Re: [mailop] Bulk yahoo! FBL requests?

[Luis E. Muñoz via mailop]

Thanks for the advice Al!

I'll give this a try. In my case, the verification codes are arriving 
within seconds, so that should make it quicker.


Best regards

-lem

On 5 Jul 2018, at 19:36, Al Iverson via mailop wrote:


Hey Lem, I've been down this road and they don't really have a way to
facilitate bulk requests, no matter how kindly you ask. :)

You could actually knock out all of those in less than a day's work,
if you did them the way I do them:
- Fire up four browsers. I use Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera
- Our inbound server that receives the verification emails rewrites
them to add the domain to the subject line. Grep it out of the
Delivered-To, or "for  wrote:


Hi there,

I need to send 70+ Yahoo Complaint Feedback Loop Service requests. Is
there any way to submit them in bulk, rather than going through the
captcha-protected form one at a time?

Thanks in advance.

-lem


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Re: [mailop] Bulk yahoo! FBL requests?

[Al Iverson via mailop]

Hey Lem, I've been down this road and they don't really have a way to
facilitate bulk requests, no matter how kindly you ask. :)

You could actually knock out all of those in less than a day's work,
if you did them the way I do them:
- Fire up four browsers. I use Safari, Chrome, Firefox and Opera
- Our inbound server that receives the verification emails rewrites
them to add the domain to the subject line. Grep it out of the
Delivered-To, or "for  wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I need to send 70+ Yahoo Complaint Feedback Loop Service requests. Is
> there any way to submit them in bulk, rather than going through the
> captcha-protected form one at a time?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -lem
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[mailop] Bulk yahoo! FBL requests?

[Luis E. Muñoz via mailop]

Hi there,

I need to send 70+ Yahoo Complaint Feedback Loop Service requests. Is 
there any way to submit them in bulk, rather than going through the 
captcha-protected form one at a time?


Thanks in advance.

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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Mathieu Bourdin]

Hi again

> Unless Orange is performing object and link scanning / safety checks making 
> the recipients seem alive (to euromsg at least
Never seen this kind of behavior from Orange. Could be happening from one of 
their security vendors but on several hundreds of emails ? seems highly 
unlikely. On our end, for the last 4 hours I see around 1500 bounces from 
Orange, with soft and hard bounces alike. Most hard bounces are first time 
sendings, and the other ones do not show any recent activity.

I'd again advise to reach out to their postmaster team to ask them to check on 
this if they can.

Mathieu

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Envoyé : jeudi 5 juillet 2018 15:53
À : mailop 
Objet : Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, David Hofstee wrote:

>- You send to e.g. a 1000 recipients one week. These recipients 
>download images and click on links (e.g. 40% open rate and 5% click rate).
>Conclusion: Recipients are real and active.
>- The next week *all* these recipients suddenly bounce

Unless Orange is performing object and link scanning / safety checks making the 
recipients seem alive (to euromsg at least), but later the accounts are 
disabled or closed for whatever reasons.  (Even exclusive of aliveness, just 
not rejected last time but some rejected now.)  Or not all but enough that 
after some number of unknown recipient rejects Orange's MTA shifts to bouncing 
everything (for a while).


/mark

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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Mark Milhollan]

On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, David Hofstee wrote:

>- You send to e.g. a 1000 recipients one week. These recipients download
>images and click on links (e.g. 40% open rate and 5% click rate).
>Conclusion: Recipients are real and active.
>- The next week *all* these recipients suddenly bounce 

Unless Orange is performing object and link scanning / safety checks 
making the recipients seem alive (to euromsg at least), but later the 
accounts are disabled or closed for whatever reasons.  (Even exclusive 
of aliveness, just not rejected last time but some rejected now.)  Or 
not all but enough that after some number of unknown recipient rejects 
Orange's MTA shifts to bouncing everything (for a while).


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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Florent Destors]

 accounts.
Not at such rates. Some other process is going on. One would like to find
out what happened. He is asking himself if the domain has gone out of
business (which is not the case).

Yours,


David

On 5 July 2018 at 13:51, Suresh Ramasubramanian  wrote:

> For a 1990s throwback, here is the website for xmailserver
>
> http://www.xmailserver.org/
>
> On 05/07/18, 4:56 PM, "mailop on behalf of Benoit Panizzon" <
> mailop-boun...@mailop.org on behalf of benoit.paniz...@imp.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi Erme
>
> I've seen similar problems with ISP using, as I recall, something
> sounding like 'xmailserver' as SMTP Server.
>
> That Server has a very serious bug, instead of rejecting invalid
> recipients during the 'rcpt to' handshake, it does this after 'data'
> has been initiated by issuing a human readable message telling what
> recipient was invalid.
>
> This of course breaks all mailing lists or newsletter tools which send
> emails to as many recipients as possible to lower resource consumption.
>
> If one destination address becomes invalid, this leads to mass
> unsubscription of valid email addresses on tools like mailman.
>
> So Maybe France Telecom switched to such a mailserver?
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:03:30 +0300
From: Emre Üst |euro.message| 
To: David Hofstee 
Cc: mailop , Suresh Ramasubramanian
, Benoit Panizzon 
Subject: Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces
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Thank you David ,

Yes that is what i am talking about . that is the "strange"  part ,how so
many people close the email every NL .


On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:52 PM, David Hofstee 
wrote:

> Hi Emre,
>
> My 5xx bounce rate is around 0.2% for these domains. The domains have not
> gone inactive. Some spam filters reply with such 5xx errors to fend off
> spam. I haven't seen that @orange yet (but a large Belgium provider does it
> infrequently).
>
> @Philip (and Mathieu): The point that Emre is making is:
> - You send to e.g. a 1000 recipients one week. These recipients download
> images and click on links (e.g. 40% open rate and 5% click rate).
> Conclusion: Recipients are real and active.
> - The next week *all* these recipients suddenly bounce and are
> deactivated on his lists due to a "550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
> destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]"... Across all
> customers.
>
> That is not how normal recipients, people, stop using their email
> accounts. Not at such rates. Some other process is going on. One would like
> to find out what happened. He is asking himself if the domain has gone out
> of business (which is not the case).
>
> Yours,
>
>
> David
>
> On 5 July 2018 at 13:51, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
> wrote:
>
>> For a 1990s throwback, here is the website for xmailserver
>>
>> http://www.xmailserver.org/
>>
>> On 05/07/18, 4:56 PM, "mailop on behalf of Benoit Panizzon" <
>> mailop-boun...@mailop.org on behalf of benoit.paniz...@imp.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Erme
>>
>> I've seen similar problems with ISP using, as I recall, something
>> sounding like 'xmailserver' as SMTP Server.
>>
>> That Server has a very serious bug, instead of rejecting invalid
>> recipients during the 'rcpt to' handshake, it does this after 'data'
>> has been initiated by issuing a human readable message telling what
>> recipient was invalid.
>>
>>  

Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Emre Üst |euro . message|]

Thank you David ,

Yes that is what i am talking about . that is the "strange"  part ,how so
many people close the email every NL .


On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 3:52 PM, David Hofstee 
wrote:

> Hi Emre,
>
> My 5xx bounce rate is around 0.2% for these domains. The domains have not
> gone inactive. Some spam filters reply with such 5xx errors to fend off
> spam. I haven't seen that @orange yet (but a large Belgium provider does it
> infrequently).
>
> @Philip (and Mathieu): The point that Emre is making is:
> - You send to e.g. a 1000 recipients one week. These recipients download
> images and click on links (e.g. 40% open rate and 5% click rate).
> Conclusion: Recipients are real and active.
> - The next week *all* these recipients suddenly bounce and are
> deactivated on his lists due to a "550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
> destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]"... Across all
> customers.
>
> That is not how normal recipients, people, stop using their email
> accounts. Not at such rates. Some other process is going on. One would like
> to find out what happened. He is asking himself if the domain has gone out
> of business (which is not the case).
>
> Yours,
>
>
> David
>
> On 5 July 2018 at 13:51, Suresh Ramasubramanian 
> wrote:
>
>> For a 1990s throwback, here is the website for xmailserver
>>
>> http://www.xmailserver.org/
>>
>> On 05/07/18, 4:56 PM, "mailop on behalf of Benoit Panizzon" <
>> mailop-boun...@mailop.org on behalf of benoit.paniz...@imp.ch> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Erme
>>
>> I've seen similar problems with ISP using, as I recall, something
>> sounding like 'xmailserver' as SMTP Server.
>>
>> That Server has a very serious bug, instead of rejecting invalid
>> recipients during the 'rcpt to' handshake, it does this after 'data'
>> has been initiated by issuing a human readable message telling what
>> recipient was invalid.
>>
>> This of course breaks all mailing lists or newsletter tools which send
>> emails to as many recipients as possible to lower resource
>> consumption.
>>
>> If one destination address becomes invalid, this leads to mass
>> unsubscription of valid email addresses on tools like mailman.
>>
>> So Maybe France Telecom switched to such a mailserver?
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüssen
>>
>> -Benoît Panizzon-
>> --
>> I m p r o W a r e   A G-Leiter Commerce Kunden
>> __
>>
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>> 
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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[David Hofstee]

Hi Emre,

My 5xx bounce rate is around 0.2% for these domains. The domains have not
gone inactive. Some spam filters reply with such 5xx errors to fend off
spam. I haven't seen that @orange yet (but a large Belgium provider does it
infrequently).

@Philip (and Mathieu): The point that Emre is making is:
- You send to e.g. a 1000 recipients one week. These recipients download
images and click on links (e.g. 40% open rate and 5% click rate).
Conclusion: Recipients are real and active.
- The next week *all* these recipients suddenly bounce and are deactivated
on his lists due to a "550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un destinataire
invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]"... Across all customers.

That is not how normal recipients, people, stop using their email accounts.
Not at such rates. Some other process is going on. One would like to find
out what happened. He is asking himself if the domain has gone out of
business (which is not the case).

Yours,


David

On 5 July 2018 at 13:51, Suresh Ramasubramanian  wrote:

> For a 1990s throwback, here is the website for xmailserver
>
> http://www.xmailserver.org/
>
> On 05/07/18, 4:56 PM, "mailop on behalf of Benoit Panizzon" <
> mailop-boun...@mailop.org on behalf of benoit.paniz...@imp.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi Erme
>
> I've seen similar problems with ISP using, as I recall, something
> sounding like 'xmailserver' as SMTP Server.
>
> That Server has a very serious bug, instead of rejecting invalid
> recipients during the 'rcpt to' handshake, it does this after 'data'
> has been initiated by issuing a human readable message telling what
> recipient was invalid.
>
> This of course breaks all mailing lists or newsletter tools which send
> emails to as many recipients as possible to lower resource consumption.
>
> If one destination address becomes invalid, this leads to mass
> unsubscription of valid email addresses on tools like mailman.
>
> So Maybe France Telecom switched to such a mailserver?
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüssen
>
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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Mathieu Bourdin]

HI,

Just to complete Philip's translation, the full bounce message says in french 
"invalid address for at least one of the recipients".
Being a french ESP with 95% of our traffic to French ISPs, Orange foremost 
among them, we've never seen "false positives" regarding hard bounces with this 
ISP.
I'm not sure they are using the xmailserver system, or at least we've never 
seen similar issues on our end, we send to 15 (I think, trying to remember the 
rates) recipients per connexion, and have not seen cases where the whole 15 of 
them would come bac as hard bounces because of just 1.
If you want to make sure you could try to reach out to their postmaster team 
(if you haven't already), they do read requests and are usually very efficient 
in answering ESPs questions (as long as the questions are precise and well 
documented).

Best of luck to you.

Mathieu Bourdin.

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Objet : Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

On 2018-07-05 12:47:57 (+0200), Emre Üst |euro.message| wrote:
> Is there anything wrong on Orange.fr and wanadoo.fr domains lately ? 
> Our client's recipients went to Hard Bounces. I actually don't 
> understand why suddenly their email become invalid, people that are 
> actually quite active.  Opening and clicking on the NL.
>
> Could it be closing themselves ?

The errors you quote translate to "user unknown".  Perhaps the recipients 
closed their accounts?  Or stopped paying their bills and their mailboxes were 
shut down?

Continuing to send mail to mailboxes that bounce hard is unlikely to do your 
reputation much good!

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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

For a 1990s throwback, here is the website for xmailserver

http://www.xmailserver.org/

On 05/07/18, 4:56 PM, "mailop on behalf of Benoit Panizzon" 
 wrote:

Hi Erme

I've seen similar problems with ISP using, as I recall, something
sounding like 'xmailserver' as SMTP Server.

That Server has a very serious bug, instead of rejecting invalid
recipients during the 'rcpt to' handshake, it does this after 'data'
has been initiated by issuing a human readable message telling what
recipient was invalid.

This of course breaks all mailing lists or newsletter tools which send
emails to as many recipients as possible to lower resource consumption.

If one destination address becomes invalid, this leads to mass
unsubscription of valid email addresses on tools like mailman.

So Maybe France Telecom switched to such a mailserver?

Mit freundlichen Grüssen

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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Philip Paeps]

On 2018-07-05 12:47:57 (+0200), Emre Üst |euro.message| wrote:
Is there anything wrong on Orange.fr and wanadoo.fr domains lately ? 
Our client's recipients went to Hard Bounces. I actually don't 
understand why suddenly their email become invalid, people that are 
actually quite active.  Opening and clicking on the NL.


Could it be closing themselves ?


The errors you quote translate to "user unknown".  Perhaps the 
recipients closed their accounts?  Or stopped paying their bills and 
their mailboxes were shut down?


Continuing to send mail to mailboxes that bounce hard is unlikely to do 
your reputation much good!


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Re: [mailop] Orange.fr and Wanadoo.fr Hardbounces

[Benoit Panizzon]

Hi Erme

I've seen similar problems with ISP using, as I recall, something
sounding like 'xmailserver' as SMTP Server.

That Server has a very serious bug, instead of rejecting invalid
recipients during the 'rcpt to' handshake, it does this after 'data'
has been initiated by issuing a human readable message telling what
recipient was invalid.

This of course breaks all mailing lists or newsletter tools which send
emails to as many recipients as possible to lower resource consumption.

If one destination address becomes invalid, this leads to mass
unsubscription of valid email addresses on tools like mailman.

So Maybe France Telecom switched to such a mailserver?

Mit freundlichen Grüssen

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[Emre Üst |euro . message|]

 Hello Everyone ,

Is there anything wrong on Orange.fr and wanadoo.fr domains lately ? Our
client's recipients
went to Hard Bounces. I actually don't understand why suddenly their email
become invalid, people that are actually quite active.  Opening and
clicking on the NL.

Could it be closing themselves ?

baboule...@wanadoo.fr550smtp;550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]
laura.saba...@orange.fr550smtp;550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]
mariech...@wanadoo.fr550smtp;550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]
sonia...@orange.fr550smtp;550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]
elodie.n@wanadoo.fr550smtp;550 5.1.1 Adresse d au moins un
destinataire invalide. Invalid recipient. OFR_416 [416]

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