Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
Thank you for the thorough and thoughtful response. I really thought as much, but wanted to check with the experts--you certainly all seem very knowledgeable and I appreciate your insights. Rasa On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Grant Taylor gtay...@riverviewtech.netwrote: On 04/05/09 08:07, Rasa Isaacson wrote: Our organization wants to set up a mailing list in a very generic fashion. We would like to list the board members as approved members using the generic emails we have set up: So you are wanting to use positional addresses, not personal addresses (with names). That in and of its self should be fine. We have a forwarder set up through our website (hosted by Lunarpages--don't know if that matters) that associates the generic email address to the personal email account for the board member, so if a email sent to presid...@ourwebsite.org is received it's forwarded to the appropriate personal account. *nod* ... One possible implementation of a typical configuration. Is there something analogous in mailman to associate a personal email account with the generic account on incoming posts to the board? Like an alias, but looking at the From: field and translating it to the generic account like presid...@ourwebsite.org. It sounds to me like you are wanting to translate the From: address of messages as they pass through the email system in to Mailman. I.e. translate from: barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov To: presid...@whitehouse.gov (For the sake of conversation I'm presuming that this is indeed what you are wanting.) I don't think that Mailman its self has (or should have) the ability to do what you are wanting. That being said I don't see any reason that you could not put a shim / wrapper script in between your mail server and Mailman. I know that it would be entirely possible to throw together some Perl code running a Regular Expression to translate barack.obama to president. I.e. $From =~ m/^To: barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov/To: presid...@whitehouse.gov/i; I hope this makes sense. Thanks. I think I understood what you are wanting to do. Presuming that I did, the short answer is that (to the best of my knowledge) Mailman does not include support to do what you want to do and probably should not either. I think you will be much better off doing this out side of Mailman. Now, if you are just wanting your board members to be able to send with either their personal addresses -OR- their positional addresses all you need to do is add both addresses to the mailing list (and set one to not receive email) as well as authorizing them to send. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rasa.isaacson%40gmail.com Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 8, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Mailman itself will not, but one goal of MM3 is to provide a standard connector architecture for backend databases which supply at least a name and email address but probably do a lot more than that. People who are interested in this feature should look at the MM3 stuff on the wiki and the MM3 code and documentation, then ask Barry what his plans are. It should not be hard to add further elements to web-based forms (for one example) that feed names and addresses to such a connector. Then Mailman itself would ignore that additional information (absent local extensions), merely providing a single communication channel for list managers to access the backend database. Most of the effort would no doubt go to providing sane error messages in the case where the backend's schema doesn't support the additional fields, and stuff like that. Stephen's basically correct. In Mailman 3, the core engine operates on components, essentially objects that implement a formal interface. There are three stores of data, user data, list data and message data, with loose connections between them (think: no foreign keys). Thus you could, in theory anyway wink, store the user data including subscription information in your CMS, and let Mailman handle list- specific data. Of course, you could re-implement the backends to provide the defined interfaces anyway you wanted and then Mailman should operate without regard to where the data lives. I won't go into more detail here. If you're interested in participating more in the development of Mailman 3, please join us over in mailman-develop...@python.org. Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAknciqAACgkQ2YZpQepbvXHLQwCfTtSHutL3bIjLetYHmS5ZidyG HWMAnikoDJZO+tXWS5JemHgE3glvLHZ4 =+1pY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
Rasa Isaacson writes:
Is there something analogous in mailman to associate a personal email
account with the generic account on incoming posts to the board? Like an
alias, but looking at the From: field and translating it to the generic
account like presid...@ourwebsite.org.
This could be done in a custom Handler. I haven't worked on such a
thing in a long while, but somebody who's familiar with the email
package could probably work a simple one up in less than an hour.
Loop over the from addresses, and in that loop, loop over a dictionary
like
officer_map = { j...@home.example.com : presid...@ourwebsite.org,
f...@flintstones.org : vice-presid...@ourwebsite.org }
substituting the value for the text that matches the key. The key can
be a regular expression, too.
Then insert that Handler into either the global pipeline (if you want
it to happen for all lists) or the list-specific pipelines for the
lists where it should happen using bin/withlist. (Don't worry if you
don't understand any of that; anybody who can do the work will know
what I'm talking about, it's not rocket science.)
Making this customizable from the web interface would be harder, maybe
taking two to three times as much time (just because of a fair number
of fussy details).
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Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
On 04/05/09 08:07, Rasa Isaacson wrote: Our organization wants to set up a mailing list in a very generic fashion. We would like to list the board members as approved members using the generic emails we have set up: So you are wanting to use positional addresses, not personal addresses (with names). That in and of its self should be fine. We have a forwarder set up through our website (hosted by Lunarpages--don't know if that matters) that associates the generic email address to the personal email account for the board member, so if a email sent to presid...@ourwebsite.org is received it's forwarded to the appropriate personal account. *nod* ... One possible implementation of a typical configuration. Is there something analogous in mailman to associate a personal email account with the generic account on incoming posts to the board? Like an alias, but looking at the From: field and translating it to the generic account like presid...@ourwebsite.org. It sounds to me like you are wanting to translate the From: address of messages as they pass through the email system in to Mailman. I.e. translate from: barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov To: presid...@whitehouse.gov (For the sake of conversation I'm presuming that this is indeed what you are wanting.) I don't think that Mailman its self has (or should have) the ability to do what you are wanting. That being said I don't see any reason that you could not put a shim / wrapper script in between your mail server and Mailman. I know that it would be entirely possible to throw together some Perl code running a Regular Expression to translate barack.obama to president. I.e. $From =~ m/^To: barack.ob...@whitehouse.gov/To: presid...@whitehouse.gov/i; I hope this makes sense. Thanks. I think I understood what you are wanting to do. Presuming that I did, the short answer is that (to the best of my knowledge) Mailman does not include support to do what you want to do and probably should not either. I think you will be much better off doing this out side of Mailman. Now, if you are just wanting your board members to be able to send with either their personal addresses -OR- their positional addresses all you need to do is add both addresses to the mailing list (and set one to not receive email) as well as authorizing them to send. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
On 04/07/09 02:49, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: This could be done in a custom Handler. I haven't worked on such a thing in a long while, but somebody who's familiar with the email package could probably work a simple one up in less than an hour. Loop over the from addresses, and in that loop, loop over a dictionary like *nod* This is along the exact same lines that I was talking about in my previous post. Then insert that Handler into either the global pipeline (if you want it to happen for all lists) or the list-specific pipelines for the lists where it should happen using bin/withlist. (Don't worry if you don't understand any of that; anybody who can do the work will know what I'm talking about, it's not rocket science.) Ok... Now you are starting to make me think that there are places in the Mailman code that will look for custom code (in a separate file that is called if it exists?) that can be executed to do things like this. Is this the case? If this is not currently the case, how difficult would it be (and would it be worth while) calling a stub function in separate files that would allow users to run their own custom translation code with out having to get in to the main Mailman code? Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
Grant: Your post reminds me of something I'd like to set up. As I collect incoming emails and then contact information, demographics associated with those sending me email, I'd like to have that other information accessible, not just their email and name. What would one use to maintain a contact list, with more than just name and email address? Is there any sort of Act or Saleforce for linux platform? I have used SugarCRM, but wonder if there's something more basic.. Something I could run from GUI or from command line. Scott -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 09:42:06AM -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: Now, if you are just wanting your board members to be able to send with either their personal addresses -OR- their positional addresses all you need to do is add both addresses to the mailing list (and set one to not receive email) as well as authorizing them to send. I'm not entirely convinced of the need to add both addresses (personal functional/positional) as list-members: I'd be more inclined to add the address to which you wish to send (the positional, yes?) as list-members, and add their real email address (the personal) as an authorized-sender. (or add a wild-card: q.v., http://is.gd/rdxK, c.) It is, -- or rather, it ought to be -- moderately easy to automate the process of keeping the authorized_senders list up-to date (with a bit of scripting foo, and command-line/cron access); or if it's not one of those things that changes often, to keep as a manual process. -- ``What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter as if he were a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?'' (Richard Feynman) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
Grant Taylor wrote: Ok... Now you are starting to make me think that there are places in the Mailman code that will look for custom code (in a separate file that is called if it exists?) that can be executed to do things like this. Is this the case? Yes. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/l4A9 on implementation of custom handlers. This FAQ also makes brief reference to the extend.py mechanism. If the lists/LISTNAME/ directory contains an extend.py module that defines an extend() function, this function is called with the list as argument whenever a list is instantiated. See the end of the definition of the MailList.__init__() method in Mailman/MailList.py for more on this. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
