Re: [libreoffice-marketing] The LibO developers need input from former users. A proposal. (readable version)
Michael wrote: Because if we really want LibO to become the number one office suite in the world Do we really want _that_? I do not believe in maximizing market share of free software. I think of two goals with a b. a) make free software, open standards and LibreOffice known. b) deliver the best possible software you can. I guess, the problem is, that the importance of freedom is not known at all for the average user. So, I would modify the questions so that they reflect a) and give some more insight into that. And to be honest, if a) and b) are in a good shape, I really do not care if the business in my neighbourhood uses free software if they willingly decided against it. Here, here.. This is not in contrast to the rest of your mail, just that paragraph struck me right away. But anyway I would be careful with user surveys, or do you want ordinary people you meet for example in public transport or in shopping malls have any influence on the direction of software you love and care for? ;) Regards, Michael -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Oracle to cast off OOo
Craig Olofson wrote: Excuse me if this is old news but; Even though the cynic in me expected this development, I'm still surprised. I look forward to our council's statement. fyi, -Craig Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice Friday's news is a massive turnaround by a company that just seven months ago refused to relinquish power over the OpenOffice project that it inherited from Sun Microsystems. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/15/oracle_letting_openoffice_go/ Why should The Document Foundation make a statement about what Oracle does? Nothing in this or other articles has indicated that Oracle will give up the copyright to the OpenOffice.org name to anyone else. I do not see them giving the copyright to TDF. If they do then that would be reason for TDF to comment. My 2cents. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Paper plane concept
Lucas Filho wrote: Hello Community, *Using google translator. Some months ago I began a discussion about the logo LibreOffice and suggested the use of a paper airplane: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Change-icon-td1831076.html # a1838400 As a result of this suggestion created this proposal for a logo: http://picasaweb.google.com/lucascoe/Diversos # 5538482204813388722 Here in Brazil we are creating our DVD and would like to know of the possibility of using this concept in our DVD. Is it just a suggestion to the community, but I think it a good test of the concept. I write to know if there are any objections since the initial proposal was to renewal soon. And as it was used like to test the concept in our DVD. Waiting in the wings. I think you would get a better response on the Design mailing list. That is where this type of thing would be discussed and decided. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] DVD Label Creation Software
On Sun Jan 30 2011 12:27:24 GMT-0800 (PST) Anthony Papillion wrote: Thanks Ben! I'll check it out. Anthony World Label not only has CD/DVD labels [1] but supplies ODT templates for each style. [1] http://www.worldlabel.com/Pages/pageaudiodiskettelabels.htm HTH -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: no labels ready :( Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice DVD test
On Sat Jan 29 2011 19:40:19 GMT-0800 (PST) Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) It is better to give people links rather than just criticise so i went to our wiki page because i know a couple of people have designed Cd/Dvd labels. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page The most relevant page appears to be Marketing because we have no pages for Sales, or Design. It would make sense to have labels and stuff in Marketing right? There is even a sub-page http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material which is completely empty :( From the mailing lists i remember each person that designed a label just getting criticised rather than helping to have something ready for general use. Meanwhile other teams, such as developers, have produced excellent finished products. Give Fabien a break. He has produced something that looks great even if it is not exactly what other people would have done. I think he should use the one he has designed and add it to the http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material page. Other people could add theirs until we have a selection to choose from or vote on or use for inspiration to develop from. I am replying to the thread, not to Mike's email in particular, as none of us have given Fabien a good useful answer. Regards from Tom :) Hi Tom, A more relevant links would be: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Ideas#CD.2FDVD_Labels http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Bedipp/Drafts The first, to me, would be the better location. HTH Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment
Hi Marc, On Thu Dec 09 2010 08:03:14 GMT-0800 (PST) Marc Paré wrote: I will offer to keep track of these unless anyone else has any objections to it. No objection from me and thanks for offering. I have also added a short disclaimer on the page: (NOTE: at this point there has been no decision from the Document Foundation Steering Committee as to whether to endorse some of these contacts officially. THEREFORE PLEASE NOTE that the Document Foundation will NOT be held responsible for any problems resulting with the quality or delivery of these materials. These remain the responsibility of the purchaser and the provider. -- Marc Paré, Marketing Team Member) You can find the page here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas/Distribution I also agree with Ben that you should have either an email or website available for interested users. Marc I would suggest that something close to the OOo Distribution Project web site be used for the 'Official' distribution of LibO as well. It would be nice to have a mailing list dedicated as well to reduce the chance of a missing request in the regular Marketing list. It would also be very helpful to have 'Official' logos and disk labels that can be used on web pages and printed for the disk. My OOo page is a www.the-martin-byrd.net/openoffice.org.html . Graphics like the ones that OOo have for use on web pages would also be great. I will setup and publish a like page for LibO when we get a stable release. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment
On Thu Dec 09 2010 11:30:10 GMT-0800 (PST) Andy Brown wrote: Hi Marc, On Thu Dec 09 2010 08:03:14 GMT-0800 (PST) Marc Paré wrote: I will offer to keep track of these unless anyone else has any objections to it. No objection from me and thanks for offering. I have also added a short disclaimer on the page: (NOTE: at this point there has been no decision from the Document Foundation Steering Committee as to whether to endorse some of these contacts officially. THEREFORE PLEASE NOTE that the Document Foundation will NOT be held responsible for any problems resulting with the quality or delivery of these materials. These remain the responsibility of the purchaser and the provider. -- Marc Paré, Marketing Team Member) You can find the page here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas/Distribution I also agree with Ben that you should have either an email or website available for interested users. Marc I would suggest that something close to the OOo Distribution Project web site be used for the 'Official' distribution of LibO as well. It would be nice to have a mailing list dedicated as well to reduce the chance of a missing request in the regular Marketing list. A couple more things to think about as well. Is there any plans to setup a ISO mirror system? Who will build the ISOs for the community distributors? It would also be very helpful to have 'Official' logos and disk labels that can be used on web pages and printed for the disk. My OOo page is a www.the-martin-byrd.net/openoffice.org.html . Graphics like the ones that OOo have for use on web pages would also be great. I will setup and publish a like page for LibO when we get a stable release. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment
On Thu Dec 09 2010 12:36:16 GMT-0800 (PST) Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-12-09 14:39, Andy Brown a écrit : A couple more things to think about as well. Is there any plans to setup a ISO mirror system? Who will build the ISOs for the community distributors? I think I was a mention of this in another thread. I'll try to find it, otherwise, we could start another thread for this. Marc In the process of drafting a message for the website list on this and a couple of other web related items. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment
Hi Marc, On Thu Dec 09 2010 12:33:39 GMT-0800 (PST) Marc Paré wrote: Hi Andy, sounds great! IMO, we still need someone from the SC to chime in on the discussion and give us the TDF opinion. The TDF, IMO, should approve the distribution project but not any one or group of distributors. The list should be to help possible users find a supplier not promote one over another. Re: graphics ... I know that the design team is working on this, but the logo is still a little way in coming. I don't believe that we will have a new logo till next version. We will just have to use what is there to start off with. See Design list as I have made a query there on the 'Official' logo status. In my mind, it would be great if we could all agree to the same page format on our individual websites. This would provide a more familiar site to returning users. To be part of the message I am working on for the website list. My thinking is a copy of the CSS files and build a framework that any supplier site could use, with slight modifications. I am not sure about the costs, I am a little worried that, especially for the US, if we go on a big marketing push, that offering free CD/DVD copies may be a little too expensive. I am in Canada so, maybe a little less ... although, Novell sent 3 DVD copies of StarOffice to every school in the province of Ontario. That would most have likely been in the hundreds of copies, if I were to copy this with LO. I would not just mail to a school. I would rather contact someone and find out how many would be needed/used. I have a school that I sent 30 disk for them to use as lending disk from their computer labs. Another time I mailed 20 disk to a club to give to computer students that were taking a class. BTW, would you know in what packages (envelopes) you were sending these out. We could work out these little details on the wiki too. Was the postage cost the same or did you have to get the envelope weighed? Was it in the general mail system or was it by parcel post or registered mail? You could tell us of the process you went through to mail out a CD/DVD copy. I use 6.5 by 9.5 inch clasp envelopes that I pickup from an office supply store. I use slim style cases, but others seem to use regular CD/DVD sleeves, to hold the disk. When I started I would take the disk to the local post office and have them weighted. Now I just put on the stamps and mail them from home. When having them weighed the cost was either 98 cents or $1.52, it depended on the clerk and how they saw the package. Since I started mailing from home I put a 1.00 US stamp and just mail them. I have not had any problems with returned for postage yet so that is what I stick with. The disk are mailed through the US Postal Service first class, the size and weight being close to that of one of the fancy sound greeting cards that you see that plays music or sound clip when opened. For those that need more than one disk per address there are other options depending on the quantity need. All total it cost me less than $1.50 to burn, label, package and mail a single disk. I use Imation disk that I buy in bulk when I catch them on sale at the office supply store, $10.00 for 100 disk. The cases I get from a discount store, $5.00 for 25 cases. The labels I get from www.worldlabel.com, 100 sheets/200 labels for $12.95 + shipping, and they have templates for OOo/LibO. The envelopes I do not remember right off but $5.00 for 100 envelopes sounds about right. I keep only two or three disk on hand ready to mail so that I do not have wasted disk if there is a new version released. As an added service I drop _one_ email to those that have ordered/reordered disk since the last major release. HTH Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment
On Thu Dec 09 2010 14:25:30 GMT-0800 (PST) Marc Paré wrote: Here is an exchange on the dev list Marc said: I am also on the Mageia marketing team and we have just discussed the same issue and we are going to promote local Mageia communities to issue copies on DVD's. This seems like the most logical and most inexpensive way of promoting the distro where there is a need for it on disc. We could certainly promote this for our groups as well. This would also promote the creation of LibreOffice communities where they do not exist. CD or DVD may not be the best for some countries where heat and humidity are very high, their life is very short (sometimes less than 3 months from my own experience). In Benin or Burkina Faso for example, USB sticks are far better than CD. Kind regards Sophie I saw this and if that is what it takes then the customer will have to help cover the cost, it is that simple. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Magazine -- official monthly magazine to the LibreOffice world
On Mon Nov 29 2010 08:12:42 GMT-0800 (PST) Benjamin Horst wrote: On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Danishka Navin wrote: On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Sadiq Saif sadiq.9...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Dhiren here. It might be difficult to produce unique and interesting content for the duration of one month. Also, I assume the magazine will be in PDF format? we can add PDF option but just plain text email would be good for low bandwidth users. We can cover; New Features Community Events An Interview LibreOffice Tips Success Stories As a email newsletter, this concept matches perfectly with the idea of an end user-focused broadcast email that I've been considering. We would collect user email addresses when they download LibO from our site, and add them to our mailing list. A precedent for this is the open source project Miro ( http://getmiro.com/ ). Click the download button on the homepage and you'll start downloading the app. While waiting, the page suggests you enter your email address, and they add you to the mailing list. Every month or so, they send a newsletter email, in HTML format, with news, reminders, events, etc. It's a good way to keep users mindful of the application and project. I think it would work for us too. -Ben As long as it is made clear to the user what they are getting and that it is not required to download the program. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fleeing the paper airplane : )
On Mon Nov 15 2010 13:00:27 GMT-0800 (PST) Graham Lauder wrote: On Tuesday 16 Nov 2010 08:51:45 Leo Moons wrote: Hello Lucas, Your logo proposal looks great to me: I even see an opened laptop in the L and a videoscreen in the O. On the other hand, I am/was a great fan of the seagulls in OOo, which represented freedom in all its aspects. NONO, no gulls please :) Heh it is an interesting thing, cultural nuance, in NZ seagulls don't represent freedom they're scavengers, annoying, noisy and the s**t on anything that's not covered and most of them live on landfills so they're not very hygienic, rats with wings basically. If I was going for a bird, I like owls. :) Now that gets my +1. :) Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing suggestion: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
On Sun Nov 14 2010 09:34:10 GMT-0800 (PST) Frank Esposito wrote: I want to applaud you for the work spent on ScreenWriter(R) and other templates for OOo and by extension LibreOffice but I personally do not feel that adding another extension to the, already bloated download, is going to help anyone. I feel that those that are already there are hurting LibO. Not everyone has access to high bandwidth internet and we do not want to limit any more that we can help. My 2 cents. Andy LO screenplay should really be either a separate extension or a completely new project (e.g., LibreScreenply, LibreFilm), but it is a great idea. ScreenWriter(R) is a template, it defines page, paragraph and other styles to fit the requirements for screen writers. The author has other version for different type of writing, have a look at the OOo extensions web site. I can see a need for such a series of templates I just do not see a need to preload LO with them. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing suggestion: enable screenplay formatting with LibreOffice
