[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe functionality and Apple Mail

[André-John Mas]

Hi,

I am not sure if this is the best place to ask, but I am noticing that 
depending on the
mailman server I am subscribed to, Apple Mail shows me an 'unsubscribe' button,
while for others it doesn't.

One such mailing list where I don't get the unsubscribe button is 
macports-us...@lists.macports.org,
so I am trying to establish whether the behavioural issue is coming from? Is it 
from a header
issue in the email or a mis-handling by Apple Mail. BTW there does appear to be 
a "List-Unsubscribe"
header from what I can see, though I don't know enough to know if it is as 
expected.

I am using Apple Mail 16.0 on macOS 12.3.1. Their mailman server is 2.1.29.

Thanks

Andre


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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe actions

[edi...@visionscience.com]

I have run a Mailman list for many years.
Recently I have begun to receive occasional large (~30) batches of messages 
with the content:

> xxx has been removed from yyy
where xxx is the address of a subscriber and yyy is the name of my list.

In addition, the subject line, as seen in Apple Mail in the list of message, is 
“A Matter of Taste”
That subject line does not appear in the message or the headers when I open it.

No other information is provided as to why the member has been unsubscribed, 
but the fact that they arrive in batches suggests that it is not the subscriber 
that is unsubscribing.

The total number of subscribers is, in fact, declining.

Could anyone explain what is happening, tell me how to stop it, or point me to 
the relevant FAQ?

Thanks!

Andrew
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe emails - saved anywhere?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 6/12/18 8:33 AM, Andy Cravens wrote:
> Using mailman 2.1.26.  When someone sends an unsubscribe email to a mailman 
> server, does that email get saved anywhere after it is processed?


No.

If you want them saved, you may be able to configure the MTA to save them.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe emails - saved anywhere?

[Andy Cravens]

Using mailman 2.1.26.  When someone sends an unsubscribe email to a mailman 
server, does that email get saved anywhere after it is processed?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link

[Richard Damon]

The issue is that programmatically adding content to an HTML section is
problematic, as you need to parse and build up a rendering of the
content to figure out where you need to add the ew content. Just adding
it at the end can often end up with strange results.

On 5/30/18 6:44 AM, nikos wrote:
> Hello list.
>
> Christian unfortunately didn't work...
> Mark It have to be html message for commercial reasons.
>
> Thank you all for your answers.
>  
>
> On 29/05/2018 7:24 μμ, Christian F Buser wrote:
>> Hello nikos. On Tue, 29 May 2018 16:49:13 +0300, you wrote:
>>
>>>Is possible to insert somehow a unsubscribe link inside the message
>>>instead in footer?
>>>
>>>After many tries I manage to put a direct link in footer, setting Full
>>>Personalization ON first. The problem is that Outlook attach footer and
>>>most users ignore it. So it could be useful to putt a link inside 
>>>message.
>> I am not sure - but when I was young, I learnt that the standard separator 
>> for a footer in internet mail is "-- " (without the quotes, of course). 
>>
>> Try changing that to - for example - "" or 
>> "" and look how Outlook treats it then. 
>>
>> Christian 
>>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link

[nikos]

Hello list.

Christian unfortunately didn't work...
Mark It have to be html message for commercial reasons.

Thank you all for your answers.
 

On 29/05/2018 7:24 μμ, Christian F Buser wrote:
> Hello nikos. On Tue, 29 May 2018 16:49:13 +0300, you wrote:
>
>>Is possible to insert somehow a unsubscribe link inside the message
>>instead in footer?
>>
>>After many tries I manage to put a direct link in footer, setting Full
>>Personalization ON first. The problem is that Outlook attach footer and
>>most users ignore it. So it could be useful to putt a link inside 
>>message.
> I am not sure - but when I was young, I learnt that the standard separator 
> for a footer in internet mail is "-- " (without the quotes, of course). 
>
> Try changing that to - for example - "" or 
> "" and look how Outlook treats it then. 
>
> Christian 
>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/29/2018 06:49 AM, nikos wrote:
>Hello list.
> 
>Is possible to insert somehow a unsubscribe link inside the message
>instead in footer?


There is no way short of modifying code to insert personalized
information in the body of a message.

There are ways to ensure the footer is appended to the message body
rather than added as a separate MIME part (attachment), but this
involves setting content filtering to reduce the message to a single
text/plain part or setting scrub_nondigest to Yes. See the wiki page at
 and the "(Details for
scrub_nondigest)" link on the admin Non-digest options page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link

[specktator]

Nick, I've tried that too. I don't think there's a way ... or at least I 
haven't found it yet



On 29/05/2018 04:49 μμ, nikos wrote:

Hello list.

Is possible to insert somehow a unsubscribe link inside the message
instead in footer?

After many tries I manage to put a direct link in footer, setting Full
Personalization ON first. The problem is that Outlook attach footer and
most users ignore it. So it could be useful to putt a link inside message.

I use version 2.1.12 on Centos 6.

Thank you in advance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link

[Christian F Buser via Mailman-Users]

Hello nikos. On Tue, 29 May 2018 16:49:13 +0300, you wrote:

>Is possible to insert somehow a unsubscribe link inside the message
>instead in footer?
> 
>After many tries I manage to put a direct link in footer, setting Full
>Personalization ON first. The problem is that Outlook attach footer and
>most users ignore it. So it could be useful to putt a link inside 
>message.

I am not sure - but when I was young, I learnt that the standard separator for 
a footer in internet mail is "-- " (without the quotes, of course). 

Try changing that to - for example - "" or 
"" and look how Outlook treats it then. 

Christian 

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link

[nikos]

   Hello list.

   Is possible to insert somehow a unsubscribe link inside the message
   instead in footer?

   After many tries I manage to put a direct link in footer, setting Full
   Personalization ON first. The problem is that Outlook attach footer and
   most users ignore it. So it could be useful to putt a link inside message.

   I use version 2.1.12 on Centos 6.

   Thank you in advance
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe(ban) users via e-mail

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/26/2017 06:53 AM, Zalezny Niezalezny wrote:
> 
> does admin is able to unsubscribe some annoing users without using Mailman
> Webpanel ?
> 
> For example, by sending some command on the mailing list address ?


It can be done by email command, but you need to know the users list
password to avoid requiring confirmation. I.e. send

unsubscribe users_password address=u...@example.com

to the list's -request address.

There are also command line tools (see
) such as bin/remove_members, but they
require command line access to the Mailman server and appropriate access.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe(ban) users via e-mail

[Zalezny Niezalezny]

Hi,

does admin is able to unsubscribe some annoing users without using Mailman
Webpanel ?

For example, by sending some command on the mailing list address ?

Thanks in advance for any hints.


Cheers

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe line missing

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/16/2017 09:53 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> 
> Besides the MUA issue, it's possible that the "no notice" subscribers
> are subscribing to the digest, I think.  If they have a reasonably
> smart MUA it can treat the digest as a folder and display the messages
> individually.  In that case the subscriber probably won't see the
> footer, which I believe is attached at the bottom of the digest, not
> at the bottom of each message in the digest.  (Mark, can you confirm?)


There are a few things going on depending on digest format. In a MIME
format digest the boiler plate, the digest_header, the TOC, the
individual messages and the digest_footer are all separate MIME parts.

In the RFC 1153 compliant plain text digest (beginning in MM 2.1.15),
the digest_footer is added as a separate message with Subject: Digest
Footer, so it should be visible in an exploded digest.

However, all this is moot as digest headers and footers cannot be
personalized so it is not possible to put a "one click" unsubscribe link
in either format of digest.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe line missing

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:
 > On 03/14/2017 02:10 AM, Bill Healy wrote:
 > > 
 > > Some members are reporting that the one click unsubscribe notice
 > > at the end of emails is not there and that they have to write individually
 > > to the list moderator to have their email removed. On the other hand, it is
 > > obvious that some members are successfully using the one click unsubscribe.
 > > 
 > > Is there an explanation for this? Can anything be done about it?
 > 
 > 
 > See 

Besides the MUA issue, it's possible that the "no notice" subscribers
are subscribing to the digest, I think.  If they have a reasonably
smart MUA it can treat the digest as a folder and display the messages
individually.  In that case the subscriber probably won't see the
footer, which I believe is attached at the bottom of the digest, not
at the bottom of each message in the digest.  (Mark, can you confirm?)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe line missing

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/14/2017 02:10 AM, Bill Healy wrote:
> 
> Some members are reporting that the one click unsubscribe notice
> at the end of emails is not there and that they have to write individually
> to the list moderator to have their email removed. On the other hand, it is
> obvious that some members are successfully using the one click unsubscribe.
> 
> Is there an explanation for this? Can anything be done about it?


See 

Note that instead of writing to some moderator's address or to
LISTNAME-owner@..., they can just write to LISTNAME-leave@... or
LISTNAME-unsubscribe@... to unsubscribe themselves.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe line missing

[Bill Healy]

Hi everyone,

We are very new users of Mailman. Version 2.1.23

Our mailing list is made up of schools. Responsibilities within schools
change frequently so list members need to unsubscribe when someone takes
their job. Some members are reporting that the one click unsubscribe notice
at the end of emails is not there and that they have to write individually
to the list moderator to have their email removed. On the other hand, it is
obvious that some members are successfully using the one click unsubscribe.

Is there an explanation for this? Can anything be done about it?

Thanks in advance for any advice.


Bill Healy
CEO
Kilbaha Multimedia Publishing (Est. 1978)
Melbourne
Australia
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe

[Robert Susmilch]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/08/2014 01:14 PM, Greg Sims wrote:
> 
> It appears that
> Posting:
> 
> http:///mailman/subscribe/
> with:
> email => 
> fullname => 
> email-button => "Subscribe"

> 
> always returns the contents of the file "subscribe.html" even in the
> presence
> of an invalid address like 'foo'.


Have you modified this template? The standard template contains the tag



which is replaced by an informative message.


> Posting:
> 
> http:///mailman/options/
> with:
> email => 
> login-unsub => "Unsubscribe"
> 
> always returns the string "The confirmation email has been sent.".
...
> I need to find a way to Post a CGI to Unsubscribe that tells my code if the
> EMAIL_ADDRESS is subscribed to the list and if a validation email was
> actually
> sent.


As Richard indicated in another reply, if the membership roster is not
public, the responses are generic to prevent using the (un)subscribe
processes to fish for membership. Set the list's Privacy options... ->
Subscription rules -> private_roster to Anyone and you will get more
specific messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Richard Damon]

Mailman tries (and I think succeeds) at not letting an outsider know who 
is subscribed to a list (unless the list publishes its member list, then 
that list will reveal those who don't hide their email address.)


If you want to help someone unsubscribe without them needing to use the 
confirmation email, you should first validate that the email address is 
theirs (maybe through having your own account system where they have 
confirmed that the email address is theirs), then, using the admin 
password, check the membership list for the email, and then you can use 
the web form to unsubscribe them, again using the admin password.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Greg Sims]

>> (2) It appears that the Subscription sequence always returns the contents
>> of the file "subscribe.html".  Is this in fact always the case?  I tried
to
>> subscribe to email address "foo" and did not receive an error -- even
>> though this is not a valid email address.  I suppose I could validate the
>> email address format with my PHP code and provide user feedback.


>If you post an address like 'foo' to the subscribe CGI, you should get a
>result like

>Listname Subscription results
>The email address you supplied is not valid. (E.g. it must contain an `@'.)

>The validation is somewhat primitive and syntactic only, but it should
>refuse to subscribe a syntactically valid address.

>Did 'foo' actually get added to your list?

'foo' did not get added to the list as there is no way to for the system to
send a
validation email and get a response from the user.   It appears that
Posting:

http:///mailman/subscribe/
with:
email => 
fullname => 
email-button => "Subscribe"

always returns the contents of the file "subscribe.html" even in the
presence
of an invalid address like 'foo'.  This is easy for me to work around as I
simply
check that EMAIL_ADDRESS has a valid format before Posting.  My Subscribe
code is working well for both normal and error cases.


>> (3) It appears the Unsubscribe sequence I created allows for anyone to
>> unsubscribe anyone else -- all they need to know is an email address that
>> is subscribed to the list.

>This is exactly why Mailman does not allow unsubscribes without
>authentication or confirmation.

I am now a believer that validating Unsubscribe through the user's email is
the
correct approach for my application.  I have code that works for the normal
Unsubscribe case but am having problems with the error cases.

Posting:

http:///mailman/options/
with:
email => 
login-unsub => "Unsubscribe"

always returns the string "The confirmation email has been sent.".  This is
true
even when the email address is not subscribed to the list -- this will
likely be the
case if the user mistypes their email address.

I did another test that was even more confusing.  I entered a valid email
address
that was not subscribed to the list.  In this case the string "The
confirmation email
has been sent." was received by my code consistent with what I said above.
The
reality is the unsubscribe validation email is never sent in this case.
This would
be very confusing for the user and will likely result in an "I Need Help
Unsubscribing!"
email to our webmaster.

I need to find a way to Post a CGI to Unsubscribe that tells my code if the
EMAIL_ADDRESS is subscribed to the list and if a validation email was
actually
sent.  I tried to Post:

http:///mailman/options/
with:
email => 
email-button => "Unsubscribe"

this does not seem to work for the normal path.

I feel like we are getting close.  The good news is my solution is only 50
lines of code
including the Subscribe / Unsubscribe  on a single page.  It might
be interesting
to others if we can get this last piece sorted out.

Thanks again Mark!  Greg
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/07/2014 03:28 PM, Greg Sims wrote:
> 
> Subscribe / Unsubscribe works well for the normal case thanks to your help.
> 
> (1) When I Unsubscribe an email address that does not exist, the result of
> Posting the form is:
> 
> 
> Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12
...
> The error log is:
...
> admin(385): raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member
> 
> admin(385): NotAMemberError: x...@y.com
> The backtrace ends in a "NotAMemberError" which is exactly what happened.
> The "result" from the POST seems to be a bit off.  I need to determine the
> difference between success and failure looking the the result of the POST.
>  "we hit a bug!" is kind of a funny thing to match against.


Actually, this is a real bug. It is unlikely to occur in practice, but
it can happen if you visit the options page for a user and unsubscribe
and between retrieving the options page and unsubscribing, the user is
unsubscribed by another process, or more likely, you visit the options
page, unsubscribe and then use the browser's back button to go back and
unsubscribe again.

I will fix it.


> (2) It appears that the Subscription sequence always returns the contents
> of the file "subscribe.html".  Is this in fact always the case?  I tried to
> subscribe to email address "foo" and did not receive an error -- even
> though this is not a valid email address.  I suppose I could validate the
> email address format with my PHP code and provide user feedback.


If you post an address like 'foo' to the subscribe CGI, you should get a
result like

Listname Subscription results
The email address you supplied is not valid. (E.g. it must contain an `@'.)

The validation is somewhat primitive and syntactic only, but it should
refuse to subscribe a syntactically valid address.

Did 'foo' actually get added to your list?


> (3) It appears the Unsubscribe sequence I created allows for anyone to
> unsubscribe anyone else -- all they need to know is an email address that
> is subscribed to the list.


This is exactly why Mailman does not allow unsubscribes without
authentication or confirmation.


> This is as a result of using the list admin
> password in my PHP code.  I wish there was a way to pass the email address
> and password of the subscriber from a non-digest email to my PHP code via
> POST.  I tried turning personalization on.  It does not seem to be possible
> to place a  in the footer (or header?) of the email.  It also appears
> that mailman does not replace symbols in the body of an email.  This led me
> to believe the only way to accomplish passing the email address and
> password via POST is by writing a custom mailman filter that replaces the
> symbols -- likely in the body of an email.


But, unless you actually get the list password from the user, how can
you know that it is the actual user that submitted the request. Either
the user has to provide authentication or you have to do email
confirmation. Otherwise, anyone can unsubscribe anyone.


> It there a simple way to get the subscribers password (and email address
> but less important) via POST from a non-digest email to my PHP code?  This
> ensures that someone using my Web Form can only unsubscribe the email
> address of a mailman email they received (or have access to).


I don't understand. If you mean you want to send the user's password to
the user in each non-digest list mail, if the list is personalized, the
string %(user_password)s in either msg_header or msg_footer will be
replaced by the user's password.

You can even craft a one-click unsubscribe link with something like

%(user_optionsurl)?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=%(user_password)s

but any of that is a really bad idea. Sophisticated user's don't like to
see their passwords mailed in plain text, and unsophisticated users
reply to and forward list messages without removing things like
unsubscribe links specific to them.


> (4) When I get this all sorted out, would you like me to write it up for a
> FAQ or something?  I would be happy to do this if you believe it is
> worthwhile.


It might be. It depends on what you arrive at.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Greg Sims]

Hey Mark,

Subscribe / Unsubscribe works well for the normal case thanks to your help.

(1) When I Unsubscribe an email address that does not exist, the result of
Posting the form is:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12

We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of
traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but
the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs.

-

The error log is:

Nov 07 16:41:51 2014 admin(385):


admin(385): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.12 -]

admin(385): [- Traceback --]

admin(385): Traceback (most recent call last):

admin(385):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main

admin(385): main()

admin(385):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 495, in
main

admin(385): user, 'via the member options page', userack=1)

admin(385):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1007, in
DeleteMember

admin(385): self.ApprovedDeleteMember(name, whence, admin_notif,
userack)

admin(385):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1023, in
ApprovedDeleteMember

admin(385): self.removeMember(emailaddr)

admin(385):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line
221, in removeMember

admin(385): self.__assertIsMember(member)

admin(385):   File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line
114, in __assertIsMember

admin(385): raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member

admin(385): NotAMemberError: x...@y.com
The backtrace ends in a "NotAMemberError" which is exactly what happened.
The "result" from the POST seems to be a bit off.  I need to determine the
difference between success and failure looking the the result of the POST.
 "we hit a bug!" is kind of a funny thing to match against.

(2) It appears that the Subscription sequence always returns the contents
of the file "subscribe.html".  Is this in fact always the case?  I tried to
subscribe to email address "foo" and did not receive an error -- even
though this is not a valid email address.  I suppose I could validate the
email address format with my PHP code and provide user feedback.

(3) It appears the Unsubscribe sequence I created allows for anyone to
unsubscribe anyone else -- all they need to know is an email address that
is subscribed to the list.  This is as a result of using the list admin
password in my PHP code.  I wish there was a way to pass the email address
and password of the subscriber from a non-digest email to my PHP code via
POST.  I tried turning personalization on.  It does not seem to be possible
to place a  in the footer (or header?) of the email.  It also appears
that mailman does not replace symbols in the body of an email.  This led me
to believe the only way to accomplish passing the email address and
password via POST is by writing a custom mailman filter that replaces the
symbols -- likely in the body of an email.

It there a simple way to get the subscribers password (and email address
but less important) via POST from a non-digest email to my PHP code?  This
ensures that someone using my Web Form can only unsubscribe the email
address of a mailman email they received (or have access to).

(4) When I get this all sorted out, would you like me to write it up for a
FAQ or something?  I would be happy to do this if you believe it is
worthwhile.

Thanks Mark!  Greg
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Richard Damon]

I have been slowly working on a somewhat similar project. My thoughts on 
unsubscribing is to have the module know the admin password for the 
site, and use that to post into the mailman admin web form an 
unsubscribe request via curl.


On 11/6/14, 12:42 PM, Greg Sims wrote:

Hi Mark,

We are making good progress on our project thanks to your help a couple of
weeks ago.  The Subscribe portion of the process is working and the text is
being translated into Chinese.

I'm struggling with the Unsubscribe portion of the project.  I extended the
webform but can't get it to work.  My goal is for our users to use the same
web page to subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list with a minimum
number of interactions.  I understand the need for the two stage
subscription process with email confirmation -- this is required (and
working).  I would like the Unsubscribe to be one click and done.

http://www.raystedman.org/daily-devotions/chinese-subscription


Please note the user has no idea they have a system generated password --
this is as it should be to keep things simple.  Most of our users are older
and only have the skills to deal with minimal user complexity.  We need to
keep things simple as a result.

Thanks in advance for your help, Greg

PS.  I looked at the Drupal extension for Mailman.  It carries too much
overhead for large size lists.  We already have a mailman list with 10,000
users and hope to double this number next year.  We can't afford to have a
Drupal user account for each of these users.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Mark Sapiro]

On 11/06/2014 09:42 AM, Greg Sims wrote:
> 
> I'm struggling with the Unsubscribe portion of the project.  I extended the
> webform but can't get it to work.  My goal is for our users to use the same
> web page to subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list with a minimum
> number of interactions.  I understand the need for the two stage
> subscription process with email confirmation -- this is required (and
> working).  I would like the Unsubscribe to be one click and done.
> 
> http://www.raystedman.org/daily-devotions/chinese-subscription


If you want immediate unsubscribe without confirmation, you need to
provide either the user's list password or the list admin password as
the value of the 'password' item in the form data.

Given what you are doing, you could just add



to the form, but this is a really bad idea as anyone can do what I did
and see this in the source of the page which exposes the list admin
password to the world.

A better idea is to post just the email address to your own script which
if invoked directly just displays some 'result' HTML and have that
script post to the options page or post to a list admin page to do the
unsubscribe. That way, you script can know the list admin password
without exposing it.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Using Web Form

[Greg Sims]

Hi Mark,

We are making good progress on our project thanks to your help a couple of
weeks ago.  The Subscribe portion of the process is working and the text is
being translated into Chinese.

I'm struggling with the Unsubscribe portion of the project.  I extended the
webform but can't get it to work.  My goal is for our users to use the same
web page to subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list with a minimum
number of interactions.  I understand the need for the two stage
subscription process with email confirmation -- this is required (and
working).  I would like the Unsubscribe to be one click and done.

http://www.raystedman.org/daily-devotions/chinese-subscription


Please note the user has no idea they have a system generated password --
this is as it should be to keep things simple.  Most of our users are older
and only have the skills to deal with minimal user complexity.  We need to
keep things simple as a result.

Thanks in advance for your help, Greg

PS.  I looked at the Drupal extension for Mailman.  It carries too much
overhead for large size lists.  We already have a mailman list with 10,000
users and hope to double this number next year.  We can't afford to have a
Drupal user account for each of these users.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe footer?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/09/2014 08:03 AM, James Nightly wrote:
> Somehow I managed to remove unsubscribe footer in my mailing list. Is
> it possible to append to all lists instructions on how to unsubscribe?
> I'm hoping subscribers can send 'remove' email to an address and get
> removed from the list automatically.


You can put things like

Unsubscribe: 

and

Unsubscribe: <%(web_page_url)s/options/%(list_name)s>

in Non-digest options - msg_footer and Digest options - digest_footer.

Potential issues with this are:

1. These things are included in text/plain message parts and may or may
not render as 'clickable links' depending on the user's mail client.

2. Due to forwarding and other issues, the users may not receive list
mail at their subscribed address and may not even know it.

3. Either mailing the -unsubscribe address or going to the options URL,
filling in one's email address and clicking unsubscribe results in a
confirmation email being sent to the user which requires a affirmative
action before the user is actually unsubscribed.

If the list is personalized, you can put in msg_footer things like

Unsubscribe: <%(user_optionsurl)s?login-unsub=1>

to avoid issue 2, or even

Unsubscribe: <%(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)s&login-unsub=1>

(all on one line)

to avoid both 2 and 3, although including the user's password in this
footer is generally a bad idea both because users will complain about
their list password being emailed in plain text and users will not
remove the quoted link when forwarding or replying, thus exposing their
passwords.

Note you can't put the personalizations in digest_footer because digests
are never personalized.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe footer?

[James Nightly]

Somehow I managed to remove unsubscribe footer in my mailing list. Is
it possible to append to all lists instructions on how to unsubscribe?
I'm hoping subscribers can send 'remove' email to an address and get
removed from the list automatically.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe

[Frank Murphy]

On Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:08:04 +0100
"Adrien Collins"  wrote:


Look at the email footer

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe

[Adrien Collins]

Regards

Adrien


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe queue resend to patron after the email was subscribed

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:

 > Your patron requested unsubscribe and answered the confirmation on Mar 1
 > and was then removed from the list. Subsequently on May 6 the patron
 > replied again to the original May 1 confirmation email which was still
 > in his/her mailbox. This time the confirmation token had expired and
 > that was reported back to the patron.

[Be careful, Mark.  It's true in my experience that in most cases like
this it's due to some action by the subscriber, but let's not start by
blaming the victim.]

As Mark explained, there is no need for administrative action, because
Mailman only sends these messages only in response to a mail being
received.  If the subscriber doesn't send another confirmation, there
shouldn't be any more responses.

While Mailman didn't queue or resend, there are several possibilities
for mail system failure outside of Mailman that could cause this.
It's not necessarily the case that the user sent more than one
response, and it's possible that the mail that triggered the response
was injected into the mail system months ago.  In that case, it could
recur, but it's a problem elsewhere in the mail system that you should
investigate; you may be losing mail.  You should be concerned, since
your post to mailman-users was also delayed unreasonably long.

