Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Albino Biasutti Neto www.tux-es.org www.binoinformatica.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
but how can we guarantee the local producers will give the share to TDF? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.**com http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/**danishkanavin http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/**danishkanavin/http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
Good question Danishka: I would think TDF opens several web stores, one that is US based, another one in Europe, another one in Asia, etc. I would also make sure that what we're discussing is a TDF store designed to fund TDF; anything regional has to be handled by the local/regional NGOs that should ideally be known by and have an agreement with TDF. (and to answer your next question: we have a NGO meeting scheduled in Paris, that's also why it was suggested not to start the present discussion now). best, Charles. Le 04/09/2011 15:55, Danishka Navin a écrit : but how can we guarantee the local producers will give the share to TDF? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.**com http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/**danishkanavin http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/**danishkanavin/http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.org marketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
You get LibreOffice people to be the local people. I know of a NY City company that needs a minimum of 4 items per order, and Drew knows a one-up company. Get local people involved to be the local/regional providers for the items. Trust them to provide a share/donation to LO. Since you would have to deal with individuals for the EU area for printing/shipping, you will need to find them in the other regions that would be the go-between for the orders. What guarantee do you have for people who will produce DVDs and actually donate part of the sales to LO? It is a matter of Trust. If I could do a business out of my government-subsidized apartment, I would sell copies of DVDs and LO items [polo shirts and such]. But I am limited in what I can do. If someone wants a DVD from me, I could ship one to him/her with a gift to cover me costs, but I could not sell them one [as far as I know]. I shipped a copy [or three] of the NA-DVD to a guy in Malta. He said he could help with the shipping costs. Whether or not he does provide me with it, it is up to him, but I could not sell him a copy of the DVD[s]. So it is a matter of Trust. Do you trust people in the different regions of the world to provide regional LO items and donate some of the income to TDF/LO? Do you trust someone in the next city or country that is your friend to do the same. It is all about Trusting people to do the right thing. If you want to know about the New York City company that I would use to print/embroider shirts, hats, etc., send me direct email off the list. On 09/04/2011 09:55 AM, Danishka Navin wrote: but how can we guarantee the local producers will give the share to TDF? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.**comhttp://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/**danishkanavinhttp://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/**danishkanavin/http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%2bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: You get LibreOffice people to be the local people. I know of a NY City company that needs a minimum of 4 items per order, and Drew knows a one-up company. Get local people involved to be the local/regional providers for the items. Trust them to provide a share/donation to LO. Since you would have to deal with individuals for the EU area for printing/shipping, you will need to find them in the other regions that would be the go-between for the orders. What guarantee do you have for people who will produce DVDs and actually donate part of the sales to LO? It is a matter of Trust. If I could do a business out of my government-subsidized apartment, I would sell copies of DVDs and LO items [polo shirts and such]. But I am limited in what I can do. If someone wants a DVD from me, I could ship one to him/her with a gift to cover me costs, but I could not sell them one [as far as I know]. I shipped a copy [or three] of the NA-DVD to a guy in Malta. He said he could help with the shipping costs. Whether or not he does provide me with it, it is up to him, but I could not sell him a copy of the DVD[s]. So it is a matter of Trust. Do you trust people in the different regions of the world to provide regional LO items and donate some of the income to TDF/LO? Do you trust someone in the next city or country that is your friend to do the same. It is all about Trusting people to do the right thing. If you want to know about the New York City company that I would use to print/embroider shirts, hats, etc., send me direct email off the list. I am not talking about the TDF community but external people. On 09/04/2011 09:55 AM, Danishka Navin wrote: but how can we guarantee the local producers will give the share to TDF? On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. On 09/04/2011 07:51 AM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Yes. Make this month one year of TDF. 2011/9/3 Danishka Navindanis...@gmail.com Hi Folks, What do you think about commencing TDF store with parrellel to the 1st year anniversary? Cheers! -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.comhttp://danishkanavin.