Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 +0100 Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks! DJB has a page on it at cr.yp.to, -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700 Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... False. The admin will receive copies of bounce messages that Mailman was unable to reliably process. The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; ... False. Mailman v 2.0 has a poorly documented bounce handling system that works reasonably (not well, not horribly). Its largely unconfigurable beyond what action to take on bouncers (nomail, unsubscribe, etc). ... I'm not sure if future versions will. v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the level of full VERP, but close. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
JC Dill wrote: On 07:57 PM 9/17/02, Will Yardley wrote: The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will. I'm managing a list running under 2.0.13 which has automatic bounce handling (found at the administrative website at domain-name/mailman/admin/listname/bounces) with the following settings: G. Armour Van Horn wrote: Au contraire! Every version of Mailman I've used (back to 2.0.4, now on 2.0.12+) has handled bounced message with aplomb. Check out: http://your.server.here/mailman/admin/listname/bounce J C Lawrence wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 19:57:19 -0700 Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... False. The admin will receive copies of bounce messages that Mailman was unable to reliably process. The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; ... False. Mailman v 2.0 has a poorly documented bounce handling system that works reasonably (not well, not horribly). Its largely unconfigurable beyond what action to take on bouncers (nomail, unsubscribe, etc). Ok, ok. I stand 100% corrected. It's been a while since I've delved into the bounce menu, and since I do receive bounce messages occasionally (apparently the ones Mailman can't process) I figured that Mailman didn't currently do this. Sorry for spreading inaccurate information... -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net . -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
JCL == J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... I'm not sure if future versions will. JCL v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the JCL level of full VERP, but close. Bounce detection is of course only half the game. MM2.1 significantly improves how bounces are handled after they're detected (either by pattern match or verp match). -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Barry A. Warsaw Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:17 PM To: J C Lawrence Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated? JCL == J C Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... I'm not sure if future versions will. JCL v2.1 Improves on this situation significantly -- not to the JCL level of full VERP, but close. Bounce detection is of course only half the game. MM2.1 significantly improves how bounces are handled after they're detected (either by pattern match or verp match). -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Angel Gabriel wrote: Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks! I had to go looking myself after reading the recent e-mails; here is some of what I found: http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt http://www.cyberdesk.com/qmail/qmail-queue.html http://www.stllinux.org/meeting_notes/1998/0521/verp.html http://www.stllinux.org/meeting_notes/1998/0521/bounces.html (Apparently, VERP is also Visitor Experience and Resource Protection, a strategy used by the National Park Service. But I don't think Mailman will have anything to do with that ;-) - Andrew Mailman Administrator - http://www.tux.org/mailman/listinfo/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:39:03 +0100 Angel Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone explain to me what VERP is?? lol thanks! Variable envelope return paths http://cr.yp.to/proto/verp.txt -- Raquel Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened. --Winston Churchill -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
Angel Gabriel wrote: I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list? Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because of a non existent user? The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will. -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net . -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
On 07:57 PM 9/17/02, Will Yardley wrote: Angel Gabriel wrote: I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list? Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because of a non existent user? The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will. I'm managing a list running under 2.0.13 which has automatic bounce handling (found at the administrative website at domain-name/mailman/admin/listname/bounces) with the following settings: Bounce Options Policies regarding systematic processing of bounce messages, to help automate recognition and handling of defunct addresses. Description Value Try to figure out error messages automatically? No Yes Minimum number of days an address has been non-fatally bad before we take action # days Minimum number of posts to the list since members first bounce before we consider removing them from the list # days Maximum number of messages your list gets in an hour. (Yes, bounce detection finds this info useful) # days Action when critical or excessive bounces are detected. Do nothing Disable and notify me Disable and DON'T notify me Remove and notify me The list I'm administrating is set as: Yes, 5, 3, 5, Disable and notify me It works as indicated above, if an address has had problems for at least 5 days, and at least 3 posts have been processed since it first had problems, the address is disabled and the admin(s) receive a notice: This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice: List: listname Member: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: Subscription disabled. Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces. jc -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bouncing Mail - How is it treated?
Au contraire! Every version of Mailman I've used (back to 2.0.4, now on 2.0.12+) has handled bounced message with aplomb. Check out: http://your.server.here>/mailman/admin/listname>/bounce for the options. Van Will Yardley wrote: Angel Gabriel wrote: > I'd like to know how bouncing mail is treated, is it removed from the list? > Will I be notified of each bouncing address?? How long before it's taken off > the list? What about people who use web mail, can mailman tell the > difference between an error because of a full mailbox, and an error because > of a non existent user? The list admin will receive the bounce message(s)... The current stable version of Mailman doesn't support any sort of automatic bounce handling; I'm not sure if future versions will. -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net . > -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- -- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web hosting and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ --
