installation first :> -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman does not like QMAIL ?
ajit k jena wrote: [i think you've sent your message twice now] > I am trying to setup mailing lists using Mailman. I use Sun Solaris > 2.8 on Sparc. My mail delivery system is QMAIL. > > I have defined a mailing list called mtest. However, attempts to > subscribe to the list donot succeed. They just get into the Mailbox > of the user "mailman". > > I am sure there are many who have the QMAIL+MAILMAN combination > working. Can anybody please help me set it up correctly ? have you read README.QMAIL in the mailman source? perhaps you could provide some more specifics of how you have mailman and qmail configured, some log errors or *something* you might also check out EZMLM, which is an MLM for qmail. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailma queueing messages ?
Rob wrote: > Hello mailman seems to be queuing messages in ~mailman/qfiles please start a new thread when posting a new message, rather than replying to an existing subject and changing the subject line. it's not the same thing.... -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailma queueing messages ?
Rob wrote: > Hello mailman seems to be queuing messages in ~mailman/qfiles please start a new thread when posting a new message, rather than replying to an existing subject and changing the subject line. it's not the same thing.... -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Including from field in body
James Blackwell wrote: > We've got mailman set up here and it's working great. However, we've > had a request that I am unable to fullfill. Maybe someone can either > point me in the right direction, or at least tell me that it isn't > possible in mailman. one possibility would be to use procmail or another mail filter type thingie to modify the headers before piping the message to mailman. there may be an easier way to do this, but that's the only way i can think of. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Force /mailman/admin to use SSL ?
Mark Moshe Kaye wrote: > > I have enabled SSL on my web site and I would like to know how i can > cause anyone that accesses http://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/ to > default to the SSL enabled page (https://www.xxx.com/mailman/admin/) ? this is more a webserver configuration issue than a mailman issue. if you're using apache, you could probably use mod_rewrite to do this; there are a number of ways of doing what you ask. i'd suggest asking this in a forum for whatever webserver software you're using. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman 2.0.9 attachment questions
Egemen Ergel wrote: > Is it possible to prevent people sending attachments to the mailing list? use demime or stripmime (see the faq) -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: looking for hosting provider...
joshua d. wachs wrote: > Hi... I am looking to get a group I run (actually a few of them...) off of > Yahoo Groups (ick) and onto Mailman. I don't currently have a box running > that can host this and was wondering if anyone knew of any commercial > hosting companies that support Mailman? The company I work for (http://dreamhost.com/) has mailman discussion lists (using Mailman) integrated into all of our plans, which start around $10 a month. We've had several customers move to us for the same reason (moving off Yahoo groups), and the moves seem to have been successful. It's not integrated into our panel yet, but we also offer the option to process your list using demime (to strip out MIME attachments and HTML mail)... -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Line wrapping in archives.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > After I posted this, I found the thread on "long lines". However, I > don't want to change the way mail is sent, I just want to change how > messages appear in the archives. > > I understand that MHonArc can handle this, but I use pipermail for my > archives. > > So, these are two separate issues. > > The reason given in the other thread - line wrapped URLs won't work - > is not valid on an HTML page. So, for the archives, it seems like a > good thing to wrap the message body to avoid horizontal scrolling. > > If anyone has managed to make this happen, your help would be much > appreciated! you could pipe the archives through fmt or par, perhaps. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Double Opt-In?
David Gibbs wrote: > "Michael Keukert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > I'm using Smartlist at the moment, but I need a mailing list manager > > which provides double opt-in features. > > Does Mailman has it? > > Based on the definition of double opt-in that someone pointed me to, I would > say the answer is yes. Note that "double opt-in" is a loaded term, used mostly by spammers. ALL opt-in that's actually "opt-in" is confirmed 'confirmed opt-in' is also a good term. I can't connect to it right now, but there is a more detailed explanation of the term (and the anti-spam community's objections to it) at: http://www.spamfaq.net/ -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: Problem enforcing text/plain posts only policy
alex wetmore wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: >> On 7/16/02 10:47 PM, "JC Dill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I'd be more surprised if your ISP would refuse to do it. Stripping MIME >>> off mailing list destined posts makes everyone's life easier. >> Except that's not where things are headed. Especially when you start >> dealing with non-english language stuff. Instead, we need to >> selectively strip UNSAFE content and stop going to LCD situations. A message with a content-type of text/plain can still contain non-english characters, no? >> But I know from previous discussions you won't agree with me on >> this, and I won't push the agenda right now... > Mailman needs to have better support for MIME in digests and archives > before not stripping all MIME makes sense. My users who were happiest > when I started stripping all MIME were the digest recipients who > previously had to wade through raw MIME. You can tell Mailman to send > digests with each message as a MIME attachment, but that is harder for > most people to browse using common MUAs. > > Two of the four stripping tools mentioned in the FAQ allow for > selective stripping of content. I'll agree that my tool (stripmime) > takes the most drastic approach of stripping everything. FWIW, SYMPA is supposedly MIME aware (I haven't played with it at all). It also has some encryption features that sound cool. I agree that stripping MIME to lists is generally a good idea, especially where the archives are concerned. Personally, I rarely / never send attachments to mailing lists, since it's usually easier to put the file up and let people retrieve it via http or FTP... and I try to avoid sending PGP/MIME messages on the rare occasions i sign messages to a list. I'm almost invariably happy when lists I'm on have demime (or stripmime or whatever) installed, as it gets rid of all matter of annoyances. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Re: throwing away attachments [?]
CJoe wrote: > I wonder how I can get Mailman to trash all kinds of attachments > (html and whatever may be attached to the plain text part of the > email) before messages are sent to the distribution list. > > This attachment issue is a real pain because it is the vector of > all destructive code spreading. > > Please, include a copy of your mail to my mailbox as I am in > digest mode. Thank you. see the faq install something like demime or stripmime. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: PDF file attachments?
Billie Carroll wrote: > Can I send a pdf file as an attachment to a list? sure. however with 2.0 and earlier, mailman is not MIME-aware, so it will just look like a lot of gibberish in the archives. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman postfix howto
fanatic wrote: > I don't know whether this is the right place to ask ... but anyway : > does any of you have a good howto to make mailman run with > postfix and debian ? apt-get install postfix apt-get install mailman works out of the box for me :> (just put the aliases in /etc/aliases) -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mail server configuration
Davin Dahlgren wrote: > I know this isn't strictly related to Mailman, but if anyone out there > knows the answer, let me know. I am setting up a new Linux installation > and have directed a domain name to point to it. I can pull up my web > page from the web server, but email does not get through. I can send > email out, but it does not get back in. Does anyone know what else I > need to do to get this server set up and ready for Mailman to receive > mail? You'd be more likely to get information if you let us know what MTA you're using, what variety of Linux you're using, etc. Also, I think you will find that your logs can be very useful in terms of figuring out what the problem is And, of course, you should make sure that your MTA is listening on the external interfaces. Just making a guess, but if you're running Dead rat linux with Sendmail as the MTA, you'll probably need to reconfigure Sendmail to listen on the main interface - IIRC, by default it only listens on the loopback interface. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: word wrap rap?
Sarah Boone wrote: > When a plain text/text only email posted to a Mailman list originates > from Eudora, the body of the text word wraps; when a plain-text email > originates from Microsoft Outlook 2000, a line of text continues ad > infinitum. How can this be changed so that the text wraps in Mailman? This is a client side issue... Outlook can be configured to wrap lines but doesn't by default. Try (nicely) asking people to reconfigure their clients; alternatively, you could pipe the body of messages to the list through some sort of formatting program (par or fmt might work)... this could have some unintended side effects, however. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
Angel Gabriel wrote: > I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list? > Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off > the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the > difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because > of a non existent user? The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
JC Dill wrote: > On 07:57 PM 9/17/02, Will Yardley wrote: >> The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... >> The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of >> automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will. > I'm managing a list running under 2.0.13 which has automatic bounce > handling (found at the administrative website at > domain-name/mailman/admin/listname/bounces) with the following settings: G. Armour Van Horn wrote: > Au contraire! Every version of Mailman I've used (back to 2.0.4, now on 2.0.12+) > has handled bounced message with aplomb. Check out: > > http:///mailman/admin//bounce J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700 > Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... > False. The admin will receive copies of bounce messages that Mailman > was unable to reliably process. > > The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of > > automatic bounce handling; ... > > False. Mailman v 2.0 has a poorly documented bounce handling system > that works reasonably (not well, not horribly). Its largely > unconfigurable beyond what action to take on bouncers (nomail, > unsubscribe, etc). Ok, ok. I stand 100% corrected. It's been a while since I've delved into the "bounce" menu, and since I do receive bounce messages occasionally (apparently the ones Mailman can't process) I figured that Mailman didn't currently do this. Sorry for spreading inaccurate information... -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Stopping PGP signatures
Richard Hill wrote: > Apologies if this has been covered. I didn't find it in list threads or > FAQs. > > Is the a way to strip PGP signatures from messages? Will Mime stripping > software take care of this as well? Demime / stripmime etc. will strip PGP/MIME sigs but won't strip traditional (clearsigned) messages. I believe this is probably the behavior you want. Given the fact that most MUAs do not support PGP/MIME and many can't read PGP/MIME messages at all, I don't think that demiming this type of attachment is a bad idea at all. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mail List Encryption
Norbert Bollow wrote: > > I do I setup Mailman so that all emails being sent out are encrypted? > > Or do I need to specify this in the Sendmail? > > This is not trivial at all; I think the most tricky issue will > probably be the matter of key management (and this definately needs to > be done at "Mailman" level, not at the "sendmail" level; the technical > details will be a topic for mailman-developers, not mailman-users. > > > Any clue? Thanks for any inputs. IIRC, sympa has some support for encrypted lists, although it may only have support for S/MIME encryption. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] cookies on beta version
I just started testing the beta version of mailman (2.1b3 in this case) on one of my machines. My friend was complaining about having to re-authenticate each time in OS X IE. He was able to fix the problem by switching to Mozilla. However, now, I'm having hte same problem. I'm using Mozilla 1.0 on FreeBSD, and yes... cookies are enabled. I'm asked to re-authenticate every time I switch to a different page. If I remove my cookies.txt file and restart Mozilla, the problem seems to go away - I'll write back if the problem turns back up. I also noticed it's *really* hard to download the beta version from the Mailman site - is this intentional? Even if I go to the specific site for the beta version, the only links I can find are to the sourceforge page (where I was able to download the beta), or the link to the stable version. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: force plain text format mail
Patrick Hsieh wrote: > > Is there any way to configure mailman to convert HTML mail to plain text > format before delivery? If not, is there any patch available? See the FAQ. Either use the beta version or pipe mail through demime or stripmime first. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: members of a list
Elisha Wong wrote: > Just wonder if I get a text file of all the members of a list > I could not find any options in the web interface $mailman_base/bin/list_members -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] confirm problems with beta mailman?
The first time I tried the email confirm / reject function of mailman 2.1b3 it worked, but since then, it isn't working. I can provide more information, logs or headers if necessary. Saw one weird bit in the error log, but from about 20 minutes before I first tried to discard the message via email. * original message (some headers removed): From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: confirm 8a73a2be104ba0be21f1516299b4d8f3d00b4483 If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. * My reply: From: XX at code404 dot com (Will Yardley) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: confirm 8a73a2be104ba0be21f1516299b4d8f3d00b4483 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Status: RO Content-Length: 443 Lines: 11 * And the response: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: XX at code404 dot com Subject: The results of your email commands Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 01:32:10 -0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [other headers and junk snipped] - Results: Invalid confirmation string. Note that confirmation strings expire approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request. If your confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request or message. Checked, and the message is still pending. Sent the "confirmation" well within 3 days. BTW, why not have the message itself sent with the confirmation string rather than as a third rfc822 attachment? Seems like people with brain damaged MTAs would have an easier time responding to those. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Re: One Button Direct Subscription
David Padilla wrote: > I should have been more clear. I want to create direct subscription to > announcement only lists, similiar to those see ALL over the net. You > know those, add your e-mail and become subscirbed to our next > newletter, or anouncement, etc. Well in any event, you should confirm the subscription; otherwise anyone can subscribe anyone else to your list. This is known as confirmed opt-in, and if you don't use a system like this, you're very likely to get booted by your ISP for spamming. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: spam
J C Lawrence wrote: > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:42:33 -0700 (PDT) alex wetmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is very easy to forge the From: line in email. If a spammer forges > > the From: line to have a user which is on your list then it will go > > through. This isn't really a problem that Mailman itself can solve. > > v2.1 authenticates on envelope as well. Does it do this by default? This sounds like a bad idea as forging the envelope-sender is pretty trivial (and common), and there's no reason that the envelope-sender needs to match the 'From:' header. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: preferred sendmail replacement?
Jon Parise wrote: > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 07:57:45PM -0700, NOW Website Coordinator wrote: > This has the potential to be come religious, but ... Indeed! >> What sendmail replacement are you using for your Unix (preferably >> Solaris) machine? Is it reliable? Fast (how big are your lists)? >> Not too hard to configure and use? > I've had excellent luck with Postfix. Configuration is always a > breeze, and performance is quite good. In terms of Mailman, the > integration is quite good (in the Mailman 2.1 branch). > > I've also heard good things about exim, but I've never run it myself. > > I used to run qmail (mainly for ezmlm), but I got tired of the > "non-standard" way it handled things (e.g. .qmail files), switched to > Postfix, and never looked back. I'll second the recommendation for Postfix (and I think that Mailman development is done on Postfix as well). I use Postfix on small boxes with one user (ie my own), as well as machines with upwards of 25k users, and on FreeBSD, Linux, and Solaris 8. I'm very happy with its performance, ease of use, flexibility and ease of installation / Sendmail compatibility. It also has a great (and helpful) user community. I'm not a big fan of qmail, although I've used it in the past. See http://lifewithoutqmail.org/. Exim would also be worth looking into. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: installation question.