** blogspot.com http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavinhttp://twitter.com/**danishkanavin http://twitter.**com/danishkanavin http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/http://www.flickr.com/photos/**danishkanavin/ http://www.**flickr.com/photos/**danishkanavin/http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%**2bh...@global.libreoffice.orgmarketing%252bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.**libreoffice.org/get-help/** mailing-lists/how-to-**unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundati**on.org/**http://documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoff** ice.org/global/**marketing/http://libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/ ht**tp://listarchives.libreoffice.**org/global/marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Cheers, -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+help@global.** libreoffice.orgmarketing%**2bh...@global.libreoffice.orgmarketing%252bh...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-* *** http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.**libreoffice.org/get-help/** mailing-lists/how-to-**unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundati**on.org/**http://documentfoundation.org/** Netiquettehttp://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**Netiquettehttp://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoff** ice.org/global/**marketing/ http://libreoffice.org/global/**marketing/ ht**tp://listarchives.libreoffice.**org/global/marketing/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
2011/9/4 Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I am not talking about the TDF community but external people. All right. But *who* are external people? And how can we identify them? For me the only fact someone is using LibreOffice is enough to put him/her in. Cheers. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 Para que as pessoas conquistem a paz em suas relações, a paz espiritual e a paz entre os povos, é preciso que antes se ganhe a batalha interna das virtudes sobre os defeitos - Talal Husseini - Filósofo Acropolitano For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote: 2011/9/4 Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I am not talking about the TDF community but external people. All right. But *who* are external people? And how can we identify them? For me the only fact someone is using LibreOffice is enough to put him/her in. There was an incident here about selling Firefox Tshirts without informing to the Mozilla. Otherwise we have to mention the regional suppliers in the TDF site itself. I am also voting for regional stores as I can by 3 tshirts for the total cost of Europe/US price -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
2011/9/4 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. Indeed. In the other hand, marketing material can be produced at lower prices if purchased in larger quantities. Maybe we should think in having some regional storages for regional distribution. In this case, logistics become crucial and control on distribution, the use of the trademarks could be monitored, as well the destination of the money. Some countries have a lot of barriers on importation. Brazil, for example, has a U$50,00 limit per person, for imported itens, including shipping costs (yes, we do pay fares on shipping costs, also). If this limit is broken, we pay importation fares of 60% or more. Also, those itens cannot be used for selling. Rules are different for companies. So, for us brazilians, it's a kind difficult to order itens in a larger scale. It's really cheaper to produce them locally. Concerning to the local community trust. I give you the question back: Why should people trust TDF is using their efforts properly? Despite of that, many, many people are contributing to Libreoffice and *trusting* on TDF. But, the discussion on if they will be allowed to use the brand (the brand they are working hard to spread and support) is still stucked in property rights. I think the use of the Community Brand (the one without de TDF citation) should not be too regulated. Every item with that mark, even if that item doesn't converts to an amount of money to TDF, helps to spread and promote LibreOffice. And that's good for TDF as well. I think we should encourage people to do that and sugest/ask/encourage them to contribute to TDF with part of their profit. But not prohibit them to do it if they don't contribute. In any case we are taking advantage of them. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote: 2011/9/4 Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I am not talking about the TDF community but external people. All right. But *who* are external people? And how can we identify them? For me the only fact someone is using LibreOffice is enough to put him/her in. There was an incident here about selling Firefox Tshirts without informing to the Mozilla. Otherwise we have to mention the regional suppliers in the TDF site itself. I am also voting for regional stores as I can by 3 tshirts for the total cost of Europe/US price + shipping cost -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
