Re: [mailop] Set profile picture from server side for Outlook (Standalone client)

[Mark Milhollan via mailop]

On Wed, 26 Jun 2024, Sebastian Nielsen wrote:


I wonder, which header should I set to show a profile picture in Microsoft
Outlook (standalone client)?


As an aside: Which client, the old or the new?  What works for one might 
not work for the other.


That I know of there's nothing.  I'm not sure it would be wise to 
implement it via a header since anyone (e.g., scammers) might insert 
such a header -- you would probably filter them out but what about the 
millions of MTAs that wouldn't, whose operators haven't even heard of 
BIMI.  Providing an image to display should be done only via the mail 
access protocol, and none have been officially extended to cover it as 
yet except those that are internal to the few mailbox providers that 
display them only within their webmail interface.  If Microsoft ever 
does something odds are the image will only be available via their own 
protocols, or less likely they might have Outlook (probably new only) 
perform the message validation, BIMI DNS record lookup, and image (HTTPS 
fetch and) display.



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Re: [mailop] Outlook JMRP IP Feedback not available

[Scott Mutter via mailop]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:15 PM Al Iverson  wrote:

> Try jumping directly to the appropriate "view data" page in SNDS for this
> IP.
> How? Use my little jumper widget here:
> https://www.wombatmail.com/jump.cgi?d=
> Plug in the IP, and it will convert the IP to the right format for the
> SNDS URL.
> That'll help you bypass the browse/select screen.
> Of course, you'll get access denied if you don't actually have access for
> the IP.
> Then you'll know it's not a data issue, it's an access issue.
>
> Cheers,
> Al
>

When I visit the SNDS page using this, I get:

Error: no data for the specified IP

Not an access denied error.  I guess Outlook has to receive mail from the
IP before it can be registered with JMRP?  I guess being proactive doesn't
really mean a lot.
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Re: [mailop] Set profile picture from server side for Outlook (Standalone client)

[Al Iverson via mailop]

I'm not aware of any way to do this.

Microsoft used to have a method to add sender logos for hosted email
service domains. This was called Brand Cards. It's been dead for a few
years, though.

Cheers,
Al Iverson

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 6:05 AM Sebastian Nielsen via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I wonder, which header should I set to show a profile picture in Microsoft
> Outlook (standalone client)?
>
> (I know that, I for, security reasions, may need to enable or set some
> configuration for this to work)
>
>
>
> I know that I can add labels to a email by using ”Keywords:” header, and
> then going in settings and set ”Show categories”, and then the labels will
> show.
>
> In this way, I can show important information in the client from the
> server side.
>
>
>
> The thing is, that BIMI and brand images are not supposed to be handled
> client-side, but on the server side, so now I want to implement a
> experimental BIMI support in my exim configuration.
>
> This by fetching the BIMI and then setting this as profile picture inside
> Outlook programmatically.
>
>
>
> And also implement some ”fallback logic” for when theres no BIMI logo, and
> possible show a label if the logo is correctly BIMI-verified.
>
> This ofcourse means I need to be able to set the profile picture even for
> email adresses I don’t own, for incoming emails, by inserting/changing a
> header in the incoming mail.
>
>
>
>
>
> So the idea is basically:
>
>
>
> 1: Email lands in my server
>
> 2: Verify BIMI on email
>
> 3: Do some other logic stuff
>
> 4: If everything checks out, insert header to show logo as profile picture
> in Microsoft Outlook Standalone Client (instead of the first letter in all
> names)
>
>
>
> Note that Microsoft Outlook Client, will not have BIMI support, and will
> never do. Its just webmail operators that will get full fledged BIMI
> support.
>
>
>
> I have tried with X-Image-URL but didn’t work (even tough loading of
> images from external sources are turned on)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen
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Re: [mailop] Outlook JMRP IP Feedback not available

[Al Iverson via mailop]

Try jumping directly to the appropriate "view data" page in SNDS for this
IP.
How? Use my little jumper widget here:
https://www.wombatmail.com/jump.cgi?d=
Plug in the IP, and it will convert the IP to the right format for the SNDS
URL.
That'll help you bypass the browse/select screen.
Of course, you'll get access denied if you don't actually have access for
the IP.
Then you'll know it's not a data issue, it's an access issue.

Cheers,
Al

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 1:30 PM Scott Mutter via mailop 
wrote:

> What would cause an IP address to not show as being available for
> Outlook's JMRP?
>
> Going to
>
> https://postmaster.live.com/snds
>
> and using the link for Access Control, the IP in question is shown as
> being authorized to view data about.
>
> But clicking on Junk Mail Reporting Program and then clicking Manage, the
> IP address is nowhere to be found.
>
> Usually when adding a new IP address, I have to request access for the IP
> address and verify that access by clicking the link in the email they
> send.  I've done that.  Then when I visit the Junk Mail Reporting Program
> link and click Manage, the IP address is listed under the heading IPs
> Sending Feedback and directly under IP Addresses.  I check the box next to
> the IP address and Save Settings.
>
> But the IP address is not listed under the IP Addresses heading.
>
> I ask because the whole Microsoft/Outlook Postmaster Tools/SNDS/JMRP
> system has been a bit wonky of late.  I'm wondering if there is a system
> issue somewhere along the lines that's not making the IP address available
> for the JMRP.
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[mailop] Outlook JMRP IP Feedback not available

[Scott Mutter via mailop]

What would cause an IP address to not show as being available for Outlook's
JMRP?

Going to

https://postmaster.live.com/snds

and using the link for Access Control, the IP in question is shown as being
authorized to view data about.

But clicking on Junk Mail Reporting Program and then clicking Manage, the
IP address is nowhere to be found.

Usually when adding a new IP address, I have to request access for the IP
address and verify that access by clicking the link in the email they
send.  I've done that.  Then when I visit the Junk Mail Reporting Program
link and click Manage, the IP address is listed under the heading IPs
Sending Feedback and directly under IP Addresses.  I check the box next to
the IP address and Save Settings.

But the IP address is not listed under the IP Addresses heading.

I ask because the whole Microsoft/Outlook Postmaster Tools/SNDS/JMRP system
has been a bit wonky of late.  I'm wondering if there is a system issue
somewhere along the lines that's not making the IP address available for
the JMRP.
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Re: [mailop] Another 'Verified Email' service on AWS EC2

[Michael via mailop]

On 6/26/24 04:24, Jeff Peng via mailop wrote:

On 2024-06-26 15:11, Gellner, Oliver via mailop wrote:

On 26.06.2024 at 00:24  Jeff Pang via mailop wrote:

since aws ses was blocked, other esp such as mailchannel, mailgun, 
sendgrid can be blocked also?



That's a good idea, except when you have to deal with companies like
Everbridge Inc or Tencent QQ, which apparently think it's a good 
idea to

  rent VMs at various cloud providers and run them with their default
config.


Amazon SES does not use email servers with PTR records that end with 
compute-1.amazonaws.com, so it is not affected. 
ec2-.compute-1.amazonaws.com is the default name of AWS instances 
and only used where the owner did not specify his own domain. This is 
akin to people sending emails from @...onmicrosoft.com or 
@...azurewebsites.net or @...vps.ovh.




My mail server for domain simplemail.co.in has a ptr with the azure 
domain as value:


$ dig mx.simplemail.co.in +short
20.120.225.36

$ dig -x 20.120.225.36 +short
tls-mail.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com.

do you think if I should change the ptr value to something other like my 
own domain?


Yes, the domain in the PTR record should reflect the responsible party..
There are M3AAWG Best Practices articles that can go into more details..

But, for example.. this is your responsibility, not Azure's when you 
have a spam leakage.  If you want ordinary people to notify you, they 
will go to your  website as reflected in the domain in the PTR, to look 
for contact information.


This is even more important than FCrDNS



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Re: [mailop] Another 'Verified Email' service on AWS EC2

[Andy Smith via mailop]

Hi,

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 07:24:23PM +0800, Jeff Peng via mailop wrote:
> My mail server for domain simplemail.co.in has a ptr with the azure domain
> as value:
> 
> $ dig mx.simplemail.co.in +short
> 20.120.225.36
> 
> $ dig -x 20.120.225.36 +short
> tls-mail.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com.

There is no need as this resolves consistently both ways.

$ dig +short tls-mail.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com
20.120.225.36

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Re: [mailop] Another 'Verified Email' service on AWS EC2

[Jeff Peng via mailop]

On 2024-06-26 15:11, Gellner, Oliver via mailop wrote:

On 26.06.2024 at 00:24  Jeff Pang via mailop wrote:

since aws ses was blocked, other esp such as mailchannel, mailgun, 
sendgrid can be blocked also?



That's a good idea, except when you have to deal with companies like
Everbridge Inc or Tencent QQ, which apparently think it's a good idea 
to

  rent VMs at various cloud providers and run them with their default
config.


Amazon SES does not use email servers with PTR records that end with 
compute-1.amazonaws.com, so it is not affected. 
ec2-.compute-1.amazonaws.com is the default name of AWS instances 
and only used where the owner did not specify his own domain. This is 
akin to people sending emails from @...onmicrosoft.com or 
@...azurewebsites.net or @...vps.ovh.




My mail server for domain simplemail.co.in has a ptr with the azure 
domain as value:


$ dig mx.simplemail.co.in +short
20.120.225.36

$ dig -x 20.120.225.36 +short
tls-mail.westus2.cloudapp.azure.com.

do you think if I should change the ptr value to something other like my 
own domain?


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[mailop] Set profile picture from server side for Outlook (Standalone client)

[Sebastian Nielsen via mailop]

Hi.

I wonder, which header should I set to show a profile picture in Microsoft
Outlook (standalone client)?

(I know that, I for, security reasions, may need to enable or set some
configuration for this to work)

 

I know that I can add labels to a email by using "Keywords:" header, and
then going in settings and set "Show categories", and then the labels will
show.

In this way, I can show important information in the client from the server
side.

 

The thing is, that BIMI and brand images are not supposed to be handled
client-side, but on the server side, so now I want to implement a
experimental BIMI support in my exim configuration.

This by fetching the BIMI and then setting this as profile picture inside
Outlook programmatically.

 

And also implement some "fallback logic" for when theres no BIMI logo, and
possible show a label if the logo is correctly BIMI-verified.

This ofcourse means I need to be able to set the profile picture even for
email adresses I don't own, for incoming emails, by inserting/changing a
header in the incoming mail.

 

 

So the idea is basically:

 

1: Email lands in my server

2: Verify BIMI on email

3: Do some other logic stuff

4: If everything checks out, insert header to show logo as profile picture
in Microsoft Outlook Standalone Client (instead of the first letter in all
names)

 

Note that Microsoft Outlook Client, will not have BIMI support, and will
never do. Its just webmail operators that will get full fledged BIMI
support.

 

I have tried with X-Image-URL but didn't work (even tough loading of images
from external sources are turned on)

 

 

 

Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen

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Re: [mailop] Another 'Verified Email' service on AWS EC2

[Gellner, Oliver via mailop]

On 26.06.2024 at 00:24  Jeff Pang via mailop wrote:

> since aws ses was blocked, other esp such as mailchannel, mailgun, sendgrid 
> can be blocked also?

>> That's a good idea, except when you have to deal with companies like
>> Everbridge Inc or Tencent QQ, which apparently think it's a good idea to
>>   rent VMs at various cloud providers and run them with their default
>> config.

Amazon SES does not use email servers with PTR records that end with 
compute-1.amazonaws.com, so it is not affected. 
ec2-.compute-1.amazonaws.com is the default name of AWS instances and only 
used where the owner did not specify his own domain. This is akin to people 
sending emails from @...onmicrosoft.com or @...azurewebsites.net or 
@...vps.ovh.

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