Yogesh Chaudhary wrote: > I want to install mailman on a netApp filer disk space using NFS and > be able to use it with a mail server( linux machine). Is it posible to > do it ? how do I do that. I believe it should work; however you want to make sure that file locking is working properly. There are some kernel patches (I'm not sure which ones) that we use to get locking to work; there are still occasional problems, but for the most part things work well. I've run mailman over NFS with a way cheaper (and suckier) NAS than the NetApps and it works OK there too. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Carriage Return in Archives
John DeCarlo wrote: > J C Lawrence wrote: >> On Fri, 15 Nov 2002 14:22:25 -0500 John DeCarlo wrote: > I guess I should have been more precise. Any decent MUA over the past > 10-20 years should not insert extra characters in the user's message. > If the user wants to put in a line break after every word, or only > after every 1000 word paragraph, that is the user's decision. If the > user wants to have a fancy looking poem with words centered, that > should be a user decision. What's a decent MUA that *doesn't* wrap at around 72 characters? Whether or not you like it, at least as far as technical mailing lists and Usenet go, you're supposed to wrap at < 80 characters for email messages and Usenet posts. Pine, Mozilla, Eudora, Apple mail and Netscape, and most other mailers I've used all do this by default. OE doesn't always seem to, but we all know about how great a mailer it is Most people don't use the builtin editor in Mutt, and ELM doesn't have one AFAIK - but most people who use these mailers configure their editors to wrap. I had an argument with a co-worker about this -- and in the middle of the argument pointed out that his mailer (Apple Mail) was (correctly) doing the very thing he was advocating against. >> 3) Not all text can be reflowed without losing data. > Exactly. You want it reflowed when the MUA creates the email message. > I disagree. Let the receiver decide how to view it. Then the > receiver can turn on word wrap at 30 characters or 72 or 185 or not > every turn it on at all. The only sensible way to deal with this problem is to use flowed text (like Eudora, Mozilla and Apple Mail). Mutt supports this too, but there aren't any console based editors which can do this yet AFAIK. If you read the RFC for format=flowed text, you'll see that it specifically recommends wrapping at ~72 characters except in certain cases. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646.txt 3. The Text/Plain media type is the lowest common denominator of Internet email, with lines of no more than 997 characters (by convention usually no more than 80), and where the CRLF sequence represents a line break [MIME-IMT]. [...] 4.1. Generating Format=Flowed When generating Format=Flowed text, lines SHOULD be shorter than 80 characters. As suggested values, any paragraph longer than 79 characters in total length could be wrapped using lines of 72 or fewer characters. While the specific line length used is a matter of aesthetics and preference, longer lines are more likely to require rewrapping and to encounter difficulties with older mailers. It has been suggested that 66 character lines are the most readable. [...] A generating agent SHOULD NOT insert white space into a word (a sequence of printable characters not containing spaces). If faced with a word which exceeds 79 characters (but less than 998 characters, the [SMTP] limit on line length), the agent SHOULD send the word as is and exceed the 79-character limit on line length. >>> It is really a kludge to force the sender to put in line breaks >>> every 72 characters. >> Nope. This argument was fought and quite properly lost almost 20 >> years ago. > No. The result back then was "it is more polite to word wrap at > sending time because so many brain-damaged message viewers are out > there. But it is still a messy and hopefully short-lived kludge." Well the convention is still to use the lowest common denominator and wrap at < 80 characters (generally 72-74). -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Multiple Servers for a List?
David Richards wrote: > How about Ian's original idea, about keeping certain directories in sync?? > Which directories would that have to be, and can a straight 'cp -R' acheive > the syncing?? rsync might be better (and faster) than cp -R or cp -Rp. I think using NFS would probably be better assuming that your nfs server and kernel deal with locking properly, but I don't know how much risk there would be with this method. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] HTML mail (was Re: Can I approve a mailing from the command line?)
Any chance the list admin could turn on the feature that gets rid of HTML in this list? It's annoying to have multipart MIME messages with 3 parts (text / html / list footer) instead of one ascii text message. Of course if people would just not send HTML mail to the list, that would be even better, but we all know how likely that is to happen. -- Will Yardley input: william < @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] cc headers in 2.1
Since upgrading to 2.1, I notice that instead of: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Realname [EMAIL PROTECTED], "John Q. Doe" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] The headers appear as: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Realname [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "John Q. Doe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this for aesthetic or technical reasons, and is there a way to turn this behavior off? I didn't see anything in Defaults.py or in the web interface that would allow changing this, but perhaps I'm missing something. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] [Bug] Cookie from older version
If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to re-login for every page until you manually clear the cookie from your browser (after upgrading to 2.1). Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not simple to remove an individual cookie. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [Bug] Cookie from older version
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 09:14:05AM +, Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-03 at 13:37, Will Yardley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > If you have an old cookie from Mailman 2.0.x, you'll have to re-login > > for every page until you manually clear the cookie from your browser > > (after upgrading to 2.1). > > > > Is there any way to fix this in the future? With some browsers, it's not > > simple to remove an individual cookie. > > On WinBlows, you can delete individual cookies in the "Temporary > Internet Files" directory. > > In Netscape and clones there's usually a cookies / cookies.txt file > > Opera has cookies.dat > > They can be edited. I said "with *some* browsers. Chimera on Mac OS X is one (you can edit the cookies.txt file by hand, but not from the menu AFAIK). In any event, the issue is also that many people won't know that they need to remove the cookie in the first place, and many people wouldn't know how to do it if they could. There are people other than geeks who run, admin, or moderate lists using Mailman, y'know... -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: 'Pre-sales' questions...
On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:06:22PM +, Simon White wrote: > 29-Jan-03 at 09:32, Abbo Peterson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : > > Before I consider Mailman as a newsletter mail list solution, I have a > > few questions. I hope you have time to answer them... I hope the 'Pre-sales' part is a joke... > > - KEY: Is the header/footer feature supported when using email formats > > other than plain text? > I *think* so, but I'd have to run a test for you. Perhaps someone else > can confirm? Yes... this will work with 2.1 (but not earlier versions). -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] feature request (email confirmation)
It seems like it would be nice to setup a method of confirmation for *approving* messages that uses a unique token instead of the list password; while (hopefully) in most cases, the moderator will be sending approval messages over SSL or from the same machine the list is on, it seems like a bad idea to make the confirmation token the list password (especially in case you accidentally add the 'Approved:' header to the wrong message, or in case someone spoofed a message appearing to be from Mailman in order to try and scam list passwords) How about generating a unique one time password and having people add this to the Approved: header? This would make it much harder for someone to accidentally disclose the list (or worse, site) password. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] https link on admindb page (bug?)
