Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Hi again, I found time to look for the minimal guide I had done: http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node50.html Look down towards the bottom of that page you should be able to see it's steps - the steps should also apply to OSX 10.4.x -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 --- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 --- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Again, I was just trying to help a newbie user. And thank you, Dan, for clarifying the misinformation about Mailman on OS X Server. I thought that I had made it clear that the Mailman interfaces work just fine there and that as far as Mailman is concerned, there's no need for Apple support. Either you use the Apple custom management GUI with the Apple-modified versions of the old code, or you use the new code (with the new features and the security fixes) with the standard Mailman web or CLI management interface. This statement by Brad is simply hogwash. Allan -- _ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | |P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home:| | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]| | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.rc.org/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
At 8:23 AM -0700 2006-04-30, Allan Hansen wrote: Again, I was just trying to help a newbie user. And thank you, Dan, for clarifying the misinformation about Mailman on OS X Server. I thought that I had made it clear that the Mailman interfaces work just fine there and that as far as Mailman is concerned, there's no need for Apple support. Either you use the Apple custom management GUI with the Apple-modified versions of the old code, or you use the new code (with the new features and the security fixes) with the standard Mailman web or CLI management interface. This statement by Brad is simply hogwash. I'm not personally acquainted with Mailman on MacOS X Server, so I had no information as to whether or not the standard Mailman web CLI admin interfaces would be available. However, regardless of whether or not you can use the Mailman standard web or CLI admin interfaces, I'm pretty sure that Apple doesn't support this method. Everything else I have said regarding Mailman on MacOS X Server is still applicable, and comes from first-hand accounts by people who work at Apple and others who have tried using their customized versions of the software. You can provide your own alternative experience on this subject, but every single other person I have heard from so far have been universally negative -- especially including the people at Apple themselves, including programmers who are responsible for development on other aspects of MacOS X. Apple has earned a very bad reputation with regards to MacOS X Server, both with this project, and with other projects whose software they have misappropriated and tacked on their own custom management interface, and then proceeded to provide *zero* support to their paying customers -- including extremely large Universities with tens of thousands of installed clients and at least hundreds or thousands of installed servers. The result is that those paying customers come to us for support, but we're very limited in what we can do to help, because Apple has not shared with us their modifications. This is about the worst thing that any OS vendor can do to an open source project. And Apple's done it to us in spades. Apple's not the only offender here -- cPanel is another, while Plesk at least sticks fairly closely to the version of the code that we shipped years ago and you can drop in a more recent version if you know what you're doing. This is a really old argument. You don't want to go down this road. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Celes, May I suggest that you get hold of Mac OS X Server and install that on you server instead. It comes with Mailman already installed and ready to go. It has a lot of other tools pre-installed that will be very useful to you. The Mac is a great platform for servers. That all said, you'll likely at some point need to install the Developer Tools anyway. Allan At 11:24 +0800 4/26/06, Celes Victoria wrote: thank u to reply (^_^)... no, i don't see it,.. are u forgot / misspell of afp458.com ? in there i just not find linked to mac... so the kind should i install from developer tools is FWIW? cos i'm newbie for mac os X i don't wanna get wrong to install it is apple.com provide the developer tools on it? can i download install it? thank you.. Yes, you must install the Developer Tools. FWIW, if you've already su'ed to root, there's no need for sudo. Have you seen the instructions at afp458.com? Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. http://sg.movies.yahoo.com/ -- _ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | |P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home:| | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]| | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.rc.org/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Celes, May I suggest that you get hold of Mac OS X Server and install that on you server instead. It comes with Mailman already installed and ready to go. It has a lot of other tools pre-installed that will be very useful to you. The Mac is a great platform for servers. That all said, you'll likely at some point need to install the Developer Tools anyway. Allan Hi again, Mailman installs works fine on OSX 'client'. Somewhere there is aguide I wrote to install it - just can't rememebr where right now - I think it is linked off the Mailman site somewhere. If the OP can't find it, I'll try to dig it up. -- Bye for now, Terry Allen ___ hEARd Postal Address: hEARd, 26B Glenning Rd, Glenning Valley, NSW 2261, Australia Internet - WWW: http://heard.com.au http://itavservices.com EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: Australia - 02 4388 1400 / International - + 61 2 43881400 Mobile: Australia - 04 28881400 / International - 61 4 28881400 --- Non profit promotion for new music - since 1994 --- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
