VIRGIL: Re: requitur
... Agnew Moyer Smith Inc. p: 412.322.6333 f: 412.322.6350 w: http://www.amsite.com e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Leofranc Holford-Strevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your gracious reply. Where did you find it? Long story, but I think it was the name of a sword in a long-lost historical novel. I've seen non requitur in a legal context, perhaps somehow connected with or contrasted with non seq. Also, Et sicut non requitur tanta deliberatio ad simplicem loquelam, sicut ad iuramentum (quia saepe est loquendum et raro iurandum) ita non requiritur tanta ... ---William of Ockham, Dialogus, pars 1, lib. 7, cap. 34-38 I should have listened more carefully to the Christian Brothers in 9th grade. Highest regards, Geo. H. Best wishes Leofranc Holford-Strevens *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* Leofranc Holford-Strevens 67 St Bernard's Road usque adeone Oxford scire MEVM nihil est, nisi ME scire hoc sciat alter? OX2 6EJ tel. +44 (0)1865 552808(home)/353865(work) fax +44 (0)1865 512237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) *_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Caesar novelised
Memo Subjecte: VIRGIL: Caesar novelised1/3/00 08:47 For those of us who came in late, can someone please explain the name Mantovani? George (Little Latin, less Greek) Heidekat On 12/23/99, Charles Skallerud wrote: The whole series is nicely abridged on tape for those who may not have time to read all of it. There is also an unabridged version of one or two volumes. Charles Skallerud - Original Message - From: M W Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 23, 1999 7:14 AM Subject: VIRGIL: Caesar novelised For a train journey recently I bought a copy of 'Caesar' by Colleen McCullough, well known for 'The Thorn Birds'. I thought that it was a rather creditable and very well researched presentation of part of the history on which V comments, so I commend it to you! The general line is the Sallustian one in which there must be some truth, describing an aristocracy corrupted by greed and the availability of imperial loot, with the gossipy elements of Cicero's letters played up to give the characters life. V's sense of Pompey and Caesar as genuinely 'concordes animae' is endorsed. Vercingetorix, the rebellious Gaul, tries to persuade Caesar that the Romans need a king: so Caesar is presented as an imperialist, originally enlightened, eventually forcing on his own people the very values which he had at first considered barbaric. I'd think that this view underplays the 'civilised' monarchism of the Greeks, which must have influenced both Caesar and V, as Cairns points out in 'V's Augustan Epic'. At any rate, McCullough's novel reminded me of how many strong and vivid characters, real source material for a great epic, were involved in the Fall of the Republic. I've missed taking part in Mantovano discussion for a month or two: we've had a tough term at Durham University. May I wish everyone a pleasant Year 2000? - Martin Hughes --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: Re: Maro's birthplace
Memo Subjecte: Maro's birthplace 1/3/00 10:06 Danke. On 1/3/00, hans.uma.zimmermann wrote: George (Little Latin, less Greek) Heidekat schrieb: Memo Subjecte: VIRGIL: Caesar novelised1/3/00 08:47 For those of us who came in late, can someone please explain the name Mantovani? for those of us who come in now, can you please explain where you found the name Mantovani? Mantova is Maro's birthplace, Mantua me genuit... grusz, hansz --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
RE: VIRGIL: re:Why A Horse?
Memo SubjectE: VIRGIL: re:Why A Horse? 04/05/99 06:28 Doesn't Homer use the phrase, Horse-taming Trojans? Geo. .. Agnew Moyer Smith Inc. vox: 412.322.6333 fax: 412.322.6350 net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine H Tate wrote: Fellow subscribers, I asked my professor the other week why did the Greeks build a huge horse; why not a huge statue of Niki or some other figure? He researched and came up with that this was a good figure for a seige engine. I still want to know if their is some significance in a horse,like the sign given by Juno that a spirited head of a horse would mark the foundation for Carthage. Is there a reason to be found as to why the Trojan Horse? Why not another image? Somewhere there must be a little something that explains why a horse? Did the Trojans rever horses? Curious and must be more than a good model for a seige engine, Kimber --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
RE: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction
Memo SubjectE: VIRGIL: Helen's Abductio02/11/99 07:42 The Iliad indicates that, at least during the Trojan war, she experienced a lot of remorse for having gone along with Paris. .. Agnew Moyer Smith Inc. vox: 412.322.6333 fax: 412.322.6350 net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rebecca Smyth wrote: Salvete! I have the pleasure and honour of teaching Classical Studies to a class of 17 year old young ladies and our current topic is the Aeneid. One of my students asked me today whether or not Helen minded being given as a gift to Paris and therefore whether or not she was abducted. I hope someone is able to help me with answering this question satisfactorily. I would greatly apreciate any comments on this so that my students and I can have an informed and intelligent discussion. Thank you very much, Rebecca Smyth. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 12949 invoked from network); 11 Feb 1999 01:49:08 - Received: from wilsoninet.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail.amsite.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 1999 01:49:08 - Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id RAA27312; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:06:25 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: wilsoninet.com: Host f235.hotmail.com [207.82.251.126] claimed to be hotmail.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [202.37.173.1] From: Rebecca Smyth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VIRGIL: Helen's Abduction Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:06:01 PST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: REMOVE
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VIRGIL: Thanks to LHS
Memo Subjecthanks to LHS 12/10/98 10:42 Many thanks to Leofranc Holford-Strevens for the boat-race episode translation. Geo. .. Agnew Moyer Smith Inc. vox: 412.322.6333 fax: 412.322.6350 net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leofranc Holford-Strevens wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], George Heidekat [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Reply to: Seeking translation---one sentence. Hi (Heus!) My Franklin Day Planner quote for the day is, They can because they think they can. Virgil. Can anyone confirm that this is a real quotation, tell me where it occurs, and provide the Latin? Thanks! Possunt quia posse videntur: _Aeneid_ 5. 231, from the boatrace episode. -- Leofranc Holford-Strevens --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 14270 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 23:53:14 - Received: from wilsoninet.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail.amsite.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 23:53:14 - Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id PAA25242; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 15:51:07 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: wilsoninet.com: Host post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40] claimed to be post.mail.demon.net Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 22:44:43 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Leofranc Holford-Strevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Seeking translation---one sentence. In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 5F+CKYUQomUVIsIr63$Pff++gY Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
Re: VIRGIL: Seeking translation---one sentence.
Memo Subjecte: VIRGIL: Seeking translat12/10/98 10:46 Thanks to Dick Miller for possunt... translation. Geo. .. Agnew Moyer Smith Inc. vox: 412.322.6333 fax: 412.322.6350 net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] RMiller945 wrote: In a message dated 12/9/98 4:41:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Franklin Day Planner quote for the day is, They can because they think they can. Virgil. Can anyone confirm that this is a real quotation, tell me where it occurs, and provide the Latin? Thanks! I've read the Latin somewhere as POSSUNT QUOD POSSE VIDENTUR. Somebody with a Vergil concordance can answer for sure. Dick Miller --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub RFC822 header --- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 14314 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1998 23:57:30 - Received: from wilsoninet.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mail.amsite.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1998 23:57:29 - Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by wilsoninet.com (8.8.5) id QAA26474; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:07:24 -0700 (MST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 17:39:29 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: VIRGIL: Seeking translation---one sentence. Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
VIRGIL: Seeking translation---one sentence.
Reply to: Seeking translation---one sentence. Hi (Heus!) My Franklin Day Planner quote for the day is, They can because they think they can. Virgil. Can anyone confirm that this is a real quotation, tell me where it occurs, and provide the Latin? Thanks! .. Agnew Moyer Smith Inc. vox: 412.322.6333 fax: 412.322.6350 net: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- To leave the Mantovano mailing list at any time, do NOT hit reply. Instead, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message unsubscribe mantovano in the body (omitting the quotation marks). You can also unsubscribe at http://virgil.org/mantovano/mantovano.htm#unsub
