Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 10:19:50PM +0100, Michelle Sullivan quoted:
> I invented Domain Validation back in 2007. It works by introducing MS records 
> in DNS, which act as the reverse of MX records.

No, he didn't.  I proposed "XM" records, to denote mail sources (as opposed
to MX records, which denote mail sinks) back in 2003.  See message
20030321212627.ga22...@gsp.org in news.admin.net-abuse.email, 3/21/2003
as well as 20030527182810.ga20...@gsp.org on spam-l, 5/27/2003, among others.

Of course, those who patent software invariably lie about their claims
and pretend prior art doesn't exist, so this isn't really surprising.

---rsk


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Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Ian Eiloart]

He’s right, in April 2007 he got a patent on SPF, for which the RFC was 
published exactly 12 months earlier. 

His claims include "1. Domain validation comprising methods and apparatus for 
checking whether another machine is allowed to send emails for the specified 
sender, 2. Domain validation as described in Claim 1 whereby Mail Sender (MS) 
records may be added to the domain name sever configuration to denote machines 
that can send email for a domain," 3. some nonsense with CNAMEs!

Except that: after validation, claim 1 was restricted to client machines, not 
MTAs. That renders the patent useless, since clients might be anywhere. If 
there is some restriction, there’s no reason to publish it.

> On 18 Jan 2016, at 21:19, Michelle Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Jay Hennigan wrote:
>> On 1/14/16 7:43 AM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>>> I'm sorry; I didn't get to read your message.  It was blocked:
>>> 
>>> %EXCLAMATION-MARK-IN-BODY-ON-TECHNICAL-LIST: 4
>>> 
>>> (Obviously I need to upgrade, since you only actually used one, but
>>> maybe
>>> my filter can extract them from the tone of prose.  ;-)
>> 
>> It could be a spacer or comment in a Cisco config, those are fairly
>> common on technical lists.
>> 
>> As for me, I'm making popcorn while eagerly awaiting the latest,
>> greatest patent-pending, FUSSP.
> 
> You're not the only one...   and interestingly I got this earlier...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: "Michelle Sullivan [Webform]" 
> From: dave.w...@ntlworld.com
> Subject: [Webform] How to cure 90+% of fake emails
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 05:14:21 -0800 (PST)
> 
> Michelle,
> 
> I invented Domain Validation back in 2007. It works by introducing MS records 
> in DNS, which act as the reverse of MX records.
> 
> That is, the sending machine looks up MX records of the recipient's domain 
> and connects to a machine, and the receiving machine looks up the MS records 
> of the sender's domain.
> 
> It's that simple and can be bolted into existing infrastructure. You can read 
> the whole patent at www.ipo.gov.uk reference GB2449653.
> 
> Regards
> Dave Wain
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Ian Eiloart]

> On 14 Jan 2016, at 15:43, Jay R. Ashworth  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry; I didn't get to read your message.  

Me too. It wasn’t blocked, it was just displayed in a tiny font. Except the 
SIG. Weird.

> It was blocked:
> 
> %EXCLAMATION-MARK-IN-BODY-ON-TECHNICAL-LIST: 4
> 
> (Obviously I need to upgrade, since you only actually used one, but maybe
> my filter can extract them from the tone of prose.  ;-)
> 
> Cheers,
> -- jra
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marc Perkel" 
>> To: mailop@mailop.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:50:28 PM
>> Subject: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a
>> game changer
> 
>> OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up.
>> I want to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I
>> want to create some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about
>> the details yet but I hope to soon.
>> 
>> I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm
>> going to be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on
>> improving the methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that
>> 1 month ago if someone asked me if this level of accuracy was possible,
>> I would have said - no way!
>> 
>> I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to
>> how it works.
>> 
>> I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's
>> especially good at actively detecting good email so false positives are
>> almost not existent.
>> 
>> I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for
>> about that long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.
>> 
>> My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a
>> license fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the
>> little guys. So that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's
>> free. Hoping to get like 1 cent per email account per year from the big
>> guys.
>> 
>> Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to
>> implement. I'm using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be
>> trivial to add it to SA. My programming skills are good but not great.
>> So the developers here should be able to do a significantly better job
>> than me. It only took me an afternoon to implement the concept and it
>> was already impressive with just 3 hours of learning.
>> 
>> This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB
>> like Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably
>> 100x better at detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email.
>> And yes - it can actively detect good email.
>> 
>> My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is
>> going to immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will
>> license it from me.
>> 
>> The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business.
>> It can recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at
>> someone elses email.
>> 
>> If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the
>> wrong kind of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the
>> condition that you report back here and tell everyone what your
>> experience is.
>> 
>> If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to
>> everyone and make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely
>> listening. I do want to release this to you all soon because you'll
>> probably make it better than I have.
>> 
>> I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.
>> 
>> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
>> supp...@junkemailfilter.com
>> http://www.junkemailfilter.com
>> Junk Email Filter dot com
>> 415-992-3400
>> 
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Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Jay Hennigan]

On 1/14/16 7:43 AM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:

I'm sorry; I didn't get to read your message.  It was blocked:

%EXCLAMATION-MARK-IN-BODY-ON-TECHNICAL-LIST: 4

(Obviously I need to upgrade, since you only actually used one, but maybe
my filter can extract them from the tone of prose.  ;-)


It could be a spacer or comment in a Cisco config, those are fairly 
common on technical lists.


As for me, I'm making popcorn while eagerly awaiting the latest, 
greatest patent-pending, FUSSP.



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Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Michelle Sullivan]

Jay Hennigan wrote:
> On 1/14/16 7:43 AM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
>> I'm sorry; I didn't get to read your message.  It was blocked:
>>
>> %EXCLAMATION-MARK-IN-BODY-ON-TECHNICAL-LIST: 4
>>
>> (Obviously I need to upgrade, since you only actually used one, but
>> maybe
>> my filter can extract them from the tone of prose.  ;-)
>
> It could be a spacer or comment in a Cisco config, those are fairly
> common on technical lists.
>
> As for me, I'm making popcorn while eagerly awaiting the latest,
> greatest patent-pending, FUSSP.

You're not the only one...   and interestingly I got this earlier...




To: "Michelle Sullivan [Webform]" 
From: dave.w...@ntlworld.com
Subject: [Webform] How to cure 90+% of fake emails
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 05:14:21 -0800 (PST)

Michelle,

I invented Domain Validation back in 2007. It works by introducing MS records 
in DNS, which act as the reverse of MX records.

That is, the sending machine looks up MX records of the recipient's domain and 
connects to a machine, and the receiving machine looks up the MS records of the 
sender's domain.

It's that simple and can be bolted into existing infrastructure. You can read 
the whole patent at www.ipo.gov.uk reference GB2449653.

Regards
Dave Wain





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Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Jay R. Ashworth]

I'm sorry; I didn't get to read your message.  It was blocked:

%EXCLAMATION-MARK-IN-BODY-ON-TECHNICAL-LIST: 4

(Obviously I need to upgrade, since you only actually used one, but maybe
my filter can extract them from the tone of prose.  ;-)

Cheers,
-- jra

- Original Message -
> From: "Marc Perkel" 
> To: mailop@mailop.org
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:50:28 PM
> Subject: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a 
> game changer

> OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up.
> I want to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I
> want to create some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about
> the details yet but I hope to soon.
> 
> I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm
> going to be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on
> improving the methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that
> 1 month ago if someone asked me if this level of accuracy was possible,
> I would have said - no way!
> 
> I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to
> how it works.
> 
> I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's
> especially good at actively detecting good email so false positives are
> almost not existent.
> 
> I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for
> about that long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.
> 
> My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a
> license fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the
> little guys. So that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's
> free. Hoping to get like 1 cent per email account per year from the big
> guys.
> 
> Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to
> implement. I'm using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be
> trivial to add it to SA. My programming skills are good but not great.
> So the developers here should be able to do a significantly better job
> than me. It only took me an afternoon to implement the concept and it
> was already impressive with just 3 hours of learning.
> 
> This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB
> like Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably
> 100x better at detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email.
> And yes - it can actively detect good email.
> 
> My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is
> going to immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will
> license it from me.
> 
> The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business.
> It can recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at
> someone elses email.
> 
> If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the
> wrong kind of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the
> condition that you report back here and tell everyone what your
> experience is.
> 
> If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to
> everyone and make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely
> listening. I do want to release this to you all soon because you'll
> probably make it better than I have.
> 
> I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.
> 
> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
> supp...@junkemailfilter.com
> http://www.junkemailfilter.com
> Junk Email Filter dot com
> 415-992-3400
> 
> 
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Re: [mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Marc Perkel]

I may have more details to publish on this tomorrow and a white paper on 
how it works some time next week.



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[mailop] I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Marc Perkel]

OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up. 
I want to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I 
want to create some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about 
the details yet but I hope to soon.


I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm 
going to be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on 
improving the methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that 
1 month ago if someone asked me if this level of accuracy was possible, 
I would have said - no way!


I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to 
how it works.


I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's 
especially good at actively detecting good email so false positives are 
almost not existent.


I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for 
about that long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.


My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a 
license fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the 
little guys. So that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's 
free. Hoping to get like 1 cent per email account per year from the big 
guys.


Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to 
implement. I'm using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be 
trivial to add it to SA. My programming skills are good but not great. 
So the developers here should be able to do a significantly better job 
than me. It only took me an afternoon to implement the concept and it 
was already impressive with just 3 hours of learning.


This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB 
like Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably 
100x better at detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email. 
And yes - it can actively detect good email.


My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is 
going to immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will 
license it from me.


The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business. 
It can recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at 
someone elses email.


If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the 
wrong kind of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the 
condition that you report back here and tell everyone what your 
experience is.


If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to 
everyone and make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely 
listening. I do want to release this to you all soon because you'll 
probably make it better than I have.


I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/ 




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