In order to do more than speculate, we need to see the headers, not
the content, of the error mail received by the user.  Without looking
at those headers, the most we can say, as Mark said, is that
statistically the most likely explanation is that the user confirmed
twice.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe queue resend to patron after the email was subscribed

[Mark Sapiro]

On 06/10/2013 03:17 PM, Hung Phan wrote:
> 
> Previously, we set our mailing list to do 2-steps unsubscribe (email
> confirmation). We have a patron, who was unsubscribe from our mailing
> list on Mar 1st. The subscribe log has the entry (delete
> t...@web-ster.com; email confirmed). On May 6th, the patron then
> received an email states that the unsubscribe didn't go through due
> to invalid confirmation string. We search the list and couldn't find
> the patron listed anymore. How do we check and clear pending queues
> so patrons wont receive these notices again?


Your patron requested unsubscribe and answered the confirmation on Mar 1
and was then removed from the list. Subsequently on May 6 the patron
replied again to the original May 1 confirmation email which was still
in his/her mailbox. This time the confirmation token had expired and
that was reported back to the patron.

Mailman didn't queue or resend anything.

Also, I'm sure it's not relevant to this issue, but your post to
mailman-users was stuck in a gmail server for over 4 days.

Received: by mail-pa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id bi5so1209161pad.4
for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:32:15 -0700 (PDT)
[...]
Received: from [10.30.163.42] (host-198-236-7-20.canby.k12.or.us.
[198.236.7.20])
by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id nt6sm11806639pbb.4.2013.06.10.15.17.52
for 
(version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128);
Mon, 10 Jun 2013 15:17:53 -0700 (PDT)

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe queue resend to patron after the email was subscribed

[Hung Phan]

Hello,

Previously, we set our mailing list to do 2-steps unsubscribe (email 
confirmation). We have a patron, who was unsubscribe from our mailing list on 
Mar 1st. The subscribe log has the entry (delete t...@web-ster.com; email 
confirmed). On May 6th, the patron then received an email states that the 
unsubscribe didn't go through due to invalid confirmation string. We search the 
list and couldn't find the patron listed anymore. How do we check and clear 
pending queues so patrons wont receive these notices again? 

Thank you,


Here is the bounce email message:

The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your
original message.

- Results:
   Invalid confirmation string.  Note that confirmation strings expire
approximately 3 days after the initial subscription request.  If your
confirmation has expired, please try to re-submit your original request or
message.

- Unprocessed:
   RE: Your confirmation is required to leave the CSD_parents mailing list
   Remove from this mailing list plz.
   -Original Message-
   From:

csd_parents-confirm+64c6698239b5f1f3cc281ed426738364ff3e7bdd@mailman.canby.k
   12.or.us

[mailto:csd_parents-confirm+64c6698239b5f1f3cc281ed426738364ff3e7bdd@mailman
   .canby.k12.or.us] 
   Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 1:31 PM
   To: t...@web-ster.com
   Subject: Your confirmation is required to leave the CSD_parents mailing
list
   Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list CSD_parents
   We have received a request for the removal of your email address,
   "t...@web-ster.com" from the csd_pare...@mailman.canby.k12.or.us
   mailing list.  To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing
   list, simply reply to this message, keeping the Subject:
   header intact.  Or visit this web page:

http://mailman.canby.k12.or.us/mailman/confirm/csd_parents/64c6698239b5f1f3c
   c281ed426738364ff3e7bdd

- Ignored:
   Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
message
   to csd_parents-requ...@mailman.canby.k12.or.us:

   confirm 64c6698239b5f1f3cc281ed426738364ff3e7bdd

   Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from most
   mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the right
form
   (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe problem

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Brian Canty writes:

 > I have removed all my subscribers from a list, but 2 of them will not
 > unsubscribe.  Does anyone know of any way I can get to the raw
 > subscription list and manually remove them?

Membership management | mass remove from that list's admin page?  Or
is that what you've already done and somehow they don't disappear?

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe problem

[Brian Canty]

I have removed all my subscribers from a list, but 2 of them will not
unsubscribe.  Does anyone know of any way I can get to the raw
subscription list and manually remove them?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Brian Canty

Manager, Computer Information Services

American Psychoanalytic Association

(212) 752-0450 x17

 

www.apsa.org

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe one user from many lists

[Rafael Lang]

Hi Mark,

doh - a simple typo on my end, you're right! So I now use wget for both 
(batch) subscription and unsubscription, this works like a charm.


Very nice. Thank you very much!

Cheers,
Rafael



On 05/16/2012 02:47 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Rafael Lang wrote:


Now, I'm not super sure I got the command
line right, this is what I tried:

wget --post-data="adminpw=foobar&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu"
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove

and I also tried to directly enter

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove?adminpw=foobar&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

into my browser. In both cases what I got back was:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.


and now I'm lost :-\ Can somebody help me? How can I unsubscribe a given
user from a couple of mailing lists at the same time without having to
go through the clumsy web interface for each of the mailing lists?



It appears that you don't have command line access to Mailman, so the
obvious

   bin/remove_members --fromall u...@example.com

isn't something you can do. That probably also means you don't have
access to Mailman's error log to provide the traceback, however, I can
say what the issue might be. Your URLs are wrong. There should not be
two occurrences of /members in the URL. The 'bug' however is that the
script assumes there are values for the check boxes on the form. Thus,
you need something like

wget
--post-data="adminpw=foobar&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu"
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove

or

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove?adminpw=foobar&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe one user from many lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Rafael Lang wrote:
>
>Now, I'm not super sure I got the command 
>line right, this is what I tried:
>
>wget --post-data="adminpw=foobar&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu" 
>http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove
>
>and I also tried to directly enter
>
>http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove?adminpw=foobar&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu
>
>into my browser. In both cases what I got back was:
>
>
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
>We're sorry, we hit a bug!
>
>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this
>problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
>explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
>Mailman error logs.
>
>
>and now I'm lost :-\ Can somebody help me? How can I unsubscribe a given 
>user from a couple of mailing lists at the same time without having to 
>go through the clumsy web interface for each of the mailing lists?


It appears that you don't have command line access to Mailman, so the
obvious

  bin/remove_members --fromall u...@example.com

isn't something you can do. That probably also means you don't have
access to Mailman's error log to provide the traceback, however, I can
say what the issue might be. Your URLs are wrong. There should not be
two occurrences of /members in the URL. The 'bug' however is that the
script assumes there are values for the check boxes on the form. Thus,
you need something like 

wget
--post-data="adminpw=foobar&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu"
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove

or

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/remove?adminpw=foobar&send_unsub_notifications_to_list_owner=0&send_unsub_ack_to_this_batch=0&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe one user from many lists

[Rafael Lang]

Hi Mailmen and -women,

I'd like to administrate some ~20 email lists of a team of people 
working together via mailman. Once a user leaves the team, I should 
unsubscribe this user from all lists that he's on. How do I do this 
without having to click through 20 web interfaces?


First I thought, hey, I simply send an unsubscribe email, just like the 
subscribe email. Well, that doesn't work though, since unsubscription 
always requires the user password, which I don't have of course. So I 
searched around and found this thread:


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-July/037815.html

about exactly this. Now, that suggests a global change by patching a 
python script. But since the mail server I'm using is actually for a 
whole institute, the administrator probably has little interest to 
globally change his Mailman/Commands/cmd_unsubscribe.py just because of 
my 20 mailing lists, in particular since some of his other lists may be 
more security sensitive than mine. In addition, if I try to patch this 
file rather than having some patch from somebody who actually knows 
python ;-) he probably won't like it anyway...


So I continued searching and stumbled across the possibility of doing 
this via wget:


http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041214.html

and

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-December/041220.html

Wow, that would be fantastic! :-) I could simply shell script that, not 
even worrying whether the user is subscribed to all 20 lists and just 
batch-unsubscribe (if the user wouldn't be on a given list, nothing 
would happen, so that's OK) Now, I'm not super sure I got the command 
line right, this is what I tried:


wget --post-data="adminpw=foobar&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu" 
http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove


and I also tried to directly enter

http://serveraddress/mailman/admin/mailinglistname/members/members/remove?adminpw=foobar&unsubscribees=m...@somewhere.edu

into my browser. In both cases what I got back was:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9
We're sorry, we hit a bug!

Please inform the webmaster for this site of this
problem.  Printing of traceback and other system information has been
explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the
Mailman error logs.


and now I'm lost :-\ Can somebody help me? How can I unsubscribe a given 
user from a couple of mailing lists at the same time without having to 
go through the clumsy web interface for each of the mailing lists?