If I go to: https://mailman.example.com/mailman/admin/listname the links all still work via SSL (which is good); however when I go to: https://mailman.example.com/mailman/admindb/listname the 'Submit' button points to the insecure (non-ssl) version; since we deny access to the non-ssl version from outside our office network, this obviously creates problems. This is with 2.1 on Debian Linux - we're using the Debian package on that machine, so I haven't upgraded yet. I have a 2.1.1 machine I can test this on, but just wondering if people have run into this problem and if there's an easy workaround. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: plain text vs html email (no footers in html email)
On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:42:44PM -0900, Andy Firman wrote: > > Couple of quick questions to the Mailman gurus. > And I apologize in advance if this is not appropriate for this list. I think almost all of your problems will be fixed if you upgrade to Mailman v 2.1.1. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Another feature request (for email commands)
A couple other feature requests 1) A setting which lets people confirm their own messages (as with TMDA) - this way lists can stay open but still require some sort of confirmation before letting a message through. 2) The response from email confirmation is the same, whether or not the message is approved or discarded. Either way, it says: "Confirmation succeeded" Which is true, perhaps, but misleading and not that helpful... It would be better if it said something like: "Command succeeded. Action taken: Message discarded." or "Command succeeded. Action taken: Post approved." -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Another feature request (for email commands)
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:26:30PM -0800, J C Lawrence wrote: > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:41:53 -0800 > Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A couple other feature requests 1) A setting which lets people > > confirm their own messages (as with TMDA) - this way lists can stay > > open but still require some sort of confirmation before letting a > > message through. > You're aware of my TMDA integration HOWTO on the user FAQ? Yes, but it seems like the functionality is already pretty much there (ie an email is sent if a message is held, and the poster can cancel their message), so it seems like it would be pretty simple to add the ability to confirm the message too. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Postfix version? (Was Re: Mailman and Postfix *2*?)
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 10:29:20PM -0700, LuKreme wrote: > On Monday, Feb 24, 2003, at 09:28 Canada/Mountain, John Redmond wrote: > >I installed 2.1 with Postfix 2.0.3 and all appears well. Mind you > >this is based on simple testing with low traffic, as I'm just getting > >ready to test with for actual users! > Curiously, I can't seem to figure out what version of postfix is > installed. There's no version flag that I can see in the man page. I > mean, I THINK I am running 2.0.0.2, but that's just based on a faint > recollection of installing that version. postconf mail_version -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Archives and Attachments
On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:02:45PM -0800, Staven Bruce wrote: > We are using Mailman 2.0.13 with Sendmail 8.12 on a RedHat Linux 8.0 system. > > We send 'Word' and '.pdf' documents once a month or so to our mailing list. > Is there a way for these files to be retained as separate attachments in > their respective e-mails in the archives, so the entire original e-mail can > be retrieved later, or will the attachments always be formatted into the > body of the e-mail message in the archives? Upgrade to 2.1.1. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] problem restarting with stale pid file
Mailman 2.1.1 installed from source on FreeBSD 4.6 (with the same options as the port uses) roland# /usr/local/mailman/bin/version Using Mailman version: 2.1.1 roland# diff /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman.sh /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl roland# [ from /usr/local/mailman/logs/ ] roland# ../bin/mailmanctl -s Primary start-up and shutdown script for Mailman's qrunner daemon. [ snip rest of help output ] However doing this: roland# ../bin/mailmanctl stop Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner No child with pid: 69775 [Errno 3] No such process Stale pid file removed. roland# ../bin/mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. works. This has happened twice as the result of a system crash (loss of power). Any ideas on making mailman start after a crash even if there's a stale pidfile? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: sitewide list
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 04:21:45PM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 15:48, Mark McEahern wrote: > > 3. Is there any reason to display this site-wide list in the list of lists > > displayed by listinfo? > No. This should always be a private list. I was wondering about this - the default for Mailman in general seems to be public lists; is there a way for the install process to make the "mailman" list *default* to being a private list? When I added a "mailman" list in the course of upgrading Mailman, I forgot to check this, and realized a month or so later that it had been created as a public list. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: subscribers' passwords
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:09:24AM -0500, Duke wrote: > I recently installed Mailman, replacing Majordomo, and I just used the > mass subscription feature and fed it my Majordomo subscriber lists. I'm > wondering what, if any, my subscribers' initial passwords are, or how I > could set them. I think a random password is assigned to each subscriber when you mass-subscribe. The passwords are sent to the subscribers in the monthly password reminders, so you could just run whatever is in the mailman crontab; probably something like: python /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds - this would mail all subscribers their passwords. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] list.org not resolving
[ bcc to the address in the SOA field ] DNS for list.org seems to be messed up - there's still an MX record, but no A record for list.org or www.list.org (at any of the 3 nameservers for the zone). Is this intentional? Is there a new URL for the Mailman site / FAQ? aura% dig @NS4.BILOW.COM list.org any ; <<>> DiG 9.3.0s20020703 <<>> @NS4.BILOW.COM list.org any ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 26801 ;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 4 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;list.org. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: list.org. 7200IN MX 100 colossus.bilow.com. list.org. 7200IN MX 10 mail.zork.org. list.org. 7200IN NS ns4.bilow.com. list.org. 7200IN NS ns3.bilow.com. list.org. 7200IN NS ns1.zork.org. list.org. 7200IN SOA ns.bilow.com. mike.bilow.com. 2003031202 3600 1800 604800 7200 -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: filtering Importance headers
On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 02:47:24PM -0500, Erez Zadok wrote: > Is there a way that Mailman can remove certain headers before a > message is posted to a list? In particular, I want to remove the > "Importance" header, which some posters will set to "high" or > "urgent" unnecessarily. Some MUAs do all kinds of things users > dislike for high-priority mails. > > Note: I don't want to reject such posts automatically, b/c their > content may still be valuable, just not as urgent as the sender > thinks. My guess is that the easiest way to do this would be using a simple Perl script, and pipe incoming messages through this script before they hit Mailman at all. You could also use Procmail / formail. AFAIK, there's no way to do this within Mailman itself. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
On Fri, Mar 28, 2003 at 01:38:15PM -0500, Sullivan, John wrote: > Ahh that's my problem - I can NOT connect to port 25. > > Can someone help me out with trying to get that working? My deadline is > quickly approaching and I am nervous. It sounds from your original message like you're using Red Hat. I seem to recall that Red Hat's default config doesn't listen on external interfaces. There's an article on this in the FAQ. http://www.sendmail.org/faq/section5.html#5.3.1.3 Perhaps this will help? -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 01:34:02AM -0500, Jon Carnes wrote: > In DNS you would have something like: > lists.mlsnet.com.A 216.216.23.43 >MX 10 lists.mlsnet.com >MX 100 mail.mlsnet.com > > In this scenario all mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be delivered to > lists.mlsnet.com. If that server does not respond then the mail will be > queued up on your main mail server: mail.mlsnet.com > > This assumes that you can setup the other mail server to act as a > secondary. If not, then just leave it off. > > And "yes" virginia, you *do* need an MX record. If you don't have an MX > record then any mail to lists.mlsnet.com will be dumped out to your main > mail server (using your domains MX record). You could setup some > internal routes on that server to shuffle mail over to lists.mlsnet.com, > but that would be counter to your stated intention of moving the load > away from the main mail server. ??? If there's an 'A' record for lists.mlsnet.com, and this is the host they want mail for lists.mlsnet.com to be delivered to, there is no need for an MX record. It's good practice to have one, but it's absolutely not required. And if you're trying to say that (if an MX record for lists.mlsnet.com is absent) mail for lists.mlsnet.com will be delivered to the machine that's the MX record for mlsnet.com itself, you are completely, 100% wrong. -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Do I need an MX Record
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 03:57:47PM -0500, Sullivan, John wrote: > OK - But how do I get lists.mlsnet.com to relay mail to the mlsnet.com > mail server. Subcribers from the mlsnet.com domain are not receiving > any news letters sent out from the lists.mlsnet.com server. I am > getting a connection timed out when it tries to contact the external > MX records. > > I have added an entry in my hosts file that looks like this: > > 10.10.10.1 mlsnet.com > > > which is the internal ip of the mlsnet.com mail server. This isn't a mailman question, but rather a MTA configuration question. What's the result of (from lists.mlsnet.com): % dig mlsnet.com mx % cat /etc/resolv.conf Can you send normal mail from that machine to users at mlsnet.com? In other words, does something like this: % echo 'blah' | mail -s "test" [EMAIL PROTECTED] (where [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a valid address at this domain) work? What is in your logs? -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Internal Domain Resolution
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 12:10:59PM -0500, Sullivan, John wrote: > Here is a chunk of the maillog file. > > > Mar 31 12:01:57 localhost sendmail[780]: h2SKs2Rg011995: > to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=2+20:07:55, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, > pri=6439538, relay=mail.majorleaguesoccer.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: > Connection timed out with mail.majorleaguesoccer.com. > > Mar 31 12:01:57 localhost sendmail[780]: h2R14iRf002505: > to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, delay=4+15:57:12, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, > pri=10488802, relay=mail.majorleaguesoccer.com., dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: > Connection timed out with mail.majorleaguesoccer.com. Can you reach port 25 on mail.majorleaguesoccer.com from the lists machine? Does this work? % telnet mail.majorleaguesoccer.com smtp Sounds like a networking (or maybe DNS resolution) problem. -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] possible bug with mail confirmation
I wrote earlier about some suggested improvements with the confirmation by mail function. Here's another thing - if you insert an 'Approved: ' string that's incorrect, the message is deleted (in a way that's unrecoverable, AFAICT). My suggestion is that you get an error message back instead, stating that the password is incorrect. -- The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a Sin. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? - Michael Moore -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Majordomo-style moderation
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:30:16AM +0400, Moscow School of Human Rights wrote: > In my opinion the only and very important trait of Mailman is > impossibility to moderate the lists in Majordomo style, by adding > "approved: password" line at the top of "technical" e-mail message and > then sending it to the listserv. You can confirm / delete messages via email in the newest version of Mailman. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Commercial provider for Mailman 2.1?
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:41:57PM -0700, Karen G. Schneider wrote: > However, at present Dreamhost is using Mailman 2.0.13, and there > are several must-have features I need for two large lists I manage > (5,000 and 16,000 subscribers). The last time I checked, they were > testing 2.1 but hadn't migrated to it yet. > > Can anyone recommend a commercial provider offering Mailman 2.1? > (Dreamhost, feel free to step in and be my knight in shining > e-mail...) We are definitely planning on upgrading, and it should be in the near future. We were hoping to improve the virtual hosting aspect, but 2.1 wasn't as useful for this as we had hoped. There are still changes we need to make to our backend, however, and we need to figure out the most painless way to handle migration over to the new machine / version. I can say that this is currently being worked on, and while I can't give you a specific ETA on when 2.1 will be fully working, it should be fairly soon. You can email support@ if you're interested in being a candidate for early migration to 2.1 once it's setup. Will (DreamHost) -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Red Hat 9 - Mailman not working out of the box
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 09:59:04AM +1000, Peter Russell wrote: > Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message. If > you are not the addressee (or responsible for delivery of the message to > the addressee), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. In such > a case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by > reply e-mail. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message > that do not relate to the official business of my employer shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. Perhaps you should not post to a publicly archived mailing list if this is the case. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Starting qrunner for FreeBSD
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 06:10:20AM +0200, Amardeo Sarma wrote: > I am a newbie and running Mailman 2.1.1 on FreeBSD 4.7 / VPSv2, which works > with the old technique of running qrunner every minute from cron. The INSTALL > instructions give some hints on how to start the qrunner daemon at startup time > (apparently the preferred mode for 2.1.x), but this seems geared to Linux. I > would appreciate any hints on what the best solution for FreeBSD systems is. Just link /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman.sh Something like (adjust path as necessary): ln -s /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman.sh /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl Do note, however, that if the system crashes, the stale lockfile may not get removed when it comes back up. You could put a script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/00somename.sh that does something like (untested): #!/bin/sh # remove dead links case "$1" in start) test -f /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner && rm /usr/local/mailman/locks/master-qrunner ;; stop) ;; esac Running mailmanctl -s *should* fix stale lockfiles, but doesn't seem to work in my experience (see some past posts to the list as well). -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Flat Threads when posting usingOutlook/Exchange clients
On Mon, Jun 30, 2003 at 03:56:59PM -0700, Roy Santos wrote: > I have seen a few postings regarding problems getting > flat threads while posting using Outlook clients. See > http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg03011.html. > But what I haven't seen is an answer on how or what > needs adjusting in MS for making proper threading that > Netscape, Eudora, Mozilla, etc. What needs adjusting? Using an MUA which doesn't suck I think some versions of Outlook do generate the proper headers, but I imagine it's based on version #, as opposed to being a configurable setting. The Mac version (which is much better behaved in general) does. > Is there a setting in the Defaults.py or other place to use "Subject" > instead of "In-Reply-To" or "References"? I'm pretty sure there isn't. A lot of MUAs can do this; it probably wouldn't be a bad idea, but could cause unexpected problems (like when people send messages to the list with generic subject lines). -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: So far, I'm very disappointed with Mailman
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 07:51:44PM -0700, SysAdmin wrote: > I've had nothing but problems with it. Majordomo sucked, but at least it > stayed up and running. So don't use it. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: non-member bounces
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:19:38PM -0400, Clay Stuckey wrote: > Is there a way to allow posts from all non members? I have 20 or so lists > for my company. I want to allow anyone to email any list even it they are > not a member. I am using this purely as a centrally managed group email > solution. Eep - didn't mean to hit send there. Anyway, yes, but it depends on the version you're using, which you didn't mention. Also, I think this is a bad idea, at least if the list addresses are reachable from the Internet at large, because eventually, you'll almost definitely start getting spam to the list. You might want to just define a regexp for acceptable addresses (which should also be possible) and allow all addresses from a particular domain to post. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Evolution, GPG,and mailman 2.1.2 - blank message bodies
