[MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-14 Thread Dave Smith

Hello!

I'm a new user to MailMate, and so far I absolutely love it. There is 
one thing that keeps tripping me up, however, that I'm hoping you all 
can help with…


I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of 
them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that 
when I use the `Move to Mailbox…` feature, it allows me to move an 
email message to **ANY** mailbox/label…even if that label is in a 
different account. I find this confusing and I'm constantly adding 
messages to the wrong place. Is there a way to limit the scope of this 
feature to only allow messages to be moved into mailboxes associated 
with that account source?


Cheers,
Dave Smith, PE
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-16 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:

I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of 
them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that 
when I use the `Move to Mailbox…` feature, it allows me to move an 
email message to **ANY** mailbox/label…even if that label is in a 
different account. I find this confusing and I'm constantly adding 
messages to the wrong place. Is there a way to limit the scope of this 
feature to only allow messages to be moved into mailboxes associated 
with that account source?


There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even 
as default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.


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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-16 Thread temjeito
In the interim, perhaps you could bind separate keystrokes to move to 
each mailbox/label that has a similar name. For example, if you have 
four accounts and each has a “Pending” mailbox, assign p-1, p-2, 
p-3, and p-4 or a-p, b-p, c-p, and d-p, etc. to move to each mailbox.


On 16 Apr 2016, at 8:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:

I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many 
of them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed 
that when I use the `Move to Mailbox…` feature, it allows me to 
move an email message to **ANY** mailbox/label…even if that label 
is in a different account. I find this confusing and I'm constantly 
adding messages to the wrong place. Is there a way to limit the scope 
of this feature to only allow messages to be moved into mailboxes 
associated with that account source?


There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even 
as default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. 
Thanks.


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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Karl Erik Jessen

+1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account

FWIW:
In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to move 
messages **inside** accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never 
seen the possibility to move messages between accounts.


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On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:

I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many 
of them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed 
that when I use the `Move to Mailbox…` feature, it allows me to 
move an email message to **ANY** mailbox/label…even if that label 
is in a different account. I find this confusing and I'm constantly 
adding messages to the wrong place. Is there a way to limit the scope 
of this feature to only allow messages to be moved into mailboxes 
associated with that account source?


There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even 
as default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. 
Thanks.


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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Dave Smith
Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability on
any platform.

Dave Smith, PE
@devunwired
On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen"  wrote:

> +1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account
>
> FWIW:
> In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to move
> messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never seen
> the possibility to move messages between accounts.
>
> --
> Karl Erik Jessen
> Farum DK
>
> On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>
> On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of
> them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that when
> I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email message
> to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different account. I
> find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong place.
> Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow messages to
> be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?
>
> There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even as
> default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.
>
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Melton Low
I use this feature periodically. It's useful under some circumstance. 
Maybe a warning if the message is being moved to another account.


Mel

On 17 Apr 2016, at 9:57, Dave Smith wrote:

Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages 
to
be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that 
ability on

any platform.

Dave Smith, PE
@devunwired
On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen"  
wrote:



+1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account

FWIW:
In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to 
move
messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never 
seen

the possibility to move messages between accounts.

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Farum DK

On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:

I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many 
of
them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that 
when
I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email 
message
to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different 
account. I
find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong 
place.
Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow 
messages to

be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?

There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe 
even as

default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Patrik Fältström
No please. It is one of the strengths of MailMate (as many have said) to be 
able to move messages between mailboxes without any restrictions. There are 
more clients that can do it, including Mail.App btw, but the behaviour in 
MailMate is perfect!

Explain more what issues you see with it, and maybe there is where the issue is.

   Patrik

On 17 Apr 2016, at 18:07, Melton Low wrote:

> I use this feature periodically. It's useful under some circumstance. Maybe a 
> warning if the message is being moved to another account.
>
> Mel
>
> On 17 Apr 2016, at 9:57, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
>> be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability on
>> any platform.
>>
>> Dave Smith, PE
>> @devunwired
>> On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen"  wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account
>>>
>>> FWIW:
>>> In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to move
>>> messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never seen
>>> the possibility to move messages between accounts.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Karl Erik Jessen
>>> Farum DK
>>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of
>>> them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that when
>>> I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email message
>>> to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different account. I
>>> find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong place.
>>> Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow messages to
>>> be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?
>>>
>>> There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even as
>>> default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Shoshanna Green

On 17 Apr 2016, at 12:10, Patrik Fältström wrote:

It is one of the strengths of MailMate (as many have said) to be able 
to move messages between mailboxes without any restrictions.


I too rely on this functionality.

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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Paul Sture

On 17 Apr 2016, at 20:23, Shoshanna Green wrote:


On 17 Apr 2016, at 12:10, Patrik Fältström wrote:

It is one of the strengths of MailMate (as many have said) to be able 
to move messages between mailboxes without any restrictions.


I too rely on this functionality.



This functionality is also very useful when moving from one email 
provider to another.


It's how I moved from POP3 to IMAP (using Apple Mail IIRC).

Simple drag and drop, then let it churn as the messages come down from 
the old source

and upload to the new one.
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Dave Smith
Please, I'm not saying kill the feature entirely. I imagine people use it
or the tool wouldn't work that way by default. I just would like to be able
to turn it off as it doesn't mesh well with my own workflow.

Dave Smith, PE
@devunwired
On Apr 17, 2016 10:10 AM, "Patrik Fältström"  wrote:

No please. It is one of the strengths of MailMate (as many have said) to be
able to move messages between mailboxes without any restrictions. There are
more clients that can do it, including Mail.App btw, but the behaviour in
MailMate is perfect!

Explain more what issues you see with it, and maybe there is where the
issue is.

   Patrik

On 17 Apr 2016, at 18:07, Melton Low wrote:

> I use this feature periodically. It's useful under some circumstance.
Maybe a warning if the message is being moved to another account.
>
> Mel
>
> On 17 Apr 2016, at 9:57, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
>> be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability
on
>> any platform.
>>
>> Dave Smith, PE
>> @devunwired
>> On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen" 
wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account
>>>
>>> FWIW:
>>> In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to move
>>> messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never seen
>>> the possibility to move messages between accounts.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Karl Erik Jessen
>>> Farum DK
>>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of
>>> them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that
when
>>> I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email
message
>>> to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different account. I
>>> find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong
place.
>>> Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow
messages to
>>> be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?
>>>
>>> There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even
as
>>> default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Patrik Fältström
Hmm.let me think...

Ok! ;-)

Just kidding!

Of course it is better the more people get the features they get.

Hey, this is why we all use this excellent software, right?

   Best, Patrik

On 17 Apr 2016, at 20:32, Dave Smith wrote:

> Please, I'm not saying kill the feature entirely. I imagine people use it or 
> the tool wouldn't work that way by default. I just would like to be able to 
> turn it off as it doesn't mesh well with my own workflow.
>
> Dave Smith, PE
> @devunwired
> On Apr 17, 2016 10:10 AM, "Patrik Fältström"  wrote:
>
> No please. It is one of the strengths of MailMate (as many have said) to be 
> able to move messages between mailboxes without any restrictions. There are 
> more clients that can do it, including Mail.App btw, but the behaviour in 
> MailMate is perfect!
>
> Explain more what issues you see with it, and maybe there is where the issue 
> is.
>
>Patrik
>
> On 17 Apr 2016, at 18:07, Melton Low wrote:
>
>> I use this feature periodically. It's useful under some circumstance.
> Maybe a warning if the message is being moved to another account.
>>
>> Mel
>>
>> On 17 Apr 2016, at 9:57, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
>>> be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability
> on
>>> any platform.
>>>
>>> Dave Smith, PE
>>> @devunwired
>>> On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen" 
> wrote:
>>>
 +1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account

 FWIW:
 In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to move
 messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never seen
 the possibility to move messages between accounts.

 --
 Karl Erik Jessen
 Farum DK

 On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

 On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:

 I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of
 them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that
> when
 I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email
> message
 to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different account. I
 find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong
> place.
 Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow
> messages to
 be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?

 There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even
> as
 default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
Really?  The standard iOS mail client lets you -- when you select 'Move' 
and
get the folder list, there's a button labeled 'Accounts' in the upper 
left.

Select one, and then the folder within it.

That's probably a better approach than a global option, since by default 
it
scope-limits the move but it's easy to override -- and know which 
account

you're moving to -- as necessary.

On 17 Apr 2016, at 11:57, Dave Smith wrote:

Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages 
to
be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that 
ability on

any platform.

Dave Smith, PE
@devunwired
On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen"  
wrote:



+1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account

FWIW:
In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to 
move
messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never 
seen

the possibility to move messages between accounts.

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Farum DK

On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:

I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many 
of
them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that 
when
I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email 
message
to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different 
account. I
find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong 
place.
Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow 
messages to

be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?

There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe 
even as

default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.

