Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows as a txt attachment instead of appended in body

[Robert Heller]

At Sat, 6 Oct 2018 14:32:18 -0400 Joe Mezzanini  wrote:

> 
> I have a mailman discussion group with some text
> in the "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members "
> 
> However, some mail software does not show that added text.
> 
> Specifically, Outlook has it as a file attachment AT01.txt instead of
> appending it to the body of the email.
> 
> Anyone know how to “fix” this?  thanks

This usually happens when the messages are HTML *and* you allow HTML messages. 
Telling Mailman not to allow HTML messages and/or asking Mailman to convert 
HTML to plain text and/or telling Mailman to use the text/plain version of 
multipart/alternate messages.

> --
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/heller%40deepsoft.com
> 
>  

-- 
Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933
Deepwoods Software-- Custom Software Services
http://www.deepsoft.com/  -- Linux Administration Services
hel...@deepsoft.com   -- Webhosting Services


--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows as a txt attachment instead of appended in body

[Martin Nünning]

Hi Joe, 

The only thing that worked for me was the 
MIMEDefang Methode mentioned in the FAQ ... but it is not really a quick fix... 
but my costumer insisted on Outlook showing the Mails „nice“
But you would need full Root Access to the Mail Server and the postfix ( or 
whatever mailsystem ) to implement MIMEDefang. 
Just as a List Admin I would say no chance

Regards

Martin
---
> Am 06.10.2018 um 20:32 schrieb Joe Mezzanini :
> 
> I have a mailman discussion group with some text
> in the "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members "
> 
> However, some mail software does not show that added text.
> 
> Specifically, Outlook has it as a file attachment AT01.txt instead of
> appending it to the body of the email.
> 
> Anyone know how to “fix” this?  thanks
> --
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/martin%40bittop.de

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows as a txt attachment instead of appended in body

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/06/2018 11:32 AM, Joe Mezzanini wrote:
> 
> Specifically, Outlook has it as a file attachment AT01.txt instead of
> appending it to the body of the email.
> 
> Anyone know how to “fix” this?  thanks


See the FAQ at .

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer shows as a txt attachment instead of appended in body

[Joe Mezzanini]

I have a mailman discussion group with some text
in the "Footer added to mail sent to regular list members "

However, some mail software does not show that added text.

Specifically, Outlook has it as a file attachment AT01.txt instead of
appending it to the body of the email.

Anyone know how to “fix” this?  thanks
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Adam Goldberg]

Send grid gives you the ability to see if someone opened the email, etc. 
clearly it was sendgrid that added that (and that's why I don't use sendgrid).

Adam Goldberg
202-507-9900




On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:52 PM -0500, "Mark Sapiro" 
> wrote:

On 12/13/2016 01:31 PM, Kim, DongInn wrote:
>
> I do not know what is going on with the digital signature part but I am 
> wondering if you can take a look at the full raw source of the message and 
> see if there is any clues to debug this issue? This message was sent with my 
> S/MIME signature.
> http://www.crest.iu.edu/~dikim/mailman_footer.txt 
> 
>
> The raw source has the correct format of plain text footer but it is ignored 
> and another footer seems to be displayed with the html format.
> Why does it have two footer contents?


I don't know the answer to that, but I can tell you the Mailman 2.1.23
did not add the text/html footer. Something in the delivery chain after
Mailman converted Mailman's text/plain footer into multipart/alternative
with Mailman's original text/plain footer as the first alternative and
the garbled text/html footer as the second alternative.

A clue is whatever did that also added the web bug

https://u1524457.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=FkTv6GMOKAeoJi-2BuKcaB7j2pviCy3ue7m8E6mW8uXY9UnMILQAXAHVBrmmTRd83iYN9USWcOUM8L8ZosPzEP9m1VANGlC-2BxOxriFYBy4Tu1iTEvXSVeZZdQjAkN4o4OHJDdsmqZwygNz8M-2BM97RC-2FW0fJrSW6L-2FeaD7enEkleB4vtP5DiIUsHhgUBZGo-2BNadwAONhlISQa0s2Fu-2FSFTQJJnaQGDVK8HDSBQcwSSSZwM-3D;
alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="height:1px
!important;width:1px !important;border-width:0 !important;margin-top:0
!important;margin-bottom:0 !important;margin-right:0
!important;margin-left:0 !important;padding-top:0
!important;padding-bottom:0 !important;padding-right:0
!important;padding-left:0 !important;"/>

It looks like the first MTA in the delivery chain is
ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net and that this is a "smarthost" used by
Mailman at isocpp.org for delivery as the message is relayed through
ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net, filter0120p1las1.sendgrid.net and
o1.30e.fshared.sendgrid.net before being delivered to the MX for
indiana.edu.

It is almost 100% certain that it is something at sendgrid.net that is
both munging the text/plain footer into the multipart/alternative and
adding the web bug to the html alternative.

--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adam%40agp-llc.com
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Adam Goldberg]

That's all true, but in addition I don't want my MSA changing the body of the 
emails I send. For this reason (the footer problem), and others. 

Adam
a...@agp-llc.com



> On Dec 13, 2016, at 7:02 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> On 12/13/2016 03:54 PM, Adam Goldberg wrote:
>> Send grid gives you the ability to see if someone opened the email, etc. 
>> clearly it was sendgrid that added that (and that's why I don't use 
>> sendgrid).
> 
> 
> Yes, that's what web bugs are for, but in addition to being annoying
> invasions of privacy, they are totally unreliable as a means of knowing
> whether someone read the mail. All they will tell you is that the
> recipient 'opened' the mail which doesn't mean she read it. Also many
> MUAs will not load external images in HTML mail without at least asking
> first so many people may have read the mail without ever loading the
> encoded image URL.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/13/2016 03:54 PM, Adam Goldberg wrote:
> Send grid gives you the ability to see if someone opened the email, etc. 
> clearly it was sendgrid that added that (and that's why I don't use sendgrid).


Yes, that's what web bugs are for, but in addition to being annoying
invasions of privacy, they are totally unreliable as a means of knowing
whether someone read the mail. All they will tell you is that the
recipient 'opened' the mail which doesn't mean she read it. Also many
MUAs will not load external images in HTML mail without at least asking
first so many people may have read the mail without ever loading the
encoded image URL.

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/13/2016 01:31 PM, Kim, DongInn wrote:
> 
> I do not know what is going on with the digital signature part but I am 
> wondering if you can take a look at the full raw source of the message and 
> see if there is any clues to debug this issue? This message was sent with my 
> S/MIME signature.
> http://www.crest.iu.edu/~dikim/mailman_footer.txt 
> 
> 
> The raw source has the correct format of plain text footer but it is ignored 
> and another footer seems to be displayed with the html format.
> Why does it have two footer contents?


I don't know the answer to that, but I can tell you the Mailman 2.1.23
did not add the text/html footer. Something in the delivery chain after
Mailman converted Mailman's text/plain footer into multipart/alternative
with Mailman's original text/plain footer as the first alternative and
the garbled text/html footer as the second alternative.

A clue is whatever did that also added the web bug

https://u1524457.ct.sendgrid.net/wf/open?upn=FkTv6GMOKAeoJi-2BuKcaB7j2pviCy3ue7m8E6mW8uXY9UnMILQAXAHVBrmmTRd83iYN9USWcOUM8L8ZosPzEP9m1VANGlC-2BxOxriFYBy4Tu1iTEvXSVeZZdQjAkN4o4OHJDdsmqZwygNz8M-2BM97RC-2FW0fJrSW6L-2FeaD7enEkleB4vtP5DiIUsHhgUBZGo-2BNadwAONhlISQa0s2Fu-2FSFTQJJnaQGDVK8HDSBQcwSSSZwM-3D;
alt="" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="height:1px
!important;width:1px !important;border-width:0 !important;margin-top:0
!important;margin-bottom:0 !important;margin-right:0
!important;margin-left:0 !important;padding-top:0
!important;padding-bottom:0 !important;padding-right:0
!important;padding-left:0 !important;"/>

It looks like the first MTA in the delivery chain is
ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net and that this is a "smarthost" used by
Mailman at isocpp.org for delivery as the message is relayed through
ismtpd0003p1sjc2.sendgrid.net, filter0120p1las1.sendgrid.net and
o1.30e.fshared.sendgrid.net before being delivered to the MX for
indiana.edu.

It is almost 100% certain that it is something at sendgrid.net that is
both munging the text/plain footer into the multipart/alternative and
adding the web bug to the html alternative.

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Kim, DongInn]

Mark, there is another thing that I need to mention.

