Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 3 Oct 2016, at 16:08, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 3 Oct 2016, at 16:50, Alain Israel wrote: Indeed, but I was wondering whether « Important » is part of these standard keywords, as it could be used as an all purpose tag, while *flagged, seen, junk* have a specific function. I don't think so. The Exchange server I have access to has this response: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)] Permanent flags This means that the server supports the listed keywords and nothing else. I don't know if this is in any way configurable by the server administrators. I also don't know how/if `$MDSSent` is used by Exchange. Maybe it can be misused to get a single server-synchronized custom tag... $MDNSent is used to mark messages for which a message disposition notification message has been sent. I don't see how Exchange can be repurposing that in any way that IMAP clients (which generate "message read" MDNs) can work with, since messages themselves have headers that indicate the sender's desire for a MDN and the IMAP spec says messages (including headers) must be immutable. Note that Exchange has its roots in X.400 mail, which has an Importance attribute for messages and RFC2156 defines that as translating into an Importance header in Internet email. There is also a common X-Priority header that some versions of Exchange and Outlook use to replicate Importance and some clients have even tried to use a Priority header, an X.400 transplant that is such a bad idea (transport priority determined by sender) that I don't think even Exchange has ever supported it for Internet email. However, some clients have conflated all 3 into a single Importance or Priority attribute that looks like an IMAP attribute (sorta) but doesn't ACT like one because it can only be changed by deleting, purging, and re-saving a message with the appropriate header(s) changed or absent. Complicating the whole thing further, the standard "\Flagged" IMAP keyword is arguably the same semantically as having the Importance header being "high" so there may be some systems which set that on delivery based on the header. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 3 Oct 2016, at 16:50, Alain Israel wrote: Indeed, but I was wondering whether « Important » is part of these standard keywords, as it could be used as an all purpose tag, while *flagged, seen, junk* have a specific function. I don't think so. The Exchange server I have access to has this response: * OK [PERMANENTFLAGS (\Seen \Answered \Flagged \Deleted \Draft $MDNSent)] Permanent flags This means that the server supports the listed keywords and nothing else. I don't know if this is in any way configurable by the server administrators. I also don't know how/if `$MDSSent` is used by Exchange. Maybe it can be misused to get a single server-synchronized custom tag... -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 3 Oct 2016, at 14:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 29 Sep 2016, at 12:08, Alain Israel wrote: This leads me to a somehow related question : would the tag *Important* be transferred from one computer to the other (same account), when using an Exchange-based server? So far the only serious problem I have with MM, although it is not really a MM-specific problem, is that neither tags nor flags (only the defaut color remains, which is better than nothing…..) are maintained when I switch from one computer to the other. Unfortunately Exchange does not support so-called custom IMAP keywords. This means that tags can only work locally. This is also true for colored flags. Only “Flagged”, “Seen”, and a few other standard keywords can be synchronized. Indeed, but I was wondering whether « Important » is part of these standard keywords, as it could be used as an all purpose tag, while *flagged, seen, junk* have a specific function. Alain___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 29 Sep 2016, at 12:08, Alain Israel wrote: This leads me to a somehow related question : would the tag *Important* be transferred from one computer to the other (same account), when using an Exchange-based server? So far the only serious problem I have with MM, although it is not really a MM-specific problem, is that neither tags nor flags (only the defaut color remains, which is better than nothing…..) are maintained when I switch from one computer to the other. Unfortunately Exchange does not support so-called custom IMAP keywords. This means that tags can only work locally. This is also true for colored flags. Only “Flagged”, “Seen”, and a few other standard keywords can be synchronized. My recollection is that the colored mails in Thunderbird were maintained, which means it should be possible (at least I hope). Hmm, in that case I don't know how Thunderbird makes that work. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