Your help is greatly appreciated - thank you very much!

Kind regards,
Rafael




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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe request

[Mark Sapiro]

Schwartz, Robert - IS wrote:

>How can I add an unsubscribe request to the bottom of all emails sent out?  
>Example:  "To unsubscribe select this link"


Without modifying code or creating your own CGI, PHP, etc. process to
do the unsubscribe, you can't have a one-click unsubscribe that
doesn't require confirmation.

What this list and others do is something like the following which
takes you to a page with an unsubscribe button which requires
confirmation by email or login to unsubscribe without confirmation.

>Unsubscribe: 
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark%40msapiro.net

The above is created with the text

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s

in msg_footer. You could make this, e.g..

Unsubscribe:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/mark%40msapiro.net?login-unsub=Unsubscribe

to do the equivalent of clicking the Unsubscribe button on the options
login page by putting

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s?login-unsub=Unsubscribe

in msg_footer.

Either of the above require the list to be personalized in order to
work, and they can't be used with digest_footer because digests aren't
personalized.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe request

[Schwartz, Robert - IS]

How can I add an unsubscribe request to the bottom of all emails sent out?  
Example:  "To unsubscribe select this link"

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe in Footer - was: How deleteattechment file ATT00xxx.txt ?

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* Mark Sapiro :

> Mailman has no "one click unsubscribe" function. 

It would make sense, though

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe in Footer - was: How deleteattechment file ATT00xxx.txt ?

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westernz wrote:
>
>But i have a new problem about unsubscribe.
>I tried the like you gave me and it appear a big page overfirefox.
>And a small over IE.
>I need only let user unsubscribe and no more.
>
>you can see page here (if it's work)
>Try with firefox
>http://lists.an16.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/photo/vrac%40an16.fr
>
>How solve ?
>If possible i need a very simple : he clic, it's change on : nomail -U


Mailman has no "one click unsubscribe" function. You have to create
your own CGI or PHP, etc. script to do the unsubscribe or setting to
nomail (see ) and link to that in the
footer as I suggested at
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe in Footer - was: How delete attechment file ATT00xxx.txt ?

[westernz]

Thanks, i will try soon.

But i have a new problem about unsubscribe.
I tried the like you gave me and it appear a big page overfirefox.
And a small over IE.
I need only let user unsubscribe and no more.

you can see page here (if it's work)
Try with firefox
http://lists.an16.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/photo/vrac%40an16.fr

How solve ?
If possible i need a very simple : he clic, it's change on : nomail -U

Have a nice day.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe in Footer - was: How delete attechment file ATT00xxx.txt ?

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westernz  wrote:
>Is that possible to make a copy of a list ?
>That long to check all config each new list.
>Maybe from the serveur (unix) in the Mailman directory, maybe there are a
>file for each list, maybe i can copy one ?

See man config_list .

The command

 config_list -o filename LISTNAME

will make a copy of the LISTNAME config file into a file named filename .
You can then modify that file and run

 /usr/sbin/newlist LISTNAME1
 config_list -i filename LISTNAME1

to create a new list and set its configuration parameters from the
revised config file.  I have around 20 template list config files
that I use to create new lists.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe in Footer - was: How delete attechment file ATT00xxx.txt ?

[westernz]

Many thanks !

You are good !

I did all you said, and that done :)

I'm french with poor technical english and did it :)

I will return to you if needed.

have a nice day


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe in Footer - was: How delete attechment file ATT00xxx.txt ?

[Mark Sapiro]

westernz wrote:
>
>Do you know how say in footer (now i want a footer... tsss...) to be
>unregistred clic here.
>And have an url where the membre of list will ne desctived from the list.
>Not deleted (because i maybe will add it a new time later by error), only
>descatived after gone to the gave url.


If your list is confirmed opt-in (invite rather than subscribe users
and require confirmation for subscription) you won't have to worry
about adding people who don't want to be on your list. If you are
potentially adding people to your list who have previously
unsubscribed without a specific request from the user to be
resubscribed, you are a spammer.

If your list is personalized, you can do as this list does and have a
link to the user options page as an unsubscribe link by putting

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s

in the footer,

Do do anything close to what you want you would need to construct a
line like

Unsubscribe: http://example.com/your_cgi/%(user_address)s

perhaps also including %(list_name)s, and your cgi would have to
collect and remember the addresses and do the unsubscribing or
possibly set the user to no-mail and turn off her password reminders.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/31/2010 10:24 AM, Patrick Okui wrote:
> 
> On 31 Mar, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Δημήτριος Καραπιπέρης wrote:
> 
>> On the remove_members help it mentions
>>
>> --nouserack
>>  -n  Don't send the user acknowledgements.  If not specified, the list
>>  default value is used.
>>
>> Which is this default value ?
> 
> The one set in the list configuration.


More specifically, the send_goodbye_msg setting on the list's General
Options page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Patrick Okui]

On 31 Mar, 2010, at 8:10 PM, Δημήτριος Καραπιπέρης  
wrote:



On the remove_members help it mentions

--nouserack
 -n  Don't send the user acknowledgements.  If not specified, the list
 default value is used.

Which is this default value ?


The one set in the list configuration.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Δημήτριος Καραπιπέ ρης]

Ralf pointed out the --fromall option on shell's remove_members script.


On the remove_members help it mentions

--nouserack
  -n  Don't send the user acknowledgements.  If not specified, the list
  default value is used.

Which is this default value ?


On remove_members --fromall ,.,. it did not send out any ack to the 
unsubscribed user but it did send to the administrator as defined by the 
mailing list option.


thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Mark Sapiro]

On 3/31/2010 9:32 AM, Δημήτριος Καραπιπέρης wrote:
> 
> The unsubscribe from all lists feature exist on newer versions than 2.1.9?


No.

Mailman 3 has a REST web interface that may support this, but MM 3 is
still in alpha development. There won't be anything in the web interface
for any Mailman 2.1.x release.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Δημήτριος Καραπιπέρης]

O/H Mark Sapiro έγραψε:

Dimitrios Karapiperis wrote:
  

is there any way to unsubsctibe a user from all the mailing lists on a host?

I am utilizing Mialman's web scripts through my php files and I make any 
subscriptions and deletions

( I don't like the idea to execute shell scripts through php)




There is no way in Mailman 2.1 to unsubscribe a user from all lists via
the web interface.

Ralf has already replied with the appropriate remove_members command.
See the FAQ at  for more info on invoking
Mailman's commands from PHP, but if you don't want to do that, you
can't do what you want unless you can independently determine which
lists the user is a member of, or even what lists exist on the host.

  


Thanks Mark.

The unsubscribe from all lists feature exist on newer versions than 2.1.9?

Are there any rpms?

thanks again
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Mark Sapiro]

Dimitrios Karapiperis wrote:
>
>is there any way to unsubsctibe a user from all the mailing lists on a host?
>
>I am utilizing Mialman's web scripts through my php files and I make any 
>subscriptions and deletions
>( I don't like the idea to execute shell scripts through php)


There is no way in Mailman 2.1 to unsubscribe a user from all lists via
the web interface.

Ralf has already replied with the appropriate remove_members command.
See the FAQ at  for more info on invoking
Mailman's commands from PHP, but if you don't want to do that, you
can't do what you want unless you can independently determine which
lists the user is a member of, or even what lists exist on the host.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Dimitrios Karapiperis :
> Hello
> 
> is there any way to unsubsctibe a user from all the mailing lists on a host?

Yes:
bin/remove_members --fromall dim...@thessaloniki.gr

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe from all mailing lists

[Dimitrios Karapiperis]

Hello

is there any way to unsubsctibe a user from all the mailing lists on a host?

I am utilizing Mialman's web scripts through my php files and I make any 
subscriptions and deletions

( I don't like the idea to execute shell scripts through php)

version
mailman-2.1.9-4.el5



Thanks in advance
Dimitrios Karapiperis


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer

[Mark Sapiro]

Andrea Cappelli wrote:
>
>I try to do this adding in msg_footer the following
>Unsubscribe: 
>%(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)s&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1
>
>but Mailman (2.1.11 on Debian Lenny) said me that I can't use
>user_optionsutl in this variable
>
>There is any other way to do this?


Steff Watkins has already replied as to why this is a bad idea.

As to why it doesn't work, the %(user_optionsurl)s and
%(user_password)s replacements are only available if the list's
Non-digest options -> personalize setting is "Yes" or "Full
Personalization". If the personalize setting doesn't appear on the
Non-digest options page, the installation has to add
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes to mm_cfg.py to enable it.

