Re: [MlMt] Widescreen layout: possible to have 2-row message list
> On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:27 AM, Sam Hathaway wrote: > > Apple Mail and Outlook have a layout where each item in the message list > occupies two rows. It would be nice to have this in MailMate as well. I am > experimenting with the Widescreen layout and I’m finding that I’d rather have > more space for Correspondents and Subject than have more total messages shown. +1 !! Bob Stern ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Hi Peter, On 24 September 2019, at 0427, Peter Borsella wrote: Hello, Shoshanna, I’ve gone ahead and submitted the whitelisting requests to PIA, but while waiting for that I also ran a quick experiment of simply changing the VPN server, and voila, my email went out! Thanks again. More reinforcement is needed, but that’s in progress. Whilst we're slightly veering off course from MailMate, I will chime in here as I went through a similar headache and it might be useful for those trawling the archives in the future to have something else to check. From what you've reported, Peter, my sense is that you MAY have encountered the same issue I did with PIA, and is part of why I ceased using them and will not use them again in the future. PIA does not route all of your packets via the same path. The destination port plays a part in the routing decisions that PIA makes for which exit-node to send your VPN'd packets through. What this means in very simple terms is that even if you're connected to a PIA endpoint in, say, Ontario, Canada, not all of your network traffic will *actually* go through PIA's Ontario locations. Depending on the destination *port* of the activity you are generating, you may find that PIA will route your traffic via Europe or some other unexpected destination. Many of the most popular ports, such as 80 and 443 for web traffic will definitely go via the advertised endpoint, but, other ports, including those which may be associated with SMTP and IMAP (such as for email), or anything running on "non standard" ports, may not be. I had a very long, and very frustrating, back and forth discussion with PIA about this, but, this is a feature of their platform. From what I gathered, it's also somewhat dependent upon the VPN endpoint you may select...in other words, not all endpoints may do this destination-port based re-routing of your packets. Therefore, your disconnecting and reconnecting to another VPN server could well fit in with the above. It was actually using MailMate which helped me figure this out about PIA...whilst trying to connect to some private mail servers, and running into connectivity and authentication woes, I noticed that the IP address of the inbound connection was NOT the IP address of my VPN connection. If you have your own Internet accessible server, this is pretty trivial to test yourself - I just ran a tcpdump on my destination server, and from my PIA VPN'd machine, ran a series of nmap sessions, for all ports, 1-65535, TCP and UDP. The results were shocking (horrifying for me), with loads of traffic being routed via AS43350 (NForce, Netherlands) even though my chosen VPN endpoint was on the other side of the world - but, again, it wasn't all ports, but certainly a huge number of them. Anyway, reading your symptoms made me recall this experience with PIA. Glad you have a working solution and your email is flowing! Regards, Scott ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Changing the default source mailbox for smart folders
On 23 Sep 2019, at 13:03, Tim April via mailmate wrote: I keep running into an issue where the application freezes for multiple minutes when creating a new Smart Mailbox. I believe that the cause is the default source mailbox is “All Messages”, which in my case is ~1M messages right now. I believe that the initial source mailbox for a new smart mailbox will be the one that is selected when you create the smart mailbox. So just select a different (and perhaps more appropriate) mailbox before doing so, and see if that works better? Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Hi, Rob, I just sent an update addressing Shoshanna that a simple change of the VPN server in the PIA app did the trick. However, I’d like to continue researching how all of this is set up, so I greatly appreciate all of the information you yourself have provided. Regards, Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 11:34, rob.mailm...@robertwillett.com wrote: Peter, All of the information about you was found in two quick web addresses checks. I can see that somebody else already runs PIA, so I'd suggest you follow their advice first and if that doesn't work, then do my stuff. The fact it works for another person manes it should work for you. Let us know how it goes. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:54, Peter Borsella wrote: Thank you gain, Rob. Your quite the detective, and I’m sorry about not giving more details. Your guess is right about the PIA tool, and you’re also on the money about Gmail as Florida. I’ll go ahead and run your additional investigative steps and get the results posted. It may take me a bit of time (I’m also simultaneously working). ...Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 10:33, rob.mailm...@robertwillett.com wrote: Peter, You don't need to be a network engineer to get VPN's to work. Indeed my 78 year old mother recently setup a VPN so she could access location restricted TV series content by herself. I have to admit I was a little surprised but hey ho Anyway the key to getting help is to provide concise (but complete) information in as simple a summary as possible. Including specific information such as the names of the tool helps, e.g. Private Internet Access tool doesn't give much to go on, if I search on that, I get lots of VPN's that could be that, but none that is definitely that. I'm guessing your service is from https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ but thats a guess. Noe the fact that you have outbound traffic issues makes me assume that your network provider is external to your local network, and that you possibly use an external mail provider, gmail is a guess but could be anything. If I check your website, you're possibly based in Florida but originally in Pennsylvania? Anyway, a quick check on your MX record seems to indicate that you're using Google as your mail provider https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3awinnowmanagement.com=toolpage# Mmm... now Google might have put restrictions on how you access your email account and you may have fallen foul of these. I have never used Google for email so am now wholly in the dark. What I'd first of all do is: Connection to 'whatsmyip.com' and see what IP address you are connecting to that website as. Write the address down. Then fire up your VPN and try and connect to 'whatsmyip.com' again and now see what it says. Write the address down. If you can't connect to whatsmyip.com then you have an outgoing fault and your VPN isn't working properly. You will get a while new IP address if your VPN is working. Open up a terminal window on your Mac. Got to Applications->Utilities->Terminal. Type in nslookup news.bbc.co.uk and cut and paste the output to a mail. If you have no issues connecting to whatsmyip.com, fire up mailmate, open up the Activity Window in Windows->Activity viewer and try and send an email. If it fails you should get an error log. Post all this into a mail we can see the error you are getting. Hope this helps. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Peter Borsella wrote: Hello, Rob, I’m not much of a network engineer, so I’m expecting I’ll need to explore more about what’s going on as I simultaneously learn. I’m encouraged that you find it surprising that I’m having difficulty with my VPN, having thought it was “normal.” I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. If there’s any more details I can provide to assist in trouble shooting this, any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:25, Rob Willett via mailmate wrote: Peter, Your issue is very unlikely to be Mailmate, but rather how your VPN is configured. I have 3 VPN providers as I have to have specific ones for specific clients. Things that come to mind: 1, As people have already said DNS may be one issue. You already have suggestions for this. 2. It may block outgoing traffic. You need to provide more information on the VPN you use to know if this is an issue. 3. You may your VPN doing some odd routing, so that stuff that should be internal is going externally. Unlikely but seen it happen. Your comment that using a VPN and having expected issues is not what I would expect at all. I would expect configuration issues with Tunnelblck (which for some reason hates me, mind you I hate it), but we use
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Hello, Shoshanna, I’ve gone ahead and submitted the whitelisting requests to PIA, but while waiting for that I also ran a quick experiment of simply changing the VPN server, and voila, my email went out! Thanks again. More reinforcement is needed, but that’s in progress. ...Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 10:30, Shoshanna Green wrote: On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:38, Peter Borsella wrote: I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. I too use PIA as my VPN (excellent, would recommend). You may need to ask PIA to whitelist your SMTP server; contact their support. (See https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/helpdesk/kb/articles/why-can-t-i-send-email-when-on-the-vpn.) I use Gmail, and despite PIA having whitelisted the relevant servers, I do occasionally find that email won't go out. I just switch to a different VPN server and try again, and it invariably works. I expect that Google switches things around unpredictably behind the scenes, and PIA can't always keep up. You could try similarly switching servers before asking PIA for help. As a last resort, you don't need to quit and relaunch Mailmate, by the way (I assume you meant "turn off the VPN" rather than "turn on the VPN"). Quitting the VPN will allow mail to go through if the problem is indeed due to the VPN blocking SMTP traffic. Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Changing the default source mailbox for smart folders
Hello, I’m fairly new to MailMate (downloaded last week at the suggestion of some friends). I am working to setup all of my smart folders in a way that works for me and I keep running into an issue where the application freezes for multiple minutes when creating a new Smart Mailbox. I believe that the cause is the default source mailbox is “All Messages”, which in my case is ~1M messages right now. Running into this issue often, I have found myself searching a couple times for a way to switch the default source for smart mailboxes, or to delay processing of the changes until I save. Am I missing a hidden preference or work around that I have not been able to uncover using google? Thanks, --tim ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Grouping mailing lists
Grrr.. That 2nd-to-last paragraph should've read, Now I do **NOT** have to tag anything to exclude. I can work out of the Universal Inbox knowing that all the newsletters are already excluded automatically. -- Robert On 18 Sep 2019, at 15:49, Robert DelRossi wrote: Charlie -- I was the one who got you down the path of tagging incoming mailing list messages in the first place. But something Max Rydahl Andersen said got me considering a different, cleaner approach. I'm not sure it will work for you, but here is what I did: First, I created a new smart mailbox called "Universal Inbox." The goal for the Universal Inbox is a place that I can work that isn't cluttered by all my various newsletter subscriptions. On the Universal Inbox I set its Mailboxes tab to a two-part "all" condition: * Condition 1 is the built-in "All Messages" mailbox. That brings in every message from every server I use (Google, Business, Personal, etc). * Condition 2 of the compound is set to "None of the following mailboxes" and here I list every other Smart Mailbox that I don't want to see, like all my newsletter and the one I have to this MailMate List.  Now I do have to tag anything to exclude. I can work out of the Universal Inbox knowing that all the newsletters are already excluded automatically. Hope this might be helpful to you. -- Robert On 11 Sep 2019, at 8:45, Charlie Clark wrote: On 10 Sep 2019, at 18:03, Charlie Clark wrote: I think I've got this working for me. I've created some additional smart mailboxes (Python, Web, etc.) and put the mailing lists I want in these. I then set a rule for all mailing lists to be tagged as Mailing List. Then I excluded the selected mailing lists from the general mailing list mailbox. Then I set a condition for my accounts and their inboxes to ignore anything tagged mailing list. I initially tried setting the condition tags does not exist for the inboxes but that didn't work as expected. Okay, this doesn't work quite as expected. Once a new mail arrives on a list, the list gets added to the general Mailing Lists folder but does not appear in the dedicated mailbox. I can appreciate this is because of the slightly circular logic and can work around it, but it would be nice if something like this could be added. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Peter, All of the information about you was found in two quick web addresses checks. I can see that somebody else already runs PIA, so I'd suggest you follow their advice first and if that doesn't work, then do my stuff. The fact it works for another person manes it should work for you. Let us know how it goes. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 15:54, Peter Borsella wrote: Thank you gain, Rob. Your quite the detective, and I’m sorry about not giving more details. Your guess is right about the PIA tool, and you’re also on the money about Gmail as Florida. I’ll go ahead and run your additional investigative steps and get the results posted. It may take me a bit of time (I’m also simultaneously working). ...Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 10:33, rob.mailm...@robertwillett.com wrote: Peter, You don't need to be a network engineer to get VPN's to work. Indeed my 78 year old mother recently setup a VPN so she could access location restricted TV series content by herself. I have to admit I was a little surprised but hey ho Anyway the key to getting help is to provide concise (but complete) information in as simple a summary as possible. Including specific information such as the names of the tool helps, e.g. Private Internet Access tool doesn't give much to go on, if I search on that, I get lots of VPN's that could be that, but none that is definitely that. I'm guessing your service is from https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ but thats a guess. Noe the fact that you have outbound traffic issues makes me assume that your network provider is external to your local network, and that you possibly use an external mail provider, gmail is a guess but could be anything. If I check your website, you're possibly based in Florida but originally in Pennsylvania? Anyway, a quick check on your MX record seems to indicate that you're using Google as your mail provider https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3awinnowmanagement.com=toolpage# Mmm... now Google might have put restrictions on how you access your email account and you may have fallen foul of these. I have never used Google for email so am now wholly in the dark. What I'd first of all do is: Connection to 'whatsmyip.com' and see what IP address you are connecting to that website as. Write the address down. Then fire up your VPN and try and connect to 'whatsmyip.com' again and now see what it says. Write the address down. If you can't connect to whatsmyip.com then you have an outgoing fault and your VPN isn't working properly. You will get a while new IP address if your VPN is working. Open up a terminal window on your Mac. Got to Applications->Utilities->Terminal. Type in nslookup news.bbc.co.uk and cut and paste the output to a mail. If you have no issues connecting to whatsmyip.com, fire up mailmate, open up the Activity Window in Windows->Activity viewer and try and send an email. If it fails you should get an error log. Post all this into a mail we can see the error you are getting. Hope this helps. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Peter Borsella wrote: Hello, Rob, I’m not much of a network engineer, so I’m expecting I’ll need to explore more about what’s going on as I simultaneously learn. I’m encouraged that you find it surprising that I’m having difficulty with my VPN, having thought it was “normal.” I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. If there’s any more details I can provide to assist in trouble shooting this, any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:25, Rob Willett via mailmate wrote: Peter, Your issue is very unlikely to be Mailmate, but rather how your VPN is configured. I have 3 VPN providers as I have to have specific ones for specific clients. Things that come to mind: 1, As people have already said DNS may be one issue. You already have suggestions for this. 2. It may block outgoing traffic. You need to provide more information on the VPN you use to know if this is an issue. 3. You may your VPN doing some odd routing, so that stuff that should be internal is going externally. Unlikely but seen it happen. Your comment that using a VPN and having expected issues is not what I would expect at all. I would expect configuration issues with Tunnelblck (which for some reason hates me, mind you I hate it), but we use hardwired versions of that as well as Bitdefender and Viscosity. I like Viscosity :) More information helps here. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:08, Peter Borsella wrote: Thanks for the quick response. I’m not familiar with using this DNS, but now have something to research. On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:01, Robert Brenstein wrote: You may want to try using a
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Two suggestions I hadn’t considered, Shoshanna, thank you! I’ll get that support ticket out to PIA, and will try simply switching to a different VPN server. On 23 Sep 2019, at 10:30, Shoshanna Green wrote: On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:38, Peter Borsella wrote: I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. I too use PIA as my VPN (excellent, would recommend). You may need to ask PIA to whitelist your SMTP server; contact their support. (See https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/helpdesk/kb/articles/why-can-t-i-send-email-when-on-the-vpn.) I use Gmail, and despite PIA having whitelisted the relevant servers, I do occasionally find that email won't go out. I just switch to a different VPN server and try again, and it invariably works. I expect that Google switches things around unpredictably behind the scenes, and PIA can't always keep up. You could try similarly switching servers before asking PIA for help. As a last resort, you don't need to quit and relaunch Mailmate, by the way (I assume you meant "turn off the VPN" rather than "turn on the VPN"). Quitting the VPN will allow mail to go through if the problem is indeed due to the VPN blocking SMTP traffic. Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Peter, You don't need to be a network engineer to get VPN's to work. Indeed my 78 year old mother recently setup a VPN so she could access location restricted TV series content by herself. I have to admit I was a little surprised but hey ho Anyway the key to getting help is to provide concise (but complete) information in as simple a summary as possible. Including specific information such as the names of the tool helps, e.g. Private Internet Access tool doesn't give much to go on, if I search on that, I get lots of VPN's that could be that, but none that is definitely that. I'm guessing your service is from https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ but thats a guess. Noe the fact that you have outbound traffic issues makes me assume that your network provider is external to your local network, and that you possibly use an external mail provider, gmail is a guess but could be anything. If I check your website, you're possibly based in Florida but originally in Pennsylvania? Anyway, a quick check on your MX record seems to indicate that you're using Google as your mail provider https://mxtoolbox.com/SuperTool.aspx?action=a%3awinnowmanagement.com=toolpage# Mmm... now Google might have put restrictions on how you access your email account and you may have fallen foul of these. I have never used Google for email so am now wholly in the dark. What I'd first of all do is: Connection to 'whatsmyip.com' and see what IP address you are connecting to that website as. Write the address down. Then fire up your VPN and try and connect to 'whatsmyip.com' again and now see what it says. Write the address down. If you can't connect to whatsmyip.com then you have an outgoing fault and your VPN isn't working properly. You will get a while new IP address if your VPN is working. Open up a terminal window on your Mac. Got to Applications->Utilities->Terminal. Type in nslookup news.bbc.co.uk and cut and paste the output to a mail. If you have no issues connecting to whatsmyip.com, fire up mailmate, open up the Activity Window in Windows->Activity viewer and try and send an email. If it fails you should get an error log. Post all this into a mail we can see the error you are getting. Hope this helps. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:38, Peter Borsella wrote: Hello, Rob, I’m not much of a network engineer, so I’m expecting I’ll need to explore more about what’s going on as I simultaneously learn. I’m encouraged that you find it surprising that I’m having difficulty with my VPN, having thought it was “normal.” I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. If there’s any more details I can provide to assist in trouble shooting this, any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:25, Rob Willett via mailmate wrote: Peter, Your issue is very unlikely to be Mailmate, but rather how your VPN is configured. I have 3 VPN providers as I have to have specific ones for specific clients. Things that come to mind: 1, As people have already said DNS may be one issue. You already have suggestions for this. 2. It may block outgoing traffic. You need to provide more information on the VPN you use to know if this is an issue. 3. You may your VPN doing some odd routing, so that stuff that should be internal is going externally. Unlikely but seen it happen. Your comment that using a VPN and having expected issues is not what I would expect at all. I would expect configuration issues with Tunnelblck (which for some reason hates me, mind you I hate it), but we use hardwired versions of that as well as Bitdefender and Viscosity. I like Viscosity :) More information helps here. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:08, Peter Borsella wrote: Thanks for the quick response. I’m not familiar with using this DNS, but now have something to research. On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:01, Robert Brenstein wrote: You may want to try using a different DNS provider when tunneling over VPN, like Google’s 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 for example. Some VPN services have their own DNS as an option as well. On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote: Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:38, Peter Borsella wrote: I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. I too use PIA as my VPN (excellent, would recommend). You may need to ask PIA to whitelist your SMTP server; contact their support. (See https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/helpdesk/kb/articles/why-can-t-i-send-email-when-on-the-vpn.) I use Gmail, and despite PIA having whitelisted the relevant servers, I do occasionally find that email won't go out. I just switch to a different VPN server and try again, and it invariably works. I expect that Google switches things around unpredictably behind the scenes, and PIA can't always keep up. You could try similarly switching servers before asking PIA for help. As a last resort, you don't need to quit and relaunch Mailmate, by the way (I assume you meant "turn off the VPN" rather than "turn on the VPN"). Quitting the VPN will allow mail to go through if the problem is indeed due to the VPN blocking SMTP traffic. Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Widescreen layout: possible to have 2-row message list
Apple Mail and Outlook have a layout where each item in the message list occupies two rows. It would be nice to have this in MailMate as well. I am experimenting with the Widescreen layout and I’m finding that I’d rather have more space for Correspondents and Subject than have more total messages shown. Message list items currently: ``` [F] [Correspondents] [T] [Subject ] [Date Received] ``` (F=flag, T=outline knob) Message list ideally: ``` [T] [Subject] [F] [Date Received] [Correspondents ] ``` You get the idea. :) Any chance this is possible? If not, consider it a feature request. :) -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Signatures "learn" too aggressively
Benny, I have a signature that I’d like to use only when I’m sending FROM a certain account TO a certain mailing list. Both new messages and replies BUT no other messages. So I set up a new signature and listed my FROM address in the “Address(es)” field. MailMate immediately learned by example to use my new signature when I address a message to the mailing list, but over time it seems to be trying to use the signature in other cases as well. For example, if someone was CC’d on a message to the mailing list, and I later send an off-list message to them, it tries to use the signature. This is frustrating because I don’t always catch it and end up sending a confusing sig. Is there any way to explain to MailMate that I really only want it to use the sig when this mailing list is a recipient? Ideally I’d like is to be able to give MailMate hard-and-fast rules for when to use each signature, without it trying to “learn” what I prefer. Thanks and great product as usual! -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Hello, Rob, I’m not much of a network engineer, so I’m expecting I’ll need to explore more about what’s going on as I simultaneously learn. I’m encouraged that you find it surprising that I’m having difficulty with my VPN, having thought it was “normal.” I’m using the PIA (Private Internet Access) tool. And, my problem is indeed related to outbound traffic, with Mailmate telling me that it can’t send messages, leaving them for re-attempts in my Draft folder. I then turn on the VPN, close Mailmate, launch again, the mail goes out without a hitch. If there’s any more details I can provide to assist in trouble shooting this, any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Peter On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:25, Rob Willett via mailmate wrote: Peter, Your issue is very unlikely to be Mailmate, but rather how your VPN is configured. I have 3 VPN providers as I have to have specific ones for specific clients. Things that come to mind: 1, As people have already said DNS may be one issue. You already have suggestions for this. 2. It may block outgoing traffic. You need to provide more information on the VPN you use to know if this is an issue. 