Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing not made easy?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/7/18 5:06 AM, Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> Today a subscriber of a list sent an empty email trying to unsubscribe. He 
> addressed the message to the list address , with the 
> subject "unsubscribe", and else nothing. But instead of his unsubsciption 
> being processed, Mailman sent a message to the kist owners telling us to 
> approve or reject the message. 
> 
> As a reason it was mentioned "message might contain mailman commands". 


The message was held and the owners were notified because the list's web
admin General Options -> administrivia setting is Yes. If it were No,
the message would have been accepted as a post and delivered to the list
members.


> Of course, at the end of each list message a footer is added mentioning the 
>  address - but isn't it a standard alternative 
> procedure to unsubscibe using the command in the subject field of an else 
> empty message? 


If such a message is sent to the listname-request address, it would be
processed as an unsubscribe command.

Given that it was sent to the list posting address, when administrivia
is Yes, the message is held so an owner/moderator can review it and take
appropriate action.


> Is there anything I could do with the list configuration to correct the 
> behaviour? 


The behavior you observed is exactly as intended. If administrivia is
Yes, Mailman attempts to recognize messages with commands sent to the
list rather than -request and hold them for owner/moderator action.
Since it is not possible in all cases to determine the intent of the
sender, it is better to have a human review the message than to have
something that was not intended to be a command be processed as a command.

Mailman is doing the right thing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing not made easy?

[mailman-admin]

Hi

Am 07.12.18 um 14:06 schrieb Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users:
> 
> I have a Mailman 2.1.27 installation on cPanel 76.0.7. 
> 
> Today a subscriber of a list sent an empty email trying to unsubscribe. He 
> addressed the message to the list address , with the 
> subject "unsubscribe", and else nothing. But instead of his unsubsciption 
> being processed, Mailman sent a message to the kist owners telling us to 
> approve or reject the message. 
> 
> As a reason it was mentioned "message might contain mailman commands". 
> 
> Of course, at the end of each list message a footer is added mentioning the 
>  address - but isn't it a standard alternative 
> procedure to unsubscibe using the command in the subject field of an else 
> empty message? 
> 

No.


> Is there anything I could do with the list configuration to correct the 
> behaviour? 
> 

No, as the behaviour is correct.
Your list owners could manually remove the user as requested.


Kind regards,
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing not made easy?

[Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users]

Hi all

I have a Mailman 2.1.27 installation on cPanel 76.0.7. 

Today a subscriber of a list sent an empty email trying to unsubscribe. He 
addressed the message to the list address , with the 
subject "unsubscribe", and else nothing. But instead of his unsubsciption being 
processed, Mailman sent a message to the kist owners telling us to approve or 
reject the message. 

As a reason it was mentioned "message might contain mailman commands". 

Of course, at the end of each list message a footer is added mentioning the 
 address - but isn't it a standard alternative 
procedure to unsubscibe using the command in the subject field of an else empty 
message? 

Is there anything I could do with the list configuration to correct the 
behaviour? 

Thank you
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing on ARF reports

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

> > > I know the python.org listmasters have some working Python scripts to
> > > do that stuff (it's mentioned in Ralf's/Patrick's deliverability
> > > slides), do you guys share?
> > 
> > No scripts. It's merely reading the ARF
> 
> WTF?!? That must be a pretty low volume of ARFs.

Yep.
maybe two per week.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing on ARF reports

[Stefan Foerster]

* Ralf Hildebrandt :
> * Stefan Foerster :
> > I know the python.org listmasters have some working Python scripts to
> > do that stuff (it's mentioned in Ralf's/Patrick's deliverability
> > slides), do you guys share?
> 
> No scripts. It's merely reading the ARF

WTF?!? That must be a pretty low volume of ARFs.


arf arf
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing on ARF reports

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Stefan Foerster :
> The subject pretty much sums it up: How do I unsubscribe morons^Wusers that
> report list mail as spam instead of unsubscribing, causing ARF reports
> from their mail service providers?

Just do it :)

> I know the python.org listmasters have some working Python scripts to
> do that stuff (it's mentioned in Ralf's/Patrick's deliverability
> slides), do you guys share?

No scripts. It's merely reading the ARF

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing on ARF reports

[Stefan Foerster]

The subject pretty much sums it up: How do I unsubscribe morons^Wusers that
report list mail as spam instead of unsubscribing, causing ARF reports
from their mail service providers?

I know the python.org listmasters have some working Python scripts to
do that stuff (it's mentioned in Ralf's/Patrick's deliverability
slides), do you guys share?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 1/8/2010 1:04 AM, Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:
> 
> J'ai créé une liste de distribution avec ses abonnés et un modérateur. Parmi
> les abonnées se trouve d'autres listes de distribution, X, Y,Z. Comment
> faire pour que, une fois que le modérateur approuve un message, les abonnées
> des liste de distribution X,Y,Z reçoivent tout de suite le message approuvé
> sans que les modérateur de ces listes ré approuve encore le message envoyé?
> Ces listes de distribution sont des abonnées qui contiennent d'autres
> abonnées.


A rough translation from


> I created a list of distribution with his subscribers and a moderator. Among
> the subscribers is of other lists of distribution, X, Y, Z. How
> make so that, once the moderator approves a message, the subscribers
> of list of distribution X, Y, Z receive right away the approved message
> without that moderator of these lists ré still approves the sent message?
> These lists of distribution are subscribers who contain others
> subscribers.

This question is addressed in the FAQs at 
and . You may also wish to consider that
instead of adding the X,Y and Z lists as members of the parent list you
can add them as regular_include_lists as discussed at the end of the FAQ
at .

Also, please note that mailman-users@python.org is an English language
list. It is impolite to post in other languages that many list members
do not understand. We try to be as helpful as we can, but we request
that posts be in English.

Machine translation of the above:

Cette question est adressée dans le FAQs à 
et . Vous pouvez vouloir aussi estimer
qu'au lieu d'ajouter les X, Y et Z énumère comme les membres de la liste
parentale vous pouvez les ajouter comme regular_include_lists comme
discuté à la fin du FAQ à .

Aussi, notez s'il vous plaît qu'est mailman-users@python.org une liste
de langue anglaise. Il est impoli pour voyager par la poste dans
d'autres langues que beaucoup de membres de liste ne comprennent pas.
Nous essayons d'être aussi secourables que nous pouvons, mais nous
demandons que les postes soient en anglais.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Marie-Yvette INGABIRE]

Bonojour,

J'ai créé une liste de distribution avec ses abonnés et un modérateur. Parmi
les abonnées se trouve d'autres listes de distribution, X, Y,Z. Comment
faire pour que, une fois que le modérateur approuve un message, les abonnées
des liste de distribution X,Y,Z reçoivent tout de suite le message approuvé
sans que les modérateur de ces listes ré approuve encore le message envoyé?
Ces listes de distribution sont des abonnées qui contiennent d'autres
abonnées.

Merci

Bien à vous

Marie Yvette Leguojeu

Le 7 janvier 2010 09:00, Marie-Yvette INGABIRE  a
écrit :

> Olda,
>
> Vous débrouillez bien en français...j'ai compris ce que m'avais écris. je
> vais donc contacter mon administrateur pour voir ce qu'il peut faire.
>
> Merci
>
> Marie-Yvette
>
> Le 6 janvier 2010 22:06, Terri Oda  a écrit :
>
> Marie-Yvette,
>>
>> (Apologies en advance: je n'ecrit pas tellement bien en français.)
>>
>> Oui, les messages rejectés ne vais pas etre au archive -- c'est normal.
>>  Si tu veut un record personel, vous pouvez t'envoyé un copie manuellement
>> avec l'interface web chaque fois que vous rejet une message, ou vous pouvez
>> utilizé l'option pour préserver au disque.
>>
>> Malheureusement, nous ne peuvons pas t'aider avec activer cet option: Vous
>> avez contacté la liste mailman-users, une liste pour les personnes qui
>> utilize le logiciel Mailman.  Mais pour activer cet option, il faut que vous
>> contact votre adminstrateur du site pour votre liste specifique.  Je ne
>> savent pas qui ce serait.
>>
>>  Terri
>>
>>
>> Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:
>>
>>> Bonjour,
>>>
>>> Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution,
>>> pour
>>> avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.
>>>
>>> Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
>>> sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de
>>> trace.
>>> D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option
>>> "*Détails
>>> de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de
>>> "Préserver"
>>> les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont
>>> sauvé
>>> dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la
>>> liste
>>> puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout
>>> court.
>>> Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
>>> l'administrateur du site.
>>>
>>> Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?
>>>
>>> Merci
>>>
>>> Cordialement,
>>>
>>> Marie Yvette Leguojeu
>>>
>>> 2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 
>>>
>>>  Christopher Adams wrote:

> 3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
> domain
>

 You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
 legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
 directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
 spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Marie-Yvette INGABIRE]

Olda,

Vous débrouillez bien en français...j'ai compris ce que m'avais écris. je
vais donc contacter mon administrateur pour voir ce qu'il peut faire.

Merci

Marie-Yvette

Le 6 janvier 2010 22:06, Terri Oda  a écrit :

> Marie-Yvette,
>
> (Apologies en advance: je n'ecrit pas tellement bien en français.)
>
> Oui, les messages rejectés ne vais pas etre au archive -- c'est normal.  Si
> tu veut un record personel, vous pouvez t'envoyé un copie manuellement avec
> l'interface web chaque fois que vous rejet une message, ou vous pouvez
> utilizé l'option pour préserver au disque.
>
> Malheureusement, nous ne peuvons pas t'aider avec activer cet option: Vous
> avez contacté la liste mailman-users, une liste pour les personnes qui
> utilize le logiciel Mailman.  Mais pour activer cet option, il faut que vous
> contact votre adminstrateur du site pour votre liste specifique.  Je ne
> savent pas qui ce serait.
>
>  Terri
>
>
> Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:
>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>> Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution,
>> pour
>> avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.
>>
>> Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
>> sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de
>> trace.
>> D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option
>> "*Détails
>> de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
>> les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont
>> sauvé
>> dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la
>> liste
>> puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
>> Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
>> l'administrateur du site.
>>
>> Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?
>>
>> Merci
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>> Marie Yvette Leguojeu
>>
>> 2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 
>>
>>  Christopher Adams wrote:
>>>
 3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
 domain

