Re: [Mailman-Users] too many recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

On 01/21/2018 09:48 AM, Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
> 
> I'm using mailman 2.x with postfix with much trouble. Recently I started
> seeing a lot of errors like this:
> 
> delivery to xxx failed with code 452: 4.5.3 Error: too many recipients
> 
> 
> I do have both mailman and postfix configured for max recipients of 10, so
> I don't understand why there would still be complaints.


Do you mean you have set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 in mm_cfg.py. That would
limit the maximum number of recipients in one SMTP transaction from
Mailman to Postfix to 10. Other settings such as VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL
could reduce that further, but it would never be more.

This doesn't seem to be a Mailman issue, but if I were trying to
diagnose it, I'd look at all the Postfix log entries for such a message,
and I'd also determine if this is a single domain returning this error
or multiple different domains and since it is a 4xx error it should be
retried, and what happens on retry?

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[Mailman-Users] too many recipients

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hello,

I'm using mailman 2.x with postfix with much trouble. Recently I started
seeing a lot of errors like this:

delivery to xxx failed with code 452: 4.5.3 Error: too many recipients


I do have both mailman and postfix configured for max recipients of 10, so
I don't understand why there would still be complaints.


Any suggestions on how else I can further debug this?


thanks

Ricardo
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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Too many recipients" hold with only one recipient - and I'm owner

[Mark Sapiro]

On 08/09/2015 06:11 PM, Dennis Carr wrote:
> Today, I posted to a small list for site updates that I have, and I got
> a hold message saying I needed to approve my own message on account of
> "too many recipients" - which required me to approve my own message. 
> 
> I'm list owner, so this should be easy to fix.  However, I cannot find
> the option to fix this in the webui.  
> 
> Can somebody point me in the right direction?


Privacy options... -> Recipient filters -> max_num_recipients

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[Mailman-Users] "Too many recipients" hold with only one recipient - and I'm owner

[Dennis Carr]

Today, I posted to a small list for site updates that I have, and I got
a hold message saying I needed to approve my own message on account of
"too many recipients" - which required me to approve my own message. 

I'm list owner, so this should be easy to fix.  However, I cannot find
the option to fix this in the webui.  

Can somebody point me in the right direction?

Thanks,
-Dennis Carr
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/25/2012 8:20 AM, Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:
> 
>Ok, I was still getting the errors because in my hurry I put
> SMTP_MAX_RCPS instead of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. I corrected this and restarted
> both mailman and postfix, now I don't get any errors in smtp-failure and
> in post I get this (with no failures):
> 
>Oct 24 12:29:30 2012 (6788) post to contas from x...@xxx.xxx, size=2458,
> message-id=<20121024122919.11874kw8jiq8t...@xxx.xx.xx>, success


So that's a successful post. There should also be an entry in Mailman's
smtp log indicating the total number of recipients sent to.


>In my mail.log I see this for one of the members of the list in the
> exact moment I posted to the list:
> 
>Oct 24 12:29:30 xxx postfix/smtp[9530]: 722F2292F8: to=,
> relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10023, conn_use=10, delay=0.5,
> delays=0.15/0.23/0/0.13, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok,
> id=10090-06-10, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as
> DD12C292F6)
>Oct 24 12:31:25 xxx cyrus/lmtp[11051]: duplicate_mark:
> <20121024122919.11874kw8jiq8t...@.xxx> .xxx+@.sieve.   1351089085 0
>Oct 24 12:31:25 xxx postfix/pipe[9565]: DD12C292F6: to=,
> relay=cyrus, delay=115, delays=0.03/89/0/25, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
> (delivered via cyrus service)
> 
>But the message never appears in the user's mailbox. Other messages
> sent by users appears normallly in mailbox.


This message was delivered from Mailman to Postfix and then delivered by
Postfix to Cyrus, possibly because this was to a local user and Cyrus is
acting as the LDA, or possibly for some other reason, but in any case,
if the mail wasn't delivered to the user, this is a question for Cyrus.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes]

Citando "Stephen J. Turnbull" :


Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes writes:

   Searching google I found that this error isn't related to the number of
   users in the list, it occurs because the total number of addresses in the
   To: and Cc: headers of the post equals or exceeds
   max_num_recipients.

   The operational issues have already been addressed well in other
   posts.  However the above statement is incorrect, and needs
   clarification.