3. You may your VPN doing some odd routing, so that stuff that should be internal is going externally. Unlikely but seen it happen. Your comment that using a VPN and having expected issues is not what I would expect at all. I would expect configuration issues with Tunnelblck (which for some reason hates me, mind you I hate it), but we use hardwired versions of that as well as Bitdefender and Viscosity. I like Viscosity :) More information helps here. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:08, Peter Borsella wrote: Thanks for the quick response. I’m not familiar with using this DNS, but now have something to research. On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:01, Robert Brenstein wrote: You may want to try using a different DNS provider when tunneling over VPN, like Google’s 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 for example. Some VPN services have their own DNS as an option as well. On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote: Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Peter, Your issue is very unlikely to be Mailmate, but rather how your VPN is configured. I have 3 VPN providers as I have to have specific ones for specific clients. Things that come to mind: 1, As people have already said DNS may be one issue. You already have suggestions for this. 2. It may block outgoing traffic. You need to provide more information on the VPN you use to know if this is an issue. 3. You may your VPN doing some odd routing, so that stuff that should be internal is going externally. Unlikely but seen it happen. Your comment that using a VPN and having expected issues is not what I would expect at all. I would expect configuration issues with Tunnelblck (which for some reason hates me, mind you I hate it), but we use hardwired versions of that as well as Bitdefender and Viscosity. I like Viscosity :) More information helps here. Rob On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:08, Peter Borsella wrote: Thanks for the quick response. I’m not familiar with using this DNS, but now have something to research. On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:01, Robert Brenstein wrote: You may want to try using a different DNS provider when tunneling over VPN, like Google’s 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 for example. Some VPN services have their own DNS as an option as well. On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote: Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
Thanks for the quick response. I’m not familiar with using this DNS, but now have something to research. On 23 Sep 2019, at 9:01, Robert Brenstein wrote: You may want to try using a different DNS provider when tunneling over VPN, like Google’s 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 for example. Some VPN services have their own DNS as an option as well. On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote: Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
You may want to try using a different DNS provider when tunneling over VPN, like Google’s 8.8.8.8/8.8.4.4 for example. Some VPN services have their own DNS as an option as well. On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote: Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] VPN conflicts
On 23 Sep 2019, at 14:41, Peter Borsella wrote: Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter I regularly have VPNs of all kinds running and **never** have problems with e-mail, except when a VPN is required for something like Outlook. But many VPNs also act as firewalls in which case they **might** be blocking outgoing ports, as some ISPs also like to do. So: what kind of VPN do you have? Do you get any logging from it? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] VPN conflicts
Good Day, All, I am using a VPN tool on my Mac, and have experienced as might be expected that emails do not flow with the VPN active. However, are there any settings or workarounds that would still allow me to keep my VPN turned on while exchanging emails? Thanks...Peter Peter Borsella, President **Winnow Management** PO Box 1046 Pompano Beach, FL 33061 Office: 954-784-3674 Mobile: 954-253-3761 Fax:954-301-5829 @pborsella Now available, Certified ScrumMaster for Industry! Head to our website for our full class schedule and early registration pricing! http://www.winnowmanagement.com CONFIDENTIALITY: This email and any associated files contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this email in error please notify the sender and delete this email from your system. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