On 04/07/09 10:10, Adam McGreggor wrote: I'm not entirely convinced of the need to add both addresses (personal functional/positional) as list-members: I'd be more inclined to add the address to which you wish to send (the positional, yes?) as list-members, and add their real email address (the personal) as an authorized-sender. Ok. I'll give you that. I guess I started doing what I suggested as an end user / subscriber to other Mailman mailing lists because I wanted messages to be delivered to one address (for sorting reasons) while accepting my posts from my main address. (In fact I'm doing this for the Mailman mailing list.) I suppose I could have contacted the list administrator and asked them to add me as an authorized-sender, but I could do what I did by my self with out requesting out side assistance. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
On 04/07/09 10:02, Jones, Scott (GE Money, consultant) wrote: As I collect incoming emails and then contact information, demographics associated with those sending me email, I'd like to have that other information accessible, not just their email and name. Ok... What would one use to maintain a contact list, with more than just name and email address? Is there any sort of Act or Saleforce for linux platform? I have used SugarCRM, but wonder if there's something more basic.. Something I could run from GUI or from command line. I don't know of any packages like Act or Saleforce (though I'm sure that something exists). I tend to use Thunderbird's address book (and Sync Kolab) to have this type of information on multiple Linux and Windows systems. However this is out side the scope of Mailman and as such Mailman will likely never store much more than it is. Grant. . . . -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
Grant Taylor writes: What would one use to maintain a contact list, with more than just name and email address? However this is out side the scope of Mailman and as such Mailman will likely never store much more than it is. Mailman itself will not, but one goal of MM3 is to provide a standard connector architecture for backend databases which supply at least a name and email address but probably do a lot more than that. People who are interested in this feature should look at the MM3 stuff on the wiki and the MM3 code and documentation, then ask Barry what his plans are. It should not be hard to add further elements to web-based forms (for one example) that feed names and addresses to such a connector. Then Mailman itself would ignore that additional information (absent local extensions), merely providing a single communication channel for list managers to access the backend database. Most of the effort would no doubt go to providing sane error messages in the case where the backend's schema doesn't support the additional fields, and stuff like that. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
Our organization wants to set up a mailing list in a very generic fashion. We would like to list the board members as approved members using the generic emails we have set up: presid...@ourwebsite.org vicepresid...@outwebsite.org etc... We have a forwarder set up through our website (hosted by Lunarpages--don't know if that matters) that associates the generic email address to the personal email account for the board member, so if a email sent to presid...@ourwebsite.org is received it's forwarded to the appropriate personal account. Is there something analogous in mailman to associate a personal email account with the generic account on incoming posts to the board? Like an alias, but looking at the From: field and translating it to the generic account like presid...@ourwebsite.org. I hope this makes sense. Thanks. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up the mailing list
on 4/5/09 8:07 AM, Rasa Isaacson said: Is there something analogous in mailman to associate a personal email account with the generic account on incoming posts to the board? Like an alias, but looking at the From: field and translating it to the generic account like presid...@ourwebsite.org. Unfortunately, no. The best you could do would be to have the senders configure their mail programs so that when they send official messages, they can choose to send them from their official account. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.orgIf you like Jazz/RB guitar, check out LinkedIn Profile: my friend bigsbytracks on YouTube at http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxuhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/bigsbytracks -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] setting up a mailing list
How can I insert a large number of mailadresses into a mailing list? met vriendelijke groet, Thomas van den Berg Herautstraat 61 8043AE Zwolle tel 038-4605620 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up a mailing list
This is what I use, assuming memberlist is a list of members - #/usr/lib/mailman/binadd_members -r /path/to/memberlist -w n -a n listname Best Regards, Rick -- Rick Cogley (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tel: 03-5940-6880 || Fax: 03-5940-6881 || Cell: 090-4423-5475 (Outside Japan, remove leading zero -- +81-3-5940-6880) English: http://www.esolia.com || Japanese: http://www.esolia.co.jp Bilingual IT solutions and management firm -- eSolia. -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vandenberg Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 5:22 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] setting up a mailing list How can I insert a large number of mailadresses into a mailing list? met vriendelijke groet, Thomas van den Berg Herautstraat 61 8043AE Zwolle tel 038-4605620 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rick.cogley%40esolia.co .jp Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] setting up a mailing list
vandenberg wrote: How can I insert a large number of mailadresses into a mailing list? Another poster indicated bin/add_members which is fine if you have command line access and sufficient permission. Otherwise, you can use Membership Management...-Mass Subscription in the web admin interface. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