>>>
>>> You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
>>> legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
>>> directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
>>> spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
>>> ignore them.
>>>
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>>
>>
>>


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Terri Oda]

Marie-Yvette,

(Apologies en advance: je n'ecrit pas tellement bien en français.)

Oui, les messages rejectés ne vais pas etre au archive -- c'est normal. 
 Si tu veut un record personel, vous pouvez t'envoyé un copie 
manuellement avec l'interface web chaque fois que vous rejet une 
message, ou vous pouvez utilizé l'option pour préserver au disque.


Malheureusement, nous ne peuvons pas t'aider avec activer cet option: 
Vous avez contacté la liste mailman-users, une liste pour les personnes 
qui utilize le logiciel Mailman.  Mais pour activer cet option, il faut 
que vous contact votre adminstrateur du site pour votre liste 
specifique.  Je ne savent pas qui ce serait.


 Terri

Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution, pour
avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.

Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de trace.
D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option "*Détails
de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont sauvé
dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la liste
puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
l'administrateur du site.

Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?

Merci

Cordialement,

Marie Yvette Leguojeu

2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 


Christopher Adams wrote:

3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
domain


You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
ignore them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Terri Oda]

In case anyone is wondering what Marie-Yvette is asking, her message 
says that she's trying to make her mailing list archives more useful to 
her, and has noticed that approved messages are archived but rejected 
ones disappear.  She's noticed that there is an option to save rejected 
messages to a file, but that option is not available unless activated by 
the administrator.  So she's asking for that option to be activated.


(Which obviously, we can't do, and I'm not sure who to tell her to 
contact.)


Marie-Yvette INGABIRE wrote:

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution, pour
avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.

Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de trace.
D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option "*Détails
de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont sauvé
dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la liste
puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
l'administrateur du site.

Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?

Merci

Cordialement,

Marie Yvette Leguojeu

2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 


Christopher Adams wrote:

3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
domain


You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
ignore them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Marie-Yvette INGABIRE]

Bonjour,

Je suis en train de configurer la catégorie une liste de distribution, pour
avoir un archivage de message assez utile pour moi.

Après les tests que j'ai faits jusqu'à maintenant, les messages approuvés
sont archivés, tandis que ceux qui sont rejetés, je ne trouve pas de trace.
D'après la catégorie de configuration "*Filtre de contenu*", option "*Détails
de filter action*" il y a différents choix. Quand on choisi de "Préserver"
les messages supprimés, ils expliquent que ces messages(rejetés) sont sauvé
dans une "*file*" d'atteinte du disque pour que l'administrateur de la liste
puisse les voir ou les récupérer s'il le veut ou les supprimer tout court.
Mais cet option est disponible seulement après activation par
l'administrateur du site.

Est-il possible d'activer cet option ?

Merci

Cordialement,

Marie Yvette Leguojeu

2010/1/6 Mark Sapiro 

> Christopher Adams wrote:
> >
> > 3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
> >domain
>
>
> You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
> legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
> directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
> spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
> ignore them.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Adams wrote:
>
> 3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
>domain


You are probably aware of this, but for those who may not be,
legitimate search engines and such will honor your robots.txt file
directives and meta tag (no)index,(no)follow directives in pages, but
spammers and the like crawling your site for nefarious purposes will
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fell swoop?

[Christopher Adams]

We host over 600 lists and have about 250,000 subscribers. List owners have
been asking me about how particular subscribers were able to subscribe to
their lists. Well, in some cases, the list had open subscription. However,
in almost all cases, the subscribers were from zeusmail.org. I did a scan of
the subscribe logs and found over 800 subscribed addresses using
zeusmail.org domain. Interestingly, all subscriptions come from the same IP
address. Looking at the addresses, it is obvious that they are bogus, though
they are interesting and rather humorous names that when all are put
together, show a pattern of automated subscriptions. I checked the post logs
and found that none from that domain had posted.