But as Steff says, don't do it. Just use

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s

or without personalization

Unsubscribe: %(web_page_url)soptions/%(list_name)s

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer

[Steff Watkins]

> -Original Message-
> From: mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org 
> [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org] 
> On Behalf Of Andrea Cappelli
> Sent: 17 December 2009 11:27
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer
> 
> Hi list,
> I would place in email footer the link to give possibility to 
> the user to unsubscribe (possibly directly, without insert 
> the password)
> 
> I try to do this adding in msg_footer the following
> Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)
> s&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1
> 
> but Mailman (2.1.11 on Debian Lenny) said me that I can't use 
> user_optionsutl in this variable
> 
> There is any other way to do this?
> 
> Thank you

I'm sorry to say this but this gives me the screaming hab-dabs.

Emailing a user's password in plain text WITHOUT the user requesting it
or expecting it???

Please... No... Don't do it. Walk away from the whizzy
super-fasty-clicky-interfacey-clicky thing and ... No!

Just don't.. Please?

By all means link them back to the webpage that allows them to
unsubscribe. By all means link them to the webpage that allows them to
have a password reminder/reset their password.

But don't EVER just randomly send out a user's password to them
BECAUSE... Well, they MIGHT want to unsubscribe... Or floss the cat..
Or...

Sorry to seem like such a  but this
opens the door to some many different types of Hell it is strongly to be
discouraged.

Regards, (Xmas cheers and all that... Ho ho ho!)

S Watkins
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe link on msg_footer

[Andrea Cappelli]

Hi list,
I would place in email footer the link to give possibility to the user
to unsubscribe (possibly directly, without insert the password)

I try to do this adding in msg_footer the following
Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s?password=%(user_password)
s&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1

but Mailman (2.1.11 on Debian Lenny) said me that I can't use
user_optionsutl in this variable

There is any other way to do this?

Thank you

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

LuKreme writes:
 > On 9-Nov-2009, at 13:49, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:
 > > upscaleweld...@aol.com is not subscribed to any python.org lists.

 > I guess he managed to figure it out between posting on the 1st and the  
 > message getting pushed through today?

More likely he was one of the folks who thinks that Mailman runs the
lists.  Google Groups ... Yahoo Groups (now *there* is an appropriate
moniker!) ... Mailman Lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request

[LuKreme]

On 9-Nov-2009, at 13:49, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote:

upscaleweld...@aol.com is not subscribed to any python.org lists.


That's odd, the message I replied to came to the mailman list.

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I guess he managed to figure it out between posting on the 1st and the  
message getting pushed through today? Of course, I didn't notice the  
date as I sort by 'date received' and not 'date sent'.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* LuKreme :
> On 1-Nov-2009, at 18:49, upscaleweld...@aol.com wrote:
> >Please unsubscribe me from your list.
> 
> Please unsubscribe yourself by reading ANY MESSAGE SENT TO THE LIST.
> 
> (hint, look for the word "Unsubscribe" included in every single message)
upscaleweld...@aol.com is not subscribed to any python.org lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request

[LuKreme]

On 1-Nov-2009, at 18:49, upscaleweld...@aol.com wrote:

Please unsubscribe me from your list.


Please unsubscribe yourself by reading ANY MESSAGE SENT TO THE LIST.

(hint, look for the word "Unsubscribe" included in every single message)


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe

[Ralf Hildebrandt]

* Emily IVA Samson Tepe :
> Hi All!
> 
> I need to put an easy "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the
> newsletter that goes to my mailing list.
> 
> Where should I link it to? An email address, or to a web page?
> 
> Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe request

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe

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Hi All!

I need to put an easy "unsubscribe" link at the bottom of the  
newsletter that goes to my mailing list.


Where should I link it to? An email address, or to a web page?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe, not disable

[Mark Sapiro]

Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>
>Just to make sure I got the first part of the answer right:
>"Disable" is not the end-station -- delivery attempts or probing
>of the subscriber address will continue the defined number of
>times, and if still unsuccessful, the address will finally be
>unsubscribed. So the disabling will never lead to a list with a
>lot of dead addresses on it. They will be unsubscribed eventually
>(if they don't start working again). If that is the case, I need
>not worry about unsubscribing them, and can liberally allow the
>process to take its time. (Maybe speed the process up a little
>for big lists.)


That's more or less correct. If bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings is > 0
and cron/disabled is being run by cron, the user will be sent a total
of bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings, the first immediately and then at
intervals of bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days. If the
user actually receives one of the warnings, she can either 'reply' or
follow a link in the message to re-enable delivery. Otherwise,
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days after the last warning,
the user will be removed from the list.

So yes, as long as Mailman's cron jobs are running, users whose
delivery is disabled by bounce will either re-enable their own
delivery or they will be automatically removed in time.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe, not disable

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>
>>Isn't that what bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings setting does?  After this
>>many times of sending a you are disabled e-mail, the user is unsubscribed.
>
>
>Exactly!


And in case it isn't clear, setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to
zero for a list will cause an immediate unsubscribe when the bounce
threshold is reached.

But, note that there is a bug in Mailman 2.1.11, 2.1.12rc1 and
2.1.12rc2 but not in 2.1.12 and not in 2.1.10 and prior that causes
bounce processing to fail when bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0.
The attached Bouncer.patch.txt will fix that.

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=== modified file 'Mailman/Bouncer.py'
--- Mailman/Bouncer.py  2008-06-20 19:47:28 +
+++ Mailman/Bouncer.py  2009-02-16 16:53:20 +
@@ -1,4 +1,4 @@
-# Copyright (C) 1998-2008 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
+# Copyright (C) 1998-2009 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
 #
 # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
 # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
@@ -163,8 +163,10 @@
 # We've set/changed bounce info above.  We now need to tell the
 # MemberAdaptor to set/update it.  We do it here in case the
 # MemberAdaptor stores bounce info externally to the list object to
-# be sure updated information is stored.
-self.setBounceInfo(member, info)
+# be sure updated information is stored, but we have to be sure the
+# member wasn't removed.
+if self.isMember(member):
+self.setBounceInfo(member, info)
 
 def disableBouncingMember(self, member, info, msg):
 # Initialize their confirmation cookie.  If we do it when we get the

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe, not disable

[Thomas Gramstad]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Jeff Grossman wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:05:49 -0700, "Thomas Gramstad" 
> >wrote:
> >> How can I make Mailman unsubscribe bouncing addresses instead of
> >> disabling them? I'm fine with the default number of days,
> >> number of delivery attempts etc., I just want the final action by
> >> Mailman to be unsubscribe instead of disable.
> >> 
> >> (This ought to be simple, but I've looked through the Mailman
> >> admin web pages several times, and also tried websearches,
> >> without being able to find it.)
> >
> >Isn't that what bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings setting does?  After this
> >many times of sending a you are disabled e-mail, the user is unsubscribed.
> 
> 
> Exactly!
> 
> 
> >> Also, is there a way to unsubscribe all the disabled addresses
> >> on a given list with one single command?
> >
> >Not sure about that one.  But, I would imagine once you change the setting
> >above, it will remove the disabled addresses.
> 
> 
> It won't. Once a member's delivery is disabled by bounce, the number of
> remaining warnings and time of last warning are recorded in the
> member's bounce info, and cron/disabled will check the interval, send
> a notice, decrement the number remaining and do the unsubscribe when
> the number reaches zero. Changing the list's
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings after a member's delivery is disabled
> has no effect on this.
> 
> But the command to immediately unsubscribe all members with delivery
> disabled by bounce is
> 
> bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce LISTNAME | bin/remove_members \
>   --file=- LISTNAME
> 
> you might also want to specify --nouserack and/or --noadminack on the
> remove_members command. To do this for all lists, consider
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` ; do
>bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce $list | bin/remove_members \
> --file=- $list
> done

Thanks!

Just to make sure I got the first part of the answer right:
"Disable" is not the end-station -- delivery attempts or probing
of the subscriber address will continue the defined number of
times, and if still unsuccessful, the address will finally be
unsubscribed. So the disabling will never lead to a list with a
lot of dead addresses on it. They will be unsubscribed eventually
(if they don't start working again). If that is the case, I need
not worry about unsubscribing them, and can liberally allow the
process to take its time. (Maybe speed the process up a little
for big lists.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe, not disable

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeff Grossman wrote:
>
>On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:05:49 -0700, "Thomas Gramstad" 
>wrote:
>> How can I make Mailman unsubscribe bouncing addresses instead of
>> disabling them? I'm fine with the default number of days,
>> number of delivery attempts etc., I just want the final action by
>> Mailman to be unsubscribe instead of disable.
>> 
>> (This ought to be simple, but I've looked through the Mailman
>> admin web pages several times, and also tried websearches,
>> without being able to find it.)
>
>Isn't that what bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings setting does?  After this
>many times of sending a you are disabled e-mail, the user is unsubscribed.


Exactly!


>> Also, is there a way to unsubscribe all the disabled addresses
>> on a given list with one single command?
>
>Not sure about that one.  But, I would imagine once you change the setting
>above, it will remove the disabled addresses.


It won't. Once a member's delivery is disabled by bounce, the number of
remaining warnings and time of last warning are recorded in the
member's bounce info, and cron/disabled will check the interval, send
a notice, decrement the number remaining and do the unsubscribe when
the number reaches zero. Changing the list's
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings after a member's delivery is disabled
has no effect on this.

But the command to immediately unsubscribe all members with delivery
disabled by bounce is

bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce LISTNAME | bin/remove_members \
  --file=- LISTNAME

you might also want to specify --nouserack and/or --noadminack on the
remove_members command. To do this for all lists, consider

#!/bin/sh
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare` ; do
   bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce $list | bin/remove_members \
--file=- $list
done

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe, not disable

[Jeff Grossman]

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:05:49 -0700, "Thomas Gramstad" 
wrote:
> How can I make Mailman unsubscribe bouncing addresses instead of
> disabling them? I'm fine with the default number of days,
> number of delivery attempts etc., I just want the final action by
> Mailman to be unsubscribe instead of disable.
> 
> (This ought to be simple, but I've looked through the Mailman
> admin web pages several times, and also tried websearches,
> without being able to find it.)

Isn't that what bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings setting does?  After this
many times of sending a you are disabled e-mail, the user is unsubscribed.

> 
> Also, is there a way to unsubscribe all the disabled addresses
> on a given list with one single command?

Not sure about that one.  But, I would imagine once you change the setting
above, it will remove the disabled addresses.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe, not disable

[Thomas Gramstad]

How can I make Mailman unsubscribe bouncing addresses instead of
disabling them? I'm fine with the default number of days,
number of delivery attempts etc., I just want the final action by
Mailman to be unsubscribe instead of disable.

(This ought to be simple, but I've looked through the Mailman
admin web pages several times, and also tried websearches,
without being able to find it.)

Also, is there a way to unsubscribe all the disabled addresses
on a given list with one single command?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe stats

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>Is there a way to obtain subscribe/unsubscribe statistics, i.e. How many
>have occurred within a given period?
>
>I do not need or want notification of every subscribe and unsubscribe, but
>it would be nice to know some stats.
>
>admin_notify_mchanges is off


You can get the raw data from Mailman's subscribe log if you have
access to it (that's where mmdsr would get it).

Otherwise, the only way I know is to set admin_notify_mchanges On and
collect and summarize the emails.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe stats

[Brad Knowles]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:


Is there a way to obtain subscribe/unsubscribe statistics, i.e. How many
have occurred within a given period?


I don't think there's anything currently existing in this space, no. 
But it wouldn't be too hard to modify the mmdsr script that I wrote to 
incorporate this kind of stuff.


See  for more 
info.


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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe stats

[Edward Salm, PhD]

Is there a way to obtain subscribe/unsubscribe statistics, i.e. How many
have occurred within a given period?

I do not need or want notification of every subscribe and unsubscribe, but
it would be nice to know some stats.

admin_notify_mchanges is off


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Edward Salm, PhD]

I am using the cPanel version of Mailman, as someone pointed out earlier.
This is at my webhost, and I do not have such access to those logs.

What cPanel does give me is a graphical user interface. It shows that bogus
user that I subscribed manually as having the status of "nomail (Reason
[b])" which I assume to mean bounce. It would have to be a hard bounce, as
it was a non-existent email address.

A screen shot of that interface as mentioned, is here:

http://www.lambdaent.com/pub/mailman/membership.jpg



On 10/4/08 11:49 PM, "Lloyd Tennison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What do the bounce logs say about that user? Did the bounce register?  Not
> all hard or soft bounces can be determined.  I actually scan my mail logs
> for hard bounces and delete them even faster than Mailman would.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "mailman-users@python.org" 
> Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
> 
>> bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
>> 
>> It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Lloyd Tennison]

What do the bounce logs say about that user? Did the bounce register?  Not 
all hard or soft bounces can be determined.  I actually scan my mail logs 
for hard bounces and delete them even faster than Mailman would.

- Original Message -
From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "mailman-users@python.org" 
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:19:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

> bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
> 
> It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.
> 
>  
> 
> On 10/4/08 3:04 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
> > 
> >> Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do 
the
> >> trick?
> >> 
> >> Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The 
address
> >> is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].
> > 
> > 
> > I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
> > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
> > a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
> > unsubscribed.
> > 
> > Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
> > set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
> > the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
> > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.
> > 
> > In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
> > be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
> > bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
> > being run daily.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Edward Salm, PhD]

bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0

It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.

 

On 10/4/08 3:04 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
> 
>> Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do the
>> trick?
>> 
>> Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The address
>> is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].
> 
> 
> I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
> a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
> unsubscribed.
> 
> Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
> set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
> the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.
> 
> In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
> be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
> being run daily.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>I set those thing BEFORE I posted. I have changed nothing since I posted.
>All things you have told e to do were already done BEFORE I posted. 


OK. Sorry. Thank you for giving me the information. (You could have
saved time and energy on both sides if you had posted the details of
what you had done in the first place.)

Now, I have visited your web site at
 and I see that you are running
a cPanel Mailman.

Please see the FAQ at  which trys to
explain that the Mailman you are dealing with is cPanel's fork of GNU
Mailman and I can't help you with things that work differently in
cPanel.


BTW, quoting from your OP

>I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
>only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
>years!

and assuming cPanel has not completely broken this, once a user's
delivery is disabled by bounce, it does not take additional posts to
eventually remove them from the list. That wouldn't work in any case
since their delivery is disabled and they won't be sent the subsequent
posts.

In GNU Mailman, once a member has delivery disabled by bounce,
processing is totally under the control of cron/disabled and the
member will be removed after their notices are exhausted (default 3
notices X 7 day interval = 21 days).

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>You've made way too many assumptions. Please review my original post:


I read your original post. I see nothing there I haven't addressed.

The only explicit assumption I made is that the test address that was
disabled by bounce over 24 hours ago was disabled before you set
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0.

I suppose I did make an implicit assumption that you have command line
access to the installation when I suggested you could run
cron/disabled by hand. If this is not the case, just set
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval to 1, and this disabled by
bounce member will be unsubscribed the next time cron/disabled runs
(default, 09:00 daily, server local time).


>-- Forwarded Message
>From: "Edward Salm, PhD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:15:53 -0700
>To: 
>Conversation: Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce
>
>I am creating an annual, announce-only list with over 1300 members. This is
>for a once-a-year community event where people have asked/signed up to be
>informed. Many of the email addresses were collected at the previous event
>one year ago (or more), and I expect many to be no longer effective.
>
>I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
>only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
>years!
>
>How can I have mailman unsubscribe, not just nomail, after just one hard
>bounce?
>
>(Yes, I have searched the archives.)
>
>Thank you!
>
>
>-- End of Forwarded Message
>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>bounce_score_threshold = 1.0
>bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0
>
>It's been 24 hours and the bogus user is still there.


Since it's been 24 hours, and since my advice to set
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 was sent less than 5 hours ago, I
conclude that this member bounced and had delivery disabled before you
set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0.

As I explain below, once the member's delivery has been disabled by
bounce, cron/disabled won't unsubscribe that member until
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days have elapsed since the
disable.

If you want to unsubscribe this member now, run

  cron/disabled -f -l listname

Now that you have set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0, any members
whose delivery bounces in the future will be immediately unsubscribed.


>On 10/4/08 3:04 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Edward Salm, PhD wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do the
>>> trick?
>>> 
>>> Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The address
>>> is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].
>> 
>> 
>> I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
>> a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
>> unsubscribed.
>> 
>> Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
>> set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
>> the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.
>> 
>> In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
>> be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
>> bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
>> being run daily.
>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>Do you mean that setting bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0 should do the
>trick?
>
>Well, I ran a test, using a bogus email address, and it has not. The address
>is still in the membership list, with nomail checked, reason [b].