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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Dave Smith
Dave Smith, PE
@devunwired
On Apr 17, 2016 1:13 PM, "Steven M. Bellovin"  wrote:
>
> Really?  The standard iOS mail client lets you -- when you select 'Move'
and
> get the folder list, there's a button labeled 'Accounts' in the upper
left.
> Select one, and then the folder within it.

I don't use iOS, so perhaps that statement was a bit far reaching ;)

>
> That's probably a better approach than a global option, since by default
it
> scope-limits the move but it's easy to override -- and know which account
> you're moving to -- as necessary.
>

Agreed. I like maintaining the hierarchy. It helps make those options more
clear.

>
> On 17 Apr 2016, at 11:57, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
>> be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability
on
>> any platform.
>>
>> Dave Smith, PE
>> @devunwired
>> On Apr 17, 2016 9:55 AM, "Karl Erik Jessen" 
wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for the ability to restrict moving messages to only inside account
>>>
>>> FWIW:
>>> In mailclients for iOS it seems to be the normal behavior only to move
>>> messages *inside* accounts. I have tried between 5 or 10 and never seen
>>>
>>> the possibility to move messages between accounts.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Karl Erik Jessen
>>> Farum DK
>>>
>>> On 16 Apr 2016, at 14:36, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>>
>>> On 14 Apr 2016, at 23:14, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I have four email accounts set up in MailMate (all Gmail), and many of
>>> them contain labels with the same or similar names. I've noticed that
when
>>> I use the Move to Mailbox… feature, it allows me to move an email
message
>>> to *ANY* mailbox/label…even if that label is in a different account. I
>>>
>>> find this confusing and I'm constantly adding messages to the wrong
place.
>>> Is there a way to limit the scope of this feature to only allow
messages to
>>> be moved into mailboxes associated with that account source?
>>>
>>> There's no way to do that, but it does make a lot of sense. Maybe even
as
>>> default behavior (and an option to change it). I'll note it. Thanks.
>>>
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Arnold DeRoy
On 17 Apr 2016, at 11:57, Dave Smith wrote:

> Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
> be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability on
> any platform.
>
> Dave Smith, PE
> @devunwired
——

I use this feature daily, please do not remove. It is a rather handy option.

As for other mail clients that can do so (that I know of:
Mulberry
Sylpheed
Claws-mail
Pegasus (WinXX)

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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-17 Thread Joel Esler
Mail on the Desktop does this as well.  Don't know if that's been mentioned.  

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> On Apr 17, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Arnold DeRoy  wrote:
> 
>> On 17 Apr 2016, at 11:57, Dave Smith wrote:
>> 
>> Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages to
>> be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that ability on
>> any platform.
>> 
>> Dave Smith, PE
>> @devunwired
> ——
> 
> I use this feature daily, please do not remove. It is a rather handy option.
> 
> As for other mail clients that can do so (that I know of:
> Mulberry
> Sylpheed
> Claws-mail
> Pegasus (WinXX)
> 
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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-18 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 17 Apr 2016, at 20:30, Paul Sture wrote:

This functionality is also very useful when moving from one email 
provider to another.


It's how I moved from POP3 to IMAP (using Apple Mail IIRC).

Simple drag and drop, then let it churn as the messages come down from 
the old source

and upload to the new one.


I should have been more clear in my original reply. The question was 
related to the “Move to Mailbox...” interface and in this context it 
would make sense for a majority of users to restrict the set of 
available mailboxes to the same account as the selected message. If I 
implement this then it would be optional behavior and *maybe* the 
default behavior would change.


I had no intention to make such an option affect what can be done when 
dragging messages.


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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-18 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 17 Apr 2016, at 21:14, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

Really?  The standard iOS mail client lets you -- when you select 
'Move' and
get the folder list, there's a button labeled 'Accounts' in the upper 
left.

Select one, and then the folder within it.


It makes sense that the “Move to Mailbox...” interface would make it 
easy to override any future option to restrict the set of mailboxes 
shown. I'll keep that in mind.


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Re: [MlMt] Limiting Mailbox Scope to Current Account

2016-04-20 Thread Bill Cole

On 17 Apr 2016, at 11:57, Dave Smith wrote:

Honestly, I was shocked to discover it was even possible, for messages 
to
be moved to another email account. Never seen a client with that 
ability on

any platform.


Classic Mac Eudora could from its earliest IMAP support (v3?)
Thunderbird could since at least v2
Mulberry always could.
Apple Mail can on iOS since at least v4 and Yosemite and I'm pretty sure 
always could.

K-9 on Android could circa 2010-2012 (probably still can)
ChatterEmail v3 could on PalmOS

So, it isn't exactly an unusual or novel feature.
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