This leads me to a somehow related question : would the tag *Important* be transferred from one computer to the other (same account), when using an Exchange-based server? So far the only serious problem I have with MM, although it is not really a MM-specific problem, is that neither tags nor flags (only the defaut color remains, which is better than nothing…..) are maintained when I switch from one computer to the other. My recollection is that the colored mails in Thunderbird were maintained, which means it should be possible (at least I hope). Alain On 28 Sep 2016, at 13:14, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 24 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: how I did for add a tag mapped to the “Important” Gmail label ? That's actually a good question. I looked into and this should work:  The display name and the IMAP keyword could also have other values, but the “Gmail” label name must be exactly as I've shown in the screenshot. For me, adding this tag automatically resynchronized the account. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 24 Sep 2016, at 15:13, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: how I did for add a tag mapped to the “Important” Gmail label ? That's actually a good question. I looked into and this should work:  The display name and the IMAP keyword could also have other values, but the “Gmail” label name must be exactly as I've shown in the screenshot. For me, adding this tag automatically resynchronized the account. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
how I did for add a tag mapped to the “Important” Gmail label ? *** Olivier Bedouelle *gérant* [vertdéco](http://www.vertdeco.fr) Port: + 33 6 80 99 99 33 On 24 Sep 2016, at 14:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 24 Sep 2016, at 9:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: In Gmail a message go to the label « important » In that case, make sure you do this: Maybe check via “Edit Subscriptions” in the IMAP account editor that MailMate synchronizes all relevant folders. But it can create duplicate messages due to how Gmail works. The only way to avoid this if you also add a tag mapped to the “Important” Gmail label. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 24 Sep 2016, at 9:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: In Gmail a message go to the label « important » In that case, make sure you do this: Maybe check via “Edit Subscriptions” in the IMAP account editor that MailMate synchronizes all relevant folders. But it can create duplicate messages due to how Gmail works. The only way to avoid this if you also add a tag mapped to the “Important” Gmail label. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
Benny, In Gmail a message go to the label « important » Cordially *** Olivier Bedouelle *gérant* [vertdéco](http://www.vertdeco.fr) Port: + 33 6 80 99 99 33 On 23 Sep 2016, at 21:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 23 Sep 2016, at 15:31, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo The message is archived, but also marked as a todo item of some sort? If you go to the Gmail web interfaces can you then locate the email in a specific mailbox? But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Maybe check via “Edit Subscriptions” in the IMAP account editor that MailMate synchronizes all relevant folders. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 23 Sep 2016, at 15:31, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo The message is archived, but also marked as a todo item of some sort? If you go to the Gmail web interfaces can you then locate the email in a specific mailbox? But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Maybe check via “Edit Subscriptions” in the IMAP account editor that MailMate synchronizes all relevant folders. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
If I understand correctly, Google's Inbox program automatically sorts messages into other folders when they are received. According to Olivier, the messages in those folders are not downloaded by MailMate, or perhaps they're not recognized as new unread messages. I think the best solution would be for Olivier to use a different email client on his phone. Olivier Bedouelle wrote (at 6:31 on 23 Sep 2016): I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Cordially *** Olivier Bedouelle *gérant* [vertdéco](http://www.vertdeco.fr) Port: + 33 6 80 99 99 33 On 23 Sep 2016, at 14:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a particular message is completed. When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going to get him. Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages? I'm sorry Olivier, but I simply do not understand the question. Could you try again? (You can send me some screenshots *off list* if that's easier for you.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
I’m use [Inbox](https://www.google.com/inbox/) with my phone. It’s a modern interface of Gmail. With INBOX it’s possible to mark a message « fact » and a message go in archives another folder . As a list Todo But I do not know which folder to the message will. The message is not downloaded MailMate. It’s a problem ! Cordially *** Olivier Bedouelle *gérant* [vertdéco](http://www.vertdeco.fr) Port: + 33 6 80 99 99 33 On 23 Sep 2016, at 14:01, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 22 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a particular message is completed. When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going to get him. Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages? I'm sorry Olivier, but I simply do not understand the question. Could you try again? (You can send me some screenshots *off list* if that's easier for you.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate et Inbox
On 22 Sep 2016, at 8:58, Olivier Bedouelle wrote: I use Inbox on my iPhone to my emails. I find this practice to see if a particular message is completed. When I put the message "done », MailMate on my computer is not going to get him. Do you know how I can synchronize the completed messages? I'm sorry Olivier, but I simply do not understand the question. Could you try again? (You can send me some screenshots *off list* if that's easier for you.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