This footer used to work fine with 2.1.15 (i.e., it was fine with the digital 
signature email) but it seems to have a problem with 2.1.23.
Maybe I did anything stupid? :-(

Regards,

--
- DongInn





> On Dec 13, 2016, at 4:31 PM, Kim, DongInn  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thank you very much for looking into my problem.
> 
> I do not know what is going on with the digital signature part but I am 
> wondering if you can take a look at the full raw source of the message and 
> see if there is any clues to debug this issue? This message was sent with my 
> S/MIME signature.
> http://www.crest.iu.edu/~dikim/mailman_footer.txt 
> 
> 
> The raw source has the correct format of plain text footer but it is ignored 
> and another footer seems to be displayed with the html format.
> Why does it have two footer contents?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --
> - DongInn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 13, 2016, at 1:03 AM, Mark Sapiro > > wrote:
>> 
>> On 12/12/2016 02:49 PM, Kim, DongInn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to keep the footer format (or layout)? In the most emails, 
>>> the footer format is fine but when a user uses digital signature (pgp or 
>>> S/MIME), it surely breaks the format.
>>> It seems that it is possible that the format is broken regardless of the 
>>> signature issue but I can not track down this case.
>>> 
>>> For example, the broken format looks like this:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwukqz2iuqa18cg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.47.16.png?dl=0
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The right format looks like this:
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tqfdxvjb6hxqbg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.48.09.png?dl=0
>>> 
>>> Maybe, can we use  tag around the footer for the html format of email?
>> 
>> 
>> Standard Mailman never puts the footer in an HTML message part. If the
>> message is a single part text/plain message, the footer is appended to
>> the text/plain message. Otherwise it is added as a separate text/plain part.
>> 
>> It could be in your case that unsigned messages are single part
>> text/plain messages and signatures make the message multipart/signed,
>> but even so, the formatting of the footer should not be changed.
>> 
>> The article at > > has more on this. It
>> also has some material about non-standard (and not recommended) patches.
>> Is your Mailman patched in any way to deal with footers and to put them
>> in HTML parts?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Sapiro >The highway 
>> is for gamblers,
>> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
>> 
>> --
>> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org 
>> 
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users 
>> 
>> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
>> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
>> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
>> Unsubscribe: 
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dikim%40indiana.edu
> 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Kim, DongInn]

Hi Mark,

Thank you very much for looking into my problem.

I do not know what is going on with the digital signature part but I am 
wondering if you can take a look at the full raw source of the message and see 
if there is any clues to debug this issue? This message was sent with my S/MIME 
signature.
http://www.crest.iu.edu/~dikim/mailman_footer.txt 


The raw source has the correct format of plain text footer but it is ignored 
and another footer seems to be displayed with the html format.
Why does it have two footer contents?

Regards,

--
- DongInn



> On Dec 13, 2016, at 1:03 AM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
> On 12/12/2016 02:49 PM, Kim, DongInn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way to keep the footer format (or layout)? In the most emails, 
>> the footer format is fine but when a user uses digital signature (pgp or 
>> S/MIME), it surely breaks the format.
>> It seems that it is possible that the format is broken regardless of the 
>> signature issue but I can not track down this case.
>> 
>> For example, the broken format looks like this:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwukqz2iuqa18cg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.47.16.png?dl=0
>> 
>> The right format looks like this:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tqfdxvjb6hxqbg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.48.09.png?dl=0
>> 
>> Maybe, can we use  tag around the footer for the html format of email?
> 
> 
> Standard Mailman never puts the footer in an HTML message part. If the
> message is a single part text/plain message, the footer is appended to
> the text/plain message. Otherwise it is added as a separate text/plain part.
> 
> It could be in your case that unsigned messages are single part
> text/plain messages and signatures make the message multipart/signed,
> but even so, the formatting of the footer should not be changed.
> 
> The article at  has more on this. It
> also has some material about non-standard (and not recommended) patches.
> Is your Mailman patched in any way to deal with footers and to put them
> in HTML parts?
> 
> -- 
> Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
> 
> --
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dikim%40indiana.edu

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer format

[Mark Sapiro]

On 12/12/2016 02:49 PM, Kim, DongInn wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is there a way to keep the footer format (or layout)? In the most emails, the 
> footer format is fine but when a user uses digital signature (pgp or S/MIME), 
> it surely breaks the format.
> It seems that it is possible that the format is broken regardless of the 
> signature issue but I can not track down this case.
> 
> For example, the broken format looks like this:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwukqz2iuqa18cg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.47.16.png?dl=0
> 
> The right format looks like this:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tqfdxvjb6hxqbg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.48.09.png?dl=0
> 
> Maybe, can we use  tag around the footer for the html format of email?


Standard Mailman never puts the footer in an HTML message part. If the
message is a single part text/plain message, the footer is appended to
the text/plain message. Otherwise it is added as a separate text/plain part.

It could be in your case that unsigned messages are single part
text/plain messages and signatures make the message multipart/signed,
but even so, the formatting of the footer should not be changed.

The article at  has more on this. It
also has some material about non-standard (and not recommended) patches.
Is your Mailman patched in any way to deal with footers and to put them
in HTML parts?

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan



signature.asc
Description: OpenPGP digital signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] footer format

[Kim, DongInn]

Hi,

Is there a way to keep the footer format (or layout)? In the most emails, the 
footer format is fine but when a user uses digital signature (pgp or S/MIME), 
it surely breaks the format.
It seems that it is possible that the format is broken regardless of the 
signature issue but I can not track down this case.

For example, the broken format looks like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hwukqz2iuqa18cg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.47.16.png?dl=0

The right format looks like this:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7tqfdxvjb6hxqbg/Screenshot%202016-12-12%2017.48.09.png?dl=0

Maybe, can we use  tag around the footer for the html format of email?

Regards,

--
- DongInn







signature.asc
Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Bloat

[Mark Sapiro]

On 08/27/2015 11:23 AM, Laura Creighton wrote:
 You may be interested in this thread:
 https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-April/073181.html


Thank you Laura.

Also note that if sending users add a standard signature (prefixed with
a '-- ' line), and repliers use an MUA that doesn't quote signatures in
replies, the problem doesn't exist, but that's probably too much to hope
for.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer Bloat

[Billy Crook]

I've noticed that as people reply to threads on my mailman instance, I see
copies of the footer pile up at the bottom of each message.

Rants about top/inline/bottom posting aside, I thought it would be a smart
feature of mailman to look for a copy of the footer in any incoming message
before adding the footer to the bottom.

Or perhaps easier to implement, instead of apply a footer or don't apply
a footer, add the option apply footer to the first message of each thread
and no other messages of the same thread

Am I just missing where this setting is, or has this not been thought of
yet.

apply footer only if footer text not already in message would be my logic
of preference.

If that's not already something mailman can do, where would I modify the
code to add it?
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Bloat

[Billy Crook]

Where the current behavior is 'always append footer'. I think these options
are worth implementing:
'Append footer for just the first message'
'Append footer if footer not already present in quoted text'

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Seun Ojedeji seun.ojed...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi,

 I think it will be a good feature to have. Thinking about it's
 implementation however assumes that every mail clients uses the thread view
 mail option. Also those who subscribe in the middle of a conversion will
 most likely not get the footer.

 Nerveless it's good to have it for use according to our environment.

 Cheers!

 Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
 Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
 On 27 Aug 2015 18:50, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've noticed that as people reply to threads on my mailman instance, I see
 copies of the footer pile up at the bottom of each message.

 Rants about top/inline/bottom posting aside, I thought it would be a smart
 feature of mailman to look for a copy of the footer in any incoming
 message
 before adding the footer to the bottom.

 Or perhaps easier to implement, instead of apply a footer or don't
 apply
 a footer, add the option apply footer to the first message of each
 thread
 and no other messages of the same thread

 Am I just missing where this setting is, or has this not been thought of
 yet.

 apply footer only if footer text not already in message would be my
 logic
 of preference.

 If that's not already something mailman can do, where would I modify the
 code to add it?
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
 https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
 Searchable Archives:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 Unsubscribe:
 https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/seun.ojedeji%40gmail.com


--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Bloat

[Seun Ojedeji]

Hi,

I think it will be a good feature to have. Thinking about it's
implementation however assumes that every mail clients uses the thread view
mail option. Also those who subscribe in the middle of a conversion will
most likely not get the footer.

Nerveless it's good to have it for use according to our environment.

Cheers!

Sent from my Asus Zenfone2
Kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 27 Aug 2015 18:50, Billy Crook billycr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've noticed that as people reply to threads on my mailman instance, I see
 copies of the footer pile up at the bottom of each message.

 Rants about top/inline/bottom posting aside, I thought it would be a smart
 feature of mailman to look for a copy of the footer in any incoming message
 before adding the footer to the bottom.

 Or perhaps easier to implement, instead of apply a footer or don't apply
 a footer, add the option apply footer to the first message of each thread
 and no other messages of the same thread

 Am I just missing where this setting is, or has this not been thought of
 yet.

 apply footer only if footer text not already in message would be my logic
 of preference.

 If that's not already something mailman can do, where would I modify the
 code to add it?
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
 https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
 Searchable Archives:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 Unsubscribe:
 https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/seun.ojedeji%40gmail.com

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Bloat

[Laura Creighton]

You may be interested in this thread:
https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2012-April/073181.html

Laura

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer Bloat

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Billy Crook writes:

  Am I just missing where this setting is, or has this not been
  thought of yet.

It's been thought of, and it's just plain hard to do, because
automatically editing mail bodies robustly is just plain hard to do.

If you have a vast majority of users who use the same MUA, you can
probably get away with assuming that MUA's format, and will rarely, if
ever, get complaints from users whose mail has been mutilated.  Given
the variety and generally abysmal level of standard conformance of the
MUAs out there, we can't count on that. :-(

  apply footer only if footer text not already in message would be
  my logic of preference.

If there is any personalization (eg, user-specific unsubscribe link),
this logic doesn't work.  You need to remove the existing footer(s)
for other user(s), and add the correct one.  If you're not using any
personalization, this isn't a problem, of course.

It's also ugly, as in most cases the replying user's MUA will quote
the footer, often multiple times.

The first in thread logic has the same problems of personalization
and ugliness.

  If that's not already something mailman can do, where would I modify the
  code to add it?

Mailman/Handlers/Decorate.py.  Warning: Mailman 2 doesn't know
anything about threads, and Mailman 3 (unmerged development code) has
a rather different idea of threads (called dynamic lists, dlists
for short).  So you'll have to use the detect existing footer logic,
not the first in thread logic.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Serving Soon]

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@list.org wrote:

 On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 I don't think Mailman 3 will be any different in this respect. The
 issue is as presented in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9.

 Mailman 3 will work exactly the same way, for all the reasons Mark
 described.
 AFAICT, there's really no better alternative.

 -Barry



Thank you all for your replies.

I followed the discussion on why this happening and I understand the logic.
But since Outlook is so spread among corporate users worldwide, shouldn't
mailman have its own workaround?   Just like the web coders did for IE*
shortcomings all these years.


I got mimedefang to work but it was not easy at all.   There is hardly any
cheat sheets out there for such combination.

OS: Centos 5.6
Postfix: 2.7.3 I had to upgrade from distribution's 2.3

main.cf

smtpd_milters = unix:/var/spool/MIMEDefang/mimedefang.sock
milter_default_action = accept
milter_protocol = 3

mimedefang: 2.72

I had to run as usr postfix because of permission problems :

postfix/smtpd[9768]: warning: connect to Milter service
unix:/var/spool/MIMEDefang/mimedefang.sock: Permission denied

change user: in /etc/sysconfig/mimedefang

to be :

# Run the multiplexor and filters as this user, not root.  RECOMMENDED
MX_USER=postfix


I had to edit   /etc/init.d/mimedefang

 # Since /var/spool/MIMEDefang might be tmpfs, ensure that it is properly
# initialized.
chown postfix:postfix /var/spool/MIMEDefang
restorecon -R /var/spool/MIMEDefang /dev/null 21
if [ ! -d /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor ]; then
mkdir /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor
chown postfix:postfix /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor
chmod 0750 /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor
fi
if [ ! -L /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor/razor-agent.log ]; then
# The Razor2 log is mostly useless, and we can't change its
location.
# In order to prevent it from filling up the spool, we just link it
to
# /dev/null.
ln -sf /dev/null /var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor/razor-agent.log
chown -h postfix:postfix
/var/spool/MIMEDefang/.razor/razor-agent.log
fi

This only had to be made in 2.72  it was not needed in 2.70

Mailman 2.1.9
The mailman functionality needed I did as per :

http://stuff.mit.edu/~jik/software/mailman_mimedefang/mailman_mimedefang_fix_footer.pl.txt

there might little things here and there but I am still dazed. :D


By the way, the footer now is not an attachment but the unsubscribe link in
the footer is not clickable.

I wonder if there is a solution for the link?


Best Regards,

Serving None
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Serving Soon writes:

  I followed the discussion on why this happening and I understand
  the logic.  But since Outlook is so spread among corporate users
  worldwide, shouldn't mailman have its own workaround?

If there were a single workaround, that might make sense.  But there's
a big difference between what the web coders did and what you're
suggesting here.  The web coders only needed to work around IE one bug
at a time, because they had control of the rest of the page and the
CSS.  Mailman does not; there is no guarantee that there is any end at
all to this task.

Personally, I'd rather that the people who know anything about this
stuff work on Mailman 3 rather than throw code and effort into making
Outlook users happy (I have to admit, nobody who uses my lists would
dare own up to using Outlook even if they did use it :-).

  Just like the web coders did for IE* shortcomings all these years.

The web coders made a lot of money by doing a better job than the next
site of supporting IE.  Show us some money (or other equivalent value),
and somebody might do the same in Mailman for Outlook.  But at the
moment, nobody is getting rich from Mailman.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Mark Sapiro]

Serving Soon wrote:

By the way, the footer now is not an attachment but the unsubscribe link in
the footer is not clickable.

I wonder if there is a solution for the link?


You could try coding it as an HTML tag, e.g.

a href=%(user_optionsurl)sUnsubscribe/a

or whatever you do to generate the URL. Of course this will be pretty
ugly in the plain text part and perhaps not recognized as a URL by an
MUA that displays that part and renders recognized URLs as clickable
in plain text.

Unsubscribe: a href=%(user_optionsurl)s%(user_optionsurl)s/a

might be preferable for someone who uses a non-Outlook MUA and chooses
a plain text view.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Barry Warsaw]

On Oct 20, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

I don't think Mailman 3 will be any different in this respect. The
issue is as presented in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9.

Mailman 3 will work exactly the same way, for all the reasons Mark described.
AFAICT, there's really no better alternative.

-Barry


signature.asc
Description: PGP signature
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Serving Soon]

Do you guys know if Mailman 3 also has the problem of footer as attachment
in Outlook?

I am about to cry here.  :P

Serving




On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Serving Soon servings...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello,

 I followed the old discussions regarding how Outlook shows footer as
 attachment. I read the FAQ at
 http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707

 I wonder if someone has found a more recent solution then what is out
 there? The solutions provided are years old and they pertain to older
 versions.

 I know it is an Outlook problem not mailman's.   I hope there is a solution
 like the workarounds of IE browsers quirks and bugs.

 Any advise on how to get Outlook to show footers properly would be greatly
 appreciated.

 :)

 Serving None




--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Mark Sapiro]

Serving Soon wrote:

Do you guys know if Mailman 3 also has the problem of footer as attachment
in Outlook?


I don't think Mailman 3 will be any different in this respect. The
issue is as presented in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9.

If the message is a simple text/plain message, a footer can just be
appended and a header prepended to the single text/plain body part.

If the message has a more complicated MIME structure, particularly if
it contains text/html parts, Mailman doesn't know how any MUA and/or
HTML rendering engine will display this message, and in fact, the same
MUA may display the same message differently depending on the user's
preferences. Therefore, the best Mailman can do with such messages is
to add headers and footers as separate MIME parts and hope that a
user's MUA does the right thing.

If your requirements are such that you can't restrict your list to
simple plain text and use content filtering to remove non text/plain
parts, headers and footers will be added as separate mime parts and
some MUAs will show those as attachments if at all.

If you can't live with that, you can try the MIMEDefang method
mentioned in the FAQ.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in Outlook problem.

[Serving Soon]

Hello,

I followed the old discussions regarding how Outlook shows footer as
attachment. I read the FAQ at
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030707

I wonder if someone has found a more recent solution then what is out there?
The solutions provided are years old and they pertain to older versions.

I know it is an Outlook problem not mailman's.   I hope there is a solution
like the workarounds of IE browsers quirks and bugs.

Any advise on how to get Outlook to show footers properly would be greatly
appreciated.

:)

Serving None
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer shows up as attachment

[Schwartz, Robert - IS]

I'm adding a footer to every email to allow user to unsubscribe.  It is showing 
up as an attachment.  I've set Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain 
text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. To 
yes.  But this is not working.  When I post to this website my message is sent 
back with a footer to unsubscribe which is exactly what I want.

Robert


--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows up as attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

I'm adding a footer to every email to allow user to unsubscribe.  It is 
showing up as an attachment.  I've set Should Mailman convert text/html parts 
to plain text? This conversion happens after MIME attachments have been 
stripped. To yes.  But this is not working.  When I post to this website my 
message is sent back with a footer to unsubscribe which is exactly what I want.


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9.

To accomplish this with content filtering, you also need to set Should
Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content? to
Yes, and even that may not work with all posts depending on their
original MIME structure.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer shows up as attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

It is set to yes.  I'll try submitting the message as plain text.


In reply to:

See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9.

To accomplish this with content filtering, you also need to set Should
Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part content? to
Yes, and even that may not work with all posts depending on their
original MIME structure.


Posting plain text only will work, but if this is a discussion list,
you can't control what others post. You may need to remove all HTML
rather than converting it by putting something like

multipart
text/plain

in pass_mime_types (i.e., no text/html), and setting an appropriate
filter_action to handle HTML only posts.

Or you can try the mimedefang method referenced in the above FAQ.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer not being appended to messages in 2.1.10

[Jay Deiman]

Jay Deiman wrote:

Hello all,

I've been running mailman 2.1.10 on FreeBSD 6.2 for quite some time now 
and I just recently noticed that the default footer (msg_footer) is not 
being appended to all the messages.  Is there something else that needs 
to be set/enabled to turn this on?  I've searched for this problem and 
I've found nothing so I'm kind of assuming that I'm missing a setting 
somewhere.


I figured out what was going on here.  This was due to my still using 
the deprecated Sendmail DELIVERY_MODULE.  I switched to SMTPDirect 
and everything is peachy now.


On a related note, is there any plan to possibly fix/rewrite the 
Sendmail module.  The reason I was using it in the first place is 
because it was much easier in terms of integration with my system since 
using the sendmail binary for outgoing mail bypasses all the post-queue 
content filtering and such that goes on on my server.


On the flipside, setting up SMTPDirect with postfix was just a matter of 
adding an smtpd entry in master.cf that only listens on localhost and 
just permits.  However, it would still be nice to *realistically* have 
an option.


Jay

--
Jay Deiman

\033:wq!
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer not being appended to messages in 2.1.10

[Jay Deiman]

Hello all,

I've been running mailman 2.1.10 on FreeBSD 6.2 for quite some time now 
and I just recently noticed that the default footer (msg_footer) is not 
being appended to all the messages.  Is there something else that needs 
to be set/enabled to turn this on?  I've searched for this problem and 
I've found nothing so I'm kind of assuming that I'm missing a setting 
somewhere.


Thanks,

Jay

--
Jay Deiman

\033:wq!
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer not being appended to messages in 2.1.10

[Mark Sapiro]

Jay Deiman wrote:

I've been running mailman 2.1.10 on FreeBSD 6.2 for quite some time now 
and I just recently noticed that the default footer (msg_footer) is not 
being appended to all the messages.  Is there something else that needs 
to be set/enabled to turn this on?  I've searched for this problem and 
I've found nothing so I'm kind of assuming that I'm missing a setting 
somewhere.


If you have text in Non-digest options - msg_footer, it should be
added to every outgoing individual message, either directly to the
message body or as a separate MIME part depending on the MIME
structure of the message.

The only thing that controls it is the presence of text in msg_footer.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...

[Greg and Cheryl Sabens]

Thank you, Mark S and Brad K.

It certainly helps to know the correct terms and words to search.  Sorry for 
repeating a question that probably gets repeated quite a bit.  I doubt I would 
have ever been able to find the answer.  I didn't even know what 'munging' was 
or what it meant so I certainly wouldn't have searched using it.

Thanks again!

Greg





From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Greg and Cheryl Sabens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2008 2:40:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...

Greg and Cheryl Sabens wrote:

Question #1
So, I'm unclear about something concerning footers (mainly on the Non-digest 
options).  It appears that whenever I create a footer, something (whether it's 
mailman or Yahoo!) is adding the following line:

-Inline Attachment Follows-

Can someone tell me where this is originating from.  Sometime is looks like it 
from Mailman, but I have confirmed that it's not part of the footer that I 
created.  But sometimes it seems to be in Yahoo! because when I receive the 
same email in Outlook and that text is not there.


It occurs because of the answer to Question #2, but it is the specific
mail client (Yahoo) that is displaying the footer in this way.


Question #2
Even beyond that, no matter which mail program/service I use (Yahoo! or 
Outlook), what footer I do create is attached to the email as an attachment.  
Again, I don't know what is causing that; 1) is Mailman sending it that way, 
or 2) are the mail programs/services forcing the footer (which does show up in 
the email body) to also be attached?


Mailman is doing it because the MIME structure of the incoming message
does not allow simply adding the footer to the 'body' of the mail.


I'd like to have a footer in the body of the email coming through my maillist, 
but I'd rally rather not have the -Inline Attachment Follows- text 
in the body or the footer included as an attachment to the email.

Again, sorry if this is repetitive, but I couldn't find any thread or faq that 
spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it.


The FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9 speaks exactly to this
question (Question #2). In order for Mailman to add a footer and add
it to the message 'body', the incoming post must be a simple
text/plain message, not HTML or multipart/alternative or you must set
content filtering to make it so.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...

[Mark Sapiro]

Greg and Cheryl Sabens wrote:

It certainly helps to know the correct terms and words to search.  Sorry for 
repeating a question that probably gets repeated quite a bit.  I doubt I would 
have ever been able to find the answer.  I didn't even know what 'munging' was 
or what it meant so I certainly wouldn't have searched using it.


But what did you search for? Searching the FAQ for footer gives 20 hits
and you might well miss the 4.39 entry, but searching for the two
words footer attachment gives 5 hits and the top excerpt shown is:

[4.39 Mailman is munging HTML  MIME-formatted messages before they are
sent out? (problems with Mailman 2.1.x footers)]  4.39 Mailman is
munging HTML  MIME-formatted messages before they are sent out?
(problems with Mailman 2.1.x footers)  (Documentation)
... Mailman 2.1.x footers) a.k.a., Why are footers (or message bodies)
being shown as attachments to HTMLformatted messages? For Mailman
2.0.x, see also 4.05 Why don't the footers ... some list messages?
(Mailman 2.0.x). The problem is that there is no generalpurpose method
of determining where a ...
Jul 31, 2008 

I ask because we would always like to improve the searchability of the
FAQ, and if there's something we can add to this to make it easier for
you to find, we'd like to do it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

[Mailman-Users] Footer question...

[Greg and Cheryl Sabens]

I apologize in advance because I'm sure my questions below have been discussed 
over and over.  I have search through Google and the Mailman FAQ and the 
archives.  I see questions and answers that almost answer these questions of 
mine but just not quite.

Question #1
So, I'm unclear about something concerning footers (mainly on the Non-digest 
options).  It appears that whenever I create a footer, something (whether it's 
mailman or Yahoo!) is adding the following line:

-Inline Attachment Follows-

Can someone tell me where this is originating from.  Sometime is looks like it 
from Mailman, but I have confirmed that it's not part of the footer that I 
created.  But sometimes it seems to be in Yahoo! because when I receive the 
same email in Outlook and that text is not there.


Question #2
Even beyond that, no matter which mail program/service I use (Yahoo! or 
Outlook), what footer I do create is attached to the email as an attachment.  
Again, I don't know what is causing that; 1) is Mailman sending it that way, or 
2) are the mail programs/services forcing the footer (which does show up in the 
email body) to also be attached?


I'd like to have a footer in the body of the email coming through my maillist, 
but I'd rally rather not have the -Inline Attachment Follows- text in 
the body or the footer included as an attachment to the email.

Again, sorry if this is repetitive, but I couldn't find any thread or faq that 
spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it.

Thank you in advance!
Greg
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...

[Brad Knowles]

Greg and Cheryl Sabens wrote:


Can someone tell me where this is originating from.  Sometime is looks
like it from Mailman, but I have confirmed that it's not part of the
footer that I created.  But sometimes it seems to be in Yahoo! because
when I receive the same email in Outlook and that text is not there.


This is created because the original message is in HTML, and when Mailman 
adds the footer it's added as a separate ASCII text portion of the message.


All of this is explained in FAQ 4.39 at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9.


Again, sorry if this is repetitive, but I couldn't find any thread or faq
that spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it.


If you search for footer, you'll come up with several hits, and 4.39 
should be close to the top of that list.


--
Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer question...

[Mark Sapiro]

Greg and Cheryl Sabens wrote:

Question #1
So, I'm unclear about something concerning footers (mainly on the Non-digest 
options).  It appears that whenever I create a footer, something (whether it's 
mailman or Yahoo!) is adding the following line:

-Inline Attachment Follows-

Can someone tell me where this is originating from.  Sometime is looks like it 
from Mailman, but I have confirmed that it's not part of the footer that I 
created.  But sometimes it seems to be in Yahoo! because when I receive the 
same email in Outlook and that text is not there.


It occurs because of the answer to Question #2, but it is the specific
mail client (Yahoo) that is displaying the footer in this way.


Question #2
Even beyond that, no matter which mail program/service I use (Yahoo! or 
Outlook), what footer I do create is attached to the email as an attachment.  
Again, I don't know what is causing that; 1) is Mailman sending it that way, 
or 2) are the mail programs/services forcing the footer (which does show up in 
the email body) to also be attached?


Mailman is doing it because the MIME structure of the incoming message
does not allow simply adding the footer to the 'body' of the mail.


I'd like to have a footer in the body of the email coming through my maillist, 
but I'd rally rather not have the -Inline Attachment Follows- text 
in the body or the footer included as an attachment to the email.

Again, sorry if this is repetitive, but I couldn't find any thread or faq that 
spoke specifically to these questions...only close to it.


The FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9 speaks exactly to this
question (Question #2). In order for Mailman to add a footer and add
it to the message 'body', the incoming post must be a simple
text/plain message, not HTML or multipart/alternative or you must set
content filtering to make it so.

-- 
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9

[Mailman-Users] footer to the bottom of the email message

[Kevin Hicks]

Hi, a very elementary question. I cannot find out how to add the footer
to the bottom of the email message. It is being added as an attachment.
Can you help?

 

Footer added to mail sent to regular list members 

(Details for msg_footer)

 

Cheers, Kevin

 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer to the bottom of the email message

[Brad Knowles]

Kevin Hicks wrote:

 Hi, a very elementary question. I cannot find out how to add the footer
 to the bottom of the email message. It is being added as an attachment.
 Can you help?

Search the Mailman FAQ Wizard at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py 
for footer.  Pay special attention to FAQ 4.39.

-- 
Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] Footer Question

[Bruce Clark]

Hi All,

Apologies if this is a bit simple; I have looked through the FAQ...

I have a bit of footer text which I put in msg_footer (digest and non
digest).

Some people can see it, but some people cannot. Those that cannot see it,
get a small file as an attachment (ATT).

Am I doing something wrong, or would this be specific  to a mail client?

Thanks,

Bruce.


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Question

[Barry Finkel]

Hi All,

Apologies if this is a bit simple; I have looked through the FAQ...

I have a bit of footer text which I put in msg_footer (digest and non
digest).

Some people can see it, but some people cannot. Those that cannot see it,
get a small file as an attachment (ATT).

Am I doing something wrong, or would this be specific  to a mail client?

Thanks,

Bruce.

Maybe this FAQ:

 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp

--
Barry S. Finkel
Computing and Information Systems Division
Argonne National Laboratory  Phone:+1 (630) 252-7277
9700 South Cass Avenue   Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601
Building 222, Room D209  Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Argonne, IL   60439-4828 IBMMAIL:  I1004994

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] Footer being attached

[Jason Tugman]

I've read as much on this as I can and I still have not found a solution. 
Problem:
We have a footer message set in our non-digest with legal text and disclaimers. 
When someone sends a message that containes HTML (which we have set to strip) 
or an attachment the footer is then not shown but rather is added as a .txt 
attachment. 

This is sloppy and annoying to our members and we legally need the footer to be 
there. Is there a solution?
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer being attached

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:28 PM -0700 2006-04-11, Jason Tugman wrote:

  Problem:
  We have a footer message set in our non-digest with legal text
  and disclaimers. When someone sends a message that containes HTML (which
  we have set to strip) or an attachment the footer is then not shown but
  rather is added as a .txt attachment.

Go to the FAQ Wizard at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for footer.

-- 
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

 -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
 Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755

  LOPSA member since December 2005.  See http://www.lopsa.org/.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] Footer Issue - not attachment

[Johnny Schlaack]

Greetings,

 

I'm trying to get some help in putting footers in the main text of an email
instead of as an attachment.  I have read online in Article 4.39 that the
mailing list was updated in version 2.1.5 to allow footers to be added in
the body of the text but I don't see what I need to make it happen.  I still
get footers as attachments.

 

I don't understand this stuff much.  I do maintain the website for
grahamchurch.org. I host our website with arkwebs.com.  They don't seem to
know much about the mailing lists.  Can you give me any help or direct me to
someone who can.

 

Thanks,

John Schlaack

 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Issue - not attachment

[Christopher Adams]

One thing that I have found useful is to make sure the senders are 
sending messages as plain text only.


Christopher Adams


Johnny Schlaack wrote:
 Greetings,
 
  
 
 I'm trying to get some help in putting footers in the main text of an email
 instead of as an attachment.  I have read online in Article 4.39 that the
 mailing list was updated in version 2.1.5 to allow footers to be added in
 the body of the text but I don't see what I need to make it happen.  I still
 get footers as attachments.
 
  
 
 I don't understand this stuff much.  I do maintain the website for
 grahamchurch.org. I host our website with arkwebs.com.  They don't seem to
 know much about the mailing lists.  Can you give me any help or direct me to
 someone who can.
 
  
 
 Thanks,
 
 John Schlaack
 
  
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 Mailman-Users@python.org
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 Unsubscribe: 
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/chris.a.adams%40state.or.us
 
 Security Policy: 
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] Footer Personalization

[Cogley, Rick]

Hi All -

In the Mailman FAQ it mentions being able to personalize the footers if some
settings for VERP are made in mm_cfg.py, but does not go into much detail
about how to do the required changes. 

--
Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to each
message? 
A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization by
setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file: 

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 

Once this is done, list admins can enable personalization for regular
delivery members (digest deliveries can't be personalized currently). A
personalized list can include the user's address in the footer. 
--

I would like to add the original sender's email address to the footer
section, copying that section from Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py, and then adding
some string (conceptually). What string do I need to add to get the sender?

Any advice warmly welcomed!

Thanks
Rick Cogley
Tokyo, Japan 
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Personalization

[Mark Sapiro]

Cogley, Rick wrote:

In the Mailman FAQ it mentions being able to personalize the footers if some
settings for VERP are made in mm_cfg.py, but does not go into much detail
about how to do the required changes. 

--
Q. Can I put the user's address in the footer that Mailman adds to each
message? 
A. Yes, in Mailman 2.1. The site admin needs to enable personalization by
setting the following variables in the mm_cfg.py file: 

VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS = 1 VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = 1
VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = 1 

Once this is done, list admins can enable personalization for regular
delivery members (digest deliveries can't be personalized currently). A
personalized list can include the user's address in the footer. 
--


Where in the FAQ did you find the above? I don't see it, and more
importantly, it is not correct.

The relevant FAQ article is 3.15 at
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.015.htp


I would like to add the original sender's email address to the footer
section, copying that section from Defaults.py to mm_cfg.py, and then adding
some string (conceptually). What string do I need to add to get the sender?


Once you have set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION per the above FAQ
3.15, the personalize help on the Non-digest options page will tell
you what additional substitutions are available in list headers and
footers.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] footer comes as an attachment

[James]

I added a footer to non-digest mailing list but for some reason it
comes trough with each message as an attachment. I can't figure out
why. Any suggestions?
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer comes as an attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

James wrote:

I added a footer to non-digest mailing list but for some reason it
comes trough with each message as an attachment. I can't figure out
why. Any suggestions?

See the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

Article 4.39

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] footer with arc+hive-url from mail

[Renaud Richardet]

Hello list,

I would like to include the url where the mail is archived in the 
message footer.

Example:


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archive-url: 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-user/200307.mbox/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]



I searched the docs, but couldn't find it so far. Any hints welcome :-)

Greetings from Switzerland
Renaud

-- 
Renaud Richardet
Wyona Inc.  -   Open Source Content Management   -   Apache Lenya
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.wyona.com

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer with arc+hive-url from mail

[Mark Sapiro]

Renaud Richardet wrote:

I would like to include the url where the mail is archived in the 
message footer.

Example:


-
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Archive-url: 
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/lenya-user/200307.mbox/[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]


Of course, you can include a link to the list's archive index page in
the footer, and a link is already in the RFC 2369 headers, but
including a link to the actual archived message in the message itself
is not currently an option. In fact, given the current architecture of
Mailman, I don't think it is even possible.

The handler pipeline queues the message for the archive qrunner and
then queues it for the outgoing runner. At the time it is queued for
the outgoing runner it must be complete, yet the archive runner may
not have processed it yet, so the actual archived message URL may not
even be known yet.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] footer

[Jardar Eggesbø Abrahamsen]

On the same server I have two lists. When I post to one of them, the 
footer (with the list URL etc.) is attached as a separate mime part. When 
I post to the other list, the footer is just added to the single mime part 
of the e-mail.

I do not understand what I might have done differently when configuring 
the two lists. Does anyone know?

Jardar
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

[Jardar Eggesbø Abrahamsen]

Well, I discovered what was the matter. The footer is always sent as ISO 
8859-1, even if it contains only US ASCII characters. To one list I 
usually write in Norwegian, so the body is also ISO 8859-1, and then the 
footer is appended to the body. To the other list I usually write only 
ASCII. In that case the footer has another content-type than the body, and 
it is attached as a separate mime part.

I wonder why the footer is always ISO 8859-1. And in the instances where 
it only contains ASCII characters, it would be compatible with most 
encodings, and could in theory just be appended to the body anyway, 
couldn't it?

Jardar
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] footer

[Mark Sapiro]

Jardar Eggesbø Abrahamsen wrote:

I wonder why the footer is always ISO 8859-1. And in the instances where 
it only contains ASCII characters, it would be compatible with most 
encodings, and could in theory just be appended to the body anyway, 
couldn't it?

I think the footer is always considered to be in the character set of
the list language. The character set associated with a language is
defined in the add_language() entries at the end of Defaults.py or
overridden in mm_cfg.py.

When in doubt, it is safer to separate the footer than not. See for
example the thread at
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-April/044112.html

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment

[Bruce N. Audie]

Why does the footer text that I have entered in Footer added to every
digest  show up as an attachment to about half the postings. Even when
multiple subscribers are responding to the same thread.. some will have the
footer inserted at the end of the message and others will have a text file
attachment containing the footer info.

Bruce Audie
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:45 PM -0500 2004-12-02, Bruce N. Audie wrote:
 Why does the footer text that I have entered in Footer added to every
 digest  show up as an attachment to about half the postings.
	Go to the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py and search for footer.

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
  SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment

[Ashley M. Kirchner]

   Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when 
someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes 
in as part of the message.  However, when someone sends a text/html 
message, the footer becomes an attachment.  Is there a way to make the 
footer always be part of the message?  Or is this something I need to 
put before hitting mailman (like stripmime) to overcome this problem?

   Running mailman 2.1.5...
--
W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere.
 +
 Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   .   303.442.6410 x130
 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130
 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6
 http://www.pcraft.com . .  ..   Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment

[Mark Sapiro]

Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when 
someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes 
in as part of the message.  However, when someone sends a text/html 
message, the footer becomes an attachment.  Is there a way to make the 
footer always be part of the message?  Or is this something I need to 
put before hitting mailman (like stripmime) to overcome this problem?

Visit the FAQ
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and read article 4.39.

--
Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]   The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:57 AM -0600 2004-09-24, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:
Not sure how to configure and shut this off, but I noticed when
 someone sends a plain/text formatted e-mail to a list, the footer comes
 in as part of the message.  However, when someone sends a text/html
 message, the footer becomes an attachment.
See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp.
--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania
Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755
  SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages

[Lloyd F. Tennison]

That is exactly as it is setup to work.  Since it cannot determine what 
MIME it is using, the default is text-only. It does not and will not as 
setup send other than text.  Someone would have to rewrite the module 
to add footers (and headers.)


Date sent:  Mon, 17 May 2004 17:33:53 -0400
From:   Steph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages
Send reply to:  Steph Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have a 2.1 installation of Mailman, for which I own a couple of
 mailing lists. These lists have been set up to accept certain MIME
 attachments, and also to convert text/html to plain text. This works as
 expected.
 
 We have the default footer enabled, however, it is coming through as a
 plain text attachment for all messages, rather than being appended to
 the body of the message. I've been looking through the message archives
 for Mailman, and have found many recent posts about this happening with
 text/html messages. Likewise, the FAQ only refers to this happening with
 HTML messages.
 
 Any ideas on what might cause Mailman to use attachments for the footer
 on plain text messages, and how I might change this behavior? 
 
 If there's any other information I can provide, please let me know!
 
 Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions on where to look!
 
 Steph
 
 
 -- 
 When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for
 every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss
 is away and you get twice as much done.
   -- Daniel B. Luten
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 


Thanks.

Lloyd F. Tennison
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

No trees were harmed in the transmission of this message.
However, a rather large number of electrons were temporarily
inconvenienced.


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

[Mailman-Users] Footer as attachment in plain text messages

[Steph Smith]

I have a 2.1 installation of Mailman, for which I own a couple of
mailing lists. These lists have been set up to accept certain MIME
attachments, and also to convert text/html to plain text. This works as
expected.

We have the default footer enabled, however, it is coming through as a
plain text attachment for all messages, rather than being appended to
the body of the message. I've been looking through the message archives
for Mailman, and have found many recent posts about this happening with
text/html messages. Likewise, the FAQ only refers to this happening with
HTML messages.

Any ideas on what might cause Mailman to use attachments for the footer
on plain text messages, and how I might change this behavior? 

If there's any other information I can provide, please let me know!

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions on where to look!

Steph


-- 
When properly administered, vacations do not diminish productivity: for
every week you're away and get nothing done, there's another when your boss
is away and you get twice as much done.
-- Daniel B. Luten

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Kai Schaetzl]

Richard Barrett wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:35:07 +0100:

 Do I hear a volunteer. Sounds like someone about to break out the text 
 editor and demonstrate what open software is all about.


Not me. I'm really not interested in HTML in email in any form :-)


Kai

-- 

Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Kai Schaetzl]

Hunter Hillegas wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700:

 We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users
 systems.


Something similar has been mentioned here some days ago. I think this can 
happen if the mail sent to the list is HTML.


Kai

-- 

Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Hunter Hillegas]

That sounds like our situation.

Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?

 From: Kai Schaetzl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:32:43 +0200
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
 
 Hunter Hillegas wrote on Wed, 28 Apr 2004 14:14:20 -0700:
 
 We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users
 systems.
 
 
 Something similar has been mentioned here some days ago. I think this can
 happen if the mail sent to the list is HTML.
 
 
 Kai
 
 -- 
 
 Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
 Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
 IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org
 
 
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Hunter Hillegas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 That sounds like our situation.
 
 Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?

Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML
document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and
where to stick it and how to make it visible.

-- 
Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I forsee one of those open your wallet and repeat after me,
_help yourself_ moments in your local friendly workshop.
  -- Tanuki

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Hunter Hillegas]

Come on, you don't want to do that for me? :-)

I figured that was the reason.

Ok. Thanks.

Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a
pretty common scenario, no?

 From: Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:07:50 -0400
 To: Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
 
 Quoting Hunter Hillegas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 That sounds like our situation.
 
 Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
 
 Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML
 document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and
 where to stick it and how to make it visible.
 
 -- 
 Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
 I forsee one of those open your wallet and repeat after me,
 _help yourself_ moments in your local friendly workshop.
 -- Tanuki
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:19 AM -0700 2004/04/29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

 Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a
 pretty common scenario, no?
	I believe that it already is, but I'd have to check.

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
  SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Kai Schaetzl]

Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:

 Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?


Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better 
solution: keep HTML off the list, it annoys many people and spoils 
archiving.


Kai

-- 

Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:07 AM -0400 2004/04/29, Paul Tomblin wrote:

 Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
 Not unless you can figure out how to append arbitrary text to an HTML
 document without parsing the HTML document tree and figuring out how and
 where to stick it and how to make it visible.
	Moreover, since so many MUAs implement such different standards 
in displaying HTML, you have to decide which HTML engine you're going 
to support, and implement a complete version of that system in your 
mailing list management software so that you can be sure how the 
proposed changes will actually be displayed, and then kiss off all 
the rest.

	Do you really want to try to implement all versions of all HTML 
engines throughout the entire world, just to make this work?

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
  SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Paul Tomblin]

Quoting Kai Schaetzl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
  Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
 
 Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better 

Where?  Before the /html tag (if there is one)?  Before the /body tag
(if there is one)?  Find the last paragraph tag and put it after the end
of the text that follows it?  What if there are divs and other CSS markup?
And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a
message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are
obviously not part of the sender's text?  Once you start trying to parse
the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text,
which is evil.

-- 
Paul Tomblin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I got accused of being humorless last night.  I'm considering quoting
Lieutenant Commander Data: Perhaps the joke was not funny.
  -- Alan Rosenthal

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Hunter Hillegas]

If this was my call, I would never allow HTML in any email ever.

 From: Kai Schaetzl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 19:32:29 +0200
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?
 
 Hunter Hillegas wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 08:08:13 -0700:
 
 Any way to fix this and retain the message in HTML format?
 
 
 Add the footer in HTML and integrate it in the existing message ;-) Better
 solution: keep HTML off the list, it annoys many people and spoils
 archiving.
 
 
 Kai
 
 -- 
 
 Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
 Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
 IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org
 
 
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:19 AM -0700 2004/04/29, Hunter Hillegas wrote:

 Perhaps this caveat should be noted in the FAQ or doco. It seems like a
 pretty common scenario, no?
	Okay, this is now in the FAQ.  See 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.016.htp.

	Let me know if you think there should be any changes made.

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
  SAGE member since 1995.  See http://www.sage.org/ for more info.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Kai Schaetzl]

Paul Tomblin wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400:

 And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of a
 message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are
 obviously not part of the sender's text?  Once you start trying to parse
 the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text,
 which is evil.


I only suggested a possible solution, whether you or I like it wasn't the 
topic ;-) As for modifying the sender's text: I disagree. If you do modify 
it by adding a footer to the HTML message then you modify it by adding a 
footer to the plain text message as well. There's really no problem to add 
a ruler and make clear it's a footer. No difference to a text/plain 
message.

Kai

-- 

Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Richard Barrett]

On 29 Apr 2004, at 21:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:

Paul Tomblin wrote on Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:39:03 -0400:

And what about the principle that you shouldn't mess with the body of 
a
message except for putting clearly marked headers and footers that are
obviously not part of the sender's text?  Once you start trying to 
parse
the html and put something in it, you're modifying the sender's text,
which is evil.

I only suggested a possible solution, whether you or I like it wasn't 
the
topic ;-) As for modifying the sender's text: I disagree. If you do 
modify
it by adding a footer to the HTML message then you modify it by adding 
a
footer to the plain text message as well. There's really no problem to 
add
a ruler and make clear it's a footer. No difference to a text/plain
message.

Do I hear a volunteer. Sounds like someone about to break out the text 
editor and demonstrate what open software is all about.

Kai

--

Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

[Mailman-Users] Footer Appended as Attachment in 2.1?

[Hunter Hillegas]

We're seeing the footer coming along as an attachment on some end-users
systems.

I saw a FAQ entry for this behavior with 2.0.x. We're running 2.1.4 and the
FAQ article specifies that it is fixed in 2.1.x.

Anyone know what is going on?

Thanks,
Hunter


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer isn't At the Bottom of the E-mail; It's an Attachment

[Kai Schaetzl]

Paul Tomblin wrote on Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:22:59 -0400:

 BTW:  Are you using some weird text encoding?  All your apostrophes end up
 like control characters to me.


He uses Outlook/Word and this apostrophe ´ instead of ', or maybe it's 
Outlook/Word converting it for him, a Microsoft specialty :-(


Kai

-- 

Kai Schätzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de  http://msie.winware.org




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer in Mailman

[Thomas Hochstein]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] scripsit/wrote:

 Like [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to 3 emails ad xyz company.
 So everybody can post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works fine..

Hm. Using aliases would be an easier way for that, don't you think so?

 But each email has an footer containing information to go to archives..
 and kind of everybody could than read all archives on this private
 system..

Why don't you disable archiving completely or make the archive private
(i.e. open only to list members)?

 So Wat i wnat is that email posted by non-members should not include the
 archive and mailman info footer

 Is that possible to be configured this way...

I don't think so, but you could also disable the footer completely (or
change it).

-thh


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer in Mailman

[sharmap]

hi,

I'm kind of new in using mailman.
I'm setting op mainman to be used as a mail distribution (forwarding)
system..
Like [EMAIL PROTECTED] should be sent to 3 emails ad xyz company.
So everybody can post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Works fine..
But each email has an footer containing information to go to archives..
and kind of everybody could than read all archives on this private
system..

So Wat i wnat is that email posted by non-members should not include the
archive and mailman info footer

Is that possible to be configured this way...

Regards,

Sharma





--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer question

[aaron]

I'll try this one more time - would appreciate any guidance

Hello.

I need to append a footer (w/unsubscribe info) to all Mailman messages
going out from my server. I need to do this in a way so that it is not
possible for list admins to modify the footer. Does anyone have any
suggestions?

I searched the list archives and found something about using
Decorate.py, to do this, but I have been unable to figure out how to
make this work.

I'm using Mailman 2.1.3 with Python 2.1.3. on FreeBSD.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Aaron


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?

[jsmith]

Tony,

This is a known problem with Mailman.  I have as well as others have had
this problem since the first day.  I posted these problems to the list
with no resolution besides someone saying that I can not used OUTLOOK as
a mail client or not to send HTML.  What they never read is my posts is
that I have tired it with a Hotmail account, Eudora, Outlook, as well as
from the commandline from within freebsd to the list with the same
results.  I have been told that a future version will deal with this
issue.

Don't hold your breath.  If your list is mainly a announce only like
mine is you can just manually put the footers in the body of the email.

Other than that you have set up nothing incorrectly that is causing this
problem.

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Kercher
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?

Don't send html email to the list.  That's most likely why the footer is
being appended as an attachment.  Try it with a plain text message and
see what happens.

Mike


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
n3me
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?


  
Hello friends,
 
My Footers are being sent to our mailing list participants as
Attachments rather than being inserted into the message text.
 
Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have
the footer placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
- Tony -


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change
your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jsmith%40smittybuil
t.com



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer ?

[n3me]

  
Hello friends,
 
My Footers are being sent to our mailing list participants as
Attachments rather than being inserted into the message text.
 
Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have the
footer placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
- Tony -
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

RE: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?

[Mike Kercher]

Don't send html email to the list.  That's most likely why the footer is
being appended as an attachment.  Try it with a plain text message and see
what happens.

Mike


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
n3me
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Footer ?


  
Hello friends,
 
My Footers are being sent to our mailing list participants as
Attachments rather than being inserted into the message text.
 
Please advise what I setup incorrectly and what I must change to have the
footer placed at the bottom of the e-mail message text.
 
Thank you for your assistance.
 
- Tony -


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:11 PM -0400 2003/07/15, Jon Carnes wrote:

 Just curious, but what would be the problem in looking for an html
 message and if the message is html, placing the footer directly in front
 of the /body tag - or if that is missing, in front of the /html tag
 - or if that is missing, simply putting it at the end of the message.
 That seems like it would accommodate 99% of the situations discussed
 here.  The coding for that would also be fairly straightforward.
	You would think.  But many HTML authoring tools (including 
browsers and MUAs that create HTML-formatted e-mail messages) make it 
more complex than that.  The stuff right above the /body tag may 
not be anywhere close to the bottom of the page as it is viewed by 
the recipient.  Or, it may be hidden by a change in font or font 
color, or who knows what else.

	You really do have to be able to parse all the HTML pretty much perfectly.

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[John DeCarlo]

Hello,

I am confused myself, now.

I run two lists with important headers and footers, but no 
personalization.

When a user sends an HTML message, I still receive the header and footer.

I thought the discussion in the past was about problems Outlook has in 
displaying the attached footer.

Or am I misinterpreting the discussion - everyone knows footers still 
work with HTML mail, but the original question was how to embed it into 
the user's HTML?

Thanks.

Larry Rosenman wrote:


--On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 14:58:57 -0700 Jason Buscema 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there any way to have a footer message in an HTML email message? From
what I have read, the answer is no, but figured there might be a
workaround. I need to be able to send a personalized link in the footer
message, which Mailman does wonderfully, but the email is HTML. Any 
ideas?
don't send HTML :-)

Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it.

if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.

I have a $CLIENT that would love it.

LER


--

John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:12 AM -0400 2003/07/16, John DeCarlo wrote:

 I thought the discussion in the past was about problems Outlook has
 in displaying the attached footer.
 Or am I misinterpreting the discussion - everyone knows footers still
 work with HTML mail, but the original question was how to embed it into
 the user's HTML?
	Just slapping a text-format footer onto the bottom of an 
HTML-formatted message may or may not work, depending on the 
receiving MUA.  It might display fine for you, but not for someone 
else.  Even if you have the same program and version as someone else, 
your configuration might be different, and that might effect how 
things like this are displayed.

	The problem is how to embed something like this within the HTML, 
so that it would work for everyone.  And there is no easy answer for 
that question.

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:37 AM -0500 2003/07/16, Ed Wilts wrote:

 How about doing something simply obvious, like forcing the sending
 poster to use something like MAILMAN_FOOTER in the HTML.  Then mailman
 could simply scan the html code for the keyword and do an in-place
 substitution.  Grossly simple, so I'm probably overlooking something...
	How do you do force them to do that?

	How do you ensure that the footer really is in the right place?

--
Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.
GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+
!w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++)
tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Vivek Khera]

 JB == Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JB Regardless, I still need to figure out a way to have a personalized footer
JB message in an HTML message. Changing the message from HTML to plain text
JB isn't an option either.

In one of my businesses, we do attempt to attach a signature to the
end of an HTML message.  Most of the time it works just fine witho our
guess as to where to insert it.  When it fails, it fails miserably.  I
believe it has to do with how well the HTML is formed.  Here's how we
guess where to insert it:

1) look for /body tag.  If present, insert footer HTML code just
   before it.
2) if not present, tack it on to the end of the message.

Most of the time when this fails is when someone forgets to close a
table properly.  Instead of making a nice footer, it usually ends up
starting a new column or something funky like that.

I have no clue how to make Mailman do something like this, but I can't
image it being all that hard once you figure out which function needs
to do it.

-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Vivek Khera, Ph.D.Khera Communications, Inc.
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Rockville, MD   +1-240-453-8497
AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera   http://www.khera.org/~vivek/

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Vivek Khera]

 CTS == Customer  Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

CTS And you cant say that more and more people are NOT getting tired
CTS of having the mail they receive all cluttered up with look
CTS pretty garbage and less real content.

I have a vendor who believes that a 4-point checklist for preparing an
upgrade is best distributed as a 40k-byte MS Word document attachment.

The world is full of people who don't know any better.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

In my specific instance, no list member posts to the list. Its a one-way
list only. I use mime-mail to generate the HTML message each day then send
to the Mailman list. So this *could* be a solution.

In the past with HTML messages we've stuck text at the bottom but it has
been part of the HTML message itself. In this case, I need to have the
personalization of Mailman. There are other ways I can do it, such as have
mime-mail and PHP generate a unique email for each user, but I really want
to avoid going that for many reasons.

On 7/16/03 5:55 AM, Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That would certainly work, but the problem is that ordinary folks using
 the mailing list would probably simply ignore that advice when they
 post.
 
 On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 08:37, Ed Wilts wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:18:27PM +0200, Brad Knowles wrote:
 The problem is how to embed something like this within the HTML,
 so that it would work for everyone.  And there is no easy answer for
 that question.
 
 How about doing something simply obvious, like forcing the sending
 poster to use something like MAILMAN_FOOTER in the HTML.  Then mailman
 could simply scan the html code for the keyword and do an in-place
 substitution.  Grossly simple, so I'm probably overlooking something...
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe or change your options at
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jpbuse%40lambesis.com


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Vivek Khera]

 JC == Jon Carnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JC That seems like it would accommodate 99% of the situations discussed
JC here.  The coding for that would also be fairly straightforward.

JC Jon in ignorance Carnes

Works some/most of the time.  Assumes your HTML is correct, for some
value of correct.  If your html is not correct, even this simle
rule fails miserably.  See my other post on this topic.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[JC Dill]

At 06:45 AM 7/16/2003, Vivek Khera wrote:
 JB == Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

JB Regardless, I still need to figure out a way to have a personalized footer
JB message in an HTML message. Changing the message from HTML to plain text
JB isn't an option either.
In one of my businesses, we do attempt to attach a signature to the
end of an HTML message.  Most of the time it works just fine witho our
guess as to where to insert it.  When it fails, it fails miserably.  I
believe it has to do with how well the HTML is formed.  Here's how we
guess where to insert it:
1) look for /body tag.  If present, insert footer HTML code just
   before it.
2) if not present, tack it on to the end of the message.
Most of the time when this fails is when someone forgets to close a
table properly.  Instead of making a nice footer, it usually ends up
starting a new column or something funky like that.
.footer
/td/tr/table/td/tr/table/td/tr/table/td/tr/table
/font/font/font/b/i/ul/ol/p/p/p
pFooter text will now display properly unless the body code was REALLY 
screwed up./p

jc

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

But how can I use the Mailman footer so its personalized? I want to do
something like this in the Mailman footer:

If you want to unsubscribe from this list then go to
http://mydomain.com/unsubscribe.php?id=%(user_name)s

This is in its simplest form, but you get the idea. I can make a footer in
my html message, but it will be HTML and Mailman can't add its
personalization to it.

On 7/16/03 4:49 PM, JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 06:45 AM 7/16/2003, Vivek Khera wrote:
 JB == Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 JB Regardless, I still need to figure out a way to have a personalized
 footer
 JB message in an HTML message. Changing the message from HTML to plain text
 JB isn't an option either.
 
 In one of my businesses, we do attempt to attach a signature to the
 end of an HTML message.  Most of the time it works just fine witho our
 guess as to where to insert it.  When it fails, it fails miserably.  I
 believe it has to do with how well the HTML is formed.  Here's how we
 guess where to insert it:
 
 1) look for /body tag.  If present, insert footer HTML code just
before it.
 2) if not present, tack it on to the end of the message.
 
 Most of the time when this fails is when someone forgets to close a
 table properly.  Instead of making a nice footer, it usually ends up
 starting a new column or something funky like that.
 
 .footer
 /td/tr/table/td/tr/table/td/tr/table/td/tr/table
 /font/font/font/b/i/ul/ol/p/p/p
 pFooter text will now display properly unless the body code was REALLY
 screwed up./p
 
 jc
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe or change your options at
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jpbuse%40lambesis.com


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

Is there any way to have a footer message in an HTML email message? From
what I have read, the answer is no, but figured there might be a workaround.
I need to be able to send a personalized link in the footer message, which
Mailman does wonderfully, but the email is HTML. Any ideas?


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Larry Rosenman]

--On Tuesday, July 15, 2003 14:58:57 -0700 Jason Buscema 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is there any way to have a footer message in an HTML email message? From
what I have read, the answer is no, but figured there might be a
workaround. I need to be able to send a personalized link in the footer
message, which Mailman does wonderfully, but the email is HTML. Any ideas?
don't send HTML :-)

Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it.

if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.

I have a $CLIENT that would love it.

LER

--
Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler
Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from sending
HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer the
HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the daily
emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for this
list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com)
using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can subscribe
to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID in it
for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went w/
HTML emails :(

 don't send HTML :-)
 
 Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed it.
 
 if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.
 
 I have a $CLIENT that would love it.
 
 LER
 


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Cody Harris]

HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl
don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman
list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC.

- Original Message - 
From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email


 For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic
 that it incurs.

 On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html?
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
  Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from
sending
  HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer
the
  HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the
daily
  emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for
this
  list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com)
  using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can
subscribe
  to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID
in
  it
  for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went
w/
  HTML emails :(
 
  don't send HTML :-)
 
  Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed
  it.
 
  if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.
 
  I have a $CLIENT that would love it.
 