On Sat Nov 13 2010 18:17:41 GMT-0800 (PST) Alan C. Baird wrote: Proposal for significantly enlarging LibreOffice's user base with Screenwright(R) 13 November 2010 by Alan C. Baird, prizewinning writer and creator of the Screenwright(R) screenplay formatter [winner of the Sun/OOo CIP award] Alan, I want to applaud you for the work spent on ScreenWriter(R) and other templates for OOo and by extension LibreOffice but I personally do not feel that adding another extension to the, already bloated download, is going to help anyone. I feel that those that are already there are hurting LibO. Not everyone has access to high bandwidth internet and we do not want to limit any more that we can help. My 2 cents. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibO Slogan
On Fri Nov 12 2010 16:35:07 GMT-0800 (PST) Michel Gagnon wrote: Le 2010-11-12 17:01, Marc Paré a écrit : You can find the Wiki page under Marketing. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Slogan Cheers Marc Is there a way to link it to the main page? Right now, it is impossible to find from the Marketing page (unless I need new glasses). Regards, On the right hand side is a list, under Wiki, that has Home, Events, etc. Marketing is listed fifth one down. That being said the Slogan page does not seem to be referenced on the Marketing page. HTH -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: RE : Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Advice Needed
On Fri Nov 05 2010 11:42:48 GMT-0700 (PDT) David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) butt I think it's a pity that TDF isn't planning to work up a revenue stream like paid technical support, in a Canonical style... I would have imagined it could maybe win over more enterprise users, notably, and could help finance the costs of running the project (which voluntary contributions are currently not meeting, apparently). It would be interesting to know why, if someone wanted to take time out to explain... 0.2 cents. /butt David Nelson Actually I like the idea that Anthony has. We need more of this type support. Small local offices/shops to provide the paid support could be very helpful, like having a friend or family there to help. My 2 cents. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Ad Campaign: LibreOffice is...
On Fri Nov 05 2010 12:37:50 GMT-0700 (PDT) Dave Johnson wrote: On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/5/2010 2:14 PM, Dave Johnson wrote: Any thoughts on my art? Dave: I didn't see any artwork attached. Are you sure you sent it along with your post? Anthony No sure why but these list do not allow attachments, been that way since day one. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
On Wed Nov 03 2010 23:33:59 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-03 17:42, Andy Brown a écrit : Start here http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ same place for OOo and LibO. There is a link there back to the Extensions repository. Andy Thanks. The obvious question is ... are we going to brand a page and have our own repository? I imagine this is yes. Marc That would be my suggestion. As I said in an earlier post either a place on the main server to store/list the templates or extensions or a link to page on the main server. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
On Wed Nov 03 2010 12:28:45 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: Every time I hear of these resource, I keep thinking repository. Is there a repository where LibO can store these resources. Are we allowed to create a repository with these? Marc All you need to create a repository is drive space on the web. How useful it will be is how easy it is to find. A slot on the new server that is being installed would be great, but good referral links on that server would work as well. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Templating Teams
On Wed Nov 03 2010 13:03:09 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: Le 2010-11-03 15:48, Andy Brown a écrit : All you need to create a repository is drive space on the web. How useful it will be is how easy it is to find. A slot on the new server that is being installed would be great, but good referral links on that server would work as well. Andy Thanks Andy Were there other templates offered with OOo? and if so, were they kept in a repository? I'm new to all of this. Start here http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ same place for OOo and LibO. There is a link there back to the Extensions repository. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising Templating Teams? This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to come up with different templates for various categories. The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories. In general I agree with you. But why limit to those that have expertise in a given area. I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked up templates for others. The person may have an idea or details but not be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use style or the like. A real team would have expertise in several areas working together. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[off list] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams
On Tue Nov 02 2010 11:39:35 GMT-0700 (PDT) drew wrote: Hi Andy, I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused, group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...) I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle 5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution. Do we have somewhere set aside on the wiki to up load items? I have redone the pamphlet and would like others to look at and give feedback. I also have a couple of templates that I did that I can move/convert to LibO that I can up load as well. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Hey
On Wed Oct 27 2010 10:39:03 GMT-0700 (PDT) Ole Eskildsen wrote: True, list archives *are available, but they are just as unreadable.* **It would be a *huge* improvement if forum software were installed, the reading of a thread would be much, much easier. When you connect to the page you will see, on the upper right hand side, thread index, date index and list of pages and ways to move between the pages. HTH -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Marketing Material: Questions with regard to The Document Foundation and LibreOffice
On Thu Oct 21 2010 15:06:20 GMT-0700 (PDT) Christoph Noack wrote: Hi all, in the most recent Steering Committee minutes [1] there is an item that discusses the availability of marketing material. We know that there are several topics people are very interested in ... but are there some more? Did we miss something important within all the recent discussions? I kindly ask you to put add the points you are interested in - I've prepared a small list in the wiki. Starting point: If there would be some talk (10 ... 60 minutes) about The Document Foundation and LibreOffice - what topics should be covered (the must have)? If you think about adding some topics - do it now and don't wait :-) I think we can come up with a sufficient collection within the next days; what do you think? What about printed materials? That is something that was sadly lacking on the OOo site. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] OpenOffice.org Roles
On Sun Oct 17 2010 19:24:11 GMT-0700 (PDT) Ramon Sole wrote: Hi *, I disagree, I feel same people can't be ruling OOo and TDF. And I see a clear Conflict of Interest for people in the Community Council. Both communities will be able to collaborate in tons of things, but the project leaders can't share responsabilities in both projects. If so, why to have two Communities? The shame is that a such simple thing has been to be asked by the OOo Council members to some people. You can't fork a open source project and keep leading the original one! It's atonishing just trying to do it. Best Greetings, Hi Ramon, As a member of the overall community is that the CC members be recalled by those that elected them. For Oracle just have them removed it not right. A special election should be help to replace them. That is all I am asking for. Andy -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US marketing list started
On Sat Oct 16 2010 07:58:18 GMT-0700 (PDT) Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, I have just started the US marketing list for LibreOffice. All those who want to engage themselves for marketing LibreOffice and The Document Foundation in the US, please join our efforts: market...@us.libreoffice.org Subscription: marketing+subscr...@us.libreoffice.org Digest subscription: marketing+subscribe-dig...@us.libreoffice.org Archives: http://us.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ Mail-Archive.com: http://www.mail-archive.com/market...@us.libreoffice.org/ GMANE: pending Florian Thanks -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Proposal for new Wiki Page(s) - event organizer kit
On Thu Oct 14 2010 16:36:34 GMT-0700 (PDT) Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 19:22 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: Hello, Was thinking that it makes sense to setup an event organizer Kit area on the wiki. This would be a place to list helpful tips and collateral for individuals looking at organizing LibO specific events: Meetups Booth at linux fest/expo mini-cons conferences What do folks think. +1 +1 Checklists of tips: there are some good ones around that could be gathered together and adapted (if necessary) for our use. Having the info, or at least links, on the wiki can make life so much easier for most of us -- despite all my experience, I'm always forgetting something! +1 Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Events Calendar
On Thu Oct 14 2010 19:03:58 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: The only problem with this is that depending on where you live, you may not be aware of events where the LibO brand could be represented. Even if the list is posted and there is no representation, we could then make plans for the following year to address the missed opportunity. Not only that, it would be great from a marketing point of view, if we noticed that there were not enough event done in particular regions/countries that we could try partnering up with other agencies and host/promote new events. The events list is not one where we might go, but more of a list where the representation of the LibO brand should take place. More of a corporate plan of name branding and market presence. I would vote for a full list of events, represented or not. After which, the marketing team could analyse the data and determine if our efforts could be better concentrated in a different way or if we could focus on missed opportunities the next time they come round. Marc +1 I agree strongly. Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice
On Wed Oct 13 2010 15:21:08 GMT-0700 (PDT) Manfred Usselmann wrote: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 00:33:19 +0300 Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: This was on the news recently, see ars technica for a good analysis, http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-posts-video-of-customers-criticizing-openoffice.ars It is a Microsoft video to scare people away from open-source and OpenOffice.org. Wow, this is really incredible how they try to influence and scare people in such vicious way. Will this thing help to get Oracle to react on the Document Foundation and LibreOffice? How? Oracle Open Office is based on that evil thing called OpenOffice.org, which will harm you in any possible way and soon even start eating your children. This puts me in mind of the Political ads running here in the United States right now. Smear the opposition at all cost. May the other 'guy' look worse that you are. At least they go the name right, including the .org. : -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice
On Wed Oct 13 2010 17:08:46 GMT-0700 (PDT) Andy Brown wrote: On Wed Oct 13 2010 16:56:31 GMT-0700 (PDT) Simos Xenitellis wrote: I did not make myself clear. It would be great if Oracle joined forces with the LibreOffice effort, and merge the two (OOo, LibO) together. Such an attack video might influence Oracle to act and strengthen OpenOffice.org (OOo is weak due to the departure of the people who created the Document Foundation and LibO). As far as I understand, Oracle did not take a high-level position yet on the desertion of OOo. Simos Oracle has made a statement, and as soon as I can find it again I will post a link. Here is the link. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oracle-Demonstrates-Continued-iw-1735604847.html?x=0.v=1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Microsoft posts video of customers criticizing OpenOffice
On Wed Oct 13 2010 17:19:55 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote: No better time than now. We should make sure that the user support links on our webpages are clearly well placed and visible. How about reviewing this right now? Let's take a look at where the links are and if they need new placement, let's do it now. I will have to leave that to the experts. Even with the Support tab on the OOo site it is hard to find stuff, especially when you do not know what your looking for. To me that is the problem with _any_ web based system. If you know what your looking for then Google is your best friend, if not all you can do is follow each path to see if it helps. I hate automated phone systems for that reason. We should use this video to analyse the main complaint -- support and show how wrong it is. That is the point, it may not be wrong. Not everyone that uses a computer has the will to lean when for years all they had to do was pickup a phone. We should all be on the user support mailist (yes I am on it) to assure quality and familiar support to users. Nothing better than a familiar face. I have been on the OOo Discuss and Users list for well over a year. I have in the past few weeks started scanning the forums, OOo and OOOForum. As soon as LibO user, discuss list were announced I joined them. I also scan the LibO form even though not much is there at the present time. We will also need something similar to corporate support (maybe set this up in the very near future) with help with devs who could trouble shoot networked installs of LibO distro. Again, here, familiar faces count for a lot. I would be interesting to find out how much business is generated by the OOo support links. I have been part of many school board It committees examining the use OpenOffice installs and this is one of the main reasons/complaints behind not adopting the distro. For some reason the view is that the OpenOffice support is inferior to anything else, even if the help tickets going to MS Office product lines take 2-3 days to get back to you -- not only that, but this poor support is actually paid support. It may not be inferior but it is not what they are use to. Again picking up a phone means they do not have to think. I happen to think/know that the Ooo user support online is one of the best support services anywhere. Very few support systems free or paid can come close to it. We just advertise this and make good on it. Support will sell the concept. How many Open Source programs have 24hr phone support, even paid? Other things that the video brought up was the lack of compatibility with MSO, which is not the fault of Open Source but MS's. Until there is a demand from users that MS products comply with the ISO requirements there will never be 100% compatibility, anyone that come close would be sued by MS for copyright infringement. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO North American group
On Tue Oct 12 2010 09:37:22 GMT-0700 (PDT) James Walker wrote: As I said I am all for this, Any suggestions on where to start. James Walker On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: Thought is safer to have this on it's own discussion rather than hijacking the mktg conference call. Drew, Do we need to change the wiki? NA instead of US? Andy (La Mesa, CA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] marketing conference call
On Tue Oct 12 2010 12:29:03 GMT-0700 (PDT) Graham Lauder wrote: On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 05:01:31 Andy Brown wrote: I agree. This is something that OOo was lacking. From what I understand there use to be a MarCon in the region but not any more. Andy (La Mesa, CA) That was Ryan Singer and he's on the lists somewhere. Ryan put yer hand up! Did not realize that was Ryan. I have seen messages from him here and other places. Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted.