   The items visible in your personal mail client (MUA) in the To:, Cc:,
   and Bcc: fields are usually called "addresses" or "addressees".  These
   are different from "recipients", which are the addresses that the
   host-to-host mail program (MTA) sends to.  Mailman "explodes" the
   list's *address* into a large number of *recipients*, and asks the MTA
   to deliver to that whole list of recipients, or to chunks of it as
   Mark explains elsewhere.  You will in general never see the list of
   recipients of a post unless you look at the MTA's logs.

   By the way, there's nothing wrong with your understanding of plain
   English, in which "address" and "recipient" are pretty much the same.
   However, in technical discussion these words are often distinguished
   as above.

   But in documentation is said that if this option is set to 0 it has
   no limit.

   The limit you are running into here is not in Mailman, it is in the
   MTA.  Mailman cannot tell the MTA what to do; it can only  
restrictitself to a small enough number that the MTA will cooperate  
with it.




   Ok, I was still getting the errors because in my hurry I put
SMTP_MAX_RCPS instead of SMTP_MAX_RCPTS. I corrected this and restarted
both mailman and postfix, now I don't get any errors in smtp-failure and
in post I get this (with no failures):

   Oct 24 12:29:30 2012 (6788) post to contas from x...@xxx.xxx, size=2458,
message-id=<20121024122919.11874kw8jiq8t...@xxx.xx.xx>, success

   In my mail.log I see this for one of the members of the list in the
exact moment I posted to the list:

   Oct 24 12:29:30 xxx postfix/smtp[9530]: 722F2292F8: to=,
relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10023, conn_use=10, delay=0.5,
delays=0.15/0.23/0/0.13, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok,
id=10090-06-10, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as
DD12C292F6)
   Oct 24 12:31:25 xxx cyrus/lmtp[11051]: duplicate_mark:
<20121024122919.11874kw8jiq8t...@.xxx> .xxx+@.sieve.   1351089085 0
   Oct 24 12:31:25 xxx postfix/pipe[9565]: DD12C292F6: to=,
relay=cyrus, delay=115, delays=0.03/89/0/25, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
(delivered via cyrus service)

   But the message never appears in the user's mailbox. Other messages
sent by users appears normallly in mailbox.
   Some users receive the messages sent by mailman, for these users i see
this in mail.log:

   Oct 25 08:15:30 srv-mail-pel postfix/smtp[5459]: B4E2429275:
to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10023, conn_use=2, delay=0.49,
delays=0.19/0.01/0/0.29, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok,
id=04730-12-2, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as
1BEFD292E1)
   Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_check:
<20121025081521.horde.nwzihuv4cn9qire5ncoz...@xx.xx.xx>
user.rodrigoantunes  0
   Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_check:
<20121025081521.horde.nwzihuv4cn9qire5ncoz...@xx.xx.xx>
user.rodrigoantunes  0
   Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_mark:
<20121025081521.horde.nwzihuv4cn9qire5ncoz...@xx.xx.xx>
user.rodrigoantunes  1351160369 14881517650057856560
   Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: Delivered:
<20121025081521.horde.nwzihuv4cn9qire5ncoz...@xx.xx.xx> to mailbox:
user.rodrigoantunes
   Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel cyrus/lmtp[13727]: duplicate_mark:
<20121025081521.horde.nwzihuv4cn9qire5ncoz...@xx.xx.xx>
.rodrigoantunes+@.sieve. 1351160369 0
   Oct 25 08:19:29 srv-mail-pel postfix/pipe[5469]: 1BEFD292E1:
to=, relay=cyrus, delay=239, delays=0.1/215/0/24,
dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via cyrus service)

   I'm totally confused why this is happening...

    
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes writes:

 > Searching google I found that this error isn't related to the number of
 > users in the list, it occurs because the total number of addresses in the
 > To: and Cc: headers of the post equals or exceeds
 > max_num_recipients.

The operational issues have already been addressed well in other
posts.  However the above statement is incorrect, and needs
clarification.

The items visible in your personal mail client (MUA) in the To:, Cc:,
and Bcc: fields are usually called "addresses" or "addressees".  These
are different from "recipients", which are the addresses that the
host-to-host mail program (MTA) sends to.  Mailman "explodes" the
list's *address* into a large number of *recipients*, and asks the MTA
to deliver to that whole list of recipients, or to chunks of it as
Mark explains elsewhere.  You will in general never see the list of
recipients of a post unless you look at the MTA's logs.

By the way, there's nothing wrong with your understanding of plain
English, in which "address" and "recipient" are pretty much the same.
However, in technical discussion these words are often distinguished
as above.

 > But in documentation is said that if this option is set to 0 it has
 > no limit.

The limit you are running into here is not in Mailman, it is in the
MTA.  Mailman cannot tell the MTA what to do; it can only restrict
itself to a small enough number that the MTA will cooperate with it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
>The 828 recipients was the entire list, but the list is chunked into
>pieces of *at most* SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (default 500) and each chunk is
>sent as a separate SMTP transaction. Further, the chunks ar separated
>by top level domain such that all .com addresses are in their (set of)
>chunks; all .net and .org addresses are in a separate set; all .edu,
>.us and .ca addresses, and the rest are in yet another set.


It's not really an important part of the answer, but the above
paragraph should have said:


The 828 recipients was the entire list, but the list is chunked into
pieces of *at most* SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (default 500) and each chunk is
sent as a separate SMTP transaction. Further, the chunks are separated
by top level domain such that all .com addresses are in their (set of)
chunk(s); all .net and .org addresses are in a separate set; all .edu,
.us and .ca addresses are in a third set, and the rest are in yet
another set.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

Lindsay Haisley wrote:
>
>Mark, Brad, etc.  I have a question here.  Rodrigo says that in his
>Mailman smtp log, a SMTP transaction to contas for 828 recipients was
>"completed in 1.705 seconds"
>
>Mailman also reports a _temporary_ failure of 450 addresses. Because
>this is a 4xx class error, can one assume that after accepting
>smtpd_recipient_limit "rcpt to" addresses, postfix started rejecting
>each new address with a 452 (4.5.3) error, and that Mailman continued to
>attempt to send recipients in spite of this? - after which Mailman sent,
>and postfix accepted, the body of the message?


First of all, it is not clear how many recipients were sent in this
SMTP transaction.

The 828 recipients was the entire list, but the list is chunked into
pieces of *at most* SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (default 500) and each chunk is
sent as a separate SMTP transaction. Further, the chunks ar separated
by top level domain such that all .com addresses are in their (set of)
chunks; all .net and .org addresses are in a separate set; all .edu,
.us and .ca addresses, and the rest are in yet another set.


That notwithstanding, the actual SMTP transaction is handled by
Python's smtplib module. The fact that there were no smtp-failure log
messages that indicate an exception from smtplib (these would be log
messages like 'All recipients refused: %s, msgid: %s', 'SMTP session
failure: %s, %s, msgid: %s' or 'Low level smtp error: %s, msgid: %s')
indicates that smtplib detected that at least one recipient was
accepted and returned a dictionary, with one entry for each recipient
that was refused. Each entry contains a tuple of the SMTP error code
and the accompanying error message sent by the server. These are
reported as indicated in the OP.

Mailman then records any permanent failures as bounces and if there are
temporary failures as here, updates the recipient list for the message
to contain only the temp failed addresses and queues it in the retry
queue to be retried.

Thus, if the MTA is accepting say 50 recipients out of 500, the 500
will eventually all be delivered after about 10 times the retry
interval which defaults to 15 minutes.


>This is the only scenario that makes any sense in light of the reported
>temporary failure.  Is Mailman smart enough to pick up the thread on
>this and re-send to those addresses which were refused?


See above.


>The only other possible scenario is that the SMTP server bounced the
>entire message after transmission of the message body was complete,
>based on an excessive number of recipients.  In this case, wouldn't it
>make more sense for the mail server to return a 5xx (permanent) class
>error?  


That didn't happen here. If it had, the smtplib process would have
thrown a smtplib.SMTPResponseException and this would have been logged
with a 'SMTP session failure: %s, %s, msgid: %s' message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Lindsay Haisley :

> IMHO, a restart of postfix would probably be in order, too.  I know that
> many settings in my mail server, courier MTA, require a restart of the
> server after changing them in order for them to take effect.

postfix reload
suffices.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Lindsay Haisley]

On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 13:45 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 1:21 PM, Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:
> > 
> > I've set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 250 in mailman and smtpd_recipient_limit to 300
> > in postfix and I'm still getting these errors.
>
> Did you restart Mailman

IMHO, a restart of postfix would probably be in order, too.  I know that
many settings in my mail server, courier MTA, require a restart of the
server after changing them in order for them to take effect.

Mark, Brad, etc.  I have a question here.  Rodrigo says that in his
Mailman smtp log, a SMTP transaction to contas for 828 recipients was
"completed in 1.705 seconds"

Mailman also reports a _temporary_ failure of 450 addresses.  Because
this is a 4xx class error, can one assume that after accepting
smtpd_recipient_limit "rcpt to" addresses, postfix started rejecting
each new address with a 452 (4.5.3) error, and that Mailman continued to
attempt to send recipients in spite of this? - after which Mailman sent,
and postfix accepted, the body of the message?

This is the only scenario that makes any sense in light of the reported
temporary failure.  Is Mailman smart enough to pick up the thread on
this and re-send to those addresses which were refused?

The only other possible scenario is that the SMTP server bounced the
entire message after transmission of the message body was complete,
based on an excessive number of recipients.  In this case, wouldn't it
make more sense for the mail server to return a 5xx (permanent) class
error?  

Inquiring minds want to know.  I don't know postfix, and because all my
outgoing lists have VERP personalization enabled, this problem never
comes up here.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Lindsay Haisley]

On Tue, 2012-10-23 at 18:21 -0200, Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:
> I didn't set any loop, the list's e-mail obviously isn't a list member,
> what I said is that when you want to send and email to the list you put
> the list's email in the "To:" field and that's the only recipient when I'm
> sending e-mail, I'm not putting more recipients in "to:" field wich could
> burst the limit of max_num_recipients if this limit was set.

OK, I'm sorry.  I misunderstood.

> I've set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 250 in mailman and smtpd_recipient_limit to 300
> in postfix and I'm still getting these errors.

Did you restart Mailman and postfix?  What do the Mailman log files show
with regard to the number of recipients (smtp log) and the number of
failures (post log) _after_ your changes and a restart of both postfix
and Mailman?  What's the total number of subscribers on the list (i.e.
how many "rcpt to" addresses did Mailman _attempt_ to submit for
posting)?

Do your mail system logs shed any light on anything?  My mail logs are
always my first stop when trying to debug a mail problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/23/2012 1:21 PM, Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:
> 
> I've set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 250 in mailman and smtpd_recipient_limit to 300
> in postfix and I'm still getting these errors.


Did you restart Mailman after setting

SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 250

in mm_cfg.py?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes]

Citando Lindsay Haisley :
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 13:46 -0200, Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:   
> Any ideas?

  The behavior of Mailman with respect to the number of recipients
  specified in any single SMTP transaction is controlled by
  SMTP_MAX_RCPTS, which should be less than the max number of recipients
  allowed by the SMTP server for any single transaction.  If your setting
  up this loop to stress-test your installation, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in
  mm_cfg.py to a small enough number to pass muster with the contas SMTP
  server.

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I didn't set any loop, the list's e-mail obviously isn't a list member,
what I said is that when you want to send and email to the list you put
the list's email in the "To:" field and that's the only recipient when I'm
sending e-mail, I'm not putting more recipients in "to:" field wich could
burst the limit of max_num_recipients if this limit was set.

I've set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 250 in mailman and smtpd_recipient_limit to 300
in postfix and I'm still getting these errors.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes]

Citando Lindsay Haisley :

Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the list
   itself), I get these:

  Aren't you creating a loop here?  Why are you putting the list itself on
  the list as its only recipient?  This appears to me to be an invitation
  for an endless loop.

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The list's e-mail obviously isn't a list member, what I said is that when
you want to send and email to the list you put the list's email in the
recipient.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Mark Sapiro]

Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:

>Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the list
>itself), I get these:
>
>  In mailman's smtp logs:
>  Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940)  smtp to contas for 828 recips,
>completed in 1.705 seconds
>
>  In mailman's post logs:
>  Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) post to contas from xxx@, size=3620,
>message-id=, 450 failures
>
>  In mailman's smtp-failure logs:
>  Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) delivery to xxx@x failed with code 452:
>4.5.3 Error: too many recipients
>
>  In my mm_cfg.py I have this:
>  DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 0


The above setting has nothing to do with this. The message in your
smtp-failure log comes from your MTA because Mailman is sending
messages with a number of recipients (SMTP RCPT TO) greater than your
MTA will accept.

In mm_cfg.py, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to a number less than the MTA's
recipient limit, and restart Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Lindsay Haisley]

On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 13:46 -0200, Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes wrote:
>   Any ideas?
> 
The behavior of Mailman with respect to the number of recipients
specified in any single SMTP transaction is controlled by
SMTP_MAX_RCPTS, which should be less than the max number of recipients
allowed by the SMTP server for any single transaction.  If your setting
up this loop to stress-test your installation, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in
mm_cfg.py to a small enough number to pass muster with the contas SMTP
server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Lindsay Haisley]

> Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the list
> itself), I get these:

Aren't you creating a loop here?  Why are you putting the list itself on
the list as its only recipient?  This appears to me to be an invitation
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Kalbfleisch, Gary]

Am I understanding correctly that the list itself is a member of the list?  
Sounds like an email loop to me.   What are you trying to do?


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> -Original Message-
> From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-
> bounces+garyk=shoreline@python.org] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Abrantes
> Antunes
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> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients
> 
> Citando Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes :
> >
> > Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the
> > list itself), I get these:
> >
> >In mailman's smtp logs:
> >Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940)  smtp to contas for 828
> > recips, completed in 1.705 seconds
> >
> >In mailman's post logs:
> >Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) post to contas from xxx@,
> > size=3620, message-id=, 450 failures
> >
> >In mailman's smtp-failure logs:
> >Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) delivery to xxx@x failed with code
> > 452: 4.5.3 Error: too many recipients
> >
> >In my mm_cfg.py I have this:
> >DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 0
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> Searching google I found that this error isn't related to the number of users 
> in
> the list, it occurs because the total number of addresses in the
> To: and Cc: headers of the post equals or exceeds max_num_recipients. But
> in documentation is said that if this option is set to 0 it has no limit.
> And my post have only one recipient in To:, the list itself. So what may be
> causing this?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes]

Citando Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes :


Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the  
list itself), I get these:


   In mailman's smtp logs:
   Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940)  smtp to contas for 828  
recips, completed in 1.705 seconds


   In mailman's post logs:
   Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) post to contas from xxx@,  
size=3620, message-id=, 450 failures


   In mailman's smtp-failure logs:
   Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) delivery to xxx@x failed with  
code 452: 4.5.3 Error: too many recipients


   In my mm_cfg.py I have this:
   DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 0

   Any ideas?


Searching google I found that this error isn't related to the number of
users in the list, it occurs because the total number of addresses in the
To: and Cc: headers of the post equals or exceeds max_num_recipients. But
in documentation is said that if this option is set to 0 it has no limit.
And my post have only one recipient in To:, the list itself. So what may
be causing this?
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[Mailman-Users] Too many recipients

[Rodrigo Abrantes Antunes]

Hi, when I try to send an e-mail to my list (only one recipient, the list
itself), I get these:

 In mailman's smtp logs:
 Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940)  smtp to contas for 828 recips,
completed in 1.705 seconds

 In mailman's post logs:
 Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) post to contas from xxx@, size=3620,
message-id=, 450 failures

 In mailman's smtp-failure logs:
 Oct 22 13:26:17 2012 (22940) delivery to xxx@x failed with code 452:
4.5.3 Error: too many recipients

 In my mm_cfg.py I have this:
 DEFAULT_MAX_NUM_RECIPIENTS = 0

 Any ideas?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Mark Sapiro]

Abdul Javid wrote:
>
>Am getting the following error with only 30 memebers in the list. whenever
>memebers within the list are sending messages, its being sent to moderator
>to approve for following reason
>
>"Too many recipients to the message"


Please do not hijack existing threads by replying to a previous post to
start an unrelated topic. Even though you change the subject, the post
is still threaded to the prior post in the archive.

The "Too many recipients to the message" hold has nothing to do with
the number of list members. It occurs because the total number of
addresses in the To: and Cc: headers of the post equals or exceeds
Privacy options...->Recipient filters->max_num_recipients

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[Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Abdul Javid]

Hi
 
Am getting the following error with only 30 memebers in the list. whenever 
memebers within the list are sending messages, its being sent to moderator to 
approve for following reason
 
"Too many recipients to the message"
 
List is set to be non moderated.
 
thaks in advance.
 
Abdul Javid



  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:00 PM -0800 2004-11-04, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Is there a reason why I have been getting this same message several
times a day for several days now?
 Yes, the OP has some kind of server problem that keeps retrying the
 delivery of the post every hour and 20 minutes or so even though the
 post is accepted by the incoming MTA at python.org every time.
	Okay, the problem user is now moderated, and they will not be 
allowed to post to the list until they fix their mail server.

