[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists and scrubbed attachments
If someone posts an attachment to an umbrella list, will the subscribers to the sublists be able to access the umbrella attachment archive? Or should umbrella lists never use scrubbing? Thanks, Rich -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mark Sapiro wrote:
Find the lines (watch for wrapping)
def prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
fast
# tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user such
as the
# list admin).
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
and add two lines after the comment so it becomes
def prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
fast
# tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user such
as the
# list admin).
if msg.get('x-no-archive', None) == None:
return
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
If you decide to use a header other than X-No-Archive:, you'd replace
'x-no-archive' above with the name of that header.
Thank you Mark you wonderful genius - what would this list be without
your input? That's just the solution I was looking for, but was being
put off-track by the 1999 solution which, for reference, is here:
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/1999-September/005936.html
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mike Peachey wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
and add two lines after the comment so it becomes
def prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
fast
# tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user such
as the
# list admin).
if msg.get('x-no-archive', None) == None:
return
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
If you decide to use a header other than X-No-Archive:, you'd replace
'x-no-archive' above with the name of that header.
That's just the solution I was looking for, but was being
put off-track by the 1999 solution ...
Ooops...
The code above contains a mistake. It will prefix the subject only for
messages that DO have the X-No-Archive: header. What you want in the
if test is
if msg.get('x-no-archive', None) None:
return
to skip the prefix if the header is not None. Those double negatives
will get you every time. ;-)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mark Sapiro wrote:
Mike Peachey wrote:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
and add two lines after the comment so it becomes
def prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
fast
# tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user such
as the
# list admin).
if msg.get('x-no-archive', None) == None:
return
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
If you decide to use a header other than X-No-Archive:, you'd replace
'x-no-archive' above with the name of that header.
That's just the solution I was looking for, but was being
put off-track by the 1999 solution ...
Ooops...
The code above contains a mistake. It will prefix the subject only for
messages that DO have the X-No-Archive: header. What you want in the
if test is
if msg.get('x-no-archive', None) None:
return
to skip the prefix if the header is not None. Those double negatives
will get you every time. ;-)
I'm using this anyway :-)
if msg.has_key('x-no-subject-prefix') and msg.get('x-no-subject-prefix',
'').lower() == 'yes':
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mike Peachey wrote:
I'm using this anyway :-)
if msg.has_key('x-no-subject-prefix') and msg.get('x-no-subject-prefix',
'').lower() == 'yes':
You don't need to test separately for the presence of the header.
That's what the second argument to msg.get() is for. It is returned
when the header named in the first argument isn't present, so the
above can be simplified to
if msg.get('x-no-subject-prefix', '').lower() == 'yes':
which is true if and only if there is an 'x-no-subject-prefix' header
with value 'yes'
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mark Sapiro wrote:
Mike Peachey wrote:
I'm using this anyway :-)
if msg.has_key('x-no-subject-prefix') and msg.get('x-no-subject-prefix',
'').lower() == 'yes':
You don't need to test separately for the presence of the header.
That's what the second argument to msg.get() is for. It is returned
when the header named in the first argument isn't present, so the
above can be simplified to
if msg.get('x-no-subject-prefix', '').lower() == 'yes':
which is true if and only if there is an 'x-no-subject-prefix' header
with value 'yes'
Ta.
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[Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mailman Ver: 2.1.5 Our company now exclusively uses Mailman for it's departmental mailing lists and it's done through umbrella lists set up in the same way as the org chart for the company. I have managed to stop all sub-lists from re-archiving mails that have been through higher lists by adding an X-No-Archive to mails as soon as they're archived so that they only get archived once. However, Subject Prefixes are giving me a little more hassle. Currently, if a message goes through the lists ListA, ListB and ListC on their way to a recipient, the subject line looks like this: Subject: [ListC][ListB][ListA] $subject This is getting to be an annoyance for many within the company and I would like to get it to ONLY add a subject prefix if it's the first list it's been through. So, if you send to ListA, you get [ListA] instead of [ListC][ListB][ListA] and if you send to ListB you get [ListB] instead of [ListC][ListB]. I have spent a lot of time looking for a solution to this one, but the only solution I found is one from 1999 that might or might not work for this version of Mailman, but my lack of Python skill is letting me down in working it out. Can anyone offer any help on this? Roll-on Mailman v3! -- Kind Regards, __ Mike Peachey, IT Tel: +44 114 281 2655 Fax: +44 114 281 2951 Jennic Ltd, Furnival Street, Sheffield, S1 4QT, UK Comp Reg No: 3191371 - Registered In England http://www.jennic.com __ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists Subject Prefixes
Mike Peachey wrote:
I have managed to stop all sub-lists from re-archiving mails that have
been through higher lists by adding an X-No-Archive to mails as soon as
they're archived so that they only get archived once.
However, Subject Prefixes are giving me a little more hassle.
Currently, if a message goes through the lists ListA, ListB and ListC
on their way to a recipient, the subject line looks like this:
Subject: [ListC][ListB][ListA] $subject
This is getting to be an annoyance for many within the company and I
would like to get it to ONLY add a subject prefix if it's the first list
it's been through. So, if you send to ListA, you get [ListA] instead of
[ListC][ListB][ListA] and if you send to ListB you get [ListB] instead
of [ListC][ListB].
I have spent a lot of time looking for a solution to this one, but the
only solution I found is one from 1999 that might or might not work for
this version of Mailman, but my lack of Python skill is letting me down
in working it out.
If you yould tell us what the 1999 solution is or give a link to it, we
might be able to tell you if it applies.
However, here's a solution. IIRC, you are using a custom handler to add
the X-No-Archive: header to mail sent from a list so it is received by
subsequent lists with the header and not archived. Thus, you already
have the presence of this header to know if a message has been through
a prior list. And, if you're concerned about the possibility of a
message arriving at the first list with an X-No-Archive: header
already there, you could add an X-Mailman-No-Prefix: or some such
header too.
Now given that the message has a header that identifies it as one not
wanting to be prefixed you need to modify
Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py as follows:
Find the lines (watch for wrapping)
def prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
fast
# tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user such
as the
# list admin).
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
and add two lines after the comment so it becomes
def prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata):
# Add the subject prefix unless the message is a digest or is being
fast
# tracked (e.g. internally crafted, delivered to a single user such
as the
# list admin).
if msg.get('x-no-archive', None) == None:
return
prefix = mlist.subject_prefix
If you decide to use a header other than X-No-Archive:, you'd replace
'x-no-archive' above with the name of that header.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists.
Lech Karol PawBaszek wrote: What i would like is to have true lists only at the lowest level. But be able to accept incoming mail at the highest level and not to worry about accepting the same mail on the other lists (if it is not from my company domainname). I've tried acceptable_aliases variable, but it doesn't work if the lower level lists doesn't have sender on a member list (which is ok). So i tried to use spam filters and header_filter_rules variable and set one rule matching announce at announce.poland level with action accept, but when generic_nonmember_action variable is set to hold (members only list) - message still hits on hold queue, and when generic_action_variable is set to accept (anyone can send emails) messages pass through spam filters anyway. You can't use header_filter_rules because the 'accept' action only says 'pass the header filter'. It doesn't say 'unconditionally accept the message'. Is there any way to tell mailman to accept message matching header (like accept_these_nonmembers but looking at recepient address oslt) even if the list is members only? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.069.htp for our advice on how to set this up. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists.
Hello, I have a problem with setting up an umberlla list. I know it is wrong and i should not use umbrella list, but (i think) i really have to. If anyone has any other solution to my problem - i'm listening. I want to have mutliple level list. At the very moment my company uses announce list to announce important stuff. But we also have country announce lists - such as announce.pl or announce.fi and so on. Moreover - we have regional (or city) announce lists - such as announce.szczecin and announce.warsaw (sometimes i think those should have names like announce.pl.szczecin). Let sum it up: announce: + announce.poland - announce.szczecin - announce.warsaw + announce.finland - announce.helsinki What i would like is to have true lists only at the lowest level. But be able to accept incoming mail at the highest level and not to worry about accepting the same mail on the other lists (if it is not from my company domainname). I've tried acceptable_aliases variable, but it doesn't work if the lower level lists doesn't have sender on a member list (which is ok). So i tried to use spam filters and header_filter_rules variable and set one rule matching announce at announce.poland level with action accept, but when generic_nonmember_action variable is set to hold (members only list) - message still hits on hold queue, and when generic_action_variable is set to accept (anyone can send emails) messages pass through spam filters anyway. Is there any way to tell mailman to accept message matching header (like accept_these_nonmembers but looking at recepient address oslt) even if the list is members only? Sorry for my English - i am not native speaker. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, -- Lech Karol Pawłaszek ike You will never see me fall from grace [KoRn] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
I am using Using Mailman version: 2.1.5 on rhel4 (what comes with the box). I am want to set up a list, call it U1, that is an umbrella list to list L1, L2 and some individual subscribers S1 and S2. Can an umbrella list be set up this way, or is all or nothing - ie: all the subscribers are either list or they are all individual subscribers. If both can be on there, do I list the sublists as (L1 and L2) as L1-owner and L2-owner? I would want password reminders and such to go to S1 and S2 but not to L1 or L2 (although L1-owner and L2-owner would be ok). Also would want email from U1 to post to L1 lists, but would want L2 to decide if the post should go through. Is this possible? Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
Douglas B. Jones wrote: I am using Using Mailman version: 2.1.5 on rhel4 (what comes with the box). I am want to set up a list, call it U1, that is an umbrella list to list L1, L2 and some individual subscribers S1 and S2. Can an umbrella list be set up this way, or is all or nothing - ie: all the subscribers are either list or they are all individual subscribers. There's nothing magic about umbrella lists. All the umbrella list designation does is append '-owner' (or whatever suffix you choose) to the local part of the recipient address of various administrative messages - in particular, password reminders. You can have both lists and individuals as members of a list, but it isn't clean. If both can be on there, do I list the sublists as (L1 and L2) as L1-owner and L2-owner? No. The sublists have to be L1 and L2 or the posts from U1 will not be sent to the list members. I would want password reminders and such to go to S1 and S2 but not to L1 or L2 (although L1-owner and L2-owner would be ok). This is the unclean part. If you declare U1 to be an umbrella list, password reminders will be sent to S1-owner and S2-owner which is probably not satisfactory. If U1 is not an umbrella list, then password reminders will be sent to L1 and L2. You can always turn off periodic reminders for these (list) members, but that doesn't stop someone from requesting a password via web or email which then gets mailed to the list. Also would want email from U1 to post to L1 lists, but would want L2 to decide if the post should go through. Is this possible? Thanks! This part is easy. You set L1 and L2 (and U1) to require_explicit_destination. You add U1 to acceptable_aliases for L1, but not for L2. Then posts relayed from U1 to L2 will be held for implicit destination and require moderator approval. In many cases, you need to add U1-bounces as a member of L1 and L2 with delivery disabled so that posts to U1 are not held by L1 and L2 as being from a non-member. You could omit this for L2, and posts to L2 from U1 would be held for that reason. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
John Adamski wrote: After more research it looks like the issue is between our exchange server and mailman. Exchange is holding all emails in a queue and getting error 'The remover server did not respond to a connection attempt.' So far I have not found out why exchange can't connect or what the exact error it is getting when it tries to connect. Yet Lori's original post implied that mail to non-umbrella lists was working. I don't know what could possibly allow exchange to connect when it is going to (not yet known) deliver to A, but not when it is going to deliver to B. But, then I know nothing about Exchange (or what lies it might tell). In this case, it appears to be saying that the remote server (the incoming MTA on the Mailman box?) did not respond at all to its connect attempt. Is anything about the mailman lists configured in Exchange? If so, what's different between lists that work and lists that don't? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Lori Christensen wrote: None of the sub-lists that are members receive their email from umbrella list. Example: umbrella list name- campusfac-l Membership for this list is Hum-l Soc-l Sci-l (these all have campusfac-l under recipient filter- Alias names (regexps) which qualify as explicit to or cc destination names for this list. Does the umbrella list receive the message? (subscribe your own email address to the umbrella and see if you get the post. Check Mailman's logs, 'post', 'smtp', smtp-failure', 'vette' to see if the post got to/through the umbrella and if/why it got discarded by the sub-lists) The sub-list has to accept the post. This is going to depend on things like *_these_nonmembers and generic_non-member_action for the sub-lists or sub-list membership. You may want to subscribe - with delivery disabled - the umbrella-bounces address (the sender of posts from the umbrella) to each of the sub-lists. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
After more research it looks like the issue is between our exchange server and mailman. Exchange is holding all emails in a queue and getting error 'The remover server did not respond to a connection attempt.' So far I have not found out why exchange can't connect or what the exact error it is getting when it tries to connect. Has anyone ever had a similar problem? John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 6:10 PM To: Lori Christensen; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists Lori Christensen wrote: We are currently trying to implement mailman lists on our campus. Implementation of normal lists has gone well but when we try to set up an umbrella list it doesn't seem to work. It shows the lists as subscribed to the main list and we've set the privacy options but somewhere we must have something selected or not selected that makes them run properly. Is it possible for you to send a link that would show how both the main list of the umbrella list is set up and also how the sub lists within it are set up? We have a feeling it may be we don't have something chosen correctly. It might be easier if you just told us exactly what happens when a post is sent to the umbrella list and exactly what privacy options you have set. Note the following: A post to the umbrella must come from a member of the umbrella list or someone in accept_these_nonmembers of the umbrella (see http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_ id=103atid=300103 for a way to include the members of the sub lists) or default_nonmember_action for the umbrella must be accept (or at least not reject or discard). Similar considerations apply to the sub-lists with respect to the address the sub-list will determine sent the post. The umbrella should be in acceptable_aliases of the sub-lists or they should have require_explicit_destination set to No. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adamski%40graceland .edu Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
We are currently trying to implement mailman lists on our campus. Implementation of normal lists has gone well but when we try to set up an umbrella list it doesn't seem to work. It shows the lists as subscribed to the main list and we've set the privacy options but somewhere we must have something selected or not selected that makes them run properly. Is it possible for you to send a link that would show how both the main list of the umbrella list is set up and also how the sub lists within it are set up? We have a feeling it may be we don't have something chosen correctly. Thank you for your assistance. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Lori Christensen wrote: We are currently trying to implement mailman lists on our campus. Implementation of normal lists has gone well but when we try to set up an umbrella list it doesn't seem to work. It shows the lists as subscribed to the main list and we've set the privacy options but somewhere we must have something selected or not selected that makes them run properly. Is it possible for you to send a link that would show how both the main list of the umbrella list is set up and also how the sub lists within it are set up? We have a feeling it may be we don't have something chosen correctly. It might be easier if you just told us exactly what happens when a post is sent to the umbrella list and exactly what privacy options you have set. Note the following: A post to the umbrella must come from a member of the umbrella list or someone in accept_these_nonmembers of the umbrella (see http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103 for a way to include the members of the sub lists) or default_nonmember_action for the umbrella must be accept (or at least not reject or discard). Similar considerations apply to the sub-lists with respect to the address the sub-list will determine sent the post. The umbrella should be in acceptable_aliases of the sub-lists or they should have require_explicit_destination set to No. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists - mixing lists and subscribers
I have an Umbrella list which has both lists and subscribers as members of the list. The default setting for an Umbrella list is Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, according to setting of previous umbrella_list setting set at -owner This causes a problem when adding in subscribers using the Mass Subscription option and you want the user to Send welcome messages to new subscribees. Those messages are sent out with -owner on their email address so it gets bounced. Is there a better way to handle Umbrella lists? Of course the best way might be to add a new feature in Mailman so you could identify a subscriber's address as a list (say with a separate flag) so it does not send out passwords to that email address. Thanks, paulw -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists - mixing lists and subscribers
Paul Williams wrote: Suffix for use when this list is an umbrella for other lists, according to setting of previous umbrella_list setting set at -owner This causes a problem when adding in subscribers using the Mass Subscription option and you want the user to Send welcome messages to new subscribees. Those messages are sent out with -owner on their email address so it gets bounced. Is there a better way to handle Umbrella lists? Not currently as far as I know. Of course the best way might be to add a new feature in Mailman so you could identify a subscriber's address as a list (say with a separate flag) so it does not send out passwords to that email address. The ToDo/Wishlist at http://www.list.org/todo.html contains the following: # A better strategy is needed for sub-lists and super-lists, including dealing with the resulting password reminders and authorization to modify the sub superlists. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and approved senders
Gary Casterline wrote: We've set up chain of hierarchical lists to accommodate annual groups. Each year we create a list for the new cohorts: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then add the new class-of list to the umbrella list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each list is set to allow postings from subscribers and a small set of approved non-subscribed addresses. I'd like to add these approved addresses to the umbrella list and have messages go through without owner/moderator approval to the sublists. As it is now, we have to add the approved addresses to each sublist. Any suggestions? I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to do, but the patch at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1220144group_id=103atid=300103 may help. This patch allows you to put '@listname' in list_2's accept_these_nonmembers field and then all the members of listname are allowed to post to list_2. If I understand you correctly, you could do the following: Create list_x. No one will post to this list. No general users need to be aware of it. You can set it up per http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp so it is fully moderated and no one can post. You then add all your non-member 'approved' addresses to this list. Then when you create a new [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, you put @list_x in the accept_these_nonmembers field. Thus, all the members of list_x will be allowed to post to any of the [EMAIL PROTECTED] lists, and the special approved posters can be dynamically maintained just by maintaining the membership of list_x. This does require installation of the patch, which may or may not be an issue. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and approved senders
We've set up chain of hierarchical lists to accommodate annual groups. Each year we create a list for the new cohorts: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then add the new class-of list to the umbrella list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each list is set to allow postings from subscribers and a small set of approved non-subscribed addresses. I'd like to add these approved addresses to the umbrella list and have messages go through without owner/moderator approval to the sublists. As it is now, we have to add the approved addresses to each sublist. Any suggestions? Thanks, _Gary -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists and Reply-to issue
Greetings: I have an umbrella list that I can't quite configure exactly the way I want. Here is the situation: List STAFF contains list STUDENTS and list ADMINS Currently, STUDENTS and ADMINS have aliases set so email for STAFF is accepted, which is fine. The problem is that when external email arrives for STAFF and needs to be moderated, it also needs to be moderated by STUDENTS and ADMINS. In practice, I have a much more complex list of lists than this so this is a real nuisance. I have tried setting the Hide Sender option so the email appears to be from a local address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), but this seems to always over-ride any settings in either (or both) of the Strip reply-to and the Where are replies to list messages directed? options. This means that while Hide Sender allows moderated mail posted to STAFF to appear as being from STAFF, it also means the Reply-To's are directed to the STAFF list instead of the poster. So, I want to be able to Hide the Sender, but set the Reply-To to the poster. However, Hide Sender seems to prevent this. Am I doing something wrong or is this a limitation with MailMan? Regards, PH Padraig Houlahan IT Manager Lowell Observatory Flagstaff, AZ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists
Yes, this seems to be the solution, thank you Dan and JC for your posts in response! --Marc July 26, 2005 @ 8:52 AM -- Marc Silverman Web Development and Hosting New York, NY 10023 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://SilverMarc.com Hosting: http://XYZservers.com/hosting -- From: Dan Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:24:21 -0500 To: Marc Silverman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Marc Silverman wrote: That ³Message has implicit destination² has appeared no matter what I¹ve tried, and it is inconvinient to have to go to each of the dozen lists to ³accept² the post. Have you looked at http://your.dom.aim/mailman/admin/test/privacy/ recipient and read the explanation for the first option there? Must posts have list named in destination (to, cc) field (or be among the acceptable alias names, specified below)? That's where the implicit destination error comes from and checking no there should do away with it. Dan From: JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:07:04 -0700 To: Marc Silverman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists If you're running an umbrella list, you may want this message to be accepted by the sub-list. To do that, in the sub-list's admin screen, go to Privacy Options / Recipient Filters / Alias Names, and enter the name of the umbrella list as a valid alias. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists
Forgive me if I didn¹t locate a solution to this I did find some posts about Umbrella Lists, but nothing addressed my problem: I have a dozen mailing lists. I created an Umbrella List to post to all of them. The posts go out, but each separate list Holds the message for Admin Moderation: Reason:Message has implicit destination No matter what I¹ve tried, I cannot get my post to not hit the ³Hold for Admin Moderation² Facts you might want to know: I added each of the dozen list addresses to the umbrella list as subscribers: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. I added the single umbrella list address to each of the dozen lists as a subscriber also. I also added my own address to all the lists because I am sending the emails out from my own email address. That ³Message has implicit destination² has appeared no matter what I¹ve tried, and it is inconvinient to have to go to each of the dozen lists to ³accept² the post. Has anyone come across this problem (and solved it)? Thanks. --Marc July 25, 2005 @ 11:18 PM -- Marc Silverman Web Development and Hosting New York, NY 10023 Phone: (212) 595-5464 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://SilverMarc.com Hosting: http://XYZservers.com/hosting -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists
Marc Silverman wrote: Forgive me if I didn¹t locate a solution to this I did find some posts about Umbrella Lists, but nothing addressed my problem: I have a dozen mailing lists. I created an Umbrella List to post to all of them. The posts go out, but each separate list Holds the message for Admin Moderation: Reason:Message has implicit destination No matter what I¹ve tried, I cannot get my post to not hit the ³Hold for Admin Moderation² Facts you might want to know: Don't need to know anything more than what you have above: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=Message+has+implicit+destinationquerytype=simplecasefold=yesreq=search Finds a FAQ entry which explains this message: 1.9. What does message has implicit destination mean? It means that the address for the list was not found in the To: or CC: headers. Typically this is due to one of a couple reasons: 1) Your list has a different domain name (FQDN) than you think it does, or than was used as the target address of the message. See the second to last entry on the main list configuration page to ensure that you have this set properly. 2) The message was BCC'ed (blind carbon copied) to the list, and was actually not addressed to the list directly (not that you can see). If you're running an umbrella list, you may want this message to be accepted by the sub-list. To do that, in the sub-list's admin screen, go to Privacy Options / Recipient Filters / Alias Names, and enter the name of the umbrella list as a valid alias. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and avoiding duplicates