I am saying that if bounce_score_threshold <= 1.0 and
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0  at the time that mail is sent to
a member and that mail bounces, the member will be immediately
unsubscribed.

Perhaps this member already had delivery disabled by bounce when you
set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0. Even if this was the case,
the member should be removed by cron/disabled after just
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval days.

In fact, even if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings > 0, the members will
be removed after (bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval X
bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) days as long as cron/disabled is
being run daily.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Mark Sapiro]

Edward Salm, PhD wrote:

>I am creating an annual, announce-only list with over 1300 members. This is
>for a once-a-year community event where people have asked/signed up to be
>informed. Many of the email addresses were collected at the previous event
>one year ago (or more), and I expect many to be no longer effective.
>
>I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
>only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
>years!


Not if you set bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings to 0.

"How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should
get before their address is removed from the mailing list. Set to 0 to
immediately remove an address from the list once their bounce score
exceeds the threshold. This value must be an integer."

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe after just one hard bounce

[Edward Salm, PhD]

I am creating an annual, announce-only list with over 1300 members. This is
for a once-a-year community event where people have asked/signed up to be
informed. Many of the email addresses were collected at the previous event
one year ago (or more), and I expect many to be no longer effective.

I have set the bounce_score_threshold to 1.0. However, since this list will
only be used once a year, those bounces would not be unsubscribed for 3
years!

How can I have mailman unsubscribe, not just nomail, after just one hard
bounce?

(Yes, I have searched the archives.)

Thank you!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

[Bill Heath]

Thank you, that worked perfectly after I found all the addresses that
were causing me problems.  Unfortunately every problem email had all
valid characters in the email addresses, just not valid address form.
Once all the bad addresses were removed, the cron job ran with no errors
and I stopped receiving all the unsubscribe notifications.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 11:34 AM
To: Bill Heath; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

Bill Heath wrote:

>After reviewing the member list, I did not see any of the domains with
>caps in them, I did however see several entries in the format of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I am suspecting
>that this is not normal either.


That is correct.


>After searching in the web interface,
>they entry is there as well.  If I check the unsubscribe option on the
>membership list and hit submit your changes, I get an response of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Not subscribed.
>Is there a way to manually remove these entries from the subscriber
>database?


See
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.013.htp>.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

[Mark Sapiro]

Bill Heath wrote:

>After reviewing the member list, I did not see any of the domains with
>caps in them, I did however see several entries in the format of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I am suspecting
>that this is not normal either.


That is correct.


>After searching in the web interface,
>they entry is there as well.  If I check the unsubscribe option on the
>membership list and hit submit your changes, I get an response of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Not subscribed.
>Is there a way to manually remove these entries from the subscriber
>database?


See
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

[Bill Heath]

After reviewing the member list, I did not see any of the domains with
caps in them, I did however see several entries in the format of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]  I am suspecting
that this is not normal either.  After searching in the web interface,
they entry is there as well.  If I check the unsubscribe option on the
membership list and hit submit your changes, I get an response of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Not subscribed.
Is there a way to manually remove these entries from the subscriber
database?

Bill Heath wrote:

>My apologies, I had the configuration information in my clipboard but
>forgot to paste it prior to hitting send.
>
>I am running mailman 2.1.9, with postfix 2.4.5 on an Ubuntu 7.10 server
>
>-Original Message-
>I have a situation where approximately 120 unsubscribe notifications
for
>one of my lists are being sent out repeatedly at basically the same
time
>every day.
>
>I am very new to the Mailman server and Linux as well.  Can anyone
>provide some guidance on where to look to begin troubleshooting this
>issue or to a solution to fix the problem?


My guess is these notices are being generated by the cron/disabled
process which by default runs daily at 9:00 am.

Normally, this process detects members whose delivery has been disabled
by bounce and sends them the periodic reminder or ultimately
unsubscribes them after enough notices have been sent.

It seems that something is wrong here such that the unsubscribe notice
to the admin is sent without the member actually being removed.

There is a bug not fixed until 2.1.10. If a member's email address
local_part was all lower case, but the domain was mixed/upper case
(e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]), the member would be added with the key in
member data not being all lower case. This could cause all sorts of
problems including (I think) not actually removing the member when the
member should be removed.

I think that might be what's happening here. Do the addresses reported
as being unsubscribed have all lower case local_part and mixed or
upper case domain? Does bin/list_members without the -p option report
members with upper case in the domain?

If so, I think that's the issue. The problem is that it will be tricky
to fix. If you can confirm that this is the case, I can work up a
script that will fix it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

[Mark Sapiro]

Bill Heath wrote:

>My apologies, I had the configuration information in my clipboard but
>forgot to paste it prior to hitting send.
>
>I am running mailman 2.1.9, with postfix 2.4.5 on an Ubuntu 7.10 server
>
>-Original Message-
>I have a situation where approximately 120 unsubscribe notifications for
>one of my lists are being sent out repeatedly at basically the same time
>every day.
>
>I am very new to the Mailman server and Linux as well.  Can anyone
>provide some guidance on where to look to begin troubleshooting this
>issue or to a solution to fix the problem?


My guess is these notices are being generated by the cron/disabled
process which by default runs daily at 9:00 am.

Normally, this process detects members whose delivery has been disabled
by bounce and sends them the periodic reminder or ultimately
unsubscribes them after enough notices have been sent.

It seems that something is wrong here such that the unsubscribe notice
to the admin is sent without the member actually being removed.

There is a bug not fixed until 2.1.10. If a member's email address
local_part was all lower case, but the domain was mixed/upper case
(e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED]), the member would be added with the key in
member data not being all lower case. This could cause all sorts of
problems including (I think) not actually removing the member when the
member should be removed.

I think that might be what's happening here. Do the addresses reported
as being unsubscribed have all lower case local_part and mixed or
upper case domain? Does bin/list_members without the -p option report
members with upper case in the domain?

If so, I think that's the issue. The problem is that it will be tricky
to fix. If you can confirm that this is the case, I can work up a
script that will fix it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

[Bill Heath]

My apologies, I had the configuration information in my clipboard but
forgot to paste it prior to hitting send.

I am running mailman 2.1.9, with postfix 2.4.5 on an Ubuntu 7.10 server

-Original Message-
I have a situation where approximately 120 unsubscribe notifications for
one of my lists are being sent out repeatedly at basically the same time
every day.

I am very new to the Mailman server and Linux as well.  Can anyone
provide some guidance on where to look to begin troubleshooting this
issue or to a solution to fix the problem?

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe nonfictions duplicated daily

[Bill Heath]

I have a situation where approximately 120 unsubscribe notifications for
one of my lists are being sent out repeatedly at basically the same time
every day.

I am very new to the Mailman server and Linux as well.  Can anyone
provide some guidance on where to look to begin troubleshooting this
issue or to a solution to fix the problem?

Bill
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe footer

[Mark Sapiro]

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>How do you insert a line in the footer to include a direct link for
>unsubscribing similar to the one at the bottom of this list's emails?


See

regarding personalization. Once the list's personalize attribute is
"Yes", you can put

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s

in msg_footer.

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[Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe footer

[ilovespam]

How do you insert a line in the footer to include a direct link for
unsubscribing similar to the one at the bottom of this list's emails?

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe

[Mike Rosile]

unsubscribe
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Re: [Mailman-Users] unsubscribe in email footer

[Mark Sapiro]

prashanth g wrote:
>
>   In the email footer i could the see 
>
>unsubscribe : 
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/munichlinux%40yahoo.co.in
>
>how and where to set this? 


Put

Unsubscribe: %(user_optionsurl)s

in msg_footer (in Non-digest options). This requires that the list be
personalized in order to work. See
.

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[Mailman-Users] unsubscribe in email footer

[prashanth g]

Hi,


   In the email footer i could the see 

unsubscribe : 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/munichlinux%40yahoo.co.in

how and where to set this? 



Prashanth




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe Message

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/15/07, Brian Canty wrote:

>  I have looked in the FAQ and can not seem to find how you can modify the
>  standard unsubscribe message.  Can someone tell me if there is somewhere
>  on the menu where this can be done or does it have to be done in a CF
>  file.

Go to the main web admin page for your list.  Scroll down to the 
field where it says "Edit goodbye_msg" and right below that is 
"send_goodbye_msg".

However, whatever you put in this field would simply be added to the 
standard "goodbye message", and not in place of it.  If you wanted to 
replace the standard goodby message, I think you'd need to modify the 
source code.

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