 Also, the administrators of this list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) are
 either unaware of the problem or haven't bothered to moderate the OP's
 subscription or take other action.
	In the future, please send all such complaints to 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.  Chuq and I try to keep up on this 
list, but I know that Barry doesn't always have the time to do so. 
If you want to get the attention of the list admins, this is the best 
way to do it.

Yes, I'm also guilty of not following this rule.  ;)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Brad Knowles]

At 6:00 PM -0800 2004-11-04, Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Also, the administrators of this list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) are
 either unaware of the problem or haven't bothered to moderate the OP's
 subscription or take other action.
	I had thought someone else would have already taken action 
against this user, but I guess not.  I just sent a note to a couple 
of different places where python.org admins hang out, to see if I can 
get one of them to handle this user or give me the approval to do it 
myself.

	I've already got all the access I need and I'm pretty sure I know 
where to find the site admin password, I just do not (yet) have the 
official approval to do so.

	Of all the python.org admins on the various lists, I may be the 
only one who pays much attention to mailman-users.  I'll see if I can 
get that corrected.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Mark Sapiro]

Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote:
>
>On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Kelly Conwell wrote:
>
>> How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing 
>> this, as
>> well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an allowed
>> sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe (5) more
>> individuals users who are not part of the list.
>
>Is there a reason why I have been getting this same message several 
>times a day for several days now?

Yes, the OP has some kind of server problem that keeps retrying the
delivery of the post every hour and 20 minutes or so even though the
post is accepted by the incoming MTA at python.org every time.

Either the OP has not been checking mail and is unaware of this or
doesn't know what to do about it (hint talk to the administrator of
your server at mail.glenview34.org).

Also, the administrators of this list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) are
either unaware of the problem or haven't bothered to moderate the OP's
subscription or take other action.

And I know it must seem like several days, but it's only been about 31
hours.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC]

On Nov 3, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Kelly Conwell wrote:
How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing 
this, as
well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an allowed
sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe (5) more
individuals users who are not part of the list.
Is there a reason why I have been getting this same message several 
times a day for several days now?

Thanks
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help moderators! (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message)

[MCV Webmaster]

Can someone please moderate this person, at least temporarily? There is 
obviously some techncial problem on her end.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Michael Adams]

Kelly Conwell wrote:
How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing this, as
well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an allowed
sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe (5) more
individuals users who are not part of the list.
Thanks
Kelly
 

Hmm, Too many messages to the recipient. ;)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Mark Sapiro]

Kelly Conwell wrote:

>How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing this, as
>well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an allowed
>sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe (5) more
>individuals users who are not part of the list.


You seem to have some server problem involved in delivering your post
to mailman-users. From the headers of this post ...

Received: from glenview34.org (mail.glenview34.org [216.124.72.10])
by bag.python.org (Postfix) with ESMTP
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu,  4 Nov 2004 00:11:27 +0100 (CET)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by glenview34.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E57105C7DE
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed,  3 Nov 2004 18:37:10 + (GMT)

This is the 5th copy of the post delivered from glenview34.org to
bag.python.org.

Now, to address your question. I'm not sure what you're asking, but if
you want to unconditionally accept posts with a lot of recipients, go
to your list's Privacy options...->Recipient filters page and set
max_num_recipients according to "Details for". Or if you want to hold
posts that Cc: a number of people, do the same.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Jim Tittsler]

On Nov 4, 2004, at 03:37, Kelly Conwell wrote:
How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing 
this, as
well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an allowed
sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe (5) more
individuals users who are not part of the list.
On the list's Privacy options... Recipient filters page you can 
increase max_num_recipients.

In the long run, I think you would be better off teaching the user not 
to post that way (which among other things shares the list of addresses 
with the mailing list).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Nov 03, 2004 at 12:37:09PM -0600, Kelly Conwell wrote:
> How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing
> this, as well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an
> allowed sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe
> (5) more individuals users who are not part of the list.

Tell the user: "Don't do that."

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[Mailman-Users] Too many recipients to the message

[Kelly Conwell]

How do I correct "Too many recipients to the message" in a mailing this, as
well as, see who the user is sending to ? The list user is an allowed
sender. He post To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and will also Cc: maybe (5) more
individuals users who are not part of the list.

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients ??