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 01:01:09PM -0400, Jeremy Portzer wrote: > > Note: I've also heard that Outlook Express has a similar problem > reading GPG-signed emails with evolution's MIME-added signature, so this > isn't really uniquely an evolution problem. But Outlook Express handles > GPG pretty pitifully anyway, so I'm not worrying about that. Well maybe Evolution were copying Lookout! so exactly, they decided to reproduce the bugs as well Of course, the obvious workaround is not to GPG sign list mails, or to clearsign instead of using PGP/MIME -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: non-member bounces
On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:19:38PM -0400, Clay Stuckey wrote: > Is there a way to allow posts from all non members? I have 20 or so lists > for my company. I want to allow anyone to email any list even it they are > not a member. I am using this purely as a centrally managed group email > solution. Yes. How to do so depends on the version you're running. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:00:53PM -0700, jsmith wrote: [ Two layers of miserable Lookout! TOFU corrected ] > > > My "Footers" are being sent to our mailing list participants as > > > "Attachments" rather than being inserted into the message text. > > > > > > Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have > > > the "footer" placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text. Use demime or stripmime (as per the Mailman FAQ) to strip HTML from the list, and / or stop sending HTML mail. > > Don't send html email to the list. That's most likely why the > > footer is being appended as an attachment. Try it with a plain text > > message and see what happens. > This is a known problem with Mailman. I have as well as others have had > this problem since the first day. I posted these problems to the list > with no resolution besides someone saying that I can not used OUTLOOK as > a mail client or not to send HTML. This is not a "known problem" with Mailman. When a message has a MIME attachment, the safest way for Mailman to add the footer is to add it as an additional plaintext MIME attachment. There's no way for it to safely add the footer to one of the individual attachments; this would break PGP/MIME signatures, cause weird problems with multipart/alternative messages, etc. If you've really tried sending mail from all these other mailers, why does THIS message have the footer as part of the message body and not as an attachment? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: mail server recommendations?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:43:54PM -0400, Raymond Wood wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 12:13:10AM +0200, Brad Knowles imagined: > > For smaller sites, or sites wishing to have a simpler > > configuration file, I find that postfix generally works very well. > > It has one of the simplest configuration files that I have ever > > seen, and comes configured out-of-the-box to be just about the > > perfect MTA for a mailing list. > Postfix is also designed, like Qmail, from the ground up with > security in mind. I'm told the source-code is a joy to look at, but > don't quote me on that as I'm no authority :-) I will third the suggestion to check out Postfix. I've used it on both very large scale systems (multiple mail machines, 30k+ users per cluster of machines), as well as on my own workstations. It's easy to configure, but flexible, fast, performs well, secure, and it's author isn't a raving loon *coughQMAILcough*. It has a good user community, and the postfix-users list is generally very helpful. Wietse himself (Postfix's author) posts to the list frequently, and provides some amusing entertainment at times. There may be certain features that it lacks, but I haven't ever run up against them, and I imagine most people will find the same thing. I've not run Exim since version 3.x, but I've heard good things about the recent releases of Exim as well. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Footer ?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 09:58:22PM -0700, jsmith wrote: [ Stop top posting! ] > > If you've really tried sending mail from all these other mailers, why > > does THIS message have the footer as part of the message body and not as > > an attachment? > I have asked that question so many times here and get no answer that its > not funny. I have watched others ask this question and it does not get > answered or addressed other than blaming it on the great empire of Bill > Gates because he must be a demon. I have heard it all. I even brought > up the point that my mailings to this list work fine on your servers but > not on mine. SO I assume it must be a configuration problem. Yet no > one can tell me what is incorrect or where to fix it. Have you sent an example of one of the messages you're seeing with headers and MIME structure intact to the list? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Sobig forces unsubscribes
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 07:04:19PM -0400, Rob Carlson wrote: > My list owners are getting Sobig files bounced to them through the > administrative addresses. One of their ISPs has decided to reject > those relayed messages with a 550 User Unknown because they contain > Sobig. The mailman-owner gets this bounce back and kicks them off > all the lists. If either is an option, reject (or discard) the incoming viruses in the first place, or else strip incoming messages to the list-owner using demime or something similar. Don't know if it's entirely appropriate to demime messages to the list-owner, however. I certainly wish Yahoo Groups would do this - we've seen a number of customers write in because they're getting unsubbed from Yahoo groups for this reason. We've had several users with problems like this; the problem is that it's obviously a bad idea to let our users get Sobig viruses (#1, the sheer volume of messages is really annoying, and #2, I would like to avoid having users get infected). However, I think it's a good overall policy to reject any message that's not delivered - with any sort of filter based on content, you're running a risk of rejecting legitimate messages, so it's important that the sender realize the message wasn't delivered. Since the virus sends direct-to-MX, the case of messages going through a MLM is one of the only cases where you'd likely experience problems like this. > She's asked her admins to change it to a 554 Service Unavailable > bounce, but I'm not even sure that will make a difference if my > machine keeps trying to send them. Is there a simple way I haven't > thought of to strip out the Sobig posts to the list owners? While 554 or 553 would probably be slightly more appropriate, 550 simply means "mailbox unavailable", and AFAICT, is appropriate to use when rejecting a message for policy reasons (rfc2821, while still just a proposed standard, is a little clearer about this than 821). specifically: (4.2.2) 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable (e.g., mailbox not found, no access, or command rejected for policy reasons) -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Sobig forces unsubscribes
On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:05:51PM -0400, Rob Carlson wrote: > On Tuesday, Sep 2, 2003, at 19:59 US/Eastern, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > > My list owners are getting Sobig files bounced to them through the > > > administrative addresses. One of their ISPs has decided to reject > > > those relayed messages with a 550 User Unknown because they contain > > > Sobig. The mailman-owner gets this bounce back and kicks them off > > > all the lists. She's asked her admins to change it to a 554 Service > > > Unavailable > > Ask him to silently discard them (>/dev/null) because the bounce > > address is also a victim. > Yes, but it is doing a 550 in its conversation with the server (in this > case a Sobig instance) so for actual Sobig connections, the message > would be silently discarded by both the Sobig instance and their mail > server without annoying the owner of the forged address. Exactly. > Not a bad way to do things overall, I just need to get around it > somehow. One option would be to disable auto-bounce detection until Sobig expires and / or increase the threshold of bounces required to remove an address (it would be nice if an individual address could be exempted without disabling this feature entirely, but this isn't currently an option). Does filtering attachments with a particular content type (under Content Filtering) affect messages sent to the list-owner, or only messages sent to the list itself? What about Spam filters (under Privacy Options -> Spam filters) - if you autodelete messages which appear to be Sobig, is the original message forwarded to the owner, or only a summary indicating that a message was deleted (my recollection is that it's the latter). -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Sobig forces unsubscribes