At 4:24 PM -0700 2006-04-29, Allan Hansen wrote: May I suggest that you get hold of Mac OS X Server and install that on you server instead. It comes with Mailman already installed and ready to go. It has a lot of other tools pre-installed that will be very useful to you. The Mac is a great platform for servers. Using MacOS X Server is not necessarily the best idea if using Mailman is your goal. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp for more information, especially the links at the end. It appears that most people who want to use Mailman on MacOS X Server end up ripping out the Apple-supplied custom version and instead installing the standard version from our tarballs. If you're going to go that route, you might as well do that on MacOS X Client as opposed to spending lots of extra money for MacOS X Server. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
At 21:07 -0500 4/29/06, Brad Knowles wrote: At 4:24 PM -0700 2006-04-29, Allan Hansen wrote: May I suggest that you get hold of Mac OS X Server and install that on you server instead. It comes with Mailman already installed and ready to go. It has a lot of other tools pre-installed that will be very useful to you. The Mac is a great platform for servers. Using MacOS X Server is not necessarily the best idea if using Mailman is your goal. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp for more information, especially the links at the end. It appears that most people who want to use Mailman on MacOS X Server end up ripping out the Apple-supplied custom version and instead installing the standard version from our tarballs. If you're going to go that route, you might as well do that on MacOS X Client as opposed to spending lots of extra money for MacOS X Server. I agree that the Server Admin interface for Mailman is limited and too buggy to be of serious use. It can, however, allow someone new to the OS set up Mailman lists with not much ado, which was the situation at hand, Brad. Installing Mailman and other attendant server tools (in particular) is not, I believe a newbie's best path. Solutions should be tailored to the problems presented. Once Mailman is up and running, the administrator should, of course switch to web/command line tools. I have (so far) been successful setting up a workable system that allows my moderators to subscribe and unsubscribe and set member options. I run some close to 40 lists - granted not many but plenty to handle anyway. The server, lastly, does not cost lots of extra money for what you get. It's well worth it if you don't plan to be a full-time administrator. Allan -- _ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | |P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home:| | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] | | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.hansen-family.us/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- _ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | |P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home:| | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]| | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.rc.org/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
At 7:48 PM -0700 2006-04-29, Allan Hansen wrote: I agree that the Server Admin interface for Mailman is limited and too buggy to be of serious use. It can, however, allow someone new to the OS set up Mailman lists with not much ado, which was the situation at hand, Brad. Installing Mailman and other attendant server tools (in particular) is not, I believe a newbie's best path. Solutions should be tailored to the problems presented. The problem is that there are known security holes and other problems with the old version that Apple uses as part of their customized package, and you can't install the recent binaries on top of the old ones and get the Apple custom management GUI with the latest code. Either you use the Apple custom management GUI with the Apple-modified versions of the old code, or you use the new code (with the new features and the security fixes) with the standard Mailman web or CLI management interface. So, pick what is important for you -- do you want something secure where you can get support from all our resources (including this list), or do you want something that is easier to manage, but for which your only support options are to pay Apple and wait for them to get back to you at some point in the distant future? Keep in mind that Apple is well-known for blowing off their Server customers. They even blow off their own internal Apple employees who would like to use Server for their applications. One of the world's largest Mailman installations runs on MacOS X Server machines, but they don't use the Server version of Mailman. And they don't depend on getting support from the Server team. They treat it as any other Linux or Unix-like OS that they support themselves, where Mailman is installed from our source tarballs. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
On Apr 29, 2006, at 10:59 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: Either you use the Apple custom management GUI with the Apple-modified versions of the old code, or you use the new code (with the new features and the security fixes) with the standard Mailman web or CLI management interface. Just to clarify any possible ambiguity in Brad's post: Apple's version can be managed just fine with the standard Mailman web GUI and CLI, both of which are vastly superior to Apple's GUI. All one needs to do with Apple's interface is check enable mailing lists in Server Admin app. Unfortunately, as Brad points out, Apple is still on Mailman 2.1.5. Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
On 4/25/06 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to install the Apple Developer Tools package that is on the Mac OS X CDs/DVDs that came with the computer or contained the OS upgrade you have installed. If you don't have the CDs/DVDs, you can download the Developer tools from Apple, but you should have the disks. The Developer Tools version on the Tiger DVD (the DVDs I have, at any rate) is not the current version, but that shouldn't matter for compiling Mailman (a task I've never attempted since I don't want to run Mailman on my Macs). The upgrade download is smaller than the full download, if I remember correctly (I usually set the machine to the task of downloading and go away). --John -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
helo there... (^_^)
i want to install Mailman on MAC OS x following from
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg33402.html
on step 3 e f ..i got some errors
micom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman
--with-cgi-gid=www --with-mail-gid=mailman
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.3
checking that Python has a working distutils... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install...
/usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... no
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
bemicom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
make installsudo: make: command not found
should i install the Developer's Tools to fi my
problems?,..cos i read it on
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg14100.html
is that OK on line
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
thank you...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Celes Victoria wrote: checking for gcc... no checking for cc... no configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH Configure couldn't find a 'cc' (C compiler) command bemicom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo make installsudo: make: command not found And there appears to be no make command either. should i install the Developer's Tools to fi my problems? Yes. You must have the Developer Tools installed to configure and install Mailman. That may not fix all your problems, but it will give you a 'cc' and a 'make'. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
thank u to reply (^_^)... no, i don't see it,.. are u forgot / misspell of afp458.com ? in there i just not find linked to mac... so the kind should i install from developer tools is FWIW? cos i'm newbie for mac os X i don't wanna get wrong to install it is apple.com provide the developer tools on it? can i download install it? thank you.. Yes, you must install the Developer Tools. FWIW, if you've already su'ed to root, there's no need for sudo. Have you seen the instructions at afp458.com? Dan Dan Phillips Associate Professor Rudi E. Scheidt School of Music University of Memphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Search movie info and celeb profiles and photos. http://sg.movies.yahoo.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
Celes Victoria wrote: no, i don't see it,.. are u forgot / misspell of afp458.com ? in there i just not find linked to mac... I believe Dan is referring to articles at www.afp548.com as linked from the Mailman FAQ article 1.21 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.021.htp. so the kind should i install from developer tools is FWIW? cos i'm newbie for mac os X i don't wanna get wrong to install it is apple.com provide the developer tools on it? can i download install it? You need to install the Apple Developer Tools package that is on the Mac OS X CDs/DVDs that came with the computer or contained the OS upgrade you have installed. If you don't have the CDs/DVDs, you can download the Developer tools from Apple, but you should have the disks. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
On 4/25/06 9:42 PM, Celes Victoria at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
helo there... (^_^)
i want to install Mailman on MAC OS x following from
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg33402.html
on step 3 e f ..i got some errors
micom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman
--with-cgi-gid=www --with-mail-gid=mailman
loading cache ./config.cache
checking for --with-python... no
checking for python... /usr/bin/python
checking Python interpreter... /usr/bin/python
checking Python version... 2.3
checking that Python has a working distutils... yes
checking for a BSD compatible install...
/usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... no
checking for true... /usr/bin/true
checking for --without-gcc... no
checking for gcc... no
checking for cc... no
configure: error: no acceptable cc found in $PATH
bemicom:/Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.8 root# sudo
make installsudo: make: command not found
should i install the Developer's Tools to fi my
problems?,..cos i read it on
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg14100.html
As Step 1i of my instructions you referenced above says, You need to
install the Developer Tools that came with your Panther disks
or several of the steps won't work. so yes, you need to install the
Developer Tools (oops, I should have changed that to say Tiger rather than
Panther and on Tiger, it's another package on the installation DVD, not a
separate CD). The Developer Tools are found in the Xcode Tools folder on the
Tiger DVD (double-click XcodeTools.mpkg) and on the Xcode Tools CD for
Panther and in the Xcode Tools folder on the Tiger DVD (double-click
Developer.mpkg). Looking at the Tiger install DVD, if you select Customize,
it appears you must install at least Developer Tools Software, gcc 3.3, and
the Mac OS X SDK (under Software Development Kits) - most of the stuff is
small but there's probably no reason to install the Developer Documentation,
Developer Example Software or any of the stuff not selected by default which
will save you over a GB. Also note that if you not install the BSD subsystem
as part of you Mac OS X install, you must do that first (that's part of the
Mac OS X install, not the Xcode/Developer Tools install).
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