Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on TMDHosting.com

[Mark Sapiro]

On 2/1/20 9:54 AM, Tim H wrote:
>
> Top posting my reply, hope this is OK.  Oddly, my host included a
> Terminal window! I have never seen that before.

And it appears from the # prompt in that window that you have root 
access to the server. This seems to say to me that the host doesn't have 
much of a clue at all about what they are doing.



> Attached are screen
> shots of some ls -l results.
>
> Mark are these normal for a mailman installation?

Your screenshots were removed by the list's content filtering, but I got 
them in off-list mail. The only interesting one is


# ls -l /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman

'x 2 mailman mailman  22 Nov 11 01:37 bin
'x 2 mailman mailman 170 Nov 11 01:37 cgi-bin
'x 2 mailman mailman  21 Nov 11 01:37 mail

Note, this would be much better just copied and pasted into your email 
rather than attached as a screenshot.


Yes, these are normal, but there is much more missing. If this were 
actually a working Mailman installation there would also be archives, 
cron, data, icons, lists, locks, logs, Mailman, messages, pythonlib, 
qfiles, scripts, spam and tests directories in addition to the bin, 
cgi-bin and mail directories that are there.


So basically, Mailman is not really installed in any functional way.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman on TMDHosting.com

[Tim H via Mailman-Users]

 On Friday, January 31, 2020, 01:45:36 PM EST, Brian Carpenter 
 wrote:
 
 
 On 1/31/20 12:03 AM, Tim H via Mailman-Users wrote:
>  I just moved a cluster of domains to TMDHosting.com
> I had two Mailman mailing lists on the old service.  I made a gziped tarball 
> of the entire account using the usual tool. Staff at TMD brought it over and 
> in minutes all my files were in place.
> But. They do not have Mailman in cPanel. They do not have Mailman available 
> in Softalicious.  This is a shared hosting type of account.  I don't have 
> root access to the server.
> Their suggestion was to create an email address the same as the mailing list 
> address, then use that to set up BCC to a group of contacts in Roundcube.
> So I tried to create mymailingl...@mydomain.com
> I could not create the address. Instead I got an error message saying a 
> mailing list with that address already exists.
> But the address does not show up in the list of email addresses in cPanel, 
> so, I cannot delete it.
> I didn't think about the Mailman mailing lists when I set up to do the 
> transfer.  I took the time to save the member lists and some of the archives, 
> but I should have gone ahead and deleted the lists. I did not suspect that 
> the new service would not have Mailman.  Every web service provider I've been 
> with in years and years has had Mailman.
> So - what now?  Anyone on TMDHosting?  Have you been where I just landed?
> Thanks.
> Tim
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Hi Tim,

Screenshots of what you are seeing would be helpful. Are you sure 
Mailman is not accessible via cPanel? They are under Mailing Lists in 
the Email section of cPanel. Mailing lists and email accounts are 
treated as separate services on a cPanel server. Also Mailman is not 
available via Softaculous.

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I am sure that Mailman is not accessible via cPanel.  Screen shot attached. 
Thank you for confirming that Mailman is not available via Softalicious. That 
helps. 
I opened a support ticket with TMD. The 2 email addresses that were the SendTo 
addresses for the old Mailman lists were brought over in the transfer. They 
were invisible to me.  A senior tech deleted them, and created normal email 
addresses in their place. They recommend I use Roundcube and Contact Groups 
instead.  That's not a mailing list. If there were a function in Roundcube for 
"on receipt of new message, send to the Group Contact List", I'd be fine. 
Minimal but it would work. 
- Tim 



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[Mailman-Users] Mailman on TMDHosting.com

[Tim H via Mailman-Users]

 

  Top posting my reply, hope this is OK.  Oddly, my host included a Terminal 
window! I have never seen that before. Attached are screen shots of some ls -l 
results. 
Mark are these normal for a mailman installation?
I think my host does not want to support Mailman. Maybe new accounts aren't 
getting it in cPanel but the program is still on my server to support legacy 
accounts that are still using it. 
And yes, I replied to Brian, with screen shots. 
Thanks!
Tim
On Friday, January 31, 2020, 07:29:24 PM EST, Mark Sapiro 
 wrote:  
 
 On 1/31/20 2:51 PM, Tim H wrote:
> On Friday, January 31, 2020, 12:43:39 PM EST, Mark Sapiro 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/30/20 9:03 PM, Tim H via Mailman-Users wrote:
>  >  I just moved a cluster of domains to TMDHosting.com
>  > I had two Mailman mailing lists on the old service.  I made a gziped 
> tarball of the entire account using the usual tool. Staff at TMD brought 
> it over and in minutes all my files were in place.
>  > But. They do not have Mailman in cPanel.
> 
> 
> As far as I know, every cPanel installation has Mailman 2.1.
> 
> The issue may be that they just dropped your files into somewhere in
> /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman. You can't just do that. cPanel's
> Mailman is different enough that the config.pck files aren't directly
> compatible and the file names and or locations maybe different to.
> 
> See .
> 
> I searched my entire file set for "mailman" and came up empty.