On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 09:01:18PM -0700, John W. Baxter wrote: > On 9/2/2003 16:34, "Will Yardley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, I think it's a good overall policy to reject any message > > that's not delivered - with any sort of filter based on content, > > you're running a risk of rejecting legitimate messages, so it's > > important that the sender realize the message wasn't delivered. > It's arguably a decent overall policy, but it fails in the case of Sobig-F > which ordinarily forges the sender. Bouncing Sobig amounts to an attack on > an innocent party...particularly if more than a smallish part of the > incoming message is included. As someone else pointed out (and as I pointed out), when a message is rejected during the SMTP transaction, it's the job of the sending machine to return the message to its sender. Sobig (and most spamware) sends direct to MX from the infected machine, and doesn't send a bounce when it receives a 55x response; the message is simply rejected and no harm is done. The problem is when the message is NOT initially rejected, and is then bounced back to the sender. Even worse are those misconfigured virus scanners which send notifications to the apparent "sender". -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
Is there an option to disable mass-subscription from the web interface, so that users can't add non-confirmed addresses themselves? Is there an option to require re-confirmation for addresses added (I guess only allowing "invite" but not "subscribe" would take care of this. Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to tell whether a user was mass-subscribed or confirmed their subscription to the list? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] affecting "public" name of list
Is it possible to change the "public" email address of a list (that reported in the rfc2369 headers, message footers, etc.) while maintaining a different name internally? Would there be any obvious problems I'm missing with such a feature? For our virtually hosted lists, we need independent namespaces on a per-domain basis. This isn't really something that Mailman currently handles AFAICT. So we might have: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or [EMAIL PROTECTED]) forwarding to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Obviously this looks ugly, and encourages people to send to the "wrong" address; it's a simple matter, of course, to alias [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] This "hack" (if it worked) wouldn't be perfect, but would at least improve the virtual hosting situation for our purposes. For various reasons, it's not practical to do a unique installation of Mailman for each account or domain, and requiring unique listnames globally will also not work for our purposes. If not, consider this an RFE (I can submit one on the site if requested). If someone wanted to provide a patch for this (against 2.1.3), I might even be able to give them some money if it worked properly. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 07:07:54PM -0400, Jon Carnes wrote: > This would be a fairly simple hack to the source. You would simply grep > for the option you want to comment out and when you find it in the > source, comment it out. Then it won't appear in the web pages (that > would be for every list). Right. I was hoping that it was configurable in some way so that we don't have to end up maintaining too many local changes, but I'll keep this in mind. Now that Mailman is more suited to announce-only lists, it would make sense to have an option like this, as a site administrator may want to prevent users from abusing Mailman to send spam. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Clear Cache
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 08:25:00PM +, Hostmaster wrote: > On our maiden voyage, we were mass subscribing to our list when we > realized it was sending the subscription message for each address. We > decided we did not want this, so we stopped the MTA. Now, we have > lots of unsent messages in the cache that we'd like to remove. Does > anyone happen to know how to clear the cache/queue? Assuming you're talking about clearing messages that were queued by the MTA, we'd need to know what MTA you're using. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mail not getting through to AOL
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 07:31:02AM -0400, Sean wrote: > You're best bet is to have your AOL users complain to AOL directly > about not getting their mail. I've been dealing with this for two > years and have got nowhere contact AOL. Their postmaster and anti-spam departments have gotten a lot more responsive lately; I've had good luck both from emailing postmaster@ and from calling the number listed at postmaster.info.aol.com. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [spam] being added to subject
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 03:07:20PM -0700, Mike Chambers wrote: > I just set up mailman-2.1-8. Everything is working fine except it adds > "[spam]" to every single message to the list. > > I have looked through the admin, and the docs and cannot figure out how to > prevent this. Any suggestions? Is the name of the list "spam"? You can turn off the prefix for posts on the "general options" page - just set it to an empty string. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: [spam] being added to subject
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 04:06:45PM -0700, Mike Chambers wrote: > No. It is not spam (I double checked that). > > So the subject looks like this: > > [spam][listname]subject here More than likely, then, this is due to a spam filter that has nothing to do with Mailman. Are you sure that such a spam filter doesn't exist on the system in question? Have you checked the headers for evidence of such a filter? I've never heard of Mailman itself doing something like this. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Hosting companies
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 03:50:59PM -0600, Dale schibbelhut wrote: > My current hosting company does not want Mailman on their servers. > Other than that I am quite satisfied with their service. I am looking > for a company that will host lists using mailman software. Does > anybody have any recommendations. In addition to the other hosts mentioned, I'll throw in a plug for $EMPLOYER - http://dreamhost.com/. You get unlimited Mailman discussion lists with any plan. We're now (finally) running a newer version (2.1.3), and we also offer the ability to use demime on your list if you'd like. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman and Debian
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 12:54:58PM -0500, Pascal Blanchette wrote: > I was wondering if there was a reason why the only Mailman version available > as a stable debian package is version 2.0.11? > Version 2.1.3 is marked as unstable. Is the new version still in beta or is > it ready to be deployed on a production site. In other words, would you > recommend upgrading from 2.0.11 to 2.1.3 on a production site that uses > mailman extensibly? You probably want to either backport the package from sarge, find an existing backport, or else build Mailman from source. I often do the latter, but use the configure layout from the Debian package. There does not seem to be a backport at http://www.backports.org/ currently, but you might be able to convince them to do it. Otherwise, you want to *tempoarily* add a line for sarge or unstable in your sources list ONLY for the source packages; download the Mailman source package, and build it (fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage, IIRC). You'll need to have fakeroot and debhelper packages installed on the build machine. You may need to backport some additional packages as either build depends (only needed on the building machine) or actual depends for the install. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Threading and In-Reply-To
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 02:59:33PM -0600, McKeever Chris wrote: > I have noticed that the threading on our archive does not work, > looking through the Mailman Faq/Archive, I have learned that this is > typically caused by the In-Reply-To not being supported via the Mail > Client. Looking at the headers from our Mailman installation, I have > confirmed that In-Reply-To is in fact missing. > Looking at other Mailman list posts, I have found that the In-Reply-To seems to grab > its value from the references: > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It doesnt seem that I have the references header either. Any more > information on how this all works would be greatly appreciated. Other way around; References contains all the message-ids from a thread, and in-reply-to is the message that is being replied to (not surprisingly). Have a look at RFC 822 / 2822. The fix, of course, is to use a better mail client. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification"