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! Is there nowadays a good way of avoiding dupes, i.e., multiple posts of the essentially same message to one list? Also, I would like to have some umbrella lists. I have found an old thread in the archives (from April 2001) which proposes syncing the user lists of the umbrella list with the members of the sub-lists. Is this still state of the art or is there a better solution? Kind regards, Peter -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB9yWe3VbrCXkKHhwRAqSnAJ0VrdiER/7mxwJl4gmZVZtCK4GYOwCgrCWL yGZbSu/sHN3zA+CehGWZzJg= =z68N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists and avoiding duplicates
Peter Schneider-Kamp wrote: Is there nowadays a good way of avoiding dupes, i.e., multiple posts of the essentially same message to one list? Not that I know of. Also, I would like to have some umbrella lists. I have found an old thread in the archives (from April 2001) which proposes syncing the user lists of the umbrella list with the members of the sub-lists. Is this still state of the art or is there a better solution? This is pretty much it for Mailman if you want to avoid dups for those who are members of more than 1 sub list. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.005.htp for a couple of scripts that are a little more recent than 2001. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Hi, Is there any way to set up an umbrella list so that the members of the sub-lists can post to each other? Thanks, Alice G. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists
I am currently installing Mailman as a replacement for majordomo. Mostly everything is going smoothly. I have a question regarding umbrella lists. I have 4 real mailing lists and 5 aliases that redirect to some or all of these lists. For the sake of explanation let's call the real lists : A-staff A-vis B-staff B-vis The 5 aliases are (and send to - ) all - A-staff, B-staff, A-vis, B-vis all-staff - A-staff, B-staff all-vis - A-vis, B-vis A-all - A-staff, A-vis B-all - B-staff, B-vis The 4 real lists are all moderated due to increasing spam and forged addresses. The problem: If a message goes to one of the aliases then the message must be moderated at-least twice or at worst four times. I would like to moderate a message once. What solutions are available? Are there solutions entirely within the scope of Mailman? I have instrumented a solution using umbrella lists (for the aliases) and some clever procmail rules, but would like to know what others have done in similar situations. Thanks, Michael Hogsett -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists approvals
I have a mild inconvenience here, and was wondering if there's a simple way around it. For our department, I have setup lists for each class of users (undergraduates, grad students, faculty, etc), and an umbrella list to cover all the users. There are some mails that are sent out to the all users list by 3rd parties (ie, a calendar of upcoming talks in different departments and such), and usually those mails are sent out with each recipient in the BCC field so we never see any recipients; sometimes, however, the person sends them out with each user in the To: field, and the mails get held because of too many recipients. Now, this wouldn't be too big of a deal, except that approving the mail through the web interface on the umbrella list causes 7 mails to come to me and the other list admin, each for the same message but in a different list which is subscribed to the all users list. So I have to approve the same mail 8 times. The web interface doesn't seem to have any decent way around this, but I was wondering if there's some trick I can do? Put the Approved header in the mail twice, so it's removed the first time and used the second time for the sub lists? Maybe adding a check box to the admin database pages that says Approve this mail for sub-lists or something, which might require some extra hacking so that the Approved: header isn't accidentally sent out to a user. Yes, I could be a BOFH and bounce the mails right back to the sender, but I'd rather not be that harsh. The sender is aware of the issue, but everybody makes mistakes now and then : -- Steve Huston - Unix Systems Admin, Dept. of Astrophysical Sciences Princeton University | ICBM Address: 40.346525 -74.651285 126 Peyton Hall |On my ship, the Rocinante, wheeling through Princeton, NJ 08544 | the galaxies; headed for the heart of Cygnus, (609) 258-7375 | headlong into mystery. -Rush, 'Cygnus X-1' -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
We've had probs with nested lists in the past. I think the issue had to do with private lists (ie only members can post) for both the sublist(s) and the umbrella list. If set, how could a member of a sublist post to the umbrella list unless either the umbrella list was unrestricted or the user was also on the umbrella list? As I understand it, an umbrella list should *ONLY* be a list of lists and have no users. But that still wont allow a sublist member from posting to the umbrella, right? So one option we've entertained is to wipe and rebuild superlists each night (ie dump sublist member addresses, wipe and reload them into superlist instead of having nested list). This also makes employee-exit procedures harder (how to find all lists a person is a member. I wrote a script that lists_lists and recursivesly list_members and greps, kinda slow for many lists. OTOH, superlists guarantee someone isn't on two sublists and thus gets two