Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
Joe writes: Since I am not an IT specialist I have to ask myself, why would he feel so strongly about this ? Just because. What more reason does anyone need? I personally strongly disliked cPanel for a long time because they and their customers (the host services, not the users) dumped some of their support on us. Inadvertantly, I'm sure, but I don't cut vendors who don't publish derivative source much slack. (Just a disclaimer of personal bias, you needn't sympathize with me. Anyway, more recently they have been trying to work out how to be better citizens in the Mailman community. :-) What problems should I expect to encounter ? Something that you need to think about, at least long enough to read the whole point: 1. Mailman sometimes gets wedged (at least, it has done so in the past, I'm not promising it will ever happen again, much less happen to you :-). When it does, often somebody needs to access the message queues directly, which you can't do without shell access (and probably shouldn't be able to do on a shared installation because you could trash somebody else's mail). This could indeed happen to you. Suppose it does -- I'll bet Brian's company will get it resolved withing hours in 99% of the rare cases when it does happen. (Ask him for actual details, I have no relation to or even real knowledge of his company -- I just like him because he's friendly and occasionally answers question here even if they don't seem like a way to attract a customer. :-) Would something that happens on the average once in ten years to a given list, that takes 24 hours or less to resolve, put your organization out of business? If yes, cPanel is out, otherwise, why not? I suspect your IT specialist buddy is a bit OCD about these things, and a one-hour delay would be enough to get him spelling in all caps. ;-) As a non-specialist, the following probably do *not* apply to you, but for completeness: 2. In high-volume situations, many admins prefer to use withlist, a command line script, for mass moderation. No shell access, no can do. This also can happen to you, if your list attracts specific attention from a bad guy. 3. If you have many lists, and need to make a configuration change to each of those lists, again withlist is your friend. 4. Certain customizations to the website require changing Mailman code because the page in question is fully-software generated (no template at all). 5. Custom Handlers can be added to the post processing pipeline, but only if you have access to the code. I have two special-purpose Handlers that I use for my own lists, and a third, used to integrate SpamAssassin with Mailman, is quite popular. (This is not the preferred way to use SpamAssassin, but it works for a lot of Mailman site admins.) There may be others I can't recall offhand, but they're similar. I think you can see that these are probably not major concerns for you. For most non-technical users cPanel is a good way to go. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
These days there's no excuse not to simply provide each person a virtual host, which is what I do. The only disadvantage is that you need to have enough machine to host them, which these days is not hard to do. There is no longer the need to use something like cPanel to split a machine up for multiple hosts. I provide virtual hosts to my clients with full access so they can do whatever they need on their machine and I don't have to worry about them affecting anyone else, and I can customize the VMs to suit specific needs (ie disk space, RAM, etc). I can even limit bandwidth etc., if necessary. Farokh MCF Software...simply dependably engineered For all your computer and networking needs including hosting solutions for every need. Phone: 845-735-0210 Cell: 914-262-1594 Stephen J. Turnbull mailto:step...@xemacs.org February 19, 2014 07:47 Joe writes: Since I am not an IT specialist I have to ask myself, why would he feel so strongly about this ? Just because. What more reason does anyone need? I personally strongly disliked cPanel for a long time because they and their customers (the host services, not the users) dumped some of their support on us. Inadvertantly, I'm sure, but I don't cut vendors who don't publish derivative source much slack. (Just a disclaimer of personal bias, you needn't sympathize with me. Anyway, more recently they have been trying to work out how to be better citizens in the Mailman community. :-) What problems should I expect to encounter ? Something that you need to think about, at least long enough to read the whole point: 1. Mailman sometimes gets wedged (at least, it has done so in the past, I'm not promising it will ever happen again, much less happen to you :-). When it does, often somebody needs to access the message queues directly, which you can't do without shell access (and probably shouldn't be able to do on a shared installation because you could trash somebody else's mail). This could indeed happen to you. Suppose it does -- I'll bet Brian's company will get it resolved withing hours in 99% of the rare cases when it does happen. (Ask him for actual details, I have no relation to or even real knowledge of his company -- I just like him because he's friendly and occasionally answers question here even if they don't seem like a way to attract a customer. :-) Would something that happens on the average once in ten years to a given list, that takes 24 hours or less to resolve, put your organization out of business? If yes, cPanel is out, otherwise, why not? I suspect your IT specialist buddy is a bit OCD about these things, and a one-hour delay would be enough to get him spelling in all caps. ;-) As a non-specialist, the following probably do *not* apply to you, but for completeness: 2. In high-volume situations, many admins prefer to use withlist, a command line script, for mass moderation. No shell access, no can do. This also can happen to you, if your list attracts specific attention from a bad guy. 3. If you have many lists, and need to make a configuration change to each of those lists, again withlist is your friend. 4. Certain customizations to the website require changing Mailman code because the page in question is fully-software generated (no template at all). 5. Custom Handlers can be added to the post processing pipeline, but only if you have access to the code. I have two special-purpose Handlers that I use for my own lists, and a third, used to integrate SpamAssassin with Mailman, is quite popular. (This is not the preferred way to use SpamAssassin, but it works for a lot of Mailman site admins.) There may be others I can't recall offhand, but they're similar. I think you can see that these are probably not major concerns for you. For most non-technical users cPanel is a good way to go. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/farokh%40mcfsoftware.com Joe mailto:joemailgro...@gmail.com February 18, 2014 13:50 Hi, Brian. Thanks for your reply. I will be calling you soon. I will not disclose the name or e-mail of the IT specialist but his private message to me expressed his concern over the use of cPanel as a tool for the management of Mailman. Here is an excerpt from the e-mail I received: Joe, unless you have COMPLETE List Control, DON'T do it ! ! ! If you think you HATE the baby sitting of current set-up, you don't know/fully understand the full meaning of HATE ! ! ! For over a decade I have prayed to Hit the Lottery as very FIRST thing I would do is pay for Dedicated Server so I could have
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
The esteemed Joe has said: Hello, everyone. In my attempt to find a Mailman hosting service I have received a message from one IT specialist advising me to avoid hosting services that utilize a cPanel. According to this specialist this is a bad arrangement and one that doesn't provide me full control of my lists. Since I am not an IT specialist I don't know what a cPanel is or how this can be a problem. Can any of you enlighten me ? What is a cPanel, why can this be a problem and how would it not allow me full control of my lists ? In addition, what problems should I expect to encounter in hosting my lists with an outside Mailman hosting service ? Joe, I'm going to comment on meeting your needs from my own direct experience. Just by way of introduction, let me say that I don't consider myself an IT specialist, though there are times when I've had to do until a real one comes along. Instead, I'm a hardware engineer who first worked with digital systems in the 1950's, and learned software on the side. You've heard of the DEC PDP-1. I worked on that team. Fast forward 43 years until I retired at 67 in 2001. Most of that time, I worked on teams who didn't go to school to learn that stuff, because we were too busy inventing it. (Later some of those schools hired us to teach what we'd invented). A couple of years after I retired (and moved into a small Rocky Mt. ranch community), the local dialup service developed wireless radio link services, and when they learned that I was a potential customer and had Sun servers with Solaris available (and the skills to use them), I was part of their development. My setup here is as my own ISP using them as my upstream feed. About a year after we got that up and running, a mail list I was on fell apart because of sociological conflict. I agreed to set up Mailman needed resources to host his domain name, and received the needed data from the last host site, which was also Mailman. I downloaded the Mailman and Python sources, built them, and installed Mailman using the existing Solaris sendmail and apache builds in the Solaris distribution. Some of the Mailman web pages got customized for sociological reasons, which meant that I had to maintain a non-standard configuration. Our assumption at the time was that the list would operate for 3-5 years and sail off into the sunset. That's not what happened. We solved the sociological problems, and at eight years, the list was more active than ever. It was time to for me to get out of the hosting sideline, and find a commercial provider. Before starting that search, I did a stock build of Mailman, uncustomized, and moved my lists to that, to see if there was any more need for the customization. There was none, and we found a commercial service that was running stock Mailman with the HtDig search engine, which we needed. Sent them a dump of the subscriber base, the configuration files we were using, and many gigabytes of mbox files, and they've run the list for a good three years now. I'll identify them in private e-mail if you wish. What was my actual need for full access to the installation? So far as Mailman itself was concerned, virtually none was the answer. It was convenient to be able to read the log files, but that generally was to monitor activity involving Sendmail and its control files. I don't know about cPanel itself. But I think you want to consider what your objectives are. I think you are saying you want to set up a mail list, but don't want to try to turn into a systems administration wizard in the process. My experience is this: you don't need to, if you're hosted on a good system with competent sysadmins. Hank -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
Hi, Brian. Thanks for your reply. I will be calling you soon. I will not disclose the name or e-mail of the IT specialist but his private message to me expressed his concern over the use of cPanel as a tool for the management of Mailman. Here is an excerpt from the e-mail I received: Joe, unless you have COMPLETE List Control, DON'T do it ! ! ! If you think you HATE the baby sitting of current set-up, you don't know/fully understand the full meaning of HATE ! ! ! For over a decade I have prayed to Hit the Lottery as very FIRST thing I would do is pay for Dedicated Server so I could have FULL control without the Baby Sitting of cPanel ! ! ! Since I am not an IT specialist I have to ask myself, why would he feel so strongly about this ? What problems should I expect to encounter ? Thank you, Joseph. On February 18, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Brian Carpenter br...@emwd.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users- bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:29 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Users Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service. Hello, everyone. In my attempt to find a Mailman hosting service I have received a message from one IT specialist advising me to avoid hosting services that utilize a cPanel. According to this specialist this is a bad arrangement and one that doesn't provide me full control of my lists. Since I am not an IT specialist I don't know what a cPanel is or how this can be a problem. Can any of you enlighten me ? What is a cPanel, why can this be a problem and how would it not allow me full control of my lists ? In addition, what problems should I expect to encounter in hosting my lists with an outside Mailman hosting service ? Thank you in advance, Joe. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- users/brian%40emwd.com Hi Joe: I think we discussed your mailman needs a couple of times over the phone. cPanel is a webhosting control panel that is very popular (for good reason) among web hosting companies and it includes the use of mailman. cPanel is typically used within a shared hosting environment and I believe it has done a lot in getting mailman into the hands of many list users. Because of the nature of a shared hosting environment, typical mailman users would not have access to the mailman server itself in order to make any customizations such as searchable archives, etc. However my company hosts over a 1000 mailman lists on our cPanel servers and our list clients are very happy with the arrangement. But YMMV. If you have not required backend access before to your mailman server then I would think you will not have any problems utilizing a cPanel enabled mailman service. I would be interested in hearing some details of your IT specialist's reservations of cPanel and mailman. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: br...@emwd.com www.emwd.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
-Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users- bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:29 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Users Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service. Hello, everyone. In my attempt to find a Mailman hosting service I have received a message from one IT specialist advising me to avoid hosting services that utilize a cPanel. According to this specialist this is a bad arrangement and one that doesn't provide me full control of my lists. Since I am not an IT specialist I don't know what a cPanel is or how this can be a problem. Can any of you enlighten me ? What is a cPanel, why can this be a problem and how would it not allow me full control of my lists ? In addition, what problems should I expect to encounter in hosting my lists with an outside Mailman hosting service ? Thank you in advance, Joe. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- users/brian%40emwd.com Hi Joe: I think we discussed your mailman needs a couple of times over the phone. cPanel is a webhosting control panel that is very popular (for good reason) among web hosting companies and it includes the use of mailman. cPanel is typically used within a shared hosting environment and I believe it has done a lot in getting mailman into the hands of many list users. Because of the nature of a shared hosting environment, typical mailman users would not have access to the mailman server itself in order to make any customizations such as searchable archives, etc. However my company hosts over a 1000 mailman lists on our cPanel servers and our list clients are very happy with the arrangement. But YMMV. If you have not required backend access before to your mailman server then I would think you will not have any problems utilizing a cPanel enabled mailman service. I would be interested in hearing some details of your IT specialist's reservations of cPanel and mailman. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: br...@emwd.com www.emwd.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
Joe wrote: In my attempt to find a Mailman hosting service I have received a message from one IT specialist advising me to avoid hosting services that utilize a cPanel. According to this specialist this is a bad arrangement and one that doesn't provide me full control of my lists. Since I am not an IT specialist I don't know what a cPanel is or how this can be a problem. Can any of you enlighten me ? What is a cPanel, why can this be a problem and how would it not allow me full control of my lists ? I run Mailman lists for several charities running my own Mailman compiled from source with some modifications. I do the work on the backend and if there are problems, I get support from myself or the list if I am stuck. I manage other Linux systems and so it isn't a problem for me. I don't want to pay the license to run CPanel on the servers, and that is the choice I made. The CPanel system is a web based control panel which allows you to host amongst other things, a fully working Mailman setup. Whilst the CPanel implementation is not standard as per the stock Mailman setup, it is arguably one of the most widely used versions of Mailman, and without it, I think Mailman would be far less used today. I feel there is nothing wrong with the CPanel installation for most users, who want to create, manage and remove lists from their hosting domains. Where the issue comes is with support, as only a CPanel specialist or CPanel themselves can really support the installation, as the Mailman community don't know fully what has been done to the installation to make it work with the CPanel environment. It could also be possible for someone who is used to a stock Mailman installation to break the integration if they just go ahead and change stuff without forethought to the CPanel integration. I myself am subscribed to several very high traffic lists who run Mailman under CPanel, and they have no issues at all that I know of. My advice would be to look at the providers you have available, if some are using CPanel and you feel comfortable with the support they are offering, and the service fits your requirements, then don't let the fact they are using CPanel put you off. It sounds like you would probably call out to someone else to support the system if it goes wrong anyhow. If you have more bespoke requirements, and the CPanel integration wouldn't meet these (after talking to people on this list or companies who use CPanel), then go with a more tailored solution. Thanks. Andrew. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.
Joe: I am an IT Specialist (29 years) and new to Mailman as you can see by my posts here lately, I run many things under cPanel via a large hosting provider but chose to run Mailman here on my 2 local Linux Servers (Ubuntu) - I'm not sure why he feels so strongly, if the provider had a good support structure and prices (I'm paying $15/month for unlimited space/bandwidth - email me privately for the provider) plus I run my own 2 local servers here with mailman on them for several charitable/non-profit groups. As to an IT Specialist needing to hit the lottery for his own dedicated server - um...they don't cost that much to build both of these here are probably about $1K each or less with RAID Disks, redundant power supplies etc. Heck, if you just need to host a few lists give me a yell and we can talk. George -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+gkasica=netwrx1@python.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 12:51 PM To: Brian Carpenter Cc: 'mailman-users@python.org Users' Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service. Hi, Brian. Thanks for your reply. I will be calling you soon. I will not disclose the name or e-mail of the IT specialist but his private message to me expressed his concern over the use of cPanel as a tool for the management of Mailman. Here is an excerpt from the e-mail I received: Joe, unless you have COMPLETE List Control, DON'T do it ! ! ! If you think you HATE the baby sitting of current set-up, you don't know/fully understand the full meaning of HATE ! ! ! For over a decade I have prayed to Hit the Lottery as very FIRST thing I would do is pay for Dedicated Server so I could have FULL control without the Baby Sitting of cPanel ! ! ! Since I am not an IT specialist I have to ask myself, why would he feel so strongly about this ? What problems should I expect to encounter ? Thank you, Joseph. On February 18, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Brian Carpenter br...@emwd.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users- bounces+brian=emwd@python.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:29 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Users Subject: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service. Hello, everyone. In my attempt to find a Mailman hosting service I have received a message from one IT specialist advising me to avoid hosting services that utilize a cPanel. According to this specialist this is a bad arrangement and one that doesn't provide me full control of my lists. Since I am not an IT specialist I don't know what a cPanel is or how this can be a problem. Can any of you enlighten me ? What is a cPanel, why can this be a problem and how would it not allow me full control of my lists ? In addition, what problems should I expect to encounter in hosting my lists with an outside Mailman hosting service ? Thank you in advance, Joe. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman- users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman- users/brian%40emwd.com Hi Joe: I think we discussed your mailman needs a couple of times over the phone. cPanel is a webhosting control panel that is very popular (for good reason) among web hosting companies and it includes the use of mailman. cPanel is typically used within a shared hosting environment and I believe it has done a lot in getting mailman into the hands of many list users. Because of the nature of a shared hosting environment, typical mailman users would not have access to the mailman server itself in order to make any customizations such as searchable archives, etc. However my company hosts over a 1000 mailman lists on our cPanel servers and our list clients are very happy with the arrangement. But YMMV. If you have not required backend access before to your mailman server then I would think you will not have any problems utilizing a cPanel enabled mailman service. I would be interested in hearing some details of your IT specialist's reservations of cPanel and mailman. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: br...@emwd.com www.emwd.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/gkasica%40netwrx1.com
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman 3
On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 20:16 +0430, Javad Hoseini-Nopendar wrote: I have a question about later versions of mailman. Do they have the feature to export list of members to Excel or TXT file? If you have console access to the account, you can use the list_members command: list_members listname [lists member emails] list_members -f listname[lists emails w. names as RFC-compliant address] You can also send a who command in the subject line to listname-requ...@example.com with a password. This isn't well documented, but you'll find what documentation there is at http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node10.html and http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node41.html#a:commands -- Lindsay Haisley | Everything works if you let it FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | --- The Roadie http://www.fmp.com| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman 3
On 07/11/2013 09:48 AM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 20:16 +0430, Javad Hoseini-Nopendar wrote: I have a question about later versions of mailman. Do they have the feature to export list of members to Excel or TXT file? If you have console access to the account, you can use the list_members command: list_members listname [lists member emails] list_members -f listname [lists emails w. names as RFC-compliant address] You can also send a who command in the subject line to listname-requ...@example.com with a password. This isn't well documented, but you'll find what documentation there is at http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node10.html and http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/node41.html#a:commands Or in the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/aYA9, but the OP's question appears to be about MM 3. In MM 3, Postorius may or may not have the ability to export a membership list directly from the web UI. My guess is that it does, but I don't actually know for sure. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS Xserverset-up.
Try someone from http://www.afp548.com/ On 07 Apr 2011, at 04:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: JRC Groups wrote: Considering Brad isn't available at this time, would you know of anyone you could recommend who is experienced with OS X Server to help me with my problem ? I'm sorry, I don't know anyone to recommend. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ch.abarguia%40gmail.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS Xserverset-up.
Have you contacted http://osx.topicdesk.com/content/section/4/41/ ? The have tools and good reputation for mac os x server support services Consultancy : http://osx.topicdesk.com/content/view/12/36/ On 07 Apr 2011, at 04:28, Mark Sapiro wrote: JRC Groups wrote: Considering Brad isn't available at this time, would you know of anyone you could recommend who is experienced with OS X Server to help me with my problem ? I'm sorry, I don't know anyone to recommend. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ch.abarguia%40gmail.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
Mark, Thank you for your helpful reply. Considering Brad isn't available at this time, would you know of anyone you could recommend who is experienced with OS X Server to help me with my problem ? All I need is for someone who is experienced with OS Server and understands its System Administrator tool to log in on my server remotely and review my settings to make sure I haven't done anything wrong and possibly make a few corrections if they happen to be necessary. It goes without saying that I will be happy to pay for the consultation fee. After I am sure that everything is set-up properly on the server I will then continue with Mailman and decide whether I should just use the one bundled with OS X Server or if I should download it and do new install. Thank you, Joe -- On 3/28/11 1:27 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: JRC Groups wrote: While discussing some possible DNS set-up issues I might need to resolve on my server a certain IT professional mentioned to me that Mailman shouldn't be run using a virtual domain. I am not sure if this professional was referring to virtual domains in general or only those running on Mac OS X Server. Just a quick addendum to Brad's response. From the point of view of the mail server rather than Mailman, There should be full circle DNS. I.e., an rDNS lookup of the server's IP address should give a host/domain name and a lookup of that name should return an A record (not a CNAME) with the same IP. Also, when sending mail, the server should identify itself in HELO with the same name. These things should be true for any mail server regardless of Mailman. Now if a mailman list is in a virtual domain, the envelope sender of messages from that list will be the virtual domain. This is fine, but if the virtual domain publishes an SPF record, it needs to specify the server's name as a permitted sender. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS Xserverset-up.
JRC Groups wrote: Considering Brad isn't available at this time, would you know of anyone you could recommend who is experienced with OS X Server to help me with my problem ? I'm sorry, I don't know anyone to recommend. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
Sorry, my wife's computer has been down for days, and in the meanwhile she as taken over mine. At this point, all I've got is an iPad and a semi-wonky server in the closet, and neither of them is well suited for keeping up with lots of email. I'll fix that when I get her computer repaired and back into her hands so that I can get my computer back, but until then I'm going to be even more of an absentee admin for this list than normal. I may actually be getting a job soon doing Enterprise Mac OS X consulting, and if I do then I will let you folks know. If that happens, then I could potentially be available to do remote consulting for this kind of stuff through my employer. -- Brad Knowles Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2011, at 1:42 AM, JRC Groups joemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Brad and Mark for your helpful and detailed replies. I have reached a point where I have the lists almost working but there are some issues still preventing the systems from functioning in a way that allows me to confident to launch these lists I wish to create. Apple's support has been MIA at best so I have given up and decided to seek other alternatives. Also, the numerous individuals I have spoken with at Apple were clearly (1) not interested in making any improvements or fixing the current issues with the version of Mailman that ships with OS X Server and (2) didn't know any more about it than I do (which is quite embarrassing considering they are part of the company's business support department). I can't imagine that there is anything other than some minor set-up issues that need to be corrected with my system. After all, I am sending and receiving e-mails and the lists are functional (to an extent anyway) as they send and receive messages. However, as I stated above, I don't want to launch the lists only to attract subscribers and then find out in a short while that Mailman has stopped working because something with my system wasn't set-up properly. I also can't imagine that it would be too difficult to install a new version of Mailman and manage it using its browser-based interface while ignoring Apple's System Administrator tool for this specific task. Brad, since you have this much experience with OS X Server would you be interested in helping me with my problem ? In case you are, please contact me off-list so that we can discuss it. I believe you should be able to connect remotely, right ? In case you are not interested, would you recommend me someone who is knowledgeable on both OS X Server and Mailman ? I have contacted numerous Apple consultants but couldn't find a single one who had any experience with Mailman. Thanks again for your helpful replies. Best regards, Joe --- On 3/30/11 5:36 PM, Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org wrote: On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:15 PM, JRC Groups wrote: Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with both OS X Server and Mailman to help with this problem ? I am willing to pay a consultation fee to someone who can connect to my server remotely and help solve this issue. I've been an Apple consultant, at least part-time. I came within a hairs breadth of doing that job full-time for a local Apple VAR. I've got all the PDF versions of all the official Apple documentation on Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server, as well as PDF versions of the good 3rd party books on the subject. And I've been a professional Unix system administrator and consultant for over twenty years. The guy who used to run lists.apple.com was involved in the development and support of Mailman long before I came along, and has more experience in the business than I do. I don't mean to sound pessimistic or to rain on your parade, but in both cases, the solution was to blow away the stuff that Apple ships, and to install the real deal code as downloaded from list.org. The Mailman project is freely available open source (under a GNU license, no less), and the support we provide is best effort. There is no commercial version of Mailman that we sell or officially support. Anyone else that includes Mailman as part of a commercial product or service that they sell, should include with that a full after-sales support staff. Note that there isn't going to be a separate Server edition of Mac OS X Lion. No one seems to know if this means that all the stuff that the Server edition used to include will now be available to everyone, and that all the people who developed the Server edition of Mac OS X have been transitioned over to the mainline code development team, or if that means that a lot of products and services will get thrown out the door as Apple re-focuses exclusively on the retail/home user market. But that is certainly something that you should keep in mind as you look towards solutions in this space. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
Thanks Brad and Mark for your helpful and detailed replies. I have reached a point where I have the lists almost working but there are some issues still preventing the systems from functioning in a way that allows me to confident to launch these lists I wish to create. Apple's support has been MIA at best so I have given up and decided to seek other alternatives. Also, the numerous individuals I have spoken with at Apple were clearly (1) not interested in making any improvements or fixing the current issues with the version of Mailman that ships with OS X Server and (2) didn't know any more about it than I do (which is quite embarrassing considering they are part of the company's business support department). I can't imagine that there is anything other than some minor set-up issues that need to be corrected with my system. After all, I am sending and receiving e-mails and the lists are functional (to an extent anyway) as they send and receive messages. However, as I stated above, I don't want to launch the lists only to attract subscribers and then find out in a short while that Mailman has stopped working because something with my system wasn't set-up properly. I also can't imagine that it would be too difficult to install a new version of Mailman and manage it using its browser-based interface while ignoring Apple's System Administrator tool for this specific task. Brad, since you have this much experience with OS X Server would you be interested in helping me with my problem ? In case you are, please contact me off-list so that we can discuss it. I believe you should be able to connect remotely, right ? In case you are not interested, would you recommend me someone who is knowledgeable on both OS X Server and Mailman ? I have contacted numerous Apple consultants but couldn't find a single one who had any experience with Mailman. Thanks again for your helpful replies. Best regards, Joe --- On 3/30/11 5:36 PM, Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org wrote: On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:15 PM, JRC Groups wrote: Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with both OS X Server and Mailman to help with this problem ? I am willing to pay a consultation fee to someone who can connect to my server remotely and help solve this issue. I've been an Apple consultant, at least part-time. I came within a hairs breadth of doing that job full-time for a local Apple VAR. I've got all the PDF versions of all the official Apple documentation on Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server, as well as PDF versions of the good 3rd party books on the subject. And I've been a professional Unix system administrator and consultant for over twenty years. The guy who used to run lists.apple.com was involved in the development and support of Mailman long before I came along, and has more experience in the business than I do. I don't mean to sound pessimistic or to rain on your parade, but in both cases, the solution was to blow away the stuff that Apple ships, and to install the real deal code as downloaded from list.org. The Mailman project is freely available open source (under a GNU license, no less), and the support we provide is best effort. There is no commercial version of Mailman that we sell or officially support. Anyone else that includes Mailman as part of a commercial product or service that they sell, should include with that a full after-sales support staff. Note that there isn't going to be a separate Server edition of Mac OS X Lion. No one seems to know if this means that all the stuff that the Server edition used to include will now be available to everyone, and that all the people who developed the Server edition of Mac OS X have been transitioned over to the mainline code development team, or if that means that a lot of products and services will get thrown out the door as Apple re-focuses exclusively on the retail/home user market. But that is certainly something that you should keep in mind as you look towards solutions in this space. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
On 4/3/11 1:42 AM, JRC Groups at joemailgro...@gmail.com wrote: I also can't imagine that it would be too difficult to install a new version of Mailman and manage it using its browser-based interface while ignoring Apple's System Administrator tool for this specific task. It should not be difficult. I'll repeat what I posted Wednesday: I'll add that there are a number of here who run Mailman on OS X Client. Searching the archives, you will find full step-by-step directions for installing it. Blowing away the Apple provided Mailman (or just ignoring it) and installing a clean unmodified version from source will give you, on OS X Server, the same as those of on Client have. Going through the process yourself will teach you far more than having someone do it for you. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
Thank you Mark and Brad for your replies. From what I can tell rDNS seems to be working properly. I've created some lists and they also seem to be working well. I used some test e-mails (e-mail accounts I have) and received welcome e-mail from the lists after subscribing. The problem that keeps throwing me off is the problem we discussed here before. The list info page keeps reverting back to the name of the server instead of the name of the domain. I have, as you suggested, edited the mailman configuration file several times and every time I do it the info page changes to displaying the domain name associated with the list on the page. But as soon as I do anything in OS X Server's System Administration tool it reverts back to the server's name. I've been told it could be related to way I have OS X Server set-up. Based on a discussion I have had with another Apple Consultant I have even considered downloading Mailman and doing a fresh install to use this version instead of the one that Apple bundles with OS X. However I am afraid that (1) this could cause some type of conflict and (2) if the problem is related to some of my settings in OS X Server it may not work just as the bundled version doesn't. Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with both OS X Server and Mailman to help with this problem ? I am willing to pay a consultation fee to someone who can connect to my server remotely and help solve this issue. Thank you in advance, Joe On 3/28/11 1:27 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: JRC Groups wrote: While discussing some possible DNS set-up issues I might need to resolve on my server a certain IT professional mentioned to me that Mailman shouldn't be run using a virtual domain. I am not sure if this professional was referring to virtual domains in general or only those running on Mac OS X Server. Just a quick addendum to Brad's response. From the point of view of the mail server rather than Mailman, There should be full circle DNS. I.e., an rDNS lookup of the server's IP address should give a host/domain name and a lookup of that name should return an A record (not a CNAME) with the same IP. Also, when sending mail, the server should identify itself in HELO with the same name. These things should be true for any mail server regardless of Mailman. Now if a mailman list is in a virtual domain, the envelope sender of messages from that list will be the virtual domain. This is fine, but if the virtual domain publishes an SPF record, it needs to specify the server's name as a permitted sender. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS Xserverset-up.
JRC Groups wrote: The problem that keeps throwing me off is the problem we discussed here before. The list info page keeps reverting back to the name of the server instead of the name of the domain. I have, as you suggested, edited the mailman configuration file several times and every time I do it the info page changes to displaying the domain name associated with the list on the page. But as soon as I do anything in OS X Server's System Administration tool it reverts back to the server's name. This is some Apple thing. I can't help you with it, but perhaps someone else on this list can. I've been told it could be related to way I have OS X Server set-up. Based on a discussion I have had with another Apple Consultant I have even considered downloading Mailman and doing a fresh install to use this version instead of the one that Apple bundles with OS X. However I am afraid that (1) this could cause some type of conflict and (2) if the problem is related to some of my settings in OS X Server it may not work just as the bundled version doesn't. I can't answer number 2 one way or the other, but for number 1, see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/O4A9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
On Mar 30, 2011, at 6:15 PM, JRC Groups wrote: Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with both OS X Server and Mailman to help with this problem ? I am willing to pay a consultation fee to someone who can connect to my server remotely and help solve this issue. I've been an Apple consultant, at least part-time. I came within a hairs breadth of doing that job full-time for a local Apple VAR. I've got all the PDF versions of all the official Apple documentation on Mac OS X and Mac OS X Server, as well as PDF versions of the good 3rd party books on the subject. And I've been a professional Unix system administrator and consultant for over twenty years. The guy who used to run lists.apple.com was involved in the development and support of Mailman long before I came along, and has more experience in the business than I do. I don't mean to sound pessimistic or to rain on your parade, but in both cases, the solution was to blow away the stuff that Apple ships, and to install the real deal code as downloaded from list.org. The Mailman project is freely available open source (under a GNU license, no less), and the support we provide is best effort. There is no commercial version of Mailman that we sell or officially support. Anyone else that includes Mailman as part of a commercial product or service that they sell, should include with that a full after-sales support staff. Note that there isn't going to be a separate Server edition of Mac OS X Lion. No one seems to know if this means that all the stuff that the Server edition used to include will now be available to everyone, and that all the people who developed the Server edition of Mac OS X have been transitioned over to the mainline code development team, or if that means that a lot of products and services will get thrown out the door as Apple re-focuses exclusively on the retail/home user market. But that is certainly something that you should keep in mind as you look towards solutions in this space. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
On 3/30/11 7:36 PM, Brad Knowles at b...@shub-internet.org wrote: I don't mean to sound pessimistic or to rain on your parade, but in both cases, the solution was to blow away the stuff that Apple ships, and to install the real deal code as downloaded from list.org. I'll add that there are a number of here who run Mailman on OS X Client. Searching the archives, you will find full step-by-step directions for installing it. Blowing away the Apple provided Mailman (or just ignoring it) and installing a clean unmodified version from source will give you, on OS X Server, the same as those of on Client have. -- Larry Stone lston...@stonejongleux.com http://www.stonejongleux.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X server set-up.
On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:31 AM, JRC Groups wrote: While discussing some possible DNS set-up issues I might need to resolve on my server a certain IT professional mentioned to me that Mailman shouldn't be run using a virtual domain. I am not sure if this professional was referring to virtual domains in general or only those running on Mac OS X Server. In general, there are absolutely no problems running Mailman on a machine that hosts multiple virtual domains. The machines at python.org do this today. While the official purpose of the machines is to serve the python.org domain and the mailing lists for this domain, there are lists for multiple other virtual domains that are also hosted there, and a single Mailman instance manages all those mailing lists just fine. There are some issues you need to be aware of with regards to using a single Mailman instance to handle mailing lists for multiple virtual domains, which are detailed in the FAQ wiki. But so long as you make sure that you don't ever try to create a mailing list by the same name in multiple different virtual domains that are handled by the same Mailman instance, there shouldn't be any major problems. However, the version of Mailman as shipped by Apple has some significant differences from the official version of Mailman as we provide for download from the list.org site (and mirrors). These issues are also covered in the FAQ Wiki, but the gist is that we cannot definitively provide answers for how the Apple-provided version of Mailman will work. Since they modified the code that is installed, if you want support for the Apple-provided version of Mailman, you would need to go to Apple for that. We can give you our best guess for how we think things should work in those kinds of situations, but that's about the best we can do. -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman domain and OS X serverset-up.
JRC Groups wrote: While discussing some possible DNS set-up issues I might need to resolve on my server a certain IT professional mentioned to me that Mailman shouldn't be run using a virtual domain. I am not sure if this professional was referring to virtual domains in general or only those running on Mac OS X Server. Just a quick addendum to Brad's response. From the point of view of the mail server rather than Mailman, There should be full circle DNS. I.e., an rDNS lookup of the server's IP address should give a host/domain name and a lookup of that name should return an A record (not a CNAME) with the same IP. Also, when sending mail, the server should identify itself in HELO with the same name. These things should be true for any mail server regardless of Mailman. Now if a mailman list is in a virtual domain, the envelope sender of messages from that list will be the virtual domain. This is fine, but if the virtual domain publishes an SPF record, it needs to specify the server's name as a permitted sender. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman issues i am experiencing
One option would be to use your mta to rate limit it per destination domain. Then your mta can queue them up a few at a time. Other things you can do include make sure dns entries for your server are inplace and match. Spf records won't hurt. Also you might get the mta to do skim signing. Check reputation databases for your urls and up address. -Original Message- From: inksan...@inksanitytattoo.com inksan...@inksanitytattoo.com Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:15 PM To: mailman-users@python.org mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman issues i am experiencing Dear Mailman, I use your program ver 2.1.11 cp3 The abridged version of my issue is this: I have a subscriber list of over 2,000 people. When I send emails thru the mailman program, I'm never certain how many of those emails are actually successfully received by my list members, and how many simply never get there (due to spam filters server restrictions). I believe my issue is due to sending out so many emails at one time (the full 2000). Is there ANY WAY to send emails out to a specific group of members on my list? For example, mailman alphabetizes list members by name. Is it not possible for me to send email to members A-C then wait a few hours and send D-F then wait a few hrs more and send to members G-I etc? Thank you so much for your assistance. Steve -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/scheidell%40secnap.net _ This email has been scanned and certified safe by SpammerTrap(r). For Information please see http://www.spammertrap.com _ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman issues i am experiencing
inksan...@inksanitytattoo.com wrote: I use your program ver 2.1.11 cp3 Actually, that's not ours, it's cPanel's. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/sYA9 for a bit on the difference. The abridged version of my issue is this: I have a subscriber list of over 2,000 people. When I send emails thru the mailman program, I'm never certain how many of those emails are actually successfully received by my list members, and how many simply never get there (due to spam filters server restrictions). The FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/4oA9 has some suggestions about this. I believe my issue is due to sending out so many emails at one time (the full 2000). Is there ANY WAY to send emails out to a specific group of members on my list? For example, mailman alphabetizes list members by name. Is it not possible for me to send email to members A-C then wait a few hours and send D-F then wait a few hrs more and send to members G-I etc? You could break your list into a number of separate sub-lists and post to those one at a time. Mailman doesn't have a way to limit it's sending rate. See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/j4A9. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman
Liz Bugh wrote: In setting up a test mailing group, we encountered problems and Bluehost was not able to answer our questions or help us at all. Here is the issue: The test mailing list I set up was named lizcontacts. I sent an email to a member list of 3 people. The member with Gmail received the email correctly ... from lizconta...@txlands.net ... plain and simple. The members with Hotmail and Yahoo received the email from lizcontacts-boun...@txlands.net on behalf of Liz Bugh (l...@txlands.net) Why the difference? The difference is not in the messages. It is in the way Microsoft software (Outlook, Hotmail, Windows Live Mail) displays the message. What actually bothers us is the bounces word ... not very appealing for someone to view in their inbox in a day where spam and destructive email is so prevalent. How can we eliminate bounces from the sender title? You can't. Perhaps Bluehost can. See the FAQ article at http://wiki.list.org/x/RoA9 for more information. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about mailman--how many names on a lisit will it support
At 10:50 AM -0700 2005-04-21, Phyllis Orrick wrote: Question: I have a couple of lists that have about 3-5,000 names and currently I have to break them up into two or three lists because major domo just can't handle all of them at once. What's the limit for mailman? See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq01.015.htp. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman. Hope you can help?
:: I use the mailman list quite extensively but need to extract the email :: addresses to invite to another list. How do you download a text format of :: all the members. I have over 8000 of them to much to copy and paste. See the ~mailman/bin/list_members script. Cheers - Erick -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman...
There is a personalization settings, look back in the archives a bit, it allows you to add email address per email and I think a few other variables, there may do the trick you are looking for. There was a posting a few days ago regarding this, it is sometimes also listed with discussion on VERPS -Original Message- From: John Chilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 7:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman... Importance: High Greetings, Is it possible to use mailman with variables that will enable more personalization to a message. For example, (Joe is the variable). Dear Joe, Thank you Joe for the email. Joe, we will answer your question as soon as possible. Take care, Joe. Regards I currently use a different mail program (listmailpro.com). The database holds more information than mailman. If mailman could add the user name to the database in addition to the email address, it would seem the variable option would be easier to do. If the variable option is currently available using a persons first or last name, could you please point me to the reference so I can learn how to use mailman. kind regards, john ---end of message--- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/tech-mail %40prupref.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] question about mailman...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Chilton wrote: Is it possible to use mailman with variables that will enable more personalization to a message. Yes. If the variable option is currently available using a persons first or last name, could you please point me to the reference so I can learn how to use mailman. See this FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.015.htp - -- Todd OpenPGP - KeyID: 0xD654075A | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp A hacker's interpretation of the 1st 2nd amendments: They can have my computer when they pry the gun from my cold dead fingers. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: When crypto is outlawed bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. iD8DBQE/FC5auv+09NZUB1oRAsVUAKCahpu+5J4d9zi4OaVPqcQZfNUi8wCgi1eW weZ/fug7ZCFTO9qkOIKX6Jc= =JVJv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman !!
I don't know anything about Ensim, but if it's even remotely Unix-y, you should be able to do an altinstall of Python 2.2.2 in /usr/local. E.g.: ./configure make make altinstall Then when you configure Mailman, use --with-python=/usr/local/bin/python2.2 Or stick with Mailman 2.0.13, which is compatible with Python 1.5.2. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 06:37:31PM -0400, Tony O wrote: Is there a limit to the number of subscribers the Mailman mailing list can have? No, but the web interface gets noticeably slower when you start having several tens of thousands. Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems security what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] question about Mailman
On Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:29:23 -0800 (PST) George Blazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please tell me ? does Mailman work for Win 2000? Not currently, and no current plans or interest in that direction. -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