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 20, 2004, at 3:25 PM, David C. Hicks wrote:

Jeff Barger wrote:
No, that's not it. You're hitting the recipient limit.
That would make sense if it was a big mailing list, but there are only 
8 people in it.  I did find the limit configuration item and set it to 
0.  It was 20 before.
The recipient limit is for incoming email, not outgoing.
The reason I think it's looking at the "TO" field recipients is that 
this only happens when the mailing list is included along with other 
addresses originally.
That's correct. Mailman looks at the To and CC fields, adds them up and 
compares them to the recipient limit.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too many recipients ??

[Jeff Barger]

On Aug 20, 2004, at 2:52 PM, David C. Hicks wrote:
Hi,
I've been getting a lot of errors of this nature lately on a list that 
I run.  It appears that mailman might be trying to re-send the message 
to everyone in the "To:" field, instead of just to the list members, 
and it isn't expecting to have to do that.  I can't find any 
configuration item that seems to be able to control this behavior.
No, that's not it. You're hitting the recipient limit.
Anyone seen this or know anything about it?  For now, I have to go and 
approve every message where someone has included my list posting 
address with other addresses.  Kind of a pain.
See 'Recipient filters' under 'Privacy options'.
-Jeff
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[Mailman-Users] Too many recipients ??

[David C. Hicks]

Hi,
I've been getting a lot of errors of this nature lately on a list that I run.  It appears that 
mailman might be trying to re-send the message to everyone in the "To:" field, instead 
of just to the list members, and it isn't expecting to have to do that.  I can't find any 
configuration item that seems to be able to control this behavior.
Anyone seen this or know anything about it?  For now, I have to go and approve every 
message where someone has included my list posting address with other addresses.  Kind 
of a pain.
Thanks!
Dave
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients ?

[Detlef Neubauer]

Michael H Moran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Running  MM 2.0.10 on RH 7.2 with RH's sendmail.
> Got a couple of messages stuck in the mail queue
> which get the following error
> 
> 553 sorry, too many recipients (#5.7.1)
> 
> from sendmail.

Default in $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/Defaults.py is

SMTP_MAX_RCPT = 500

Add this line to $MAILMANHOME/Mailman/mm_cfg.py and change it into a
lower worth.


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[Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients ?

[Michael H Moran]

Running  MM 2.0.10 on RH 7.2 with RH's sendmail.
Got a couple of messages stuck in the mail queue
which get the following error

553 sorry, too many recipients (#5.7.1)

from sendmail.  This has just started happening nothing
on the machine has changed.  However, there have been 
a couple of gyrations with DNS (almost to the point
I'm going to take over running the name server).

Anyone have any thoughts ?

Thanks
Mike


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients Error

[Richard Barrett]

At 01:08 19/01/2002 -0700, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
>Mary-Kay Kaminski wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying: "Your mailis being
> > held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it
> > is being held: Too many recipients."
> >
> > A search of this error in your discussion archives has shed no light.
> > Any ideas?  All advice appreciated.
>
> By default, MM will only allow up to 10 recipients in a message 
> header (look in ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py).  Anything more than that 
> and MM will hold the message and replying to the sender that they should 
> trim the recipient list.  Ask her to send a message to MM with less than 
> 10 other addresses CC-ed in it.

You can change the max_num_recipients parameter (labelled 'Ceiling on 
acceptable number of recipients for a posting') for a given list via the 
list's Privacy Options admin web GUI page.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients Error

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

Mary-Kay Kaminski wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying: "Your mailis being
> held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it
> is being held: Too many recipients."
>
> A search of this error in your discussion archives has shed no light.
> Any ideas?  All advice appreciated.

By default, MM will only allow up to 10 recipients in a message header (look in 
~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py).  Anything more than that and MM will hold the message 
and replying to the sender that they should trim the recipient list.  Ask her to send 
a message to MM with less than 10 other addresses CC-ed in it.

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[Mailman-Users] Too Many Recipients Error

[Mary-Kay Kaminski]

A person with an email address that appears in "Addresses of members
accepted for posting to this list without implicit approval requirement"
experienced a strange problem sending to one of our MailMan lists.  The
list hadn't changed and her message appeared to send as it normally
would. However, she then received an email from
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held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it
is being held: Too many recipients."

 The list administrator subsequently approved the email, and
they have now gone through. But, I don't understand why they just didn't
go through automatically. Please educate me on what "Too many
recipients" means and what I need to do to prevent this from happening
again.

A search of this error in your discussion archives has shed no light. 
Any ideas?  All advice appreciated.
Thank You 
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