iterations of lists. What have others done on this issue? Another concern is; what happens if someone sends to a superlist during a list rebuild? Is sync_members robust enough to at least always keep one list of addresses around? TIA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- generated by /dev/dave -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David SternUniversity of Maryland Institute for Advanced Computer Studies -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 10:14, Dave Stern - Former Rocket Scientist wrote: We've had probs with nested lists in the past. I think the issue had to do with private lists (ie only members can post) for both the sublist(s) and the umbrella list. If set, how could a member of a sublist post to the umbrella list unless either the umbrella list was unrestricted or the user was also on the umbrella list? A user does not have to be a member of a list to post. Posting privileges can be added either individually or via a regular expression. I generally go the route of hourly sync's to do master lists formed from sub-lists, so that isn't a problem I deal with regularly. As I understand it, an umbrella list should *ONLY* be a list of lists and have no users. But that still wont allow a sublist member from posting to the umbrella, right? So one option we've entertained is to wipe and rebuild superlists each night (ie dump sublist member addresses, wipe and reload them into superlist instead of having nested list). This also makes employee-exit procedures harder (how to find all lists a person is a member. Nope. Look at the remove_members command in Mailman. --fromall Removes the given addresses from all the lists on this system regardless of virtual domains if you have any. This option cannot be used with -a/--all. Also, you should not specify a listname when using this option. I wrote a script that lists_lists and recursivesly list_members and greps, kinda slow for many lists. OTOH, superlists guarantee someone isn't on two sublists and thus gets two iterations of lists. You also might want to look at the find_member command. What have others done on this issue? Another concern is; what happens if someone sends to a superlist during a list rebuild? Is sync_members robust enough to at least always keep one list of addresses around? No problems. Lists are locked during changes, so the sent email will simply be queued until the lock is removed. Hope that's helpful - Jon Carnes -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Hi, I've read in the mail archive about some problems people have had creating umbrella lists. So I wanted to just check and make sure I'm doing this the right way before I make a mess on my own server! I work at a school and I have a list of parents at each grade level for the teachers to use. The principal now wants to send out a message to all parents, and while he could do it by mailing each of the lists separately, an umbrella list seems like the way he can mail just one address and all the lists would get mailed. FAQ entry 3.5 talks about some aspects of this, but is the basic process this: 1. Use ./newlist to make the umbrella list. 2. Add new list info to /etc/aliases; run newaliases. 3. Add as members of the list the names of the other lists that need to be mailed when this umbrella name is sent to. I've read how some suggest using a script to sync members, but at this point I don't really care if people receive duplicate messages because they're on more than one of those sublists. Will there be any confusion among the users other than those duplicate messages they may get? I don't send out password reminders. Thanks, Allan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Sounds like you will be fine! An umbrella list is meant for you. Do test it out with some test lists first. You'll need to alert the sub-lists that they may get a message that says it's to Master List Name, and the sub-lists will need to accept that message as though it were sent directly to the list. Beyond that, I don't think there are any other gotcha's. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 11:22, Allan Trick wrote: Hi, I've read in the mail archive about some problems people have had creating umbrella lists. So I wanted to just check and make sure I'm doing this the right way before I make a mess on my own server! I work at a school and I have a list of parents at each grade level for the teachers to use. The principal now wants to send out a message to all parents, and while he could do it by mailing each of the lists separately, an umbrella list seems like the way he can mail just one address and all the lists would get mailed. FAQ entry 3.5 talks about some aspects of this, but is the basic process this: 1. Use ./newlist to make the umbrella list. 2. Add new list info to /etc/aliases; run newaliases. 3. Add as members of the list the names of the other lists that need to be mailed when this umbrella name is sent to. I've read how some suggest using a script to sync members, but at this point I don't really care if people receive duplicate messages because they're on more than one of those sublists. Will there be any confusion among the users other than those duplicate messages they may get? I don't send out password reminders. Thanks, Allan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists: problems when unsubscribing
Hello! Need some help with umbrella lists (I think it was discussed earlier in the list but it is not covered in the umbrella faq): For example I have an umbrella list U, which has members - the email addresses of other lists - A, B, C. I configured A, B, C to receive mail from U without moderation (privacy options), so everything works ok. Now consider some userA, who is a member of A sublist, wants to unsubscribe, so he sends mail with subj=unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and gets a response that he is not a member of U!!! This problem can be solved by providing the necessary email addresses in the footers of every sublist: footer of A Unsubscribe address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] footer of U empty but it is inconvenient when there are many sublists (10), and besides it's better for userA to assume he is a member of U. So any suggestions? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists: problems when unsubscribing