Le 04/09/2011 16:38, Danishka Navin a écrit : On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org wrote: 2011/9/4 Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I am not talking about the TDF community but external people. All right. But *who* are external people? And how can we identify them? For me the only fact someone is using LibreOffice is enough to put him/her in. There was an incident here about selling Firefox Tshirts without informing to the Mozilla. Otherwise we have to mention the regional suppliers in the TDF site itself. I am also voting for regional stores as I can by 3 tshirts for the total cost of Europe/US price + shipping cost I think that anyway anyone can use the LibreOffice logo (without the subline) according to our TM policy. But I'm a bit skeptical as to how Paulo defines the people who contribute to LibreOffice and that we apparently are not aware of. We have defined pretty much (and with some range) who are contributors to our community and our project. The notion that somehow these people should not be trusted is weird and not really friendly-sounding. What do you mean, Paulo, that whatever contributors do should be taken with mistrust? So yes, we're talking about stores, not about anyone selling a T-shirt. In fact, anyone can sell a t-shirt with the LibreOffice logo without the TDF subline: I don't think it helps TDF, and I think it does anything but covering the cost of T-shirt production and whatever profit you want to make out of it. But I would also see disadvantages as clearly saying that we support anyone using our logo: otherwise why would we have any TM policy (and why would we have a foundation anyway?)? Best, Charles. -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/danishkanavin http://identi.ca/danishka http://www.flickr.com/photos/danishkanavin/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Commence of the TDF store
Hi all, 2011/9/4 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@varekai.org 2011/9/4 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com I would think people would buy LibreOffice related items. The only thing needed is regional offerings. I would not want to pay shipping prices for shirts from Germany to the USA. Indeed. In the other hand, marketing material can be produced at lower prices if purchased in larger quantities. Maybe we should think in having some regional storages for regional distribution. In this case, logistics become crucial and control on distribution, the use of the trademarks could be monitored, as well the destination of the money. Some countries have a lot of barriers on importation. Brazil, for example, has a U$50,00 limit per person, for imported itens, including shipping costs (yes, we do pay fares on shipping costs, also). If this limit is broken, we pay importation fares of 60% or more. Also, those itens cannot be used for selling. Rules are different for companies. So, for us brazilians, it's a kind difficult to order itens in a larger scale. It's really cheaper to produce them locally. Concerning to the local community trust. I give you the question back: Why should people trust TDF is using their efforts properly? Despite of that, many, many people are contributing to Libreoffice and *trusting* on TDF. But, the discussion on if they will be allowed to use the brand (the brand they are working hard to spread and support) is still stucked in property rights. The Firefox Example is consistent, and fits in a similar way in our case. Much of the product recognition, the prestige and also the maintenance and continuity, is due to the trademark protection. Therefore, regardless of the users are doing with the software and how much they likes and approves the work done from TDF to improve the LibreOffice, the brand has to be managed by TDF, exactly the way that being done. And Paulo, I ask you to understand my observations, just under the TM Policy of the TDF and LibreOffice. The TDF is here to garantee the continuity of a project that helps a lot the society, even with no return or recognition. I ask you to forgive me frankly, but sometimes I see the vision of free software in Brazil is deeply politicized, what often makes it impossible for serious professionals have their work respected. You, working with free software in Brazil, knows that FOSS is stuff of leftist, communist for a large proportion of the Brazilian society, and this vision is not correct. This view, sometimes prevents our work be correctly considered. I'm sure you've tried to explain to your peers about free software, and many don't hear you, thinking that this is stuff of communist. FOSS is a stuff of specialist, for the society. Therefore, freedom is a factor to be considered. Therefore we use the GPL's, for the code. So, some protections for the continuity of the project has to be taken, and these safeguards have to be conducted by the TDF. After all, that's the TDF for. And by the way, I also understand that the issue here's not 'cause of shirts. Because they may be sold, even with no return to the LibreOffice and, IMHO, I don't see clearly what the shirts will truly help TDF, but maybe will make some of our users happy, I think. Best regards, David I think the use of the Community Brand (the one without de TDF citation) should not be too regulated. Every item with that mark, even if that item doesn't converts to an amount of money to TDF, helps to spread and promote LibreOffice. And that's good for TDF as well. I think we should encourage people to do that and sugest/ask/encourage them to contribute to TDF with part of their profit. But not prohibit them to do it if they don't contribute. In any case we are taking advantage of them. -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 For people to achieve peace in their relationships, spiritual peace and the peace among people, it's necessary, earlier, to win the internal battle between virtues and defects - Talal Husseini - Acropolitan Philosopher -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly
