Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to moderate E-mail without webpanel ? using only e-mail commands ?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 04/04/2017 07:32 AM, Zalezny Niezalezny wrote:
> 
> is it possible to moderate Mailman newsletter E-mails without Mailman
> Webpanel ?
> 
> So, user (administrator) sending newsletter e-mail to
> 
> l...@example.com


Set the list so all posters are moderated so all posts are held.

Set the list's admin_immed_notify (under Notifications on the General
Options page) to Yes.

Then a post to the list will be held and a notice sent to the owners and
moderators.

The notice will contain 3 MIME parts. The first part is a notice about
the held message. The second part is the message itself. The third part
is a message that says:

If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is spam.
If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the
list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the
list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the
body of the reply.

There are two things to note about this. The message in the second MIME
part is the message as received my the list. It has not been content
filtered or decorated with header and/or footer, so it is not exactly
what a list member will see.

The other thing is "If you reply to this message" in the 3rd MIME part
refers to the message which is the 3rd part, not the whole notice. It's
not critical that you actually "reply", but that message part is From:
the list-request address with Subject: confirm xx where xx is a
specific confirmation token for the held message, so to approve the held
message by email, you need to send a "reply" To: the list-request
address with Subject: confirm xx and with the first line of the body
being

Approved: 

where  is the list admin or moderator password.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What does "Possible malformed path attack" actually mean?

[Sebastian Hagedorn]

--On 12. September 2016 um 18:06:14 -0700 Mark Sapiro  
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On 09/12/2016 12:02 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:


So far I haven't been able to understand what is going on. I can't find
any questionable requests in Apache's access log from the GSA. Any ideas
what could be causing this?



It is caused by an attempt to get a mailman URL that contains spaces or
characters not in the printable ascii set [\x21-\x7e].

The reason behind this is to disallow CR and LF in particular. This was
a security enhancement in Mailman 2.1.9. From the NEWS

- A malicious user could visit a specially crafted URI and inject an
  apparent log message into Mailman's error log which might induce an
  unsuspecting administrator to visit a phishing site.  This has been
  blocked.  Thanks to Moritz Naumann for its discovery.


Thanks. I figured out that the GSA is appending %20 to one of our many 
lists name:


134.95.x.x - - [13/Sep/2016:11:33:22 +0200] "GET 
/mailman/listinfo/list-name%20 HTTP/1.0" 200 7630 "-" "gsa-crawler 
(Enterprise; T4-X; redac...@uni-koeln.de)"


Now we only have to understand why ...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] What does "Possible malformed path attack" actually mean?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/12/2016 12:02 PM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
> 
> So far I haven't been able to understand what is going on. I can't find
> any questionable requests in Apache's access log from the GSA. Any ideas
> what could be causing this?


It is caused by an attempt to get a mailman URL that contains spaces or
characters not in the printable ascii set [\x21-\x7e].

The reason behind this is to disallow CR and LF in particular. This was
a security enhancement in Mailman 2.1.9. From the NEWS

- A malicious user could visit a specially crafted URI and inject an
  apparent log message into Mailman's error log which might induce an
  unsuspecting administrator to visit a phishing site.  This has been
  blocked.  Thanks to Moritz Naumann for its discovery.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to hide email addresses...

[Mark Sapiro]

On 5/30/11 3:14 PM, marci Boskie's Mama =^..^= wrote:
   My question is ... is there a way to set the system so that the email
 addresses of  the people writing in dont show up on the digest ?
[...]
 I d love to be able find a way to hide the email addresses
 from being displayed. ... so that just the name would show ( as in my
 case, the marci Boskie's Mama part .. but not the email address in the
 brackets  ...


You can easily do the first by setting your list anonymous by setting
anonymous_list to Yes on the list admin General Options page. However,
anonymous lists replace the From: address with the list's address so
there will be no header left in the mail that identifies the poster's
name or address.

This may or may not be a solution for you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to use html in footer for all emailssent to list?

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Nick Putman wrote:

I am trying to set up mailman for the first time and would like to add 
an html image link into the footer of each email that is sent to the 
list.  At the moment all I am seeing is the raw html.

So far I have changed the following settings:

1. Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion 
happens after MIME attachments have been stripped. - set to no

2. Made sure all users have 'plain' unchecked


This has no effect on individual messages. It only affects the format
of the digest for digest subscribers.


3. Added 'text/html' to pass mime types

But still I am just getting the html and not the image link.


Because msg_footer is always either appended to the body of a simple
text/plain message or added as a separate text/plain part. Thus any
HTML in the footer is displayed as text rather than rendered as HTML.

Without modifying the code that adds the footer to the message, there's
nothing you can do about this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to configure Mailman to receive/sendOutlook encrypted email messages?

[Mark Sapiro]

Wang, Mary Y wrote:

Is it possible to configure Mailman to receive/send Outlook encrypted email 
messages?


If you mean to decrypt an incoming message encrypted with a list's key
and then to re-encrypt each outgoing message with the recipient's key,
no such capability exists in the standard distribution, but there is a
patch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558189 which may be
of interest to you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to delay messages?

[Mark Sapiro]

James Reid wrote:

What I would like to now do is move to a sort of half-way ground of
permitting many members to send messages out un-moderated again.  However,
I'd like to give the impression that the list is still fully moderated by
creating an automated delay for all un-moderated subscribers (possibly even
2-3 hours, though a random interval would be even better) between when their
messages are received and when they are sent out to the list.

I'm using a combination of postfix and mailman... can anyone give me a
suggestion of how I could create a delay somewhere?


You'd have to do it in Postfix. Mailman has no facility for this. You
might for example be able to use header_checks to identify a message
to, but not from the list and HOLD it, and then run some periodic cron
that would release messages from the HOLD queue.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a list loses its members?

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Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:


I'm at a loss to explain what might have happened. Any ideas?


What is in the bounce log?  The automatic bounce processing could have 
unsubscribed them, although I would have thought that the results of that 
would show up in the subscribe log.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a list loses its members?

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Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
|
| we're running Mailman 2.1.9. Today I encountered something that's a
| mystery to me. A few weeks ago we created a list using our custom
| list-creation script that we always use. The list was apparently created
| correctly, like they always are. There were three initial list members
| and I can see them being added in /var/log/mailman/subscribe. Our script
| adds members using the add_members tool.
|
| Every Saturday we run a cronjob that looks for empty lists, i.e. lists
| with no members. The list in question popped up. So I wrote to the list
| owner to ask him why the list was empty. He was completely unaware of
| that. He had received the notifications about the new list members when
| the list was created and nothing since. That's corroborated by the fact
| that there are no unsubscribe lines in any of the log files. Still the
| list was empty.
|
| I'm at a loss to explain what might have happened. Any ideas?


I can't explain what happened, but the only way I can see something like
this happening is if there was a failure in list locking. I.e. if some
other process was updating the list at the same time that add_members
was running and the other process locked the list first, then
add_members locked the list, added the members and saved and unlocked
the list, and finally the other process saved the list without the members.

I don't think this can result from a simple failure of some process to
lock the list since an unlocked list cannot be saved, and locking a list
refreshes the data. If there is an issue, it has to be in the locking
mechanism itself, but this seems sound and there are no known issues
with this, although coincidentally (and I'm sure it's just a rare and
strange coincidence) I saw an apparent locking failure last week. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2008-May/020190.html.

So now we have two reports of possible locking failures. We'll have to
keep watching.


Brad Knowles wrote:
| What is in the bounce log?  The automatic bounce processing could have
| unsubscribed them, although I would have thought that the results of that
| would show up in the subscribe log.

Yes - unsubscribes by bounce processing are logged in the subscribe
log as is every other removal of a member except for low level
manipulation by a withlist or other script.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a list loses its members?

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-- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] is rumored to have mumbled on 20. Mai 
2008 12:32:50 -0500 regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a 
list loses its members?:



I'm at a loss to explain what might have happened. Any ideas?


What is in the bounce log?


Nothing.


The automatic bounce processing could have
unsubscribed them, although I would have thought that the results of that
would show up in the subscribe log.


Yup. But see my next reply.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a list loses its members?

[Sebastian Hagedorn]

-- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] is rumored to have mumbled on 20. Mai 
2008 10:52:34 -0700 regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a 
list loses its members?:



| I'm at a loss to explain what might have happened. Any ideas?


I can't explain what happened, but the only way I can see something like
this happening is if there was a failure in list locking.


Right, that's what we thought ourselves. The member adding is logged and we 
verifed that the notification mails got sent, but it appears that both 
those actions occur *before* the members are actually added.



I.e. if some
other process was updating the list at the same time that add_members
was running and the other process locked the list first, then
add_members locked the list, added the members and saved and unlocked
the list, and finally the other process saved the list without the
members.


The other process would probably(?) be the config_list command. Some more 
detail. We found the following just before the list was created:


May 09 14:54:25 2008 (10586) admin.py access for non-existent list: listname
May 09 14:54:25 2008 (11122) admin.py access for non-existent list: listname

The member adding happened just two minutes later:

May 09 14:56:29 2008 (13495) listname: new [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Now the script we use to create new lists does this:

new_list();
write_config_file();
config_list();
add_members();
demod_members();
send_mail();

new_list() calls newlist, config_list() calls config_list, and 
add_members() calls add_members - not much of a surprise, I guess.



I don't think this can result from a simple failure of some process to
lock the list since an unlocked list cannot be saved, and locking a list
refreshes the data. If there is an issue, it has to be in the locking
mechanism itself, but this seems sound and there are no known issues
with this, although coincidentally (and I'm sure it's just a rare and
strange coincidence) I saw an apparent locking failure last week. See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2008-May/020190.html
.

So now we have two reports of possible locking failures. We'll have to
keep watching.


There were instances before where listowner talked of strange phenomena, 
but there never was any proof. I admit I never believed them ...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a list loses its members?

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Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
| -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] is rumored to have mumbled on 20. Mai
| 2008 10:52:34 -0700 regarding Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible that a
| list loses its members?:
|
| | I'm at a loss to explain what might have happened. Any ideas?
|
|
| I can't explain what happened, but the only way I can see something like
| this happening is if there was a failure in list locking.
|
| Right, that's what we thought ourselves. The member adding is logged and
| we verifed that the notification mails got sent, but it appears that
| both those actions occur *before* the members are actually added.


Actually, no. The members are added before the log is written and the
notices sent. See the ApprovedAddMember method in Mailman/MailList.py.
What has to happen is after the members are added and the config.pck is
saved, some other process has to overwrite the config.pck with one that
doesn't have the added members (at least assuming you don't have a
custom member adaptor that keeps membership elsewhere).


| I.e. if some
| other process was updating the list at the same time that add_members
| was running and the other process locked the list first, then
| add_members locked the list, added the members and saved and unlocked
| the list, and finally the other process saved the list without the
| members.
|
| The other process would probably(?) be the config_list command. Some
| more detail. We found the following just before the list was created:
|
| May 09 14:54:25 2008 (10586) admin.py access for non-existent list:
| listname
| May 09 14:54:25 2008 (11122) admin.py access for non-existent list:
| listname


These are apparently from attempted web access to the admin interface
for the list before it is created.


| The member adding happened just two minutes later:
|
| May 09 14:56:29 2008 (13495) listname: new [EMAIL PROTECTED],


Two minutes is forever in terms of what we're talking about. Even two
seconds is a long time.


| Now the script we use to create new lists does this:
|
| new_list();
| write_config_file();
| config_list();
| add_members();
| demod_members();
| send_mail();
|
| new_list() calls newlist, config_list() calls config_list, and
| add_members() calls add_members - not much of a surprise, I guess.


Are these synchronous calls?  What would have to happen is something
like the following:

config_list is called. It instantiates the list with a lock. It then
reads its input and updates its in memory copy of the list.

While this is going on, add_members is called. It instantiates the list
with a lock., but somehow this fails to wait for config_list to
relinquish its lock. add_members adds the members and saves and unlocks
the updated list.

Then config_list finishes processing and saves its updated list which
doesn't have the members.

This scenario is hypothetical. It depends on list locking to fail
somehow at a low level. It can't result from a coding error in one of
the processes as long as they use standard list methods because a
process can't lock a list without obtaining/refreshing the latest list
data, and a process can't save a list that isn't locked.

Another possible cause is if there was a temporary read error on
config.pck by the process immediately following add_members causing it
to fall back to config.pck.last, but this would be logged in Mailman's
error log.

What do demod_members() and send_mail() do. Is there anything there that
manipulates config.pck other than by standard MailList.MailList methods?


| I don't think this can result from a simple failure of some process to
| lock the list since an unlocked list cannot be saved, and locking a list
| refreshes the data. If there is an issue, it has to be in the locking
| mechanism itself, but this seems sound and there are no known issues
| with this, although coincidentally (and I'm sure it's just a rare and
| strange coincidence) I saw an apparent locking failure last week. See
| http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2008-May/020190.html
| .
|
| So now we have two reports of possible locking failures. We'll have to
| keep watching.
|
| There were instances before where listowner talked of strange phenomena,
| but there never was any proof. I admit I never believed them ...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to edit the html for the archivepage?

[Mark Sapiro]

Robin Lougee-Heimer wrote:

A mailman archive was inadvertently made public for a list I own (!) and 
I'm trying to clean up any pages that were cached by search engines. 

The way to flush the cache created by search engines is easy - just add an 
html tag in the header section of the webpage pages.  But I can't figure 
out how to access the html pages for the archive pages generated by 
mailman.  Is there a way?   (I didn't see this addressed in the faqs or in 
a quick scan of the documentation.)



Whether your list archives are public or private, the static HTML pages
are all in the archives/private/listname/ directories and can be
edited as you desire, but some pages such as the TOC and index pages
are rewritten as messages are added.

But, this won't do any good. When your archive was public, it was
accessed via the 'pipermail' alias. I.e. it was accessed via a URL of
the form http://www.example.com/pipermail/listname/ which accessed the
archive itself via a symlink in archives/public/. Now that the archive
is private, the symlink is gone, and that 'pipermail' URL no longer
works.

In any case, you need to just wait for the search engine to crawl your
site again, find that the URL now returns a 'not found' and drop its
cached page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to have subscribers in msg_footer?

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Eduardo Ellery wrote:

We run a few lists with less than 20 subscribers and everyone need to know
who is on the list.


No, you can't list all the subscribers in the footer, but you could
include something like

Membership List: %(web_page_url)sroster/$(list_name)s

in the footer to provide a link to the roster page.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to have subscribers in msg_footer?

[Brad Knowles]

On 12/7/07, Eduardo Ellery wrote:

  We run a few lists with less than 20 subscribers and everyone need to know
  who is on the list.

So far as I know, you cannot achieve this without making changes to 
the source code.

I didn't respond to your message the first time you posted it to the 
list (about two hours ago), because I didn't have a good answer for 
you.  I am responding now in the hopes that you will wait for answers 
from others who might have better answers, instead of just sending 
another copy of your message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Mark Sapiro schrieb:

 Incoming mail is harder, but it can be done using something like
 fetchmail to retrieve mail from a remote server. It can then be
 delivered to Mailman via someththing like procmail or by using
 Mailman's Maildir delivery.

So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail is 
easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail).

So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how 
do I go through this part:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html


Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make any 
sense:


# bin/genaliases
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## some-list mailing list
some-list:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list
some-list-admin:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list
some-list-bounces:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list
some-list-confirm:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list
some-list-join: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list
some-list-leave:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list
some-list-owner:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list
some-list-request:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list
some-list-subscribe:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list
some-list-unsubscribe:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list



Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox ([EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.), and 
fetchmail should fetch it to:

/path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/

?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

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At 11:56 AM 11/7/2007, you wrote:

So, I started to put the things together. As you said, outgoing mail 
is easy, and incoming mail is harder (but can be done with fetchmail).

So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - 
how do I go through this part:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html


Putting this into aliases file on a mail server surely wouldn't make 
any sense:


# bin/genaliases
To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or
equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the
`newaliases' program:

## some-list mailing list
some-list:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman post some-list
some-list-admin:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman admin some-list
some-list-bounces:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman bounces some-list
some-list-confirm:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman confirm some-list
some-list-join: |/path/mailman/mail/mailman join some-list
some-list-leave:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman leave some-list
some-list-owner:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman owner some-list
some-list-request:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman request some-list
some-list-subscribe:|/path/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe some-list
some-list-unsubscribe:  |/path/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe some-list



Should I just deliver all emails to one mailbox ([EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc.), and 
fetchmail should fetch it to:

/path/mailman/archives/private/some-list.mbox/

?

That won't work. You need to create each one of those aliases as a 
mailbox at your ISP. Then do a fetchmail on each one.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Brad Knowles]

On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

  So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how
  do I go through this part:

The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server 
and pass it on to the local MTA.  Therefore, you have to have a local 
MTA on the recipient machine.  For Mailman, you need something to 
read those aliases and do the right thing with the messages being 
processed.

This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or 
anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role 
of taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to 
the right program with the right command-line options.  The easiest 
way to do that is to run a real MTA on that server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Brad Knowles schrieb:
 On 11/7/07, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
 
  So, considering no MTA is running on a machine which runs mailman - how
  do I go through this part:
 
 The way fetchmail works, you download e-mail from the remote server and 
 pass it on to the local MTA.  Therefore, you have to have a local MTA on 
 the recipient machine.  For Mailman, you need something to read those 
 aliases and do the right thing with the messages being processed.

No, fetchmail can also work without a local MTA.
It can pass fetched emails to a local programs or scripts, like:

# cat /tmp/deliver.sh
#!/bin/bash

cat  /tmp/text



# fetchmail -u user -m /tmp/deliver.sh mail.server
Enter password for [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
1 message for user at mail.server.
reading message [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1 of 1 (1631 header octets). (5 body 
octets) flushed


And we have a mail written to /tmp/text.


 This local MTA doesn't have to be listening to any external ports or 
 anything, but you do need something on that system to fill that role of 
 taking the mail handed to it by fetchmail and then feeding that to the 
 right program with the right command-line options.  The easiest way to 
 do that is to run a real MTA on that server.

But I don't want or need any MTA here ;)

So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct 
email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a 
correct way. Anyone has it documented?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithouta MTA?

[Mark Sapiro]

Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:

But I don't want or need any MTA here ;)

So I guess it's just a matter of simple scripting: fetching correct 
email using fetchmail, and passing it to mail/mailman program in a 
correct way. Anyone has it documented?


You can fetch the mail from the remote mailbox with fetchmail and pass
it from fetchmail to procmail. Then in your .procmailrc you can set
recipes to deliver to the Mailman mail wrapper with appropriate
options.

Here's an example of procmail recipes used in a somewhat different
context:

# LISTNAME mailman list
:0
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman post LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-admin$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman admin LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-bounces$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-confirm$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-join$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman join LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-leave$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman leave LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-owner$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman owner LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-request$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman request LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-subscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe LISTNAME
:E
* EnvelopeTo ?? ^LISTNAME-unsubscribe$
|sudo -u mailman /var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe LISTNAME


In this case, EnvelopeTo is set to an argument passed to procmail, but
in your case with fetchmail from a single mailbox, the actual envelope
recipient probably isn't available, so you may need to look at To: and
Cc: headers instead which isn't as reliable.

The alternative as Dennis Putnam suggests is to create 10 mailboxes per
list at the remote. Then you can use fetchmail to fetch from a
specific mailbox and pipe to the wrapper with the appropriate
arguments.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?

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At 06:36 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?

I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and
receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't
find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation.

Any clues?

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking for but I have a Mandrake 
system on my DSL connected line without a static IP address. I have a 
couple of mailing lists running and use 'fetchmail'. I have mail 
boxes set up with my ISP and run 'fetchmail'  via 'cron' to get the 
incoming messages. My SMTP sever is configured to use my ISPs mail 
server for the outgoing messages.

If this is the kind of thing you are looking for let me know and we 
can discuss it further.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?

[Dennis Carr]

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:36:18 +0200
Tomasz Chmielewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?
 
 I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA,
 and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I
 didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation.

Not as near as I can tell (I could be wrong), but you can easily set up,
say, Postfix to just route everything through your ISP and not receive
mail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a hostwithout a MTA?

[Mark Sapiro]

Dennis Carr wrote:

On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:36:18 +0200
Tomasz Chmielewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?
 
 I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA,
 and receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I
 didn't find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation.

Not as near as I can tell (I could be wrong), but you can easily set up,
say, Postfix to just route everything through your ISP and not receive
mail.


Actually, it is possible to run Mailman without a local MTA. Outgoing
mail is easy.  Just set SMTPHOST and, if necessary, SMTPPORT in
mm_cfg.py to the appropriate values for the server you want to use. If
the server requires authentication and possibly TLS, see
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1798683group_id=103atid=300103
for a patch.

Incoming mail is harder, but it can be done using something like
fetchmail to retrieve mail from a remote server. It can then be
delivered to Mailman via someththing like procmail or by using
Mailman's Maildir delivery.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?

[Tomasz Chmielewski]

Dennis Putnam schrieb:
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 At 06:36 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
 Is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?

 I imagine mailman could easily send emails through an external MTA, and
 receive email using externam pop3 or imap account - however, I didn't
 find many hints about such setup in the fine documentation.

 Any clues?
 
 I'm not exactly sure what you are asking for but I have a Mandrake 
 system on my DSL connected line without a static IP address. I have a 
 couple of mailing lists running and use 'fetchmail'. I have mail 
 boxes set up with my ISP and run 'fetchmail'  via 'cron' to get the 
 incoming messages. My SMTP sever is configured to use my ISPs mail 
 server for the outgoing messages.
 
 If this is the kind of thing you are looking for let me know and we 
 can discuss it further.

All right, I forgot about fetchmail.

Was something non-standard needed to make mailman work with fetchmail/cron?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to set up mailman on a host without a MTA?

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At 02:32 PM 10/20/2007, you wrote:


All right, I forgot about fetchmail.

Was something non-standard needed to make mailman work with fetchmail/cron?


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No. It was a little tricky to set things up so my ISP would accept 
mail from my SMTP server. The main problem was getting it configured 
so my ISP could recognize it as a legitimate customer sending mail. 
The 'fetchmail' part was cake.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mike Peachey]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Mike Peachey wrote:
 
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 The above is a bit too simple. Something like

 def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
 if mlist.umbrella_list:
 del msg['x-no-archive']
 msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'

 is probably better to avoid creating multiple X-No-Archive: headers.

 Also, if you insert the handler prior to 'ToArchive', the message (any
 message to an umbrella list) will not be archived at all. If you
 insert the handler after 'ToArchive' but prior to 'ToOutgoing', the
 message will be archived in the archive of the first umbrella list it
 hits, but won't be archived in any subsequent lists which is probably
 more like what you want.


 This is just what I need, thank you!

 However it seems that the if mlist.umbrella_list: statement is 
 superfluous. On the assumption that the handler is being inserted AFTER 
 the first archiving, then surely it's safe to assume that no message 
 should be archived a second time and so ALL messages should get an 
 X-No-Archive as soon as they've been archived once.

 Let me know if I'm off base here.
 
 
 Sorry for the long delay in replying. I have been away with no online
 access.
 
 You are correct for what you want to accomplish. I.e. if you only want
 any message to be archived once in the archive of the first list it
 hits, then it is safe to add the X-No-Archive header to all messages
 after ToArchive and before ToOutging. However, there may be other
 cases where one might have a list (e.g. mailman-users@python.org)
 which is not an umbrella list and which has, e.g. a mail-archive.com
 or some other external archive address as a member to provide a
 searchable archive or some other archiving benefit, and in this case,
 one wouldn't want to send the message to the external archiver with an
 X-No-Archive header.
 

Thanks for the reply. Since all our lists are archived, this is the way 
we're dealing with it and it has been working well so far.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Peachey wrote:

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 
 The above is a bit too simple. Something like
 
 def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
 if mlist.umbrella_list:
 del msg['x-no-archive']
 msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'
 
 is probably better to avoid creating multiple X-No-Archive: headers.
 
 Also, if you insert the handler prior to 'ToArchive', the message (any
 message to an umbrella list) will not be archived at all. If you
 insert the handler after 'ToArchive' but prior to 'ToOutgoing', the
 message will be archived in the archive of the first umbrella list it
 hits, but won't be archived in any subsequent lists which is probably
 more like what you want.
 


This is just what I need, thank you!

However it seems that the if mlist.umbrella_list: statement is 
superfluous. On the assumption that the handler is being inserted AFTER 
the first archiving, then surely it's safe to assume that no message 
should be archived a second time and so ALL messages should get an 
X-No-Archive as soon as they've been archived once.

Let me know if I'm off base here.


Sorry for the long delay in replying. I have been away with no online
access.

You are correct for what you want to accomplish. I.e. if you only want
any message to be archived once in the archive of the first list it
hits, then it is safe to add the X-No-Archive header to all messages
after ToArchive and before ToOutging. However, there may be other
cases where one might have a list (e.g. mailman-users@python.org)
which is not an umbrella list and which has, e.g. a mail-archive.com
or some other external archive address as a member to provide a
searchable archive or some other archiving benefit, and in this case,
one wouldn't want to send the message to the external archiver with an
X-No-Archive header.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mike Peachey]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Make a custom handler (see
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.067.htp)
 that checks mlist.umbrella_list, and if true add an X-No-Archive:
 header to the message. E.g.

 def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
if mlist.umbrella_list:
msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'

 The handler has to be in the pipeline prior to 'ToArchive'.
 
 
 I should know better than to post code when I'm in a hurry, but ...
 
 The above is a bit too simple. Something like
 
 def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
 if mlist.umbrella_list:
 del msg['x-no-archive']
 msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'
 
 is probably better to avoid creating multiple X-No-Archive: headers.
 
 Also, if you insert the handler prior to 'ToArchive', the message (any
 message to an umbrella list) will not be archived at all. If you
 insert the handler after 'ToArchive' but prior to 'ToOutgoing', the
 message will be archived in the archive of the first umbrella list it
 hits, but won't be archived in any subsequent lists which is probably
 more like what you want.
 


This is just what I need, thank you!

However it seems that the if mlist.umbrella_list: statement is 
superfluous. On the assumption that the handler is being inserted AFTER 
the first archiving, then surely it's safe to assume that no message 
should be archived a second time and so ALL messages should get an 
X-No-Archive as soon as they've been archived once.

Let me know if I'm off base here.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mike Peachey]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
 Mike Peachey wrote:
 What I would like to do is filter what gets archived so that if a 
 message originates in mailman (ie from an umbrella list) it doesn't get 
 archived.
 
 
 I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're asking for, but you could just
 turn off archiving on all the umbrella lists so the posts are only
 archived in the 'final' lists.
 
 I know this results in duplicate archived messages for different
 'final' lists, but if I'm a member of listx, I want to see listx posts
 in listx's archive regardless of whether they came directly or via one
 or more umbrellas.
 

If only it were that easy, the problem I have is that I have list admins 
complaining to me (and my boss' boss) that their archive is polluted 
with messages from top-level lists and they want their archive to just 
contain messages sent directly to their list.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Peachey wrote:

If only it were that easy, the problem I have is that I have list admins 
complaining to me (and my boss' boss) that their archive is polluted 
with messages from top-level lists and they want their archive to just 
contain messages sent directly to their list.



Make a custom handler (see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.067.htp)
that checks mlist.umbrella_list, and if true add an X-No-Archive:
header to the message. E.g.

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
if mlist.umbrella_list:
msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'

The handler has to be in the pipeline prior to 'ToArchive'.


The header

X-Archive: No

also works.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Make a custom handler (see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.067.htp)
that checks mlist.umbrella_list, and if true add an X-No-Archive:
header to the message. E.g.

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
if mlist.umbrella_list:
msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'

The handler has to be in the pipeline prior to 'ToArchive'.


I should know better than to post code when I'm in a hurry, but ...

The above is a bit too simple. Something like

def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
if mlist.umbrella_list:
del msg['x-no-archive']
msg['X-No-Archive'] = 'Yes'

is probably better to avoid creating multiple X-No-Archive: headers.

Also, if you insert the handler prior to 'ToArchive', the message (any
message to an umbrella list) will not be archived at all. If you
insert the handler after 'ToArchive' but prior to 'ToOutgoing', the
message will be archived in the archive of the first umbrella list it
hits, but won't be archived in any subsequent lists which is probably
more like what you want.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/1/07, Mike Peachey wrote:

  What I would like to do is filter what gets archived so that if a
  message originates in mailman (ie from an umbrella list) it doesn't get
  archived.

If you write some custom code and put that into the appropriate 
handler, or you write your own custom handler, it should not be 
difficult to achieve what you're looking for.  Check the Mailman 
patches page at SourceForge, just in case someone has already done 
the same sort of thing.

Other than that, I am not personally aware of any obvious ways to 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to filter what is archived?

[Mark Sapiro]

Mike Peachey wrote:

What I would like to do is filter what gets archived so that if a 
message originates in mailman (ie from an umbrella list) it doesn't get 
archived.


I'm pretty sure this isn't what you're asking for, but you could just
turn off archiving on all the umbrella lists so the posts are only
archived in the 'final' lists.

I know this results in duplicate archived messages for different
'final' lists, but if I'm a member of listx, I want to see listx posts
in listx's archive regardless of whether they came directly or via one
or more umbrellas.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Brad Knowles]

On 6/26/07, TRON478 wrote:

  when i get a mail from my mail i can reply to the list via the adress

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  but i want to reply via

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  is this possible?

This is a client problem.  There is nothing in Mailman that prevents 
you from replying to whatever address you want.  What your client 
allows you to do, or makes easy for you to do, that's a completely 
different matter.  If your client isn't letting you do what you want 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] not to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

On 6/26/07, TRON478 wrote:

  when i get a mail from my mail i can reply to the list via the adress

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  but i want to reply via

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  is this possible?

This is a client problem.


Agreed.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq02.003.htp
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Re: [Mailman-Users] It's not possible to add new members

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:26 AM +0100 2006-01-03, Alexander Baldauf wrote:

  Python information:

  Variable Value
  sys.version  2.3+ (#1, Feb 7 2005, 18:30:23) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE Linux)]
  sys.executable   /usr/bin/python
  sys.prefix   /usr
  sys.exec_prefix  /usr
  sys.path /usr
  sys.platform linux2

Are you sure that this is the version of Python that is being 
used by Mailman?  Is there any other version of Python installed that 
might be used instead?  Can you confirm precisely which version of 
Python this is?

IIRC, Mailman 2.1.5 requires Python 2.3, but any later version of 
2.3.x should also work.  However, Python 2.4 may or may not work 
correctly with Mailman 2.1.5.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] It's not possible to add new members

[Alexander Baldauf]

Brad Knowles wrote:
 At 11:26 AM +0100 2006-01-03, Alexander Baldauf wrote:

  Python information:

  Variable Value
  sys.version 2.3+ (#1, Feb 7 2005, 18:30:23) [GCC 3.3.1 (SuSE 
 Linux)]
  sys.executable /usr/bin/python
  sys.prefix /usr
  sys.exec_prefix /usr
  sys.path /usr
  sys.platform linux2

 Are you sure that this is the version of Python that is being used 
 by Mailman?  Is there any other version of Python installed that might 
 be used instead?  Can you confirm precisely which version of Python 
 this is?

 IIRC, Mailman 2.1.5 requires Python 2.3, but any later version of 
 2.3.x should also work.  However, Python 2.4 may or may not work 
 correctly with Mailman 2.1.5.

Hi
yes, this is the only version of python running on this server.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] It's not possible to add new members

[Mark Sapiro]

Alexander Baldauf wrote:

last weekend, we updated mailman to version 2.1.5, but after the update, 
it's not possible to add new members to any list. There ist just a error 
message like this:


Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5


  We're sorry, we hit a bug!

If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy 
of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what 
happened. Thanks!


Traceback:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 175, in main
change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py, line 1339, in change_options
whence='admin mass sub')
TypeError: ApprovedAddMember() got an unexpected keyword argument 'whence'

snip

We searched in the admin.py but we didn't find the error.


I suspect this is some issue with the particular SuSE Mailman package
and patch level you installed. In the base source distribution of
Mailman 2.1.5, the

change_options(mlist, category, subcat, cgidata, doc)

is at line 175, but

mlist.ApprovedAddMember(userdesc, send_welcome_msg,
send_admin_notif, invitation,
whence='admin mass sub')

is at lines 1335-1337, not 1337-1339 (note I removed a level of
indentation in hopes the above wouldn't wrap).

The real question is what do you have for the definition of
ApprovedAddMember in Mailman/MailList.py? The base has at lines 897-898

def ApprovedAddMember(self, userdesc, ack=None, admin_notif=None,
text='',
  whence=''):

The whence= argument got added between 2.1.3 and 2.1.4 which seems to
say that your Mailman/MailList.py is older than 2.1.4.

Either this is some SuSE problem or you have residue of your old
version, some of which is being used.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible only allow plain text into messages?

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Hi everybody!

At first I want excuse my badly English.
Well does somenone know if it will be possible that it is only allowed
for  users to send mails to a list in plain text? Means that it is not
possible to send into an other format then text/plain?



Yes. Login to admin page for the list and click on Content Filtering.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible only allow plain text intomessages?

[Mark Sapiro]

Sasa Stupar wrote:

--On 11. oktober 2005 17:48 +0200 Hans Glomme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everybody!

 At first I want excuse my badly English.
 Well does somenone know if it will be possible that it is only allowed
 for  users to send mails to a list in plain text? Means that it is not
 possible to send into an other format then text/plain?


Yes. Login to admin page for the list and click on Content Filtering.

This is correct as far as it goes, but it is generally tricky because
the settings are not necessarily intuitive.

For example, simply putting text/plain in pass_mime_types would not
pass the message from Sasa to which I'm replying because that message
as sent to the mailman-users list was of type multipart/signed with
subparts of type text/plain and application/pgp-signature, and if
multipart or multipart/signed is not in pass_mime_types, the entire
message will be filtered.

See
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-November/041009.html
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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to have the admin get approval emailwhenever new email to list is sent or whenever a new usersubscribes?

[Mark Sapiro]

phil durning wrote:

is it possible to have the admin get approval email whenever new email to list 
is sent or whenever
a new user subscribes?

For approval of all e-mail, go to Privacy options...-Sender filters
and set default_member_moderation to Yes and member_moderation_action
to Hold. Then go to Membership Management...-Membership List and set
everyone's moderation bit On.

For subscription approval, go to Privacy options...-Subscription rules
and set subscribe_policy to either Require approval or Confirm and
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Re: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?

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|
|Excuse me for asking something that may be obvious or has been asked
|before. I searched the FAQ and archives and didn't find anything
|related. I am not the administrator for our installation of Mailman, I'm
|just a suit that has a question/suggestion.
|
|Is it possible to have the Accept selection ticked by default instead
|of Defer for Mailman's Moderator Administration page? If it's not
|possible, perhaps you can put it on your To Do list.
|
|
| I don't think you'd want this. If it worked this way, and you happened
| not to explicitly review and set each message before 'submitting all
| data' (say you didn't happen to scroll all the way down), then
| messages you hadn't seen would be approved.
You can do it in the code. I've done similar things to change
default behavior.
However, it does beg the question, why not just set
the default non-member action to accept, if that's
going to be the default action anyway? Then you can hand-add abusers
to blacklists elsewhere.


|
| Approving a message you haven't reviewed is a potentially more serious
| problem than forgetting to tick the approved box and having to do it a
| second time.
|
| That said, feature requests can be submitted at
| http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103atid=350103
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Re: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:46 AM -0500 2005-04-07, Rodger Copp wrote:
 One particular user from our organization regularly sends several
 emails to several moderated mailman lists. It is sufficient to simply
 see who the message is from and then Accept it.
	Then put their address on the whitelist, so that their messages 
are automatically accepted and you don't have to manually moderate 
them.

	This is a much better solution than taking the serious risk of 
accidentally approving a whole raft of spam messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?

[Mark Sapiro]

Rodger Copp wrote:

Excuse me for asking something that may be obvious or has been asked
before. I searched the FAQ and archives and didn't find anything
related. I am not the administrator for our installation of Mailman, I'm
just a suit that has a question/suggestion.

Is it possible to have the Accept selection ticked by default instead
of Defer for Mailman's Moderator Administration page? If it's not
possible, perhaps you can put it on your To Do list.

I don't think you'd want this. If it worked this way, and you happened
not to explicitly review and set each message before 'submitting all
data' (say you didn't happen to scroll all the way down), then
messages you hadn't seen would be approved.

Approving a message you haven't reviewed is a potentially more serious
problem than forgetting to tick the approved box and having to do it a
second time.

That said, feature requests can be submitted at
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103atid=350103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to use mailman without apache?

[Carfield Yim]

Thx, it work!

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:15:55 -0800, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Carfield Yim wrote:
 
 Actually I just want to approve a pending mail, can I do it with command
 line?
 
 I'm not sure about command line, but you can do it by e-mail. If
 admin_immed_notify is set to Yes, the notification message that is
 sent contains a message/rfc822 part similar to the following:
 
 --
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
 Subject: confirm 750c69674069227167abb400c93d75b58234d6f1
 Sender: listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
 Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
 spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
 with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
 to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
 of the body of the reply.
 ---
 
 Thus, you can actually send any message to the listname-request
 address with the confirm token command in the subject with an
 
 Approved: password
 
 header or first body line to approve the message or without Approved:
 to discard it.
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to use mailman without apache?

[Carfield Yim]

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:16:21 +0100, Brad Knowles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 At 3:27 PM +0800 2005-03-12, Carfield Yim wrote:
 
   Actually I just want to approve a pending mail, can I do it with command
   line?
 
 Yes.  The administrators of very large scale Mailman mailing
 lists are effectively required to do everything via the command line,
 because the web interface becomes virtually useless for them.
 
 However, I do not know the exact sequence of commands that would
 be required.
 
So... could anyone help me?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to use mailman without apache?

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:27 PM +0800 2005-03-12, Carfield Yim wrote:
 Actually I just want to approve a pending mail, can I do it with command
 line?
	Yes.  The administrators of very large scale Mailman mailing 
lists are effectively required to do everything via the command line, 
because the web interface becomes virtually useless for them.

	However, I do not know the exact sequence of commands that would 
be required.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to use mailman without apache?

[Mark Sapiro]

Carfield Yim wrote:

Actually I just want to approve a pending mail, can I do it with command
line?

I'm not sure about command line, but you can do it by e-mail. If
admin_immed_notify is set to Yes, the notification message that is
sent contains a message/rfc822 part similar to the following:

--
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Subject: confirm 750c69674069227167abb400c93d75b58234d6f1
Sender: listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact,
Mailman will discard the held message.  Do this if the message is
spam.  If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header
with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting
to the list.  The Approved: header can also appear in the first line
of the body of the reply.
---

Thus, you can actually send any message to the listname-request
address with the confirm token command in the subject with an

Approved: password

header or first body line to approve the message or without Approved:
to discard it.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to add the Description field onthelist create web interface?

[Brian Ensor]

Worked perfectly.

Many Thanks!

-Brian

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 24 February 2005 05:50
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to add the 
 Description field onthelist create web interface?
 
 Brian Ensor wrote:
 
 I do want to make the description field mandatory on list 
 creation, so
 modifying the Mailman/Cgi/create.py is most likely the route 
 I would like to
 pursue.
 
 In viewing the config and determining the changes to be 
 made, I would be
 editing as follows:
 
 def process_request(doc, cgidata):
 # Lowercase the listname since this is treated as the 
 internal name.
 listname = cgidata.getvalue('listname', '').strip().lower()
 owner= cgidata.getvalue('owner', '').strip()
 # Added following line to support description field
 description = cgidata.getvalue('description', '').strip()
 
 
 Looks OK
 
 
 # Sanity Check
 # Added following line to support description field
 if not description:
 request_creation(doc, cgidata,
  _('You forgot to specify the list 
 description'))
 return
 
 
 The issue here is _() is an i18n method to substitute text in the
 appropriate language for the English text. As long as you're only
 dealing in English, this won't be a problem, but this message won't be
 available in other languages.
 
 
 # And send the notice to the list owner.
# Added description to mlist 
text = Utils.maketext(
 'newlist.txt',
 {'listname': listname,
  'password': password,
  'admin_url'   : mlist.GetScriptURL('admin', absolute=1),
  'listinfo_url': mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', 
 absolute=1),
  'requestaddr' : mlist.GetRequestEmail(),
  'siteowner'   : siteadmin,
  'description' : description,
  }, mlist=mlist)
 
 
 This only adds 'description' and it's value to the dictionary for
 interpolation into the template. You still need to edit the
 newlist.txt template (see
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp)
 to include appropriate text with '%(description)s' to receive the
 description.
 
 
 # in Dummy section modify page text to indicate requirement 
 for description
 pYou also need to enter the email address of the 
 initial list owner
 and
 a brief description of the list. Once the list is 
 created, the list
 owner
 will be given notification, along with the initial list 
 password.  The
 list owner will then be able to modify the password and 
 add or remove
 additional list owners.
 
 # Also in Dummy section
 safedescription = 
 Utils.websafe(cgidata.getvalue('description', ''))
 ftable.AddRow([Label(_('Brief description of list:')),
TextBox('description', safedescription)])
 ftable.AddCellInfo(ftable.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
 ftable.AddCellInfo(ftable.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
 
 
 I am not sure if the information above is 100% correct, but 
 I believe it is.
 The part that is not addressed above is the actual list 
 creation.  This is
 called by mlist.Create, which I believe is from the 
 /Mailman/MailList.py
 file.  Here is how I believe the call should be done in create.py to
 accomplish what I want:
 
 # Added description to this command line
 mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs, emailhost,
 description)
 
 
 Do not change the mlist.Create() call.
 
 
 Now that I am passing another parameter, how can I ensure it 
 is handled
 correctly?  Will there be some changes required in 
 MailList.py or another
 file to make sure the field is handled correctly?  Is description the
 correct name to use?
 
 
 You don't pass the parameter in the Create() call.
 
 You 'update' it after the list is created. Just before the last
 'finally:' in the outer of three 'try:'s around the Create() 
 you'll see
 
 # Initialize the host_name and web_page_url 
 attributes, based on
 # virtual hosting settings and the request environment
 variables.
 mlist.default_member_moderation = moderate
 mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % hostname
 mlist.host_name = emailhost
 
 add after this and before mlist.Save()
 
 mlist.description = description
 
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to add the Description field on thelist create web interface?

[Brian Ensor]

Thanks for the reply.  I have moved a little forward on this problem as
such:

I do want to make the description field mandatory on list creation, so
modifying the Mailman/Cgi/create.py is most likely the route I would like to
pursue.

In viewing the config and determining the changes to be made, I would be
editing as follows:

def process_request(doc, cgidata):
# Lowercase the listname since this is treated as the internal name.
listname = cgidata.getvalue('listname', '').strip().lower()
owner= cgidata.getvalue('owner', '').strip()
# Added following line to support description field
description = cgidata.getvalue('description', '').strip()

# Sanity Check
# Added following line to support description field
if not description:
request_creation(doc, cgidata,
 _('You forgot to specify the list description'))
return

# And send the notice to the list owner.
   # Added description to mlist 
   text = Utils.maketext(
'newlist.txt',
{'listname': listname,
 'password': password,
 'admin_url'   : mlist.GetScriptURL('admin', absolute=1),
 'listinfo_url': mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1),
 'requestaddr' : mlist.GetRequestEmail(),
 'siteowner'   : siteadmin,
 'description' : description,
 }, mlist=mlist)

# in Dummy section modify page text to indicate requirement for description
pYou also need to enter the email address of the initial list owner
and
a brief description of the list. Once the list is created, the list
owner
will be given notification, along with the initial list password.  The
list owner will then be able to modify the password and add or remove
additional list owners.

# Also in Dummy section
safedescription = Utils.websafe(cgidata.getvalue('description', ''))
ftable.AddRow([Label(_('Brief description of list:')),
   TextBox('description', safedescription)])
ftable.AddCellInfo(ftable.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
ftable.AddCellInfo(ftable.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)


I am not sure if the information above is 100% correct, but I believe it is.
The part that is not addressed above is the actual list creation.  This is
called by mlist.Create, which I believe is from the /Mailman/MailList.py
file.  Here is how I believe the call should be done in create.py to
accomplish what I want:

# Added description to this command line
mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs, emailhost,
description)

Now that I am passing another parameter, how can I ensure it is handled
correctly?  Will there be some changes required in MailList.py or another
file to make sure the field is handled correctly?  Is description the
correct name to use?

I know this may be now getting into something that may need to be submitted
to the developers list, but I am not a programmer and figured this list
would be the one to start on.

Thanks in advance for any help.

-Brian




 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 22 February 2005 18:42
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to add the 
 Description field on thelist create web interface?
 
 Brian Ensor wrote:
 
 We have an issue with lists being created and having to rely on the
 list admins to input a list description.  We would like to have the
 list creator be able to input the list name and description 
 when using
 the web interface.  Is there a way to modify this
 'http://yourserver/mailman/create' page to include this at the time
 of creation?
 
 Not without modifying the Mailman/Cgi/create.py module which produces
 and processes the page.
 
 The alternative is for the list creator to go immediately to the list
 admin pages and set real_name and description. Granted, this is not as
 convenient as having it on the create page and is not enforceable,
 but it's the best you can do without hacking create.py.
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to add the Description field onthelist create web interface?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Ensor wrote:

I do want to make the description field mandatory on list creation, so
modifying the Mailman/Cgi/create.py is most likely the route I would like to
pursue.

In viewing the config and determining the changes to be made, I would be
editing as follows:

def process_request(doc, cgidata):
# Lowercase the listname since this is treated as the internal name.
listname = cgidata.getvalue('listname', '').strip().lower()
owner= cgidata.getvalue('owner', '').strip()
# Added following line to support description field
description = cgidata.getvalue('description', '').strip()


Looks OK


# Sanity Check
# Added following line to support description field
if not description:
request_creation(doc, cgidata,
 _('You forgot to specify the list description'))
return


The issue here is _() is an i18n method to substitute text in the
appropriate language for the English text. As long as you're only
dealing in English, this won't be a problem, but this message won't be
available in other languages.


# And send the notice to the list owner.
   # Added description to mlist 
   text = Utils.maketext(
'newlist.txt',
{'listname': listname,
 'password': password,
 'admin_url'   : mlist.GetScriptURL('admin', absolute=1),
 'listinfo_url': mlist.GetScriptURL('listinfo', absolute=1),
 'requestaddr' : mlist.GetRequestEmail(),
 'siteowner'   : siteadmin,
 'description' : description,
 }, mlist=mlist)


This only adds 'description' and it's value to the dictionary for
interpolation into the template. You still need to edit the
newlist.txt template (see
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.048.htp)
to include appropriate text with '%(description)s' to receive the
description.


# in Dummy section modify page text to indicate requirement for description
pYou also need to enter the email address of the initial list owner
and
a brief description of the list. Once the list is created, the list
owner
will be given notification, along with the initial list password.  The
list owner will then be able to modify the password and add or remove
additional list owners.

# Also in Dummy section
safedescription = Utils.websafe(cgidata.getvalue('description', ''))
ftable.AddRow([Label(_('Brief description of list:')),
   TextBox('description', safedescription)])
ftable.AddCellInfo(ftable.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
ftable.AddCellInfo(ftable.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)


I am not sure if the information above is 100% correct, but I believe it is.
The part that is not addressed above is the actual list creation.  This is
called by mlist.Create, which I believe is from the /Mailman/MailList.py
file.  Here is how I believe the call should be done in create.py to
accomplish what I want:

# Added description to this command line
mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs, emailhost,
description)


Do not change the mlist.Create() call.


Now that I am passing another parameter, how can I ensure it is handled
correctly?  Will there be some changes required in MailList.py or another
file to make sure the field is handled correctly?  Is description the
correct name to use?


You don't pass the parameter in the Create() call.

You 'update' it after the list is created. Just before the last
'finally:' in the outer of three 'try:'s around the Create() you'll see

# Initialize the host_name and web_page_url attributes, based on
# virtual hosting settings and the request environment
variables.
mlist.default_member_moderation = moderate
mlist.web_page_url = mm_cfg.DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN % hostname
mlist.host_name = emailhost

add after this and before mlist.Save()

mlist.description = description


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to add the Description field on thelist create web interface?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brian Ensor wrote:

We have an issue with lists being created and having to rely on the
list admins to input a list description.  We would like to have the
list creator be able to input the list name and description when using
the web interface.  Is there a way to modify this
'http://yourserver/mailman/create' page to include this at the time
of creation?

Not without modifying the Mailman/Cgi/create.py module which produces
and processes the page.

The alternative is for the list creator to go immediately to the list
admin pages and set real_name and description. Granted, this is not as
convenient as having it on the create page and is not enforceable,
but it's the best you can do without hacking create.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to do a system-wide message?

[Brad Knowles]

At 10:12 AM + 2005-02-04, Rod Neep wrote:
 Is it possible (and how) for the administrator to do a system-wide
 announcement post that will appear on every mailing list?
	You could post to every list individually, or you could create an 
umbrella list which includes every list as a subscriber.  Other 
than that, I'm not aware of anything.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to set up and run Mailman withoutroot access?

[Mark Sapiro]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is it possible to set up and run Mailman 2.1.5 without root access?

The short answer is No.

This is on a shared Linux server where we have access to only one user, and
do not want to give RW access to other users.
So in addition to not having root, we don't want to use the 02775
permissions.  Ideally we would run with just 705 permissions.

You probably could install Mailman as your user and group, but then you
would have to make the web server run scripts as that user and make
the incoming MTA/MDA pipe the incoming mail to mailman as that user
and this would break Mailman's security in addition to probably
allowing RW access from the web to everything you own.

In any case, you would probably need root or some other high level of
access to make the necessary web server and MTA configuration changes
to support your Mailman.

Anyone have any experience with this kind of environment?
It seems to me that there must be other folks out there who have a hosting
service that is shared and that restricts root access.
I hope you'll share your experience.

I think in most cases of people hosting Mailman lists on restricted
access shared servers, the server administrators have installed
Mailman and the users have only the ability to administer their own
lists within the installation.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to set up and run Mailman without root access?

[Brad Knowles]

At 1:20 PM -0800 2005-01-30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is it possible to set up and run Mailman 2.1.5 without root access?
I'm pretty sure that's not possible.
 It seems to me that there must be other folks out there who have a hosting
 service that is shared and that restricts root access.
 I hope you'll share your experience.
If you find anyone that has managed to do it, please let us know.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info?

[Rob Hackney]

Thanks that does appear to be it...So, just got to quickly learn python
then

Now that I know where to edit I found this:
http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
Could be useful for other peeps?





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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info?

[Brad Knowles]

At 9:08 AM +0100 2004-07-22, Rob Hackney wrote:
 Now that I know where to edit I found this:
 http://nleaudio.com/bnotes/mailman.htm
 Could be useful for other peeps?
	Considering the sorts of things he's recommending and the kind of 
information we already have in the FAQ (see 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.001.htp), 
this is not something that I would recommend to other people, and I 
would be strongly opposed to anyone else recommending this site to 
anyone else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible to edit rfc info?

[Jeff Barger]

On Jul 21, 2004, at 8:26 AM, Rob Hackney wrote:
I don't know if this is possible  but I'd like to ask anyway.
Although I can disable sending rfc2369 using Mailman I'd rather not.
Is there a way of removing certain parts of it and am I allowed to do
that?
If still interested:
I wish to remove the url references to the webserver for unsubscribing
as this
will not be available to subscribers.  Unsubbing and all other requests
will be
acceptable of course  via email .  I've read thru the rfc and I'm a bit
confused as to whether to
use whitespace instead of the urls/ delete them or add a leading
comment.
Any pointers or help greatly appreciated as I've looked thru faqs/
archives/ googles etc
and can't quite find what I want.
I'm pretty sure you'd have to modify the CookHeaders handler to do 
anything different with those headers.

-Jeff
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Re: [Mailman-Users] is it possible to customize subscription successwelcome message?

[mailman]

On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Patrick Hsieh wrote:

 Hello all,

 I've read the FAQ and can't find any idea about this.

(assuming v2.0.x; the same or very similar will certainly apply to
v2.1 as well)

How about List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome
message?  This is in the admin interface, under General Options
(i.e., the first page), the 6th item down from the top.

- Andrew

  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is this possible?

[Jon Carnes]

Should work fine.  I assume that your mail is queued up for you while your
site is down...

You will need internal aliases for the list itself and for the list-request
address as well as the list-admin address.

Jon Carnes
- Original Message -
From: Robin Lynn Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Is this possible?


 We have Mailman installed on a Mandrake Linux 8.1.  We have been testing
 internally on our LAN as a local mailing list and it works as advertised.

 Now, here comes the really strange question.  Our office is in a very
remote
 area and uses solar power as its sole source of electricity.  For that
 reason, 24/7 computer operation and static IP addresses are not possible.
We
 have the usual hosted web and mail services.  The email client used here
is
 capable of redirecting mail to a specific address (ie.,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to a local address such as [EMAIL PROTECTED]  My
 question is can anyone tell me if this approach will work, or if there is
a
 better way??  TIA!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible

[Fil]

@ Yanek Korff ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) :
 This cannot be done on a global scale?

Yes, just modify the template file located in 
/home/mailman/templates/listinfo.html

 Then edit the contents of the web pages, remove that option.
 
 from the admin/listname page, the link for doing this is in the
 second column, marked * Edit the HTML for the public list pages

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible

[J C Lawrence]

On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400 
Yanek Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 to disable peoples' ability to subscribe if we set up a server to
 do nothing but handle mail archives?

Sure, just don't enable the request/etc aliases.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Is it possible

[Yanek Korff]

Well the problem is people are going to the web site, entering their login
information and receiving something from the server saying reply to confirm.
So the user thinks it's working.  No email goes to blah-request until the
user attempts to confirm, at which point it bounces...  If Subscribe Here
weren't on the web page, that would be a whole lot cleaner.

-Yanek.

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On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:03:43 -0400 
Yanek Korff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 to disable peoples' ability to subscribe if we set up a server to
 do nothing but handle mail archives?

Sure, just don't enable the request/etc aliases.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Is is possible to...

[Dave Sherohman]

On Tue, Feb 06, 2001 at 09:10:11AM -0500, Peter Dominguez wrote:
 Store a subscriber's real name along with their e-mail address when a user
 subscribes. i.e. "real name [EMAIL PROTECTED]

OpenSourceZealotry
Of course it's possible - you have the source!
/OpenSourceZealotry

More to the point, though, no, the standard Mailman code base doesn't support
that.  It only deals with addresses and isn't even aware that addresses are
associated with users or that users have names.

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