[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/8/24 10:55, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: Correct, perfect!!!, thank you so much Mark, you are a crack. Do you recomended migrate 2.1 to 3?, I have some automatizes shell scripts for new list, del users etc, and I am scared for do it. There are a few Mailman 2.1 features not yet in Mailman 3, notably sibling lists. You can run Mailman 2.1 and Mailman 3 in parallel on the same server. I recommend installing Mailman 3 via https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html and testing your things. Mailman 3 is definitely the path going forward. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
Correct, perfect!!!, thank you so much Mark, you are a crack. Do you recomended migrate 2.1 to 3?, I have some automatizes shell scripts for new list, del users etc, and I am scared for do it. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/8/24 00:51, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'listas.colegioderegistradores.es' This is the issue. POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS is a list of strings, not a string. It needs to be POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['listas.colegioderegistradores.es'] -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
defaults.py
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'localhost.localdomain'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = []
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
MTA = 'Manual'
mm_cfg.py
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'listas.colegioderegistradores.es'
add_virtualhost('listas.colegioderegistradores.es','listas.colegioderegistradores.es')
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = 'listas.colegioderegistradores.es'
MTA = 'Postfix'
List general option (List name hola)
Hostname detail = listas.colegioderegistradores.es
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[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/7/24 02:41, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: 2.1.29-12 version. Sorry mark, I don't understand what else I can review. What do you have in both Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, DEFAULT_URL_HOST, POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and all add_virtualhost() statements? Also, on the list's General Options page what is the setting for Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for host_name) -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
2.1.29-12 version. Sorry mark, I don't understand what else I can review. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/6/24 11:11, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: Yes,I create a list with the newlist command specifying the same domain and the list is created correctly with that domain, but the virtual-mailman file is not created, only the virtual-mailman.db and the aliases and aliases.db What Mailman version is this? In the current version, the only way I see this happening is if the _isvirtual test at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py#L148 returns False. Then the test at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py#L359 doesn't update virtual-mailman, but since virtual-mailman exists, the test at https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py#L81 passes and _update_maps updates virtual-mailman.db from the existing virtual-mailman. I.e., the list's `host_name` must not be in `POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS`. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
Yes,I create a list with the newlist command specifying the same domain and the list is created correctly with that domain, but the virtual-mailman file is not created, only the virtual-mailman.db and the aliases and aliases.db -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
Mark Sapiro wrote: Is the list's domain listed in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py? On 5/5/24 23:58, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: Yes Mark, and in add_virtualhost. Does the domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS match the list's host_name as shown on the list admin General Options page? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
Yes Mark, and in add_virtualhost. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 6:55 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 5/4/2024 1:45 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:54 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > >> Last I checked, MM3 was just not suitable for a small set of smaller > >> lists and to be maintained by less experienced people. > > > > In what aspects was it not suitable? I have never encountered a document > > stating that. > > Of course not, that's my opinion- every time I look at what it takes to > install MM3, it seems like a lot of work for the results. If I need to > run a few lists of tens of people, I don't want to spend multi-hours > doing the setup. Kind of like using a 10 tonne lorry to move a table and > chairs; it just doesn't make sense. > A lot of time? I think that's relative to the experience one has on as a Sysadmin. Can you try it by following - https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html - and report the time it took you to have a functional list? You will most likely spend multiple hours on it when using the OS packaging system, which is;t recommended anyway. The virtualenv method is the recommended one. > >> Perhaps that's changed, has it? > > I am not able to answer that before I get the answer to my question > above. > > There you have it. MM2 has been quick and easy to install and configure > and light on the resources, MM3 appears to need a lot more. (How long > does it take to install and configure a complete and usable MM3 > installation? What are the resources needed? At one time, I ran MM2 on a > 90Mhz Pentium and it did the job; there's a 2006 list post about it.) > Again, "how long" will depend on one's familiarity with the applications being glued together. Not standard timing. How long does it take for MM2? > > Did you also know that MM2 relies on Python2.7 (Recommended) which was > > already EoLed? > > Um, I've known that for years, thing is MM2 -still-works-! This might be > why there seem to be a fair number of MM2 installs out there in production. > > My first MM2 install was probably 18-20 years ago. > I had my 1st MM2 install in 2005, IIRC. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/4/2024 1:45 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:54 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: Last I checked, MM3 was just not suitable for a small set of smaller lists and to be maintained by less experienced people. In what aspects was it not suitable? I have never encountered a document stating that. Of course not, that's my opinion- every time I look at what it takes to install MM3, it seems like a lot of work for the results. If I need to run a few lists of tens of people, I don't want to spend multi-hours doing the setup. Kind of like using a 10 tonne lorry to move a table and chairs; it just doesn't make sense. Perhaps that's changed, has it? I am not able to answer that before I get the answer to my question above. There you have it. MM2 has been quick and easy to install and configure and light on the resources, MM3 appears to need a lot more. (How long does it take to install and configure a complete and usable MM3 installation? What are the resources needed? At one time, I ran MM2 on a 90Mhz Pentium and it did the job; there's a 2006 list post about it.) Did you also know that MM2 relies on Python2.7 (Recommended) which was already EoLed? Um, I've known that for years, thing is MM2 -still-works-! This might be why there seem to be a fair number of MM2 installs out there in production. My first MM2 install was probably 18-20 years ago. z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 7:54 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 5/3/2024 4:25 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > Not to answer your question, but may I suggest you stop learning about > > Mailman2 and look at Mailman3 instead? > > Last I checked, MM3 was just not suitable for a small set of smaller > lists and to be maintained by less experienced people. > In what aspects was it not suitable? I have never encountered a document stating that. Again on the "less experienced people", I don't know about that. There is great support on the MM3 Mailing List. MM3 also comes with more features - https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/features.html > Perhaps that's changed, has it? > I am not able to answer that before I get the answer to my question above. Did you also know that MM2 relies on Python2.7 (Recommended) which was already EoLed? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/3/2024 4:25 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: Not to answer your question, but may I suggest you stop learning about Mailman2 and look at Mailman3 instead? Last I checked, MM3 was just not suitable for a small set of smaller lists and to be maintained by less experienced people. Perhaps that's changed, has it? z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On 5/3/24 04:12, Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: Hello: I have an instance of mailman 2 on a red hat server that has been running without problems for a long time. Now I need to set up a test environment. I have cloned that server and I have modified the mmcfg.py removing the name of the old lists and I have put the name of the new list, as well as in postfix. The problem that arises is that when creating a new list, the alias.db, alias and virtual-mailman.db files are autogenerated but NOT the virtual-mailman file. Any ideas?. Is the list's domain listed in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS in mm_cfg.py? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@mail-archive.com
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
Thanks, but I am happy with mailman2 at the moment -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Re: New mailman instance
On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 2:17 PM Ivan Tejeiro Izquierdo wrote: > Hello: > I have an instance of mailman 2 on a red hat server that has been running > without problems for a long time. Now I need to set up a test environment. > I have cloned that server and I have modified the mmcfg.py removing the > name of the old lists and I have put the name of the new list, as well as > in postfix. The problem that arises is that when creating a new list, the > alias.db, alias and virtual-mailman.db files are autogenerated but NOT the > virtual-mailman file. > Any ideas?. > > Thank you so much for your help. > Not to answer your question, but may I suggest you stop learning about Mailman2 and look at Mailman3 instead? https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/install/virtualenv.html -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 In an Internet failure case, the #1 suspect is a constant: DNS. "Oh, the cruft.", egrep -v '^$|^.*#' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :-) [How to ask smart questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html] -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/ Member address: arch...@jab.org
