Re: Trouble with parentheses in Markdown hyperlinks
I registered markdown.io for a year but did nothing with it during that time, so let the registration lapse. I'm happy to reregister this domain name (or to register a different one) and to point it at the appropriate nameservers. David On Monday, 22 October 2012 at 8:24 PM, Boris Le Ninivin wrote: On 10/23/2012 02:37 AM, David J. Weller-Fahy wrote: Ah-hah! I knew I was too tired when I responded - let me clarify. I don't believe we'll need fcgiwrap or Nginx, as I already have a functional setup of ikiwiki running under mathopd, and can duplicate that for another user easily enough. Your VPS, your call. :) I can do the initial setup of the wiki and gitolite, assuming the gitolite configuration is not rocket science (TM). I'll run the wiki under an isolated user, set some reasonable defaults, and then get you setup as the administrator. Note, I'm committing to donating VPS hosting, but not to being the active maintainer of the wiki. I would hand that over to you, and would be a sometime helper, but RL does not allow for much free time. Same here, so it might be great if a couple of other people would ask for an access (id_rsa.pub) via git too; so they can put things we forget (or don't have the time to add) in the wiki. I can get those items done within the next few days (before Friday, certainly), and then we can test connectivity and make sure you have full access to the wiki's repository. Depending on the availability of the virtual-server manager of the French association I mentionned before, I might already have (I've asked a few days ago, but they have much to do apparently) a working VPS at this point... So... Wait and see... To make sure I fully understand: The intent of this Wiki would be to provide a central repository for documentation about Markdown, the variants available (including the 1.2b8 and other semi-official variants), the quirks and bugs of each, and start working toward community convergence w.r.t. a future Markdown2, or whatever it will be called. Did I capture that correctly? Same idea here yes. Plus a link to a (list of the?) multi-dingus, if available. Final item: What temporary* subdomain does the community want? I can put anything on the front of my caterva.org (http://caterva.org), and was tempted to just create md.caterva.org (http://md.caterva.org), but realized others may have a preference. So: What say y'all? I was thinking about using a domain under a first level TLD such as mdwn.tk (http://mdwn.tk). The thing being : We (or you) HAVE to set up a working wiki with some (even minimal) content before we ask for the domain, or it will be taken down in minutes (their policy is quite restrictive about non-resolving websites and inactivity). What do the others on the list think? *: There is nothing more permanent that a temporary measure, so I tend to assume temporary names are going to be permanent now. ;) Anyway, that's my brain-bytes for now. If I missed anything or there are questions throw them out there. Regards, ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net (mailto:Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net) http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: Trouble with parentheses in Markdown hyperlinks
On 10/24/2012 06:19 PM, David Chambers wrote: I registered markdown.io for a year but did nothing with it during that time, so let the registration lapse. I'm happy to reregister this domain name (or to register a different one) and to point it at the appropriate nameservers. David I was thinking of getting mdwn.tk Markdown.io would be a better name though, I think... Does anyone else have an opinion? :) ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: Trouble with parentheses in Markdown hyperlinks
I only ever dealt with .tk domains as a teen when I couldn’t afford a real domain, and they would basically iframe your real site and add advertisements. It wasn’t a good experience. I trust things may have changed since then, but I still don’t ever see or trust .tk domains. On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Boris Le Ninivin boris.lenini...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/24/2012 06:19 PM, David Chambers wrote: I registered markdown.io for a year but did nothing with it during that time, so let the registration lapse. I'm happy to reregister this domain name (or to register a different one) and to point it at the appropriate nameservers. David I was thinking of getting mdwn.tk Markdown.io would be a better name though, I think... Does anyone else have an opinion? :) ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss Alan Hogan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: Trouble with parentheses in Markdown hyperlinks