So, I have done a couple of things. 1) blocked the ip at the firewall, 2)
created a Postfix filter to not allow that domain to be able to send through
the mail server, 3) added a robots.txt file to specifically block that
domain, and 4) unsubscribed all zeusmail.org subscribers using the script
Mark provided. It seems that zeusmail.org is a legitimate and
non-blacklisted domain, but it just reeks of spammers. If there is a problem
with the few that may be legitimate, they can easily be reinstated.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Christopher Adams  wrote:

> A spammer has subscribed completely unique addresses from the same domain
> to many of the mailing lists that we host. Is there a way to unsubscribe
> everything from this domain without writing a script that will do it?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[David Andrews]

At 07:25 PM 1/4/2010, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Christopher Adams wrote:

>A spammer has subscribed completely unique addresses from the same domain to
>many of the mailing lists that we host. Is there a way to unsubscribe
>everything from this domain without writing a script that will do it?


Would that domain be "zeusmail.org."  I have had a similar occurrence 
-- and don't know why -- have seen nothing bad from it, but got 
unique subscriptions to over 100 lists from a zeusmail.org 
domain.  Since all my lists deal with a specialized topic (blindness) 
it is unlikely that 100 or more individuals were interested from the 
same domain -- but I have seen nothing bad happen yet -- just suspicious.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Christopher Adams]

Thanks, Mark. I was just starting to construct a script, but yours is much
more streamlined and works just fine. Thanks. Anyone else dealing with
zeusmail.org ?

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> Christopher Adams wrote:
>
> >A spammer has subscribed completely unique addresses from the same domain
> to
> >many of the mailing lists that we host. Is there a way to unsubscribe
> >everything from this domain without writing a script that will do it?
>
>
> If you mean 'automatically' as opposed to just manually going through
> the lists and unsubscribing addresses, no. However, there are lots of
> very simple scripts. Consider
>
> #!/bin/sh
> for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`; do
>bin/list_members $list | grep example.com | \
>bin/remove_members -f - -n -N $list
> done
>
> where example.com is the domain.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fellswoop?

[Mark Sapiro]

Christopher Adams wrote:

>A spammer has subscribed completely unique addresses from the same domain to
>many of the mailing lists that we host. Is there a way to unsubscribe
>everything from this domain without writing a script that will do it?


If you mean 'automatically' as opposed to just manually going through
the lists and unsubscribing addresses, no. However, there are lots of
very simple scripts. Consider

#!/bin/sh
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`; do
bin/list_members $list | grep example.com | \
bin/remove_members -f - -n -N $list
done

where example.com is the domain.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribing addresses from domain in one fell swoop?

[Christopher Adams]

A spammer has subscribed completely unique addresses from the same domain to
many of the mailing lists that we host. Is there a way to unsubscribe
everything from this domain without writing a script that will do it?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Bernd Petrovitsch]

On Die, 2008-07-01 at 16:39 +1000, Doug Laidlaw wrote:
> I am unsubscribing.  Thanks very much for helping with my inquiry, Mark.  The 
> other queries don't apply to me, and I can offer no help with them.
> 
> On my inquiry, one would think that an OS that wants to rule the world would 
> be compatible with the most popular mailing list software.  Oh, well...

You have to complain about this ("Mailman should run on Windows") to
MSFT.
But I don't think that is what you meant (or need).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Jan Steinman]

From: Doug Laidlaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

... one would think that an OS that wants to rule the world would
be compatible with the most popular mailing list software.  Oh,  
well...


Wow, you mean Microsoft is going to be compatible with Mailman?  
Cool! :-)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Steve Burling]

--On July 1, 2008 4:39:34 PM +1000 Doug Laidlaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



On my inquiry, one would think that an OS that wants to rule the world
would  be compatible with the most popular mailing list software.  Oh,
well...


To which I reply:

There is the source of your confusion.  You are under the impression that 
Microsoft cares about how their software interacts with non-Microsoft 
products.  They don't.  You should just be using all Microsoft products, 
then everything would be good and right.


Drink the Kool-Aid, Doug.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Doug Laidlaw]

I am unsubscribing.  Thanks very much for helping with my inquiry, Mark.  The 
other queries don't apply to me, and I can offer no help with them.

On my inquiry, one would think that an OS that wants to rule the world would 
be compatible with the most popular mailing list software.  Oh, well...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing to a moderated list

[Mark Sapiro]

Kiwi Ssennyonjo wrote:

>how can users unsubscribe from a moderated list that is also announce  
>only via email (in the subject or body)
>
>i prefer not to use the options page

Users can always send email to the listname-unsubscribe or
listname-leave address or send an unsubscribe command to the
listname-request address. These methods require user confirmation just
as does unsubscribing from the options page without a password, but
the fact that the user is moderated is irrelevant.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribing to a moderated list

[Kiwi Ssennyonjo]

how can users unsubscribe from a moderated list that is also announce  
only via email (in the subject or body)

i prefer not to use the options page
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing via e-mail ...

[Mark Sapiro]

Jason LaMar wrote:

>I just want to confirm that it's possible for a list member to unsubscribe
>from a list via e-mail -- with an e-mail reply confirmation, rather than any
>sort of password confirmation -- if they send a blank message to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Yes


>Also, what if this message ISN'T blank? Will Mailman disregard and message
>body content, assuming this address is correct for the list?


Yes

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing via e-mail ...

[Jason LaMar]

I just want to confirm that it's possible for a list member to unsubscribe
from a list via e-mail -- with an e-mail reply confirmation, rather than any
sort of password confirmation -- if they send a blank message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also, what if this message ISN'T blank? Will Mailman disregard and message
body content, assuming this address is correct for the list?



Thanks,

Jason

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing Problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Keith Casey wrote:

>I just 'inhereted' a mailing list and I'm just trying to figure out my
>way around.. yes.. a total n00b.
>
>I spent an hour or so looking for a solution to a problem that many
>people are expereincing on the list.
>
>When they want to unsubscribe on the wed interface, one inputs their
>e-mail address (it exists in the list) and when they press the
>'Unsubscribe or Edit Options" button, they are sent to the 'subscribe'
>page and it says this:
>
>Subscription results
>Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted
>upon. Depending on the configuration of this mailing list, your
>subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via email,
>or approved by the list moderator. If confirmation is required, you
>will soon get a confirmation email which contains further
>instructions.
>
>Then an e-mail is generated stating that someone has tried subscribing
>you to a list that you're already on.
>
>It doesn't bring them to an edit or unsubscribe page when they press
>the button after they put in their e-mail address which shouldn't
>it be brining the user there?
>
>We're using version 2.1.5.

Here's my guess.

Someone has edited the template for the listinfo page, probably using
the "Edit the public HTML pages"->"General list information page"
link, but possibly via shell access.

This edit attempted to rearrange the page and has resulted in the
"Unsubscribe or edit options" form being logically nested within the
"Subscribe" form. This is an easy mistake to make because the start
tag for the "Subscribe" form comes too early in the template.

Each form in the template begins with a tag of the form
 and ends with the tag .

In the default template, the  tag comes way
too soon on the page, so attempts to rearrange things may move its
 tag after another form without moving the start tag or
move another form into the area between the 
tag and its  tag.

The default English template (which should be unchanged is in
templates/en/listinfo.html. The one for your list is probably in
lists/list-name/en/listinfo.html.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing Problem

[Keith Casey]

I just 'inhereted' a mailing list and I'm just trying to figure out my
way around.. yes.. a total n00b.

I spent an hour or so looking for a solution to a problem that many
people are expereincing on the list.

When they want to unsubscribe on the wed interface, one inputs their
e-mail address (it exists in the list) and when they press the
'Unsubscribe or Edit Options" button, they are sent to the 'subscribe'
page and it says this:

Subscription results
Your subscription request has been received, and will soon be acted
upon. Depending on the configuration of this mailing list, your
subscription request may have to be first confirmed by you via email,
or approved by the list moderator. If confirmation is required, you
will soon get a confirmation email which contains further
instructions.

Then an e-mail is generated stating that someone has tried subscribing
you to a list that you're already on.

It doesn't bring them to an edit or unsubscribe page when they press
the button after they put in their e-mail address which shouldn't
it be brining the user there?

We're using version 2.1.5.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing members from several lists at once

[Jon Carnes]

If you have access to the server, there is a command called
remove_members.  This command can remove an email address from all
lists.

If you do not have access to the server, then you may wish to have the
server administrator make this command available via a sudo-CGI or make
it accessible as an email command.

HtH - Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 07:28, Bart Jacobs wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am a officenet administrator and see a lot off people come and go.
> Every time someone leaves i have to cheq all the lists an unsubscribe
> him/her.
> I am looking for a more simple way to do that.
> Is there a possability to unsubscribe by email so i can send an email to all
> lists.
> And what will hapen if the adress is not even on that list?
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> VIA NET.WORKS Nederland
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing members from several lists at once

[Bart Jacobs]

Hello,

I am a officenet administrator and see a lot off people come and go.
Every time someone leaves i have to cheq all the lists an unsubscribe
him/her.
I am looking for a more simple way to do that.
Is there a possability to unsubscribe by email so i can send an email to all
lists.
And what will hapen if the adress is not even on that list?
Thanks in advance,

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without password?

[JustinHoMi]

I have an idea. I looked through the templates, and saw the password template 
variable. I tried using that in the resent mail footer, but it didn't parse. I was 
thinking I'd have a "mailto:"; with the subject set with the proper line to 
unsubscribe, including their password. It didn't work, but is there any way to get 
mailman to parse that variable in the footer? I went through all the source and 
couldn't find anything, but I'm more of a perl guy than python.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without password?

[JustinHoMi]

Yeah, I understand this, but it's too much of a hassle for users to have to retrieve 
their password like this. Not everyone is as computer savvy as you might think... all 
of the people on my list are international students. Most don't speak english well, 
and many of them will never of even used a computer before they arrived in the US. 
Other listservs make it very simple to unsubscribe... with majordomo, you just send an 
email with "unsubscribe " to a certain address. Ezmlm is even easier than 
that... just send any email to the unsubscribe address. The chances are SLIM that 
you'll accidentally unsubscribe yourself. They're even slimmer that some evil fool 
will try to unsubscribe you. I love mailman... it's by far my favorite listserv, but 
this one issue is keeping me from using it. :(

Justin


In a message dated Sat, 3 Aug 2002 6:59:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Support Desk" 
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>
>The password requirement is for subscriber protection, both, against getting
>subscribed unwillingly, and getting dropped inadvertently. Mailman, by
>default,
>automatically sends the password every month, so users are constantly
>reminded
>of password. If you "add" everyone, say, on the 25th of a month, then, on
>the 1st
>day of subsequent months, they receive their reminder. Those who **really**
>don't want to be on the list will make the effort to follow the unsubscribe
>instructions. If you include the links to "list info" and unsubscribe
>instructions
>in the header or footer of every message, they should be able to leave and
>change by simple steps.
>SD
>
>- Original Message -
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:35 AM
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without password?
>
>
>| Hi. I've recently installed mailman, and would like to use it so that our
>organization can send announcements to the subscriber list. All of the users
>are added by us... it will be rare that anyone subscribes themself. But
>users will be unsubscribing thereselves. So, when someone wants to
>unsubscribe, it makes it a hassle for them to go and find their password
>since they didn't create it in the first place. Is there any simple way for
>a user to unsubscribe without their password? I noticed that 2.1 is in beta,
>but I saw no changelog, so I'm not sure if something like this has been
>implemented yet.
>|
>| Thanks,
>| Justin
>|
>|
>
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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without password?

[JustinHoMi]

Hi. I've recently installed mailman, and would like to use it so that our organization 
can send announcements to the subscriber list. All of the users are added by us... it 
will be rare that anyone subscribes themself. But users will be unsubscribing 
thereselves. So, when someone wants to unsubscribe, it makes it a hassle for them to 
go and find their password since they didn't create it in the first place. Is there 
any simple way for a user to unsubscribe without their password? I noticed that 2.1 is 
in beta, but I saw no changelog, so I'm not sure if something like this has been 
implemented yet.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing "quote" email addresses

[Joern Nettingsmeier]

"Jack L. Stone" wrote:
> 
> Have you tried double quotes...??? like:
> 
> ""[EMAIL PROTECTED]""
> 
> At 10:51 AM 6.18.2002 -0500, David Brauer wrote:
> >I have a problem unsubscribing a member who put quotes in her email address
> >(i.e. "joanblow"@blahblah.com rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

i have the same situation here, and the problem is that the web
interface chokes on those, i.e. they are displayed, but nothing happens
when you uncheck the "subscribed" box.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing "quote" email addresses

[Jack L. Stone]

Have you tried double quotes...??? like:

""[EMAIL PROTECTED]""

At 10:51 AM 6.18.2002 -0500, David Brauer wrote:
>I have a problem unsubscribing a member who put quotes in her email address
>(i.e. "joanblow"@blahblah.com rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED]).
>
>Mailman accepted the subscription with quotes, but any time I try to change
>her options or unsubscribe her via the interface, the system records her as
>not subscribed. I've tried without quotes, but that doesn't work (no record
>of a quote-less address).
>
>If anyone can tell me how to remove a subscription with quotes, I'd be most
>grateful. This user is subscribed from a work address and needs to
>unsubscribe. Yeah, it was probably her fault in the first place, but I'd
>like to help her out and fix a possible Mailman bug at the same time.
>
>Thanks,
>David Brauer
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>Minneapolis
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Best regards,
Jack L. Stone,
Administrator

Sage American
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing "quote" email addresses

[David Brauer]

I have a problem unsubscribing a member who put quotes in her email address
(i.e. "joanblow"@blahblah.com rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Mailman accepted the subscription with quotes, but any time I try to change
her options or unsubscribe her via the interface, the system records her as
not subscribed. I've tried without quotes, but that doesn't work (no record
of a quote-less address).

If anyone can tell me how to remove a subscription with quotes, I'd be most
grateful. This user is subscribed from a work address and needs to
unsubscribe. Yeah, it was probably her fault in the first place, but I'd
like to help her out and fix a possible Mailman bug at the same time.

Thanks,
David Brauer
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing with just a reply

[Jon Carnes]

This is not a function of the current Mailman release, but your system 
admin can set this up for you.  

Basically setup an address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and then have that email actually active a script that boots out the user 
from the group.

On Sunday 09 June 2002 03:28 am, Jerome Warnier wrote:
> Is there any mean to authorize unsubscribing by email without the
> password?
>
> In this case, the originator address would be enough.
>
> Thanks
>
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing with just a reply

[Jerome Warnier]

Is there any mean to authorize unsubscribing by email without the password?

In this case, the originator address would be enough.

Thanks




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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing without a password

[JAKStar Enterprises]

Does a password HAVE TO BE set up for each user when they subscribe?  I do
not want my clients to have to track a password to unsubscribe from a list.

D. Jeffrey Morrow

JAKStar Enterprises, Inc.
We build web sites so you don't have to!

100 Cavendish Drive - Cary, North Carolina 27513
Phone: 919-467-8410  Fax: (707) 924-0012

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Gibsonha]

How do I unsubscribe from your site?

Thanks

Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users

[Paul Croft]

Yes you are...I missed it too at the start...all you need to do is uncheck 
the check mark next to their name and then choose the submit button at the 
bottom of the page!

Paul

All my lists in one place...MY SITE!
http://lists.paulsfunhouse.com/


At 06:14 PM 08/03/02, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>hi !
>
>I just have set up several lists with the mailman.
>easy task! great !
>
>but:
>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
>am i missing something obvious ???
>
>mfg.as.raas
>IOhannes





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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users

[John W Baxter]

At 1:14 +0100 3/9/2002, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>but:
>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
>am i missing something obvious ???

No.

That is, you aren't missing anything obvious.  The method is not obvious
until after you know it.  In the administrator's Membership Management page,
find the address in the list,
uncheck the "subscr" column for the address
(whose heading has likely scrolled off the top), and
submit your changes

If you have access to the command line, as the mailman user, on the server,
you can use
   .../bin/remove_members
to remove many members at once [or just one, for that matter].  Without
that access, you're stuck in the web tool.

  --John

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users

[Satya]

On Mar 9, 2002 at 01:14, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

>how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
>there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.

Uncheck the "subscribed" checkbox in the user list.

>am i missing something obvious ???

Yes.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users

[IOhannes m zmoelnig]

hi !

I just have set up several lists with the mailman.
easy task! great !

but:
how can i (the administrator) unsubscribe "unwanted" users ?
there does not seem to be an interface for such a task.
am i missing something obvious ???

mfg.as.raas
IOhannes


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without the use of passwords?

[Jon Carnes]

Look through the Archives.  There are several schemes for doing this.  
There are even some patches that modify Mailman so that certain lists do 
not use passwords.

Jon Carnes

On Friday 01 February 2002 10:37, Ralph Haine wrote:
> Dear Reader(s),
>
> Currently im trying to help one on our customers solving a problem
> dealing with people wanting to unsubscribe from a certain mailing list.
> The customer is using mailman for the first time and asked me wether its
> possible for people on the list, to unsubscribe without having to use
> their password.(the password that they get sent in the monthly reminder)
>
> I've been looking through the FAQ, and the only answer i found is that it
> doesnt seem possible what this customer wants.
> I didnt find a box to tick/untick which has an option to make it an
> unsubscription possible without a password.
>
> On the old mailinglist system this customer was using it was possible.
>
> I would be very pleased if you could answer this question for me. I
> personally expect that its not possible what this customer wants.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Ralph Haine
> Via.NET.Works Netherlands Support.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribing without the use of passwords?

[Ralph Haine]

Dear Reader(s),

Currently im trying to help one on our customers solving a problem dealing
with people wanting to unsubscribe from a certain mailing list. The customer
is using mailman for the first time and asked me wether its possible for
people on the list, to unsubscribe without having to use their password.(the
password that they get sent in the monthly reminder)

I've been looking through the FAQ, and the only answer i found is that it
doesnt seem possible what this customer wants.
I didnt find a box to tick/untick which has an option to make it an
unsubscription possible without a password.

On the old mailinglist system this customer was using it was possible.

I would be very pleased if you could answer this question for me. I
personally expect that its not possible what this customer wants.

Kind regards,

Ralph Haine
Via.NET.Works Netherlands Support.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users without notification

[Jon Carnes]

First of all, you should let Mailman remove users who are bouncing
excessively.  Check out the admin options for this and modify if necessary.
This is not a task that you should be worrying about - that is why you use
Mailman...

If you really want to catch the traffic for an unsubscribe then turn off
your MTA (Sendmail, or whatever) then do the unsubscribe.  Delete the
created message out of your queue. Turn your MTA back on.
There are also various MTA add-ons that will let you catch the traffic
before it leaves your site.

Jon Carnes
- Original Message -
From: "J. Frederick Ball OEF" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 6:06 PM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users without notification


> Is there a way (running Mailman 2.0.7) to remove a user from a list
> *without* allowing a message to go out to that person?  I have two
> instances where this would be helpful.
>
> One is a case where sendmail reports "Can not check MX records for
> recipient host domainname.com" and Mailman has been trying to deliver the
> message forever.  The other is a case where somehow, probably in a mass
> subscription, someone was subscribed with [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the address --
> that is, it should have been "net" not "ne" -- and I want to remove that
> person from the list.  Obviously, it is pointless to mail a notification
of
> such action to a bad address.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Fred Ball
>
>
>
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users without notification

[J. Frederick Ball OEF]

Is there a way (running Mailman 2.0.7) to remove a user from a list 
*without* allowing a message to go out to that person?  I have two 
instances where this would be helpful.

One is a case where sendmail reports "Can not check MX records for 
recipient host domainname.com" and Mailman has been trying to deliver the 
message forever.  The other is a case where somehow, probably in a mass 
subscription, someone was subscribed with [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the address -- 
that is, it should have been "net" not "ne" -- and I want to remove that 
person from the list.  Obviously, it is pointless to mail a notification of 
such action to a bad address.

Ideas?

Fred Ball



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing from this list

[Jon Carnes]

Go to the following site and unsubscribe yourself:
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

You will need your password.  Put your email address in the last field on 
the bottom of the page, and submit.  A new web page specific to your 
account will pop-up and you can request your password here, or enter it and 
unsubscribe.

Jon Carnes

On Saturday 10 November 2001 11:43, Richard Marston wrote:
> Could someone send me instructions? Thanks in advance.
>
> RM
>
> __
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing from this list

[Richard Marston]

Could someone send me instructions? Thanks in advance.

RM

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Find a job, post your resume.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users

[jgo]

> Detlef Neubauer 2001-10-19 16:28:51 +0200 wrote:
>> "Clean Air" wrote:
>> Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system? 
>> I handle at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and
>> it's not fun to do it one at a time.

> ~/bin/remove_members

But why should one need to handle so many manually;
isn't this just for the unsubscribe messages that aren't
processed automagically by mailman for some reason?

John G. Otto, Eagle Scout, Knight, Cybernetic Praxeologist
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users

[Dan Mick]

It's already in 2.1

> It may have been discussed in the past, but wouldn't it also be a neat 
> idea to include this feature on the web interface?

> > ~/bin/remove_members


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users

[Barry A. Warsaw]

> "fb" == fred backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

fb> It may have been discussed in the past, but wouldn't it also
fb> be a neat idea to include this feature on the web interface?

In Mailman 2.1, you can mass unsubscribe by filling in addresses in a
big text box, or by uploading a file of addresses, one per line.
Note, this also works for mass subscribes.

-Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users

[fred backman]

It may have been discussed in the past, but wouldn't it also be a neat 
idea to include this feature on the web interface?

On Friday, October 19, 2001, at 03:28 PM, Detlef Neubauer wrote:

> "Clean Air" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system?  I handle
>> at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and it's not fun to do it
>> one at a time.
>
> ~/bin/remove_members
>
>
>  Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>  Detlef Neubauer
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users

[Detlef Neubauer]

"Clean Air" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the system?  I handle
> at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and it's not fun to do it
> one at a time.

~/bin/remove_members


 Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing users

[Clean Air]

Hello there,
 
Is there a way to mass-UNsubscribe users from the 
system?  I handle at least 50 unsubscribe requests a week, and it's not fun 
to do it one at a time.
 
Regards,
Raví Mark SinghCommunications and Membership CoordinatorOntario Clean Air 
Alliance416-926-1907 ext 245

[Mailman-Users] unsubscribing users problem?

[Tim Tyler]

  Mailman experts,
I have an owner of a list that cut and paste a lot of user addresses 
along with their full name at the end of their address into the 
subscription field.  For some reason it allowed the 
subscriptions.  However, it won't allow the owner to remove any names 
individually or collectively since they all appear to be invalid 
addresses.   The only way I could remove it was to go into the shell 
account and use the remove_members command.  Questions?
1. Shouldn't the subscription method have stopped these addresses if 
they were invalid in the first place?
2. Shouldn't it be possible for the owner to remove any addresses even 
if they are invalid (with spaces, etc)?  Any thoughts on this?
3. Any hope for a feature to allow owners one or two clicks to 
unsubscribe all  users from their list in the future?  Having to click next 
to each name for very large subscriptions can be a pain and I don't really 
want to allow shell access to the remove_members command if I can help it.
  Tim

Note: I am currently using mailman 2.03 on an AIX 4.3 system.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[J C Lawrence]

On Tue, 08 May 2001 16:57:11 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And while I understand there are certain circumstances wher ethis
> might be reasonable (for instance, one of my list servers managers
> department lists which are mandatory subscriptions), in general, I
> have to ask why someone wants to force someone to stick around
> when they don't want to be there.

Especially when setting NOMAIL is even easier than unsubscribing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[Chuq Von Rospach]

> John David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing?

> 
> Currently there is no direct support for this.

And while I understand there are certain circumstances wher ethis might be
reasonable (for instance, one of my list servers managers department lists
which are mandatory subscriptions), in general, I have to ask why someone
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[J C Lawrence]

On Tue, 08 May 2001 14:27:33 -0500 
John David Cole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing?  I know you can
> monitor subscriptions, but i did not see anything about monitoring
> unsubscribing.  Thanks for the help.

Currently there is no direct support for this.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribing

[John David Cole]

Is there a way to keep people from unsubscribing?  I know you can monitor
subscriptions, but i did not see anything about monitoring unsubscribing.
Thanks for the help.

John David Cole
University of Tennessee
Health Science Center
Computing & Telecommunications
(901)448-5848


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