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 12:33:57PM -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: > Ricardo Kustner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > So my current situation is that my ISP is risking to get blacklisted and > > I can't do anything about it except for shutting down the lists or > > remove & block all AOL users :( > Yes, they are at risk. You had better find a way to unsubscribe those > folk. VERP is a good start. Realistically, though, the threshold is generally pretty high -- it takes a good amount of mail marked as spam before AOL will block you (although there is some evidence to suggest that once a certain number of identical messages have been marked as spam, AOL will silently make the rest "disappear"). I get stuff of this sort about our discussion lists via our AOL "feedback loop" all the time. Generally, I just ignore it. AOL subscribers mark *all* kinds of stuff as spam, so I take complaints from the feedback loop with a much larger grain of salt than an actual complaint sent to the abuse box. Just explain to your ISP that the subscribers added themselves via a closed loop verification process (assuming they did) and that whatever AOL subscriber is marking the messages as spam has s**t for brains. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification")
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 09:36:58AM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On Nov 4, 2003, at 8:54 AM, Ricardo Kustner wrote: > > I wish I could do that: my current mailman setup doesn't put the > > user's address in the "To:" address and since those wonderful AOL > > reports only include the original message, I can't tell from who it is > > coming!! > upgrade to 2.1, turn on personalization, put the email into the footer. > As in: Speaking of this, is there a way to disable this on a per-user basis? Do we *really* need this "feature" on the mailman-users list? Does anyone actually find it helpful? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] personalization (was Re: mailman & AOL's "Client TOS notification")
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:55:43AM -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote: > On Nov 4, 2003, at 10:52 AM, Will Yardley wrote: > > Do we *really* need this "feature" on the mailman-users list? Does > > anyone actually find it helpful? > god, yes. Please don't assume everyone on your lists is a geek with > perfect memory of which email address got signed up for what list when. I'd like to assume (perhaps wrongly) that most people on *this* list can figure out what address a message was sent to by looking at the headers of the email -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Wrapping long lines in Mailman
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 10:03:29AM -0800, Will Froning wrote: > I have Mailman 2.1.1 w/ htDig running on FreeBSD 4.8. I have a > particular user (read CIO) that never uses the Enter key when composing > messages. So besides making the archive just plain ugly with these > infinitely long lines, his messages are interrupted halfway through with > an exclamation point and a carriage return (from Mailman). I suppose getting him to configure his MUA to wrap lines is out of the question? > I've seen some people's solutions in the archives using fmt and piping > to mailmain, but that does work in FreeBSD (seems Solaris's fmt is > better). Hrm... you could use par or another similar tool to reformat the messages. http://www.nicemice.net/par/ -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] mailmanctl -s
Still haven't gotten a response on this, other than the fact that other people have noticed the same thing (wrote to the list about it a long time back). When mailmanctl is run with "-s" (supposedly kills stale locks), Mailman spits out the default usage summary, and then "No command given.". Same with "--stale-lock-cleanup". This command also fails to clean up stale locks as advertised. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 03:16:04PM -0500, Todd wrote: > Will Yardley wrote: > > When mailmanctl is run with "-s" (supposedly kills stale locks), > > Mailman spits out the default usage summary, and then "No command > > given.". Same with "--stale-lock-cleanup". This command also fails > > to clean up stale locks as advertised. > AFAIK, you still need to give one of the commands, like stop or > restart along with the -s option. How are you calling mailmanctl? > Forgive me if I'm telling you things you already know. I just ran > mailmanctl -s stop and it indeed killed the qrunners as advertised. I > didn't do anything to try and ensure that there were stale locks, I > just wanted to see if I got the same usage message you did. > > The usage summary could probably be a little more clear that a command > is required. Well the message when Mailman can't start says: The master qrunner lock could not be acquired. It appears as though there is a stale master qrunner lock. Try re-running mailmanctl with the -s flag. In my mind, the logical thing to do would be to run "mailmanctl -s" and then re-attempt starting Mailman. Your suggestion makes sense, but I think it would be nice if this were clearer. What do most folks do so that Mailman will restart when the system is restarted uncleanly? Could having the system's startup script (assuming a FreeBSD style or SysV style startup script) default to "-s" cause any major problems? -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: mailmanctl -s
On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 03:39:24PM -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: > Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > What do most folks do so that Mailman will restart when the system is > > restarted uncleanly? Could having the system's startup script (assuming > > a FreeBSD style or SysV style startup script) default to "-s" cause any > > major problems? > When the system goes down uncleanly, you *want* manual intervention to > ensure things are really ok. Otherwise, why bother even having that > check in place? In theory, perhaps. But in reality, what we want is for Mailman to start. If the system has been rebooted, it's not possible for any processes to already be running (before the startup script runs), so it seems fairly unlikely that any stale locks would be significant. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: 2.1.2 with postfix(some progress)
On Mon, Jan 05, 2004 at 05:16:08PM -0800, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > On Monday 05 January 2004 14:27, Robin Lynn Frank wrote: > > Installed 2.1.2 on Mandrake 9.1 with postfix 20031231. Install was > > by rpm from the mandrake site. Followed the readme.postfix. Got > > the web interface up and running to do the admin stuff. When I went > > to create the list, I got an error that the permissions for > > /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases.db were wrong and the file could not > > be written to. Attempted to figure out the problem and tried again > > only to be told the list was already created. > > > > If I try to subscribe via the web interface all functions *except* > > no mail gets sent. > > > > Any clues as to where I screwed up (besides trying something new)? > Thanks to some help off-list, I got the permissions straightened out and the > aliases.db squared away. > > One remaining problem: > > /etc/init.d/mailman start > Starting mailman qrunnerSite list is missing: mailman > [FAILED] > What may be the cause and how do I correct the problem? Create the list "mailman". -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: GnuPG Integration?
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:19:58AM -0600, Michael Halcrow wrote: > Hi. My team would like to run a mailing list with another team > external to the company, but verything needs to be GnuPG encrypted. > Those who post to the mailing list must encrypt it with the mailing > list account's public key, and every message that the mailing list > application sends out must be encrypted with the public key of each > recipient. In addition, the archives must be accessable only to those > who have authenticated, and the archives can only be transmitted via > SSL. Furthermore, the mailing list application can never send a > password in the clear; when a recipient signs up for a mailing list, > he must also provide his public key as an attachment, and the list > administrator must give his explicit approval for the new member to be > added to the list. Does mailman support this functionality, or does > it plan to in the future? As far as I know, there is no support for this in Mailman (that's not an "official" answer, though). Sympa has S/MIME support, and may add PGP support at some point (http://listes.cru.fr/sympa/documentation/article_smime/sympasmime.html) I would also take a look at shibboleth: http://www.interhack.net/pubs/shibboleth/ I'm not totally sure this will do exactly what you want, but it might be worth looking at. -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: Reply to list
On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 02:45:16PM -0800, Mark Dadgar wrote: > On Feb 5, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: > > I can go back through the 90's, into the mid-80's if length of time > >is the important criteria here. I have multiple gigabytes of e-mail > >on my current system, and untold gigabytes of e-mail archived off in > >one place or another. > > LOL! You are a defense attorney's worst nightmare! Not to mention a system administrator's worst nightmare... -- "Since when is skepticism un-American? Dissent's not treason but they talk like it's the same..." (Sleater-Kinney - "Combat Rock") -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