I've not tried to use a redirect to hide another website's address. I use their DNS instead, and I see no ads... But I use adblock, so I'm not sure. Boris On 10/24/2012 07:46 PM, Alan Hogan wrote: I only ever dealt with .tk domains as a teen when I couldn't afford a real domain, and they would basically iframe your real site and add advertisements. It wasn't a good experience. I trust things may have changed since then, but I still don't ever see or trust .tk domains. On Oct 24, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Boris Le Ninivin boris.lenini...@gmail.com mailto:boris.lenini...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/24/2012 06:19 PM, David Chambers wrote: I registered markdown.io for a year but did nothing with it during that time, so let the registration lapse. I'm happy to reregister this domain name (or to register a different one) and to point it at the appropriate nameservers. David I was thinking of getting mdwn.tk Markdown.io would be a better name though, I think... Does anyone else have an opinion? :) ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net mailto:Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss Alan Hogan ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: | Quote #1 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #2 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #3| It always ends up looking the same as this: | Quote #1 [regular linebreak] Quote #2 [regular linebreak] Quote #3 [regular linebreak]| So far, I've always put an acute accent ( ´ ) between the quotes, because it was the least obtrusive character I could think of: | Quote #1 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #2 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #3 [regular linebreak]| But of course this is still an ugly workaraound. Is there another way to go about this? Looking forward to any hints, Thomas ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Folks, my apologies. Those links seem to break after running through the listserv. Below, I use my URL shortener to give you un-breakable links. My original suggestion to Thomas: http://ajh.us/bmd1 The actual link to the funny lunamark behavior: http://ajh.us/bmd2 Alan smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Waylan Limberg way...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Thomas Maibaum thomasmaib...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: Well, if you don't want the output to be visible, and as Markdown accepts raw html, why not an html comment. Like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+baz You can even eliminate some of the blank lines like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+baz Although that breaks pandoc in strange ways. However, all other implementations handle that fine and you save a few blank lines in your document. The rest are necessary though. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Another (ugly) option: blockquote quote 1 /blockquote blockquote quote 2 /blockquote blockquote quote 3 /blockquote This is no good, though, if the quotes contain markup of their own, as you'll be forced to write that in HTML too. David On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 at 1:27 PM, Waylan Limberg wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Waylan Limberg way...@gmail.com (mailto:way...@gmail.com) wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Thomas Maibaum thomasmaib...@gmail.com (mailto:thomasmaib...@gmail.com) wrote: Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: Well, if you don't want the output to be visible, and as Markdown accepts raw html, why not an html comment. Like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%0A%3E+baz You can even eliminate some of the blank lines like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A%3C!--+blank+line+--%3E%0A%3E+baz Although that breaks pandoc in strange ways. However, all other implementations handle that fine and you save a few blank lines in your document. The rest are necessary though. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net (mailto:Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net) http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Thanks all of you (Alan, Waylan, Hogan)! Oops. That should have been Alan, Waylan, *David*, obviously. ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Scott Granneman, 2012-10-24 23:37: Well, if we’re going with ugly, what’s wrong with the good ol’ fashioned non-breaking space? I for one feel that an empty HTML comment looks slightly less ugly than the text nbsp; in the Markdown text. But as I said, it's a matter of taste. :) Apart from that, I just compared the two methods and I noticed that this... quote text nbsp; quote text ... for some reason creates a *larger* break between the quote parts than this: quote text !-- -- quote text At least using Thunderbird with MarkdownHere, I haven't tried other ways yet. The comment method is more what I expected, but it's good to know that a non-breaking space creates a slightly different output, should I ever need it. Thorsten ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Thomas Maibaum thomasmaib...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from that, I just compared the two methods and I noticed that this... quote text nbsp; quote text ... for some reason creates a *larger* break between the quote parts than this: quote text !-- -- quote text Well, sure it is. A comment is nothing. A non-breaking space is something: a space. That’s why I suggested it. Scott -- R. Scott Granneman sc...@granneman.com ~ www.granneman.com ~ granneman.tel Full list of publications @ http://www.granneman.com/publications My latest book: Mac OS X for Power Users @ http://www.granneman.com/books “Who is rich? He that is content. Who is that? Nobody.” ---Benjamin Franklin ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
Scott Granneman, 2012-10-25 00:14: Well, sure it is. A comment is nothing. A non-breaking space is something: a space. That’s why I suggested it. It wasn't that obvious to me, I have to admit. It seems that a comment is a bit more than nothing, though: After all, it *does* create a break between the paragraphs where previously there was none. But as I said, it's good to know that the non-breaking space creates a *bigger* space than the comment, so thanks for pointing it out. :) Thomas ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
See question 6 here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/faq.html#what-are-some-big-questions-that-the-markdown-spec-does-not-answer And note that pandoc allows you to create two blockquotes if you leave blank space between, http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A If you want one blockquote with two paragraphs, do it like this: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%3E%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A Unfortunately the other implementations don't make this distinction. +++ Thomas Maibaum [Oct 24 12 22:09 ]: Hello everyone, First off, I'm new to this list, so if this has been dealt with before, I apologize. I was unable to find a solution in Google. My question is, how do I insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs so that they are visually separate? I often need to put two or three separate blockquotes in a row, without any regular text between them, but Markdown always renders the HTML output like one long quote. Like this: Quote #1 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #2 [line break followed by empty line or spaces] Quote #3 It always ends up looking the same as this: Quote #1 [regular linebreak] Quote #2 [regular linebreak] Quote #3 [regular linebreak] So far, I've always put an acute accent ( ´ ) between the quotes, because it was the least obtrusive character I could think of: Quote #1 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #2 [regular linebreak] ´ Quote #3 [regular linebreak] But of course this is still an ugly workaraound. Is there another way to go about this? Looking forward to any hints, Thomas ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: Trouble with parentheses in Markdown hyperlinks
+++ Andrew Pennebaker [Oct 18 12 09:52 ]: What I'm saying here is that relying on 3rd parties solutions while a very cheap (or even free) VPS would be sufficient is asking for unnecessary trouble. I agree that we should opt for convenient, preferably free hosting. I don't mean to start a technical argument about static vs dynamic web pages. What I'm trying to convey is that GitHub, while an incredibly easy CMS, only supports static web pages, not wikis, which require a running system that can modify a database for wiki edits. Github has wikis for each project. Example: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/wiki You'd only have to create a 'markdown' project, which needn't have anything in it but a README.markdown file with a link to the wiki. Anyone with a github account could edit the wiki. This seems far easier than any of the other proposals. ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: Trouble with parentheses in Markdown hyperlinks
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:18 PM, David Chambers david.chambers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, October 24, 2012 at 7:25 PM, John MacFarlane wrote: Github has wikis for each project. Example: https://github.com/jgm/pandoc/wiki You'd only have to create a 'markdown' project, which needn't have anything in it but a README.markdown file with a link to the wiki. Anyone with a github account could edit the wiki. This seems far easier than any of the other proposals. I created the markdown account on GitHub some time ago. If there's support for John's suggestion, we could create a public repository in that account and use its wiki. +1 from me. There used to be an old wiki (I forget where) which lasted for some years. But it died a slow death. First from lack of maintenance, then from spam, then from being locked down to avoid the spam. No longer being publicly editable was the last nail in its coffin. At least that's the way I remember it. The thing about github it that is has user management features to help with spam, etc. (not that other wiki systems don't but...) David if you make that user account an organization then if/when you ever lose interest in or run out of time to maintain it, you can share with or pass ownership off to any other github user - with no need to pass off control of a hosting account or move it to a new hosting account or transfer control of a domain ... and all the other relevant headaches with that sort of thing. Also, as a bonus, the default page url (using github pages) would be markdown.github.com - which is even better that github-flavored-markdown gets. Sure, that page wouldn't be as easily editable as a wiki, but just make it static with general info and a link to the wiki - or don't - use pull requests as moderated editing of the github page. Trusted and frequent editors of the doc (and/or implementation authors) could be given full editing privileges of the underlying repo using there respective user accounts (which privileges could still be revoked upon abuse). For that matter, as an organization, each implementation author could host their implementation under markdown/[implementation_name]. Or if they don't want to, auto-updating mirrors could be added (although, unfortunately, the auto-updating script would need to be maintained externally). Great for one-stop shopping for all implementations. I know I'd use it to browse markdown.pl's source - rather than downloading the zip file. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 11:33 PM, David Chambers david.chambers...@gmail.com wrote: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/?normalize=1text=%3E+foo%0A%0A%3E+bar%0A%0A I love pandoc's approach here. It's logical, and makes it just as trivial to mark up consecutive single-paragraph quotes as it is to mark up a two-paragraph quote. This is exactly the sort of thing that could be profitably discussed were we not bound by the somewhat inconsistent behaviour of the original Perl script. Do others agree that pandoc's treatment of such cases is preferable to the “specified” behaviour? What I'm asking is what others would advocate if we were discussing a hypothetical format with no backwards-compatibility concerns. (Let's not have every discussion derailed by the backwards-compatibility discussion.) :) I already stated my opinion in a separate message on what is proper behavior in markdown, but your not asking about that here. Sure, if I was involved in designing some new inspired-by-markdown-but-not-markdown language, then yes Pandoc's behavior would get my vote in this instance. The thing is, I'm not really interested in designing by committee, and I don't follow this list to consider inspired-by-markdown languages. I follow this list because I maintain a _markdown_ implementation and sometimes support questions for my implementation get asked here - or sometimes inconsistencies in implementation can be worked out - or something like babelmark2 comes along which I want to know about, use, and provide access to my implementation for... (you get the idea). Most anything else is just an annoying distraction to me. Sure, if people want to announce some new markdown related project here - great, I'm glad to see markdown grow. But I'm not interested in filtering through message after message about some hypothetical inspired-by-markdown language that know one is putting any real work into (and if there is real work - great - but that discussion belongs elsewhere). But hey, I'm just one person. What do I know? Maybe my overly busy schedule lately is making me ornery. -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
Re: How to insert a blank line between blockquote paragraphs?
I guess you're right. I'll leave it in for now, so as not to confuse people trying to follow this discussion, but add a note that points to your post. +++ Waylan Limberg [Oct 24 12 23:23 ]: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM, John MacFarlane j...@berkeley.edu wrote: See question 6 here: http://johnmacfarlane.net/babelmark2/faq.html#what-are-some-big-questions-that-the-markdown-spec-does-not-answer And note that pandoc allows you to create two blockquotes if you leave blank space between, Which is clearly in violation of the syntax rules [1]. According to the rules, these two examples are to produce the exact same output: ~~~ This is a blockquote with two paragraphs. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Aliquam hendrerit mi posuere lectus. Vestibulum enim wisi, viverra nec, fringilla in, laoreet vitae, risus. Donec sit amet nisl. Aliquam semper ipsum sit amet velit. Suspendisse id sem consectetuer libero luctus adipiscing. ~~~ and ~~~ This is a blockquote with two paragraphs. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Aliquam hendrerit mi posuere lectus. Vestibulum enim wisi, viverra nec, fringilla in, laoreet vitae, risus. Donec sit amet nisl. Aliquam semper ipsum sit amet velit. Suspendisse id sem consectetuer libero luctus adipiscing. ~~~ Note that the first sentence of each example states that that entire example ... is **a** blockquote with two paragraphs (emphasis added). That states explicitly that it must be interpreted as one blockquote. There is no other interpretation. Pandoc is simply wrong here (even in strict mode - using the above examples from the rules) and I would suggest that John M. should remove that question from his FAQ. Or at least move it to the divergences between implementations section. There is no big question on this issue. As an aside, after seeing John list this as a big question I reread the rules and initially thought it might be a valid question. Other than implying (but not explicitly stating) that the two examples should produce the exact same output, I didn't see any indication in the main text explicitly stating that the second example should produce one blockquote. Only after rereading a second time did I notice that this part of the rule is explicitly stated in the example itself - and only in the example. My point is, it is easy to miss, but that doesn't mean its not part of the rule - or that it can be interpreted in multiple ways. [1]: http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax#blockquote -- \X/ /-\ `/ |_ /-\ |\| Waylan Limberg ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss ___ Markdown-Discuss mailing list Markdown-Discuss@six.pairlist.net http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/markdown-discuss