  LER
 
 
 
  --
  Mailman-Users mailing list
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  Searchable Archives:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
  This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Unsubscribe or change your options at
 
 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca
 



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

I don't fully agree although I'm not a big fan of html emails myself. We use
it on the SKYY Vodka website for users that want to receive a daily drink
recipe and/or want to receive a quarterly newsletter type thing. Its an
entertainment website. We've always given the users the option for either
plain or html and recently more people have chosen HTML, even for the daily
message. The daily message consists of a unique recipe with a picture of the
drink and Skyy flavor, etc.

Regardless, I still need to figure out a way to have a personalized footer
message in an HTML message. Changing the message from HTML to plain text
isn't an option either.

On 7/15/03 3:31 PM, Customer  Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

HTML in email sucks.  If I want to see a damn web page I'll go to
 the URL.  Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the fact
 that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway.  I filter ALL HTML out of
 any mail I get.  Its extremely unprofessional to use.
 
 
 
 At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote:
 
 HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to ppl
 don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the mailman
 list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
 For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra traffic
 that it incurs.
 
 On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti html?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
 Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from
 sending
 HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually prefer
 the
 HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the
 daily
 emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least for
 this
 list). The management is handled through the web site itself (skyy.com)
 using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can
 subscribe
 to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique ID
 in
 it
 for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we went
 w/
 HTML emails :(
 
 don't send HTML :-)
 
 Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically vetoed
 it.
 
 if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.
 
 I have a $CLIENT that would love it.
 
 LER
 
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe or change your options at
 
 
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca
 
 
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe or change your options at
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/support%40pczero.net
 


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Richard Barrett]

On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Cody Harris wrote:

If it was suddenly unprofessional to not use HTML and use XML, would  
you
follow?
The use of XML and HTML are not equivalent.

Using XML to semantically markup data for transmission via email is  
justified where it is used to remove ambiguity in the data; I contrast  
this with the XML markup generated with similar objectives to HTML  
markup by some popular PC applications in particular.

IMNSHO filling people's mail boxes, burning their bandwidth and spam  
and junk  mail filter performance with mail tarted up using HTML is not  
justified.

HMTL email is for the most part, like much HTML markup on web pages, a  
triumph of form over content.

- Original Message -
From: Customer  Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

 HTML in email sucks.  If I want to see a damn web page I'll  
go to
the URL.  Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the  
fact
that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway.  I filter ALL HTML  
out of
any mail I get.  Its extremely unprofessional to use.



At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote:

HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to  
ppl
don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the
mailman
list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC.

- Original Message -
From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra
traffic
that it incurs.

On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti  
html?

- Original Message -
From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from
sending
HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually
prefer
the
HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the
daily
emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least  
for
this
list). The management is handled through the web site itself
(skyy.com)
using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can
subscribe
to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique
ID
in
it
for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we
went
w/
HTML emails :(

don't send HTML :-)

Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically
vetoed
it.
if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.

I have a $CLIENT that would love it.

LER



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at

http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ 
hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ 
support%40pczero.net




--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives:  
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ 
r.barrett%40openinfo.co.uk



--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Customer Technical Support]

And you cant say that more and more people are NOT getting tired of having 
the mail they receive all cluttered up with look pretty garbage and less 
real content.



t 08:11 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote:

Think what you like, but you can't say taht more and more people want HTML
e-mails.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

 On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Cody Harris wrote:

  If it was suddenly unprofessional to not use HTML and use XML, would
  you
  follow?

 The use of XML and HTML are not equivalent.

 Using XML to semantically markup data for transmission via email is
 justified where it is used to remove ambiguity in the data; I contrast
 this with the XML markup generated with similar objectives to HTML
 markup by some popular PC applications in particular.

 IMNSHO filling people's mail boxes, burning their bandwidth and spam
 and junk  mail filter performance with mail tarted up using HTML is not
 justified.

 HMTL email is for the most part, like much HTML markup on web pages, a
 triumph of form over content.

  - Original Message -
  From: Customer  Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
   HTML in email sucks.  If I want to see a damn web page I'll
  go to
  the URL.  Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the
  fact
  that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway.  I filter ALL HTML
  out of
  any mail I get.  Its extremely unprofessional to use.
 
 
 
  At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote:
 
  HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to
  ppl
  don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the
  mailman
  list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
  For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra
  traffic
  that it incurs.
 
  On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti
  html?
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
  Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from
  sending
  HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually
  prefer
  the
  HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the
  daily
  emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least
  for
  this
  list). The management is handled through the web site itself
  (skyy.com)
  using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can
  subscribe
  to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique
  ID
  in
  it
  for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we
  went
  w/
  HTML emails :(
 
  don't send HTML :-)
 
  Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically
  vetoed
  it.
 
  if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.
 
  I have a $CLIENT that would love it.
 
  LER
 
 
 
  --
  Mailman-Users mailing list
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  Searchable Archives:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
  This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Unsubscribe or change your options at
 
 
 
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/
  hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca
 
 
 
 
  --
  Mailman-Users mailing list
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  Searchable Archives:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
  This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Unsubscribe or change your options at
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/
  support%40pczero.net
 
 
 
 
  --
  Mailman-Users mailing list
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
  Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  Searchable Archives:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
  This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Unsubscribe or change your options at
  http://mail.python.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

This puts me back to my original post... the reason I want to have a
personalized footer message in my HTML emails is so that a user can click
the link to unsubscribe. Again, we don't use Mailman management for this
list. If the user is getting tired of HTML emails, they can click a link and
change to plain text, or they click another link and be removed from the
list completely. Pretty simple really... we're just giving the user an
option on how they want to clutter their inbox.

On 7/15/03 4:14 PM, Customer  Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 And you cant say that more and more people are NOT getting tired of having
 the mail they receive all cluttered up with look pretty garbage and less
 real content.
 
 
 
 t 08:11 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote:
 
 Think what you like, but you can't say taht more and more people want HTML
 e-mails.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 11:35 PM, Cody Harris wrote:
 
 If it was suddenly unprofessional to not use HTML and use XML, would
 you
 follow?
 
 The use of XML and HTML are not equivalent.
 
 Using XML to semantically markup data for transmission via email is
 justified where it is used to remove ambiguity in the data; I contrast
 this with the XML markup generated with similar objectives to HTML
 markup by some popular PC applications in particular.
 
 IMNSHO filling people's mail boxes, burning their bandwidth and spam
 and junk  mail filter performance with mail tarted up using HTML is not
 justified.
 
 HMTL email is for the most part, like much HTML markup on web pages, a
 triumph of form over content.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Customer  Technical Support [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mailman
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
  HTML in email sucks.  If I want to see a damn web page I'll
 go to
 the URL.  Most people use HTML to dress up spam or otherwise hide the
 fact
 that they had nothing worthwhile to say anyway.  I filter ALL HTML
 out of
 any mail I get.  Its extremely unprofessional to use.
 
 
 
 At 07:17 PM 7/15/2003 -0300, Cody Harris wrote:
 
 HTML allows the e-mails to be well layed out. Things to be bolded to
 ppl
 don't have to hunt for them. Wait a minute, i'm not sending to the
 mailman
 list! I'm sending to you. Oops ^_^. Anyways. I'' just add it to CC.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
 For me, I'm anti HTML emails for our clients because of the extra
 traffic
 that it incurs.
 
 On 7/15/03 3:12 PM, Cody Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Why is that people are anti HTML? How about if sites went anti
 html?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Jason Buscema [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email
 
 
 Ha... I'm in the same boat really... I discouraged the client from
 sending
 HTML emails, but they insisted. The email recipients actually
 prefer
 the
 HTML vs plain text now, to my surprise. We use Mailman to send the
 daily
 emails, but we do not use Mailman for list management (at least
 for
 this
 list). The management is handled through the web site itself
 (skyy.com)
 using MySql. A user creates an account, then from there they can
 subscribe
 to a list. We want the daily messages to have a link with a unique
 ID
 in
 it
 for a quick unsubscribe. I had the method all worked out, then we
 went
 w/
 HTML emails :(
 
 don't send HTML :-)
 
 Seriously, though, I asked the same thing, and Barry basically
 vetoed
 it.
 
 if you find a way (even with a local patch), I'm all eyes.
 
 I have a $CLIENT that would love it.
 
 LER
 
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe or change your options at
 
 
 
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/
 hchs%40ns.sympatico.ca
 
 
 
 
 --
 Mailman-Users mailing list
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
 Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
 Searchable Archives:
 http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
 
 This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Unsubscribe or change your options

Re: [Mailman-Users] Footer message in html email

[Jason Buscema]

Sorry for the confusion. I use Mailman for all my lists that I run. For this
specific list I use Mailman for everything except user management. This part
is handled through a MySql DB and syncs w/ Mailman each night. If I didn't
have to do HTML I wouldn't, but in this case I need to do it.

That said... Does the same hold true for a header as it does for a footer?
Thanks for the info... I don't have too much experience w/ HTML emails.

 I'm confused.  If you're not using mailman for the list, why are
 you asking us for help on this topic?
 
 The problem with HTML is that there is no standard way of knowing
 where the bottom of the message is (as perceived by the user), and
 therefore you can't really attach a footer at the bottom.  You could
 encapsulate the entire HTML message and use a MIME multipart, but how
 that would be displayed would vary greatly depending on the MUA.
 
 
 So, the basic answer is -- it can't be done.  Not with HTML
 e-mail.  This is one of the many reasons why people who've been doing
 e-mail for a while consider it to be one of the worst evils that has
 been visited upon the Internet -- usually just below spam.


--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org