/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman is in the server's file system, but 
it is not somethin that users on a shared cPanel host have access to.

> I thought all cPanel installations came with Mailman.  Maybe something 
> happened and it isn't the case since some later version.

I doubt it, although I suppose it's possible that the host disabled it. 
But then, the fact that cPanel thinks your list address exist seems to 
say your list is at least partially there.

This is an issue that your hosting provider needs to resolve, but if 
they are like a lot of cPanel hosts, Mailman is only there because it 
comes with cPanel and they aren't interested in supporting it.

Brian is an exception. See his post at 
 
and follow up with him.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on TMDHosting.com

[Brian Carpenter]

On 1/31/20 12:03 AM, Tim H via Mailman-Users wrote:

  I just moved a cluster of domains to TMDHosting.com
I had two Mailman mailing lists on the old service.  I made a gziped tarball of 
the entire account using the usual tool. Staff at TMD brought it over and in 
minutes all my files were in place.
But. They do not have Mailman in cPanel. They do not have Mailman available in 
Softalicious.  This is a shared hosting type of account.  I don't have root 
access to the server.
Their suggestion was to create an email address the same as the mailing list 
address, then use that to set up BCC to a group of contacts in Roundcube.
So I tried to create mymailingl...@mydomain.com
I could not create the address. Instead I got an error message saying a mailing 
list with that address already exists.
But the address does not show up in the list of email addresses in cPanel, so, 
I cannot delete it.
I didn't think about the Mailman mailing lists when I set up to do the 
transfer.  I took the time to save the member lists and some of the archives, 
but I should have gone ahead and deleted the lists. I did not suspect that the 
new service would not have Mailman.  Every web service provider I've been with 
in years and years has had Mailman.
So - what now?  Anyone on TMDHosting?  Have you been where I just landed?
Thanks.
Tim
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Hi Tim,

Screenshots of what you are seeing would be helpful. Are you sure 
Mailman is not accessible via cPanel? They are under Mailing Lists in 
the Email section of cPanel. Mailing lists and email accounts are 
treated as separate services on a cPanel server. Also Mailman is not 
available via Softaculous.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman on TMDHosting.com

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/30/20 9:03 PM, Tim H via Mailman-Users wrote:

  I just moved a cluster of domains to TMDHosting.com
I had two Mailman mailing lists on the old service.  I made a gziped tarball of 
the entire account using the usual tool. Staff at TMD brought it over and in 
minutes all my files were in place.
But. They do not have Mailman in cPanel.



As far as I know, every cPanel installation has Mailman 2.1.

The issue may be that they just dropped your files into somewhere in 
/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman. You can't just do that. cPanel's 
Mailman is different enough that the config.pck files aren't directly 
compatible and the file names and or locations maybe different to.


See .

Also, there are others on this list who are much more knowledgeable 
about cPanel Mailman than I am, and they may chime in.




So I tried to create mymailingl...@mydomain.com
I could not create the address. Instead I got an error message saying a mailing 
list with that address already exists.


Which indicates cPanel is aware of it.



But the address does not show up in the list of email addresses in cPanel, so, 
I cannot delete it.



You need advice from someone who knows more about Mailman in cPanel than 
I do.


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[Mailman-Users] Mailman on TMDHosting.com

[Tim H via Mailman-Users]

 I just moved a cluster of domains to TMDHosting.com
I had two Mailman mailing lists on the old service.  I made a gziped tarball of 
the entire account using the usual tool. Staff at TMD brought it over and in 
minutes all my files were in place. 
But. They do not have Mailman in cPanel. They do not have Mailman available in 
Softalicious.  This is a shared hosting type of account.  I don't have root 
access to the server. 
Their suggestion was to create an email address the same as the mailing list 
address, then use that to set up BCC to a group of contacts in Roundcube.  
So I tried to create mymailingl...@mydomain.com
I could not create the address. Instead I got an error message saying a mailing 
list with that address already exists.  
But the address does not show up in the list of email addresses in cPanel, so, 
I cannot delete it.
I didn't think about the Mailman mailing lists when I set up to do the 
transfer.  I took the time to save the member lists and some of the archives, 
but I should have gone ahead and deleted the lists. I did not suspect that the 
new service would not have Mailman.  Every web service provider I've been with 
in years and years has had Mailman. 
So - what now?  Anyone on TMDHosting?  Have you been where I just landed?
Thanks.
Tim 
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