We've discussed this on the list before as well. The key is to replace the -unsubscribe alias with a script that finds the email address in one of the sublists and then either unsubscribe them from the sublist, or sends them back a URL that points to the web-based unsubscribe for the user. Something like this: We recieved an unsubscribe request from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/[EMAIL PROTECTED] === You could also simply have the script find the proper sublist and then forward the unsubscribe message onto that sublist The archives contain some samples for generating email activated scripts and commands. Good Luck - Jon Carnes BTW: I also recommend that you edit the listinfo webpage for the Master list so that it points users to the individual sublists (should they need to edit their settings). This works easily for Umbrella lists that are separated out using some logical identifiable parameter like the first letter of the email address or the department of an organization. On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 15:19, Rostyk Ivantsiv wrote: Hello! Need some help with umbrella lists (I think it was discussed earlier in the list but it is not covered in the umbrella faq): For example I have an umbrella list U, which has members - the email addresses of other lists - A, B, C. I configured A, B, C to receive mail from U without moderation (privacy options), so everything works ok. Now consider some userA, who is a member of A sublist, wants to unsubscribe, so he sends mail with subj=unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and gets a response that he is not a member of U!!! This problem can be solved by providing the necessary email addresses in the footers of every sublist: footer of A Unsubscribe address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] footer of U empty but it is inconvenient when there are many sublists (10), and besides it's better for userA to assume he is a member of U. So any suggestions? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Version 2.0.x won't de-dup. Read the FAQ entry: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.005.htp Good luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 15:03, Sandy Hansen wrote: Here's a query probably addressed in documentation, but there is so much documentation to plow through, thought a quick query might be a more efficient use of my limited time. I have installed seven Mailman lists on a website I maintain. If I set up an umbrella list, will it de-dup names, since I have a group which is automatically subscribed to ALL of these little-used lists? I'd love to send a message to all lists, but don't want people to receive it seven times. Thanks, -- Sandy Hansen Website Administrator AAUW of California -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
Here's a query probably addressed in documentation, but there is so much documentation to plow through, thought a quick query might be a more efficient use of my limited time. I have installed seven Mailman lists on a website I maintain. If I set up an umbrella list, will it de-dup names, since I have a group which is automatically subscribed to ALL of these little-used lists? I'd love to send a message to all lists, but don't want people to receive it seven times. Thanks, -- Sandy Hansen Website Administrator AAUW of California -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
SW == Sarah Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SW As far as I can tell, Mailman does not have proper support for SW umbrella lists. FWIW, I don't like the design of the current umbrella list feature. I believe I know the way to do such things better, but it will have to wait until after MM2.1. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella lists
As far as I can tell, Mailman does not have proper support for umbrella lists. We have a need for lists that are aggregations of other lists. EG: all_general_staff might look like: :include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept1_staff :include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept2_staff :include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept3_staff :include:/packages/majordomo/lists/dept4_staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /majordomo A staff member might be a member of both dept1_staff and dept2_staff. How do we prevent them from receiving two emails, while having [all_general_staff] prepended to the subject line? If this has not been done, can you add it to the wishlist, and we could possibly pitch in as there are several python programmers here. -- Mrs Sarah Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information Technology Services Bld 17 Level 2 The University of WollongongPh: +61 2 4221 3775 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists
I don't quite understand how to do an umbrella list. I I have 3 lists ListA ListB and ListC I have another list ListABC that sends to the other three lists. I want to be able to send to ListABC - but when I do - the message gets moderated. And I can't seem to get past that even though I'm running the system open. Anyone know how to fix that? -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Umbrella Lists
I can't seem to find documentation on this. I have 3 lists ListA ListB and ListC Now I want to make an umbrella list - ListABC I want it so that only members of ListA - ListB and ListC can send to ListABC How do I do that? -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
