Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Atro Tossavainen via mailop]

Here's my €.02. The context for this is

http://mainsleaze.spambouncer.org/may-2021-in-spamtraps-esps/

(and similar posts on same site before, as well as my LinkedIn posts on
the same topic later)

Here's a data point to the current conversation.

[atossava@x ~]$ for i in 202?-??_ESP-blog/202*_esp_sendgrid*; do 
nextdoor=`fgrep -c .nextdoor.com $i`; total=`wc -l < $i`; month=`echo $i | cut 
-f1 -d_`; echo $month: `expr 1000 \* $nextdoor / $total` ‰ ; done

Output:

2021-01: 7 ‰
2021-02: 7 ‰
2021-03: 7 ‰
2021-04: 7 ‰
2021-05: 8 ‰
2021-06: 7 ‰
2021-07: 9 ‰
2021-08: 9 ‰
2021-09: 11 ‰
2021-10: 12 ‰
2021-11: 11 ‰
2021-12: 13 ‰
2022-01: 17 ‰
2022-02: 33 ‰
2022-03: 32 ‰
2022-04: 32 ‰
2022-05: 31 ‰
2022-06: 29 ‰
2022-07: 34 ‰
2022-08: 46 ‰
2022-09: 43 ‰
2022-10: 36 ‰
2022-11: 32 ‰

Another one is that they keep adding more trap addresses to hit, and
we've had control over these for years. Opt-in it is not.

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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Ángel via mailop]

On 2022-12-19 at 13:49 -0700, Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 12/19/22 8:21 AM, Daniele Nicolodi wrote:
> > it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their
> > user base and are mailing former users with whatever crap.
> 
> I assume that their excuse for why the contact is CAN-SPAM compliant
> is because of the "established business relationship".
> 
> I wonder how long before the "established business relationship"
> should be considered to be expired.  I'm guessing somewhere between
> one and five years.
> 
> If you've not had any interaction in that time, there is no longer
> an established business relationship.


Let's assume their initial emails were compliant due to the
"established business relationship" (even though the account is
deleted, which makes it really dubious, to say the least)

But, (IMHNAL) the non-working unsubscribe link makes it a clear
violation of the act:

> (A) In general.--It is unlawful for any person to 
> initiate the transmission to a protected computer of a 
> commercial electronic mail message that does not contain 
> a functioning return electronic mail address or other 
> Internet-based mechanism, clearly and conspicuously 
> displayed, that--
>   (i) a recipient may use to submit, in a manner 
>   specified in the message, a reply electronic mail 
>   message or other form of Internet-based 
>   communication requesting not to receive future 
>   commercial electronic mail messages from that 
>   sender at the electronic mail address where the 
>   message was received


This is the kind of case that in other countries would result in a
straightforward case with the regulator. I'm not that familiar with the
US, though.


I guess the unsubscribe link is not working because it is trying to
store the preference in the missing account. But had they deleted the
email address along the account, they wouldn't face such problem...




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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Slavko via mailop]

Dňa 19. decembra 2022 20:49:36 UTC používateľ Grant Taylor via mailop 
 napísal:
>On 12/19/22 8:21 AM, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop wrote:
>> it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user base 
>> and are mailing former users with whatever crap.
>
>I assume that their excuse for why the contact is CAN-SPAM compliant is 
>because of the "established business relationship".
>
>I wonder how long before the "established business relationship" should be 
>considered to be expired.  I'm guessing somewhere between one and five years.
>
>If you've not had any interaction in that time, there is no longer an 
>established business relationship.

But, when the unsubscribe link is not working, it can be up
to 125 years or moved to children of childrens...

regards


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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Grant Taylor via mailop]

On 12/19/22 8:21 AM, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop wrote:
it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user 
base and are mailing former users with whatever crap.


I assume that their excuse for why the contact is CAN-SPAM compliant is 
because of the "established business relationship".


I wonder how long before the "established business relationship" should 
be considered to be expired.  I'm guessing somewhere between one and 
five years.


If you've not had any interaction in that time, there is no longer an 
established business relationship.




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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Daniele Nicolodi via mailop]

On 19/12/2022 20:36, Jay Hennigan via mailop wrote:

On 12/19/22 07:21, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop wrote:

Hello,

it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user
base and are mailing former users with whatever crap. The unsubscribe
link at the end of their emails does nothing. If anything it seems that
following the link is seen as engagement and the number of usolicited
emails increases.


I've been subscribed for many years and until recently Nextdoor only
emailed local neighborhood events as expected.

Starting on September 19, Nextdoor began sending at least triple the
volume of previous email, stories about items all over the country. It
took quite a bit of fiddling with settings in their web portal to tame
it back to local events only.

There was no notice or opportunity to opt-out of the non-local noise
ahead of time and the process to unsubscribe from the unwanted and
unrequested items was not obvious.

Either my efforts to unsubscribe were successful or they got the message
from others that what they were doing was a bad idea as it seems to have
reverted to local items only.


I thought that "former user" in the description of my situation was 
clear enough to mean that I don't have an user account with them 
anymore. However I received a few replies now suggesting to check my 
notification settings in my user account. I will repeat it once more:


I don't have an user account with Nextdoor.

Activating one requires going through the snake mail verification 
process. Not living in the US anymore, this is not an option. Even if it 
would, I don't think that requiring this to opt out of their spam is a 
sensible policy.


Anyhow, space in /dev/null is cheap. I'll archive there all their 
communications for later analysis.


Cheers,
Dan

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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Jay Hennigan via mailop]

On 12/19/22 07:21, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop wrote:

Hello,

it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user 
base and are mailing former users with whatever crap. The unsubscribe 
link at the end of their emails does nothing. If anything it seems that 
following the link is seen as engagement and the number of usolicited 
emails increases.


I've been subscribed for many years and until recently Nextdoor only 
emailed local neighborhood events as expected.


Starting on September 19, Nextdoor began sending at least triple the 
volume of previous email, stories about items all over the country. It 
took quite a bit of fiddling with settings in their web portal to tame 
it back to local events only.


There was no notice or opportunity to opt-out of the non-local noise 
ahead of time and the process to unsubscribe from the unwanted and 
unrequested items was not obvious.


Either my efforts to unsubscribe were successful or they got the message 
from others that what they were doing was a bad idea as it seems to have 
reverted to local items only.


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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Laura Atkins via mailop]

I did have the same problem with them adding me to a ton of lists I didn’t want 
to be on (I’ve not lived in the US in 4 years, GTFO).  Disabling notifications 
followed by deleting my account worked to stop the mail. If it’s not working 
for you, I might contact the privacy folks and tell them their mail system is 
broken if I was feeling generous. But the blocking the email at the source may 
be your only solution. 

laura 


> On 19 Dec 2022, at 16:26, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop  
> wrote:
> 
> I had an account, I disabled all email delivery, and deleted the account. Now 
> Nextdoor is back with several messages per day. Unsubscribe link does not do 
> anything.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
> 
> On 19/12/2022 16:51, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> If you have an actual nextdoor account going into the account and setting 
>> everything to “never send me email, ever, no not even then” works fine.
>> laura
>>> On 19 Dec 2022, at 15:21, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user base 
>>> and are mailing former users with whatever crap. The unsubscribe link at 
>>> the end of their emails does nothing. If anything it seems that following 
>>> the link is seen as engagement and the number of usolicited emails 
>>> increases.
>>> 
>>> Is there anything that can be done to make them desist or should their 
>>> messages simply be directed to /dev/null?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dan
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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Daniele Nicolodi via mailop]

On 19/12/2022 17:51, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:

On 2022-12-19 at 11:26:30 UTC-0500 (Mon, 19 Dec 2022 17:26:30 +0100)
Daniele Nicolodi via mailop 
is rumored to have said:


I had an account, I disabled all email delivery, and deleted the
account. Now Nextdoor is back with several messages per day.
Unsubscribe link does not do anything.


Is it really that hard to just 5xx all their mail?


No, it is not. I just wanted to check if someone else heard of similar 
behavior from them. And maybe someone at Nextdoor is listening and can 
put their act together.


Cheers,
Dan

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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Bill Cole via mailop]

On 2022-12-19 at 11:26:30 UTC-0500 (Mon, 19 Dec 2022 17:26:30 +0100)
Daniele Nicolodi via mailop 
is rumored to have said:

I had an account, I disabled all email delivery, and deleted the 
account. Now Nextdoor is back with several messages per day. 
Unsubscribe link does not do anything.


Is it really that hard to just 5xx all their mail?

I don't see ANY traffic from them, but I deal with mostly business email 
users.




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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Daniele Nicolodi via mailop]

I had an account, I disabled all email delivery, and deleted the 
account. Now Nextdoor is back with several messages per day. Unsubscribe 
link does not do anything.


Cheers,
Dan

On 19/12/2022 16:51, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
If you have an actual nextdoor account going into the account and 
setting everything to “never send me email, ever, no not even then” 
works fine.


laura



On 19 Dec 2022, at 15:21, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop 
mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:


Hello,

it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user 
base and are mailing former users with whatever crap. The unsubscribe 
link at the end of their emails does nothing. If anything it seems 
that following the link is seen as engagement and the number of 
usolicited emails increases.


Is there anything that can be done to make them desist or should their 
messages simply be directed to /dev/null?


Cheers,
Dan
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Re: [mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Laura Atkins via mailop]

If you have an actual nextdoor account going into the account and setting 
everything to “never send me email, ever, no not even then” works fine.

laura 



> On 19 Dec 2022, at 15:21, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user base 
> and are mailing former users with whatever crap. The unsubscribe link at the 
> end of their emails does nothing. If anything it seems that following the 
> link is seen as engagement and the number of usolicited emails increases.
> 
> Is there anything that can be done to make them desist or should their 
> messages simply be directed to /dev/null?
> 
> Cheers,
> Dan
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[mailop] Is there a way to unsubscribe from Nextdoor emails?

[Daniele Nicolodi via mailop]

Hello,

it seems that Nextdoor recently went on a mission to expand their user 
base and are mailing former users with whatever crap. The unsubscribe 
link at the end of their emails does nothing. If anything it seems that 
following the link is seen as engagement and the number of usolicited 
emails increases.


Is there anything that can be done to make them desist or should their 
messages simply be directed to /dev/null?


Cheers,
Dan
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