Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 13 Jan 2017, at 17:19, Mike Petonic wrote: I don't have any experience with Github's Wiki, but I like that I maintain some control while being able to allow anyone to edit. I'll look into this. I've now enabled it: https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual/wiki If I've configured it correctly then it should be editable by anyone with a GitHub account (which is free). I've added a short introductory message from me and then we'll see what happens :) Since I took a long time to reply to this email then I'll leave your comments for easy reference if anyone wonders why I enabled the Wiki: That's encouraging. We've got some very smart people using MailMate (it's almost a self-qualifying feature :-) and loads of them want to help. The hopeful outcome is: * we free up your time to focus what you're good at * cultivate collaboration across aforementioned smart user-base * provide a reference repository to all of us ADHD users who forgot where that obscure feature is (this is me) For a non-profit project that I'm helping with, I set up a DokuWiki for the first time. I don't know GitHub's wiki, but I suspect that it's not going to be rocket-science for you, nor for MM users. And, I think, given that you own the repo, you'll maintain full control unless you eventually come to trust the folks who volunteer (ahem, Annamarie Pluhar, your volunteering has not gone unnoticed :-). This will free up even more of your time and again, provide for a lot of collaboration. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 13 Jan 2017, at 6:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 12 Jan 2017, at 17:50, Mike Petonic wrote: Perhaps we could use Github's Wiki feature of the https://github.com/mailmate/ site. It doesn't appear that it's enabled, or rather, it is enabled but it just redirects us to the markdown manual (https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual) again. I don't have any experience with Github's Wiki, but I like that I maintain some control while being able to allow anyone to edit. I'll look into this. That's encouraging. We've got some very smart people using MailMate (it's almost a self-qualifying feature :-) and loads of them want to help. The hopeful outcome is: * we free up your time to focus what you're good at * cultivate collaboration across aforementioned smart user-base * provide a reference repository to all of us ADHD users who forgot where that obscure feature is (this is me) For a non-profit project that I'm helping with, I set up a DokuWiki for the first time. I don't know GitHub's wiki, but I suspect that it's not going to be rocket-science for you, nor for MM users. And, I think, given that you own the repo, you'll maintain full control unless you eventually come to trust the folks who volunteer (ahem, Annamarie Pluhar, your volunteering has not gone unnoticed :-). This will free up even more of your time and again, provide for a lot of collaboration.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 12 Jan 2017, at 17:50, Mike Petonic wrote: Perhaps we could use Github's Wiki feature of the https://github.com/mailmate/ site. It doesn't appear that it's enabled, or rather, it is enabled but it just redirects us to the markdown manual (https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual) again. I don't have any experience with Github's Wiki, but I like that I maintain some control while being able to allow anyone to edit. I'll look into this. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 12 Jan 2017, at 3:25, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 11 Jan 2017, at 11:28, Ted Byfield wrote: A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. Why can’t the manual have this as part of it? (BTW, I’ve got a months-old PR on the manual: https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual .) Oops :-) I think my initial thought was that it was a bit too minor to be in the introduction. I've accepted it now and then I might move it later on :) Sorry about the delay. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 11 Jan 2017, at 17:42, Peter Stevens wrote: Some of these issues might better be handled through better usability. Why not just have some buttons to insert markdown templates? So documentation is isn’t necessary the answer (even if it can be a quick fix for deeper problems). Just for the record, I agree with this. I recently added that some Markdown is handled via the standard keys, e.g., TextEdit: ⌘B, ⌘I, ⌘K. The last one is for creating links. At its best: Put a URL on the pasteboard, select a word, and hit ⌘K. Yeah, also not documented in the manual. (Toolbar buttons are a bit harder, because it'll involve graphics I don't have.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 11 Jan 2017, at 1:41, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: That’s funny… mine is configured the other way around… has been so long I don’t know if I did that, or if it used to be default. Searching is the default behavior. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
So glad I saw this thread. (Sometimes I read and sometimes I simply delete) One of my hats is "instructional designer." I'm well aware of the time it might take to put together a good tips and tricks manual. I'd love to see one. As a non-coder a wiki seems more approachable to me than github - but maybe I'm just not conversant enough with github. I'd be happy to offer my editing/writing to what gets put there. My two cents. Annamarie Pluhar 802-451-1941 802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.) On 12 Jan 2017, at 14:26, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 12 Jan 2017, at 13:46, Mike Petonic wrote: No objection from me. I just think that a markdown manual collaborated with on GitHub is less collaborative (i.e., someone has to do the integrations and approve them) as compared to a Wiki, where they just have to be monitored. I doubt that Benny has that much available time to do the integrations, and I think we'd all rather that Benny focus on continuing to make MM the best damned MUA for macOS. :-) On the other hand, if we have volunteers to do the editing from submissions, then my concern would go away, and a manual format is oftentimes that best format for certain people because of the linearity (it's not my desired format, however). I’m indifferent to the method, but since github already points the wiki to the manual, something would have to change. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 12 Jan 2017, at 13:46, Mike Petonic wrote: No objection from me. I just think that a markdown manual collaborated with on GitHub is less collaborative (i.e., someone has to do the integrations and approve them) as compared to a Wiki, where they just have to be monitored. I doubt that Benny has that much available time to do the integrations, and I think we'd all rather that Benny focus on continuing to make MM the best damned MUA for macOS. :-) On the other hand, if we have volunteers to do the editing from submissions, then my concern would go away, and a manual format is oftentimes that best format for certain people because of the linearity (it's not my desired format, however). I’m indifferent to the method, but since github already points the wiki to the manual, something would have to change. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 12 Jan 2017, at 8:59, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 12 Jan 2017, at 11:50, Mike Petonic wrote: Perhaps we could use Github's Wiki feature of the https://github.com/mailmate/ site. It doesn't appear that it's enabled, or rather, it is enabled but it just redirects us to the markdown manual (https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual) again. We could agree to limit the scope to a best-practices wiki, and thus wouldn't have a lot of scope creep. Not a bad idea, but what’s the objection to putting such a section into the manual on github? No objection from me. I just think that a markdown manual collaborated with on GitHub is less collaborative (i.e., someone has to do the integrations and approve them) as compared to a Wiki, where they just have to be monitored. I doubt that Benny has that much available time to do the integrations, and I think we'd all rather that Benny focus on continuing to make MM the best damned MUA for macOS. :-) On the other hand, if we have volunteers to do the editing from submissions, then my concern would go away, and a manual format is oftentimes that best format for certain people because of the linearity (it's not my desired format, however). That's my $0.02. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
That seems like an excellent approach from a user perspective (or at least this one's). Cheers, T On 12 Jan 2017, at 11:59, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 12 Jan 2017, at 11:50, Mike Petonic wrote: Perhaps we could use Github's Wiki feature of the https://github.com/mailmate/ site. It doesn't appear that it's enabled, or rather, it is enabled but it just redirects us to the markdown manual (https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual) again. We could agree to limit the scope to a best-practices wiki, and thus wouldn't have a lot of scope creep. Not a bad idea, but what’s the objection to putting such a section into the manual on github? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 12 Jan 2017, at 11:50, Mike Petonic wrote: Perhaps we could use Github's Wiki feature of the https://github.com/mailmate/ site. It doesn't appear that it's enabled, or rather, it is enabled but it just redirects us to the markdown manual (https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual) again. We could agree to limit the scope to a best-practices wiki, and thus wouldn't have a lot of scope creep. Not a bad idea, but what’s the objection to putting such a section into the manual on github? John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
I agree about having a best-practices forum, of some sort, beyond the email list. We've got some very good power users and when they contribute things, that's great, but using a mailing list or even mailing list archives is like looking through a toilet-paper roll to drive. Very tunnel-vision like. I like the idea of a subreddit, but I'd guess that probably less than 50% of the users use reddit. Perhaps we could use Github's Wiki feature of the https://github.com/mailmate/ site. It doesn't appear that it's enabled, or rather, it is enabled but it just redirects us to the markdown manual (https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual) again. We could agree to limit the scope to a best-practices wiki, and thus wouldn't have a lot of scope creep. On 11 Jan 2017, at 18:56, Ted Byfield wrote: It could be, but I assume that Benny has his hands full (and would like time off). Resources like that can involve multiple layers of work (writing, updating with releases, etc); and sometimes they're best done by users — for example, as a subreddit. Cheers, T On 11 Jan 2017, at 21:25, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 11 Jan 2017, at 11:28, Ted Byfield wrote: A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. Why can’t the manual have this as part of it? (BTW, I’ve got a months-old PR on the manual: https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual .) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
Any sufficiently-motivated user could start an unofficial MailMate "tips n tricks" wiki. There are a variety of free wiki farms out there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_hosting_services If I set one up, do you suppose there'd be interest? Would Benny be willing to link to it? -sam On January 11, 2017 9:56:28 PM EST, Ted Byfield wrote: >It could be, but I assume that Benny has his hands full (and would like > >time off). Resources like that can involve multiple layers of work >(writing, updating with releases, etc); and sometimes they're best done > >by users — for example, as a subreddit. > >Cheers, >T > >On 11 Jan 2017, at 21:25, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: > >> On 11 Jan 2017, at 11:28, Ted Byfield wrote: >> >>> A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap >>> between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support >>> list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). >>> >>> This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, >>> I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. >> >> Why can’t the manual have this as part of it? >> >> (BTW, I’ve got a months-old PR on the manual: >> https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual .) >___ >mailmate mailing list >mailmate@lists.freron.com >https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
It could be, but I assume that Benny has his hands full (and would like time off). Resources like that can involve multiple layers of work (writing, updating with releases, etc); and sometimes they're best done by users — for example, as a subreddit. Cheers, T On 11 Jan 2017, at 21:25, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 11 Jan 2017, at 11:28, Ted Byfield wrote: A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. Why can’t the manual have this as part of it? (BTW, I’ve got a months-old PR on the manual: https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual .) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 11 Jan 2017, at 11:28, Ted Byfield wrote: A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. Why can’t the manual have this as part of it? (BTW, I’ve got a months-old PR on the manual: https://github.com/mailmate/mailmate_manual .) John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). +1 I have found the online documentation to be quite unhelpful. It’s all about doing really amazing guru level stuff, but I am still trying to figure out the basics. Even finding a guide to markdown was a challenge. Some of these issues might better be handled through better usability. Why not just have some buttons to insert markdown templates? So documentation is isn’t necessary the answer (even if it can be a quick fix for deeper problems). Cheers, Peter On 11 Jan 2017, at 17:28, Ted Byfield wrote: This thread is really helpful, in part because it crystalized an odd feeling I often get when using Mailmate — that *there's a better way* or *I'm doing it wrong*. A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. Cheers, T On 10 Jan 2017, at 19:41, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: a) I didn’t know that shift double-click would open the msg in a new window (for me) b) I usually just hit as return to open the selected msg in a new window c) I didn’t realize that the column I double-clicked on determined the filter for the search ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
This thread is really helpful, in part because it crystalized an odd feeling I often get when using Mailmate — that *there's a better way* or *I'm doing it wrong*. A Mailmate tips/tricks resource would very useful to fill the gap between the manual (which should be very minimal) and this ~support list (which is great but a noisy way to build practical knowledge). This isn't intended as a criticism of MM at all — on the contrary, I'm just thinking about a resource that could help it to grow. Cheers, T On 10 Jan 2017, at 19:41, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: a) I didn’t know that shift double-click would open the msg in a new window (for me) b) I usually just hit as return to open the selected msg in a new window c) I didn’t realize that the column I double-clicked on determined the filter for the search ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
Verdon Vaillancourt 2017-01-11 1:41 wrote: That’s funny… mine is configured the other way around… has been so long I don’t know if I did that, or if it used to be default. It's a setting, see MailMate -> Preferences -> Viewer -> Double click Eudora was excellent for it's time but MailMate is definitely the best mail client I have used. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
That’s funny… mine is configured the other way around… has been so long I don’t know if I did that, or if it used to be default. I did learn a couple tricks from this conversation though… a) I didn’t know that shift double-click would open the msg in a new window (for me) b) I usually just hit as return to open the selected msg in a new window c) I didn’t realize that the column I double-clicked on determined the filter for the search Agreed… fantastic App!! On 10 Jan 2017, at 18:10, Sherif Soliman wrote: On 10 Jan 2017, at 11:30, Robert Brenstein wrote: I just discovered that MailMate has a function equivalent to the mail concatenation feature of Eudora. I am in 7th heaven, and I thought to share this discovery! I saw the setting for this in the preferences quite a while ago but only now clicked what it really means. For those wondering what I am talking about: If I double-click a message in MailMate, it opens that message in a new window. Nothing special here. If I double-click a message holding the shift key, MailMate sets a filter that shows all messages with the same subject or whatever column I was clicking. This is pretty much the same what option-click did in Eudora. MM refers to this functionality as searching for related messages. Tip: select the message before you double-click it, so MM does not use the first click to select multiple messages. This is _awesome_. I think I may have understood, a long time ago, that part of this functionality existed, but I never understood it to do what you just explained it did. MailMate continues to be one of the most delightful software I use. Thanks for sharing. Sherif ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
On 10 Jan 2017, at 11:30, Robert Brenstein wrote: I just discovered that MailMate has a function equivalent to the mail concatenation feature of Eudora. I am in 7th heaven, and I thought to share this discovery! I saw the setting for this in the preferences quite a while ago but only now clicked what it really means. For those wondering what I am talking about: If I double-click a message in MailMate, it opens that message in a new window. Nothing special here. If I double-click a message holding the shift key, MailMate sets a filter that shows all messages with the same subject or whatever column I was clicking. This is pretty much the same what option-click did in Eudora. MM refers to this functionality as searching for related messages. Tip: select the message before you double-click it, so MM does not use the first click to select multiple messages. This is _awesome_. I think I may have understood, a long time ago, that part of this functionality existed, but I never understood it to do what you just explained it did. MailMate continues to be one of the most delightful software I use. Thanks for sharing. Sherif___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Eudora's mail concatenation in MailMate
Thank you for pointing out this feature Robert. I used Eudora for years but I don’t remember being aware of this feature. Cheers, Dave -=-=-=- I just discovered that MailMate has a function equivalent to the mail concatenation feature of Eudora. I am in 7th heaven, and I thought to share this discovery! I saw the setting for this in the preferences quite a while ago but only now clicked what it really means. For those wondering what I am talking about: If I double-click a message in MailMate, it opens that message in a new window. Nothing special here. If I double-click a message holding the shift key, MailMate sets a filter that shows all messages with the same subject or whatever column I was clicking. This is pretty much the same what option-click did in Eudora. MM refers to this functionality as searching for related messages. Tip: select the message before you double-click it, so MM does not use the first click to select multiple messages. Robert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate