Re: [mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :(
This type of question comes up other times, and really this applies to the same case. Which is to say, yes, we run spam filtering on these types of addresses, same as we do for postmaster@ or abuse@. These addresses are heavily spammed, disabling the spam filter isn't a good idea. That said, it is true that dmarc reports at least should be in a certain format according to the spec, so we can do a better job with properly formatted messages. I've filed a bug for that. Brandon On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 11:11 PM Bernardo Reino via mailop wrote: > Dear all, > > I have already experienced Google ratelimiting DMARC reports every now and > then, > which may be OK if they want it like that.. but this is new (to me): > > Reporting-MTA: dns; katara.bbmk.org > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3D2D71BE02E2 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; rep...@dmarc.bbmk.org > Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:01:03 +0100 (CET) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailauth-repo...@google.com > Original-Recipient: rfc822;mailauth-repo...@google.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.7.1 > Remote-MTA: dns; aspmx.l.google.com > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 [65.108.69.105 12] Our system has > detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To > reduce > the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been > blocked. > Please visit 550-5.7.1 > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 > 5.7.1 for > more information. e21si14404251ljg.437 - gsmtp > > I guess there's nothing to do, but I find this irritating.. I mean, they > could > just stop requesting DMARC reports instead of requesting and refusing > them? :) > > Cheers. > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :(
From massive amounts of observation, I'm quite confident in saying that the rejection message in question is based on content filters and not IP reputation. All day long we see rejections like this when users try to forward spam or try to forward email from certain domains (Facebook, eBay, PayPal), and then they accept another message from the same IP within the same minute. I've seen no indication that this message has any other meaning than what it directly states. On 2022-02-09 04:44, Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop wrote: * Bernardo Reino via mailop : Dear all, I have already experienced Google ratelimiting DMARC reports every now and then, which may be OK if they want it like that.. but this is new (to me): Reporting-MTA: dns; katara.bbmk.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3D2D71BE02E2 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; rep...@dmarc.bbmk.org Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:01:03 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailauth-repo...@google.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;mailauth-repo...@google.com Action: failed Status: 5.7.1 Remote-MTA: dns; aspmx.l.google.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 [65.108.69.105 12] Our system has detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for more information. e21si14404251ljg.437 - gsmtp I guess there's nothing to do, but I find this irritating.. I mean, they could just stop requesting DMARC reports instead of requesting and refusing them? :) What makes you believe they reject the content of your message and not your mail systems regardless of what it sends? p@rick ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :(
On Wed, 9 Feb 2022, Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop wrote: * Bernardo Reino via mailop : Dear all, I have already experienced Google ratelimiting DMARC reports every now and then, which may be OK if they want it like that.. but this is new (to me): [snip] Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 [65.108.69.105 12] Our system has detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for more information. e21si14404251ljg.437 - gsmtp I guess there's nothing to do, but I find this irritating.. I mean, they could just stop requesting DMARC reports instead of requesting and refusing them? :) What makes you believe they reject the content of your message and not your mail systems regardless of what it sends? So far I've never had e-mails rejected by Google, including DMARC reports (which could be treated differently than other e-mails). So my assumption is that something in the content triggered the rejection. Maybe if they check for bad IPs or domain names *within the content/body* (like many spam filters do unless instructed otherwise) then a DMARC report (or daily server logs, or messages in this list including spammer IPs, etc.) should be exempted from that, as otherwise these e-mails cannot achieve their very purpose of reporting such things. But anyway.. just sayin', in case Google may want to do something about this. Cheers, Bernardo ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :(
"that *THIS* message is likely unsolicited mail" (my emphasis): IMHO this sort of leads to a message-based interpretation rather than a system-based one, Patrick. -- Von meiner Hängematte aus gesendet. -Original Message- From: Patrick Ben Koetter via mailop To: mailop@mailop.org Sent: Mi., 09 Feb. 2022 11:52 Subject: Re: [mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :( * Bernardo Reino via mailop : > Dear all, > > I have already experienced Google ratelimiting DMARC reports every now and > then, which may be OK if they want it like that.. but this is new (to me): > > Reporting-MTA: dns; katara.bbmk.org > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3D2D71BE02E2 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; rep...@dmarc.bbmk.org > Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:01:03 +0100 (CET) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailauth-repo...@google.com > Original-Recipient: rfc822;mailauth-repo...@google.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.7.1 > Remote-MTA: dns; aspmx.l.google.com > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 [65.108.69.105 12] Our system has > detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce > the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. > Please visit 550-5.7.1 > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for > more information. e21si14404251ljg.437 - gsmtp > > I guess there's nothing to do, but I find this irritating.. I mean, they > could just stop requesting DMARC reports instead of requesting and refusing > them? :) What makes you believe they reject the content of your message and not your mail systems regardless of what it sends? p@rick -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG,80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer, Wolfgang Stief Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :(
* Bernardo Reino via mailop : > Dear all, > > I have already experienced Google ratelimiting DMARC reports every now and > then, which may be OK if they want it like that.. but this is new (to me): > > Reporting-MTA: dns; katara.bbmk.org > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3D2D71BE02E2 > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; rep...@dmarc.bbmk.org > Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:01:03 +0100 (CET) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailauth-repo...@google.com > Original-Recipient: rfc822;mailauth-repo...@google.com > Action: failed > Status: 5.7.1 > Remote-MTA: dns; aspmx.l.google.com > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 [65.108.69.105 12] Our system has > detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce > the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. > Please visit 550-5.7.1 > https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for > more information. e21si14404251ljg.437 - gsmtp > > I guess there's nothing to do, but I find this irritating.. I mean, they > could just stop requesting DMARC reports instead of requesting and refusing > them? :) What makes you believe they reject the content of your message and not your mail systems regardless of what it sends? p@rick -- [*] sys4 AG https://sys4.de, +49 (89) 30 90 46 64 Schleißheimer Straße 26/MG,80333 München Sitz der Gesellschaft: München, Amtsgericht München: HRB 199263 Vorstand: Patrick Ben Koetter, Marc Schiffbauer, Wolfgang Stief Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Florian Kirstein ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] Google considers DMARC reports to be unsolicited mail :(
Dear all, I have already experienced Google ratelimiting DMARC reports every now and then, which may be OK if they want it like that.. but this is new (to me): Reporting-MTA: dns; katara.bbmk.org X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 3D2D71BE02E2 X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; rep...@dmarc.bbmk.org Arrival-Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:01:03 +0100 (CET) Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailauth-repo...@google.com Original-Recipient: rfc822;mailauth-repo...@google.com Action: failed Status: 5.7.1 Remote-MTA: dns; aspmx.l.google.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550-5.7.1 [65.108.69.105 12] Our system has detected that this message is 550-5.7.1 likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of spam sent to Gmail, 550-5.7.1 this message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.1 https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError 550 5.7.1 for more information. e21si14404251ljg.437 - gsmtp I guess there's nothing to do, but I find this irritating.. I mean, they could just stop requesting DMARC reports instead of requesting and refusing them? :) Cheers. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
