Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Spain's Extremadura starts switch of 40, 000 government PCs to open source

2013-05-02 Thread Benjamin Horst

On May 2, 2013, at 10:38 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster 
webmas...@krackedpress.com wrote:

 On 05/02/2013 10:03 AM, Fabian Rodriguez wrote:
 On 2013-05-02 09:25, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 Fabián, you are saying that these 40,000 PCs would use Linux and
 LibreOffice, instead of Windows and MS Office?
 According to the article, yes. I am just confirming what I saw.
 
 I also visited the Andalucía region and it's the same scenario there.
 That was *in 2007*.
 
 I am really glad that Fabián let us know about the Spanish region that
 is switching.  We need to see more of that. Yet we really need a list
 somewhere reflecting these articles and the numbers.
 White paper / use cases from the commercial support companies behind
 GNU/Linux and those listed for LibreOffice (where is that list again)
 should help.
 
 Not every company thinks about writing those and making them public, though.
 
 F.
 
 Do you agree with me about having a list of known articles and making an 
 outline style of list showing the governments, businesses, etc., who 
 switched?  The would be much easier that telling the potential user, or 
 manager, to go online and Google for articles and/or go to one of LO's 
 pages for a list of articles.
 
 I do not have the time and such to search for all of these articles and white 
 papers for the information.  It would be a good idea of having a wiki page 
 set up where a poster would list the
 organization name and location
 number of PCs if known
 a few sentences about the organization, business, government [maybe]
 the URL where the info was published
 
 all organized by country.
 
 I know there is a page that list articles by region, but it does not help 
 with a quick look at the who and how many have switched.

I helped maintain this page a few years ago. It should provide a good starting 
point for what you need-- 
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments

-Ben


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite

2013-03-21 Thread Benjamin Horst
 http://www.itworld.com/enterprise-software/348971/open-xchange-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite

This looks promising. If you visit the demo site, you can click around and use 
a real, pre-release version of the app now. It looks good and seems to work 
well.

Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Open-Xchange to launch open-source, browser-based office suite

2013-03-21 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Mar 21, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Charles-H. Schulz 
charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote:

 Craig,
 
 My two cents : you catch more flies with honey :-)
 
 Best,
 
 Charles.
 
 
 Craig Olofson c.olof...@gmail.com a écrit :
 
 On 03/21/2013 11:43 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 21/03/13 12:29 PM, Benjamin Horst a écrit :
 http://www.itworld.com/enterprise-software/348971/open-xchange-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite
 
 
 This looks promising. If you visit the demo site, you can click 
 around and use a real, pre-release version of the app now. It looks 
 good and seems to work well.
 
 Ben
 
 I wonder who the OOo devs could be? It would have been neat if they 
 had contributed to the LibreOffice project.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Marc
 Is anyone in Marketing in a position to post a congratulations and, by
 
 the way, this is where we are with in-browser LibO? (cc'ing Italo)
 
 -Craig

From what I can tell, OX's Text app is completely new, from the ground up. 
I'd look at it as a potential new ally in the larger ODF world and see if we 
two projects can help each other. Its pedigree should not impact our 
relationship with OX Text in any negative way.

Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] US Journalist blames LibO for lost work

2012-12-13 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Dec 13, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 12/13/12 6:17 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:
 
 Good question about document length and how was he saving. What I read
 did not have enough details to know truly what happened.
 
 Received both docs, unfortunately they are DOCX. Short doc, three pages,
 seems to be a format problem and not a content problem (the DOCX is
 damaged).

That was going to be my guess--saving into a foreign document format does seem 
to add potential for more problems. (At least historically; I haven't used the 
MS docx formats much in a long time.)

It's a shame his post was framed as a critique of LibreOffice, when it could 
just as easily have been a critique of the docx family of formats. (My headline 
would have been: Why is docx such an unreliable format that I cannot 
manipulate it using the software tool of my choice without headaches?)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Need help with EN text and improving it

2012-11-19 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Nov 18, 2012, at 9:11 PM, dhiren jani dhirenj...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Due to the increasing popularity of the free office suite, we receive a lot 
 of support requests everyday. 

One minor note: in this context, it should read every day as two separate 
words, if you use this version.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] what languages are being worked on for LO - not listed on the download page

2012-11-19 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:12 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P webmas...@krackedpress.com 
wrote:
 
 I showed it to a doctor and his non-English language was not listed.
 Filipino - if I got it right.

It might be listed under Tagalog, which is, to my understanding, essentially 
the same language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Track-Management-System for LibreOffice Conference(s)

2012-04-30 Thread Benjamin Horst
I will likely be building a site with Drupal COD later this summer, so I'll 
have experience with its effectiveness at that point. Unfortunately, I just 
don't have the time right now to offer my assistance with building the site, as 
much as I would like to.

If things change, I'll let you know. Thanks!

Ben

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On Apr 29, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de wrote:

 Hi Benjamin,
 
 I looked on the site today. It seemed nice but I get the information
 from there that it works only with Drupal 6 and not the new line Drupal
 7. They are searching for sponsors to upgrade.
 
 I'm not familiar with Drupal but I know that there are always issues if
 you had to upgrade to a new version of Drupal (because your current one
 is not supported with patches/new minor versions anymore).
 
 I asked on the website- and on the foundation-mailinglist some time ago
 for proposals for an evaluation of a conference management system but
 get no feedback.
 
 If you want to evaluate the Drupal conference organizing tool I'm happy
 with this. I have no experience with Drupal yet and thus I can't work on
 that topic. We need also someone (or a group) who is volunteering to
 maintain the Drupal instance.
 
 Regards,
 Andreas
 
 Am 29.04.2012 00:46, schrieb Benjamin Horst:
 The Drupal Conference Organizing Distribution may fulfill you requirements, 
 have you reviewed it?
 
 http://usecod.com/
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Track-Management-System for LibreOffice Conference(s)

2012-04-28 Thread Benjamin Horst
The Drupal Conference Organizing Distribution may fulfill you requirements, 
have you reviewed it?

http://usecod.com/

Ben

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On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Hi :)
 The name doesn't make any sense anyway.  What does it mean?  Surely you are 
 talking about a procedure or a guide or documentation or suggested advice 
 or a How To Manage a Conference or is it a policy or set of rules of 
 things that have to be done?  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 
 
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 From: Andreas Mantke ma...@gmx.de
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Track-Management-System for LibreOffice 
 Conference(s)
 To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
 Date: Saturday, 28 April, 2012, 12:48
 
 Hi Tom,
 
 Am 28.04.2012 13:26, schrieb Tom Davies:
 Hi :)
 Please, CMS means something else and using those 3 initials could cause a 
 lot of confusion for various teams and people in the LibreOffice community.  
 It means Content Management System.  
 Regards from
 Tom :)
 I know that common abbreviation. What would you suggest as alternative
 for a Conference Management System?
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] AppStore

2011-06-30 Thread Benjamin Horst
 On 27 Jun 2011, at 12:50, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 
 When we discussed this last year, I researched a bit and found the following 
 article from the FSF:
 http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance
 
 The article's summary:
 
 An iPhone port of GNU Go is currently being distributed through Apple's App 
 Store. However, this distribution is not in compliance with the GNU GPL. The 
 primary problem is that Apple imposes numerous legal restrictions on use and 
 distribution of GNU Go through the iTunes Store Terms of Service, which is 
 forbidden by section 6 of GPLv2. So today we have written to Apple and asked 
 them to come into compliance. We would be happy to see Apple distribute 
 these programs under the GPL's terms, but unfortunately, it seems much more 
 likely that they'll simply make the problem go away by removing GNU Go from 
 the App Store.
 
 I think the above refers to the iOS App Store, but I do not know if the 
 relevant terms are any different for the Mac App Store. (I think it predates 
 the existence of the Mac App Store.) 
 
 The other difference is that the article refers to the GPL and not 
 specifically the LGPL license.
 
 I will follow up further and let you know what I discover.


I've heard back from Brett Smith from the FSF. They had not previously analyzed 
the details of the interaction between the LGPL and Mac App Store, but are 
working on that now. We may hear more information as soon as tomorrow or 
shortly thereafter.

Meanwhile, do any LibO developers have an Apple developer account? This is a 
necessary prerequisite to submitting an application to the Mac App Store.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] AppStore

2011-06-28 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:

 On 27 Jun 2011, at 12:50, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 
 When we discussed this last year, I researched a bit and found the following 
 article from the FSF:
 http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance
 
 The article's summary:
 
 An iPhone port of GNU Go is currently being distributed through Apple's App 
 Store. However, this distribution is not in compliance with the GNU GPL. The 
 primary problem is that Apple imposes numerous legal restrictions on use and 
 distribution of GNU Go through the iTunes Store Terms of Service, which is 
 forbidden by section 6 of GPLv2. So today we have written to Apple and asked 
 them to come into compliance. We would be happy to see Apple distribute 
 these programs under the GPL's terms, but unfortunately, it seems much more 
 likely that they'll simply make the problem go away by removing GNU Go from 
 the App Store.
 
 I think the above refers to the iOS App Store, but I do not know if the 
 relevant terms are any different for the Mac App Store. (I think it predates 
 the existence of the Mac App Store.) 
 
 The other difference is that the article refers to the GPL and not 
 specifically the LGPL license.
 
 I will follow up further and let you know what I discover.
 
 Personally I think that conclusion is debatable. While Apple was the channel, 
 the actual distribution was done by whoever put the software into the channel 
 and it's not obvious to me that the situation is any different to, say, 
 buying a PC with Linux on it from a members only retailer like CostCo. As 
 long as the offer of source was made, I suspect an equally valid case could 
 be constructed that there's no coming into compliance to be done. 

Indeed, it's not a universally-agreed conclusion. I have discovered a popular 
GPLv2 licensed application in the Mac App Store, which could be a good sign for 
us.

I have contacted the author of the above article on FSF's site to see if he can 
provide more information for us. I have also contacted the author of the GPLv2 
app on the Mac App Store to learn from his experience and ask for a little help.

 Not that I am a lawyer, of course :-)  Just saying that I suspect the action 
 in that link was motivated more by politics than by legal certainty...

If there is uncertainty around it, then we should proceed boldly and 
confidently, and just get it done instead of censoring ourselves. There is too 
much to gain to ignore this opportunity!

-Ben


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] AppStore

2011-06-27 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Charles-H. Schulz wrote (25-06-11 14:52)
 There was quite a lengthy discussion on the discuss list months ago
 about the same topic. Many things were written. I think that what would
 be really helpful would be if someone were to review the various app
 stores rules and terms, and identify the ones we can readily work with
 and the other ones where we would have a major legal problem. Would you
 like to drive this?
 [...]
 
 I support that proposal, Charles !

When we discussed this last year, I researched a bit and found the following 
article from the FSF:
http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance

The article's summary:

An iPhone port of GNU Go is currently being distributed through Apple's App 
Store. However, this distribution is not in compliance with the GNU GPL. The 
primary problem is that Apple imposes numerous legal restrictions on use and 
distribution of GNU Go through the iTunes Store Terms of Service, which is 
forbidden by section 6 of GPLv2. So today we have written to Apple and asked 
them to come into compliance. We would be happy to see Apple distribute these 
programs under the GPL's terms, but unfortunately, it seems much more likely 
that they'll simply make the problem go away by removing GNU Go from the App 
Store.

I think the above refers to the iOS App Store, but I do not know if the 
relevant terms are any different for the Mac App Store. (I think it predates 
the existence of the Mac App Store.) 

The other difference is that the article refers to the GPL and not specifically 
the LGPL license.

I will follow up further and let you know what I discover.

-Ben


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fw: [libreoffice-users] Steam Distribution Inquiry

2011-06-24 Thread Benjamin Horst
 million customers, in 22 languages, 21 
 localized payment forms and 3 currencies.
 
 Let me know when you might have a chance to discuss.
 
 Sincerely,
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] DVD Label Creation Software

2011-01-30 Thread Benjamin Horst
Anthony,

I don't know about the specialized software, but I have definitely seen DVD 
label templates in ODF format from a few years back. They are probably 
available in the templates repository for OOo, likely included in one of the 
larger template packages offered there.

-Ben

On Jan 30, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote:

 Hi Everyone,
 
 I'm wanting to create some specialized DVD labels for local distribution
 of LibreOffice. They will contain my companies contact information in
 case the user needs support.  Does anyone know of good DVD label making
 software for Linux or should I just stick to something like LibreOffice
 Drawing?
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Post on boing-boing

2011-01-26 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Jan 26, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
 On 1/26/11 4:30 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 
 Wonderful news! (They mentioned my name at the end of the post, so it must 
 be due to my submission to Boing Boing yesterday morning. Thanks to Italo, 
 Charles, Mike and the others who drove that PR process!)
 Boing Boing has long been one of the world's most-widely read blogs, so 
 there's no doubt it has helped spread our message far and wide.
 
 Hi Ben, I think you should write Cory a short thanks message, as you have 
 been mentioned as the source of the information (kudos). I think that we have 
 done a good job so far, but this is only the first piece of the story. I will 
 summarize the results during the week end, make PDFs of the articles and send 
 a message to all the editors.

I will definitely send him a thank-you note!

Italo: I'll look forward to reading your summary and continuing to work with 
you and the team on this project going forward.

 In ten years, I haven't seen the same coverage for any version of OOo, and 
 this means that if you do it right and you do not overkill people at the end 
 you hit a home run (and you get coverage).

I'm very excited at the preliminary results of our nascent work. This is quite 
promising.

 PC World is a small hiccup. We must be prepared to see some more of them, 
 because we must remember that Microsoft has a lot of money and the press 
 needs that money. I will write to the editor explaining our point of view. In 
 all these instances, we just need time and some patience (and there will 
 always be journalists on the Microsoft side, which is perfectly acceptable).

Yes, I'm not surprised by this. It is their job to fight as hard as they can 
for their interests, just as it is ours to fight for our community's.

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: New on ideas page

2011-01-07 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Jan 7, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

 Hi Ben (I'll bottom post on this one)
 
 Le 2011-01-07 11:36, Benjamin Horst a écrit :
 Thanks, Marc!
 
 I'm trying to consolidate the plane and instructions into one single sheet. 
 Though, for a conference it's fine to print one copy of the instructions and 
 many copies of the plane itself. For my next update of the draft, I will add 
 photos to the instruction page to make it clearer how it's done.
 
 Reference Cards will also be very useful. Solveig Haugland has long made 
 short how-to documents for OOo and may have some material to help get the 
 reference cards started. Her website is: http://openoffice.blogs.com/
 
 -Ben
 
 On Jan 7, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
 
 I have added 2 new items on the ideas page: LibreOffice Desktop Reference 
 Cards and LibreOffice Paper Airplane. [1]
 
 Feel free to have a look and to test out the airplanes. Comments are always 
 appreciated.
 
 Cheers
 
 Marc
 
 [1] 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#LibreOffice_Desktop_Reference_Cards
 
 
 Thanks for the link. Solveig looks like a very busy person. Ron Faile has 
 started a reference card page and will let us know when he has completed the 
 terminology set of words so that we can carry it on over here. [1] 
 (discussion)  He has also started a pdf file on it too. [2].

Great!

 Great to hear about the plane. Yes, folding instruction pages should not be 
 overused at booths or we could be too wasteful with paper. I was also 
 wondering about coloured stock paper (if the people manning the booth had a 
 small budget). Would you have any suggestions? Something light and easily 
 obtainable from local suppliers -- Staples in N.America ... not sure in 
 Europe. We could check to see if they had any regular LibreOffice colour 
 stock! Hey, maybe we could create our own name for stock paper! ... OK, maybe 
 going too far with this.
 
 Let us know when you have the photos ready. Should I do some for my version?

Ideally, I'll have some good photos soon so we don't have to duplicate our 
efforts. But if you want to go ahead today before I get the chance, that's fine 
too.

Colored paper could be nice too. We can adjust it seasonally, or for the venue.

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page

2010-12-30 Thread Benjamin Horst
Thanks, Charles.

On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:24 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 That is all true.
 But that does not mean that using an url as libreoffcedvd is
 automatically OK. Maybe we should have paid more attention
 discussing that?
 
 That's a valid point. But as far as I know, we don't have a policy on
 URLs that include the term libreoffice yet. Until we do, we cannot
 say that Dave is or is not following our policy!
 
 Once a fair policy is developed and agreed upon, I'm sure he and
 other project participants will be happy to follow it. Have you heard
 any discussion about this topic elsewhere that I may have missed?
 
 No indeed. So what I can say is that we have no trademark policy that
 is being formalized now; I would as a caution advise against using
 LibreOffice and the Document Foundation as trademarks for the moment.
 On the other hand I commit myself to discuss an upcoming and acceptable
 trademark policy asap and to speed up things.

We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful 
policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in 
their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names of 
non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a good 
model for LibreOffice as well.

I am looking forward to this conversation and developing a good policy for the 
trademarks going forward. Thanks for your input so far.

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page

2010-12-30 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
 On 12/30/2010 03:35 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 
 We can take a look at the example of the Drupal community for one successful 
 policy. The Drupal trademark cannot be used by for-profit companies or in 
 their domains, but it is permitted for non-profits and in the domain names 
 of non-profits. I think this has worked well for them, and could provide a 
 good model for LibreOffice as well.
 
 I will be working at a draft trademark policy based on Ubuntu, Drupal and 
 WikiMedia trademark policies. I will share it as soon as it will be polished 
 enough to be considered a working draft. Please point me to other trademark 
 policies if they are worth looking at.

Just thinking of other major open source projects, the following come to mind:

Linux
Firefox
Eclipse
KDE
GNOME

Firefox should definitely be on our list, while the others may also help.

Thanks!

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO DVD fulfillment web-page

2010-12-29 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Dec 29, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

 Hi Ben, *,
 
 Benjamin Horst wrote (29-12-10 03:09)
 On Dec 28, 2010, at 5:56 PM, drew wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-12-28 at 23:39 +0100, Charles-H. Schulz wrote:
 But please don't set up websites in the blue like this.
 
 IMO that is just wrong, Dave has kept this list apprised at every
 step he has taken, as he took it.
 
 Indeed, Dave brought this up some time ago and a number of people
 discussed it in a thread. My recollection is that I (and others)
 strongly encouraged he do this. It was, and is, my understanding that
 LibO has no official disc distributor and is happy to have
 individuals provide the service within their local regions. The open
 source nature of the software encourages this, and at the very
 reasonable price point Dave chose, I don't see what could be a
 problem here. More people will be able to get copies of LibreOffice,
 which is good for the project and all of us involved!
 
 That is all true.
 But that does not mean that using an url as libreoffcedvd is automatically 
 OK. Maybe we should have paid more attention discussing that?

That's a valid point. But as far as I know, we don't have a policy on URLs that 
include the term libreoffice yet. Until we do, we cannot say that Dave is or 
is not following our policy!

Once a fair policy is developed and agreed upon, I'm sure he and other project 
participants will be happy to follow it. Have you heard any discussion about 
this topic elsewhere that I may have missed?

-Ben

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[libreoffice-marketing] Re: [us-marketing] I'm back in the game.

2010-12-28 Thread Benjamin Horst
Welcome back, Dave! I think you are doing the right thing here. You are 
creating a valuable service that might be the only possible option some people 
have to access LibreOffice!

-Ben

On Dec 28, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Dave Johnson wrote:

 I'm not going to let a little negative talk dissuade me from fulfilling a 
 need. I see a need in the market and I want to fulfill that need with the 
 highest quality professionally manufactured DVD's containing Mac and Window$ 
 binaries.  The disc will also have copious amounts of templates and 
 extensions to include After the Deadline spelling and grammar checker. 
 
 Thanks Ben for your words of encouragement.
 
 
 
 Dave Johnson, USNFR
 davefilms...@gmail.com
 6195496830
 http://www.davefilms.us
 (619) 335-5314
 (619) 335-5314Dave Johnson DUNS number: 826989779
 
 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send 
 OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Dave Johnson davefilms...@gmail.com
 Date: December 28, 2010 8:19:13 PM CST
 To: Benjamin Horst bho...@mac.com
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: I am out.
 
 Thanks Ben.
 
 I'm back in the game.
 
 Dave Johnson, USNFR
 davefilms...@gmail.com
 6195496830
 http://www.davefilms.us
 (619) 335-5314
 (619) 335-5314Dave Johnson DUNS number: 826989779
 
 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send 
 OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; 
 
 On Dec 28, 2010, at 8:11 PM, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 
 Dave,
 
 Don't pay any attention to Charles' angry message. I don't know what he's 
 talking about. I'm on your side. Let me know how I can help, and if it 
 takes a little bit of a fight, I'm willing to stand with you through it.
 
 -Ben
 
 On Dec 28, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
 
 David, what's up?
 Did you realize some people are on Christmas vacation and just don't 
 follow their e-mail right now?
 
 So, can you tell me what's up?
 
 Florian (who *IS* on vacation)
 
 Dave Johnson wrote on 2010-12-28 23.58:
 I'm done. So long folks. Have fun.
 
 Dave Johnson, USNFR
 davefilms...@gmail.com mailto:davefilms...@gmail.com
 6195496830
 http://www.davefilms.us
 *(619) 335-5314*
 **(619) 335-5314**Dave Johnson DUNS number: 826989779**
 
 Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send
 OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/;
 
 
 -- 
 Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
 Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation
 Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108
 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Res: LibO resources ready for final version announcements

2010-12-22 Thread Benjamin Horst
Hi Christoph,

Thanks for the feedback! 

I've created a new version which can be downloaded from the same link on the 
same page (a 1 has been appended to the filename itself): 

http://www.solidoffice.com/2010/12/libreoffice-paper-plane/

On Dec 21, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Christoph Noack wrote:
 Am Dienstag, den 21.12.2010, 14:46 -0500 schrieb Benjamin Horst:
 [...]
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I've created a draft paper airplane design and posted the ODG to my
 site: http://www.solidoffice.com/2010/12/libreoffice-paper-plane/
 
 Please print, test and send me your feedback.
 
 Concerning printing, given the fact that some printers do have
 limitations with regard to page margins ... is there any way to consider
 this? For example, adding some margin (e.g. 10 mm) to not run into
 problems?

I placed important elements far enough from the edges of the paper so they will 
not be cut off. The folding lines do run right to the edge, but if they are not 
completely printed due to the physical limitations of the printer, it won't 
affect the output very much. I tested with a fairly standard home inkjet, which 
was able to print to within about 1/8 inch (about 1/2 cm) of the paper edges, 
and it works fine.

If a printer can print right to the paper edge, this design will take advantage 
of that.

 Is it planned to provide a duplex design, so that we can use both
 pages for advertising/instructions/... ?

Possibly. I was thinking of creating a second page that would contain folding 
instructions (with illustrations of some key steps). My thought was that users 
would print some of the instructions pages for conferences, along with many of 
the template pages to give away. Recipients could fold their page at the booth 
while reading the instructions and speaking with our booth staff. (This would 
save paper and give them something easy to talk about.)

It would also be easy to modify the design to create a large space on the 
bottom of the folded plane for additional advertising. (The space on the top of 
the plane is fairly large already.)

 And some minor (nitpicking) stuff: The logo uses a white background -
 this conflicts somehow with the slight gradient behind. In my opinion,
 it would look better to use a transparent version. Here are some:
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources

Thanks--the logo I was using was just to show the potential placement, but I've 
updated it with the transparent background version, which is a nice improvement.

 This is a relatively unique design I found online that glides
 extremely well, and leaves a nice space on which we can place the LibO
 logo or other custom messaging for events. 
 
 That's cool, especially if there is some advertisement being visible
 once it is folded ;-)

It is very visible!

The unique design is like LibO itself--not the ordinary standard people 
everywhere use (yet), but actually something better in many ways that just 
takes a little getting used to for newbies.

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment

2010-12-09 Thread Benjamin Horst
I think we need links for you both. You should set up a web page of your own, 
describing what you will sell, and where, and the LibO download page can link 
to your site under a Shipped Media section.

Ben

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Brenden Seibel bsei...@guateconexion.com wrote:

 I'm in Guatemala and would be willing to be listed as a contact for Cd/DVD 
 versions for Central America.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Dave Johnson [mailto:davefilms...@gmail.com] 
 Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 8:48 AM
 To: marketing@libreoffice.org
 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment
 
 please put my info on the site.
 
 Dave Johnson
 
 On Dec 8, 2010 10:37 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote:
 
 Le 2010-12-08 21:40, Benjamin Horst a écrit :
 
 
 
 On Dec 8, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Dave Johnson wrote:
 
 I am willing to burn CD / DVD's for custo...
 Thanks a lot Dave and Ben. Yes, we should have a spot for those who will burn 
 CD/DVD version of LibO. We'll have to make sure that we put one on the Drupal 
 site.
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Regional LibO CD/DVD fulfillment

2010-12-08 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Dec 8, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Dave Johnson wrote:
 I am willing to burn CD / DVD's for customers in the US for a minimal fee of 
 $4.99 USD per order. If this is permissible. I am located in Tennessee, USA. 
 This would take care of folks with dial-up internet connections.

Dave, I think this is a good idea. In the past, some OOo community members sold 
installer CDs on Ebay and moved at least 100 units a week (this was from just 
one family I spoke with). Ebay had a policy against selling software CDs, even 
FOSS, so they ended up abandoning the project. However, if you can find a good 
platform (maybe Etsy or CafePress?), I think you can provide a valuable service 
and produce some income too. 

In terms of the software licensing, you are fully free to do this. 

Ultimately, we should put contact info for CD sellers on the website download 
page. We just need to ensure we fairly represent everyone who wants to set up 
such an operation. For now, though, go for it!

-Ben


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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Magazine -- official monthly magazine to the LibreOffice world

2010-11-29 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Nov 27, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
 Is actually published by a company called Linux Identity, you can see other 
 issues of the mag here:
 http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/shop/index.php

I, and other community members, have written for Linux Identity several times. 
They typically produce a special edition OpenOffice.org Magazine each year, 
which is printed and sold in bookstores. In NYC at least, I always see it at 
Barnes and Noble.

I don't know what their plans are regarding LibO, but I expect that we'll be 
involved again. If anyone has specific questions for them, I will be happy to 
forward to my contact at Linux Identity, Caroline (I don't think I know her 
last name).

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice Magazine -- official monthly magazine to the LibreOffice world

2010-11-29 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Andy Brown wrote:
 On Mon Nov 29 2010 08:12:42 GMT-0800 (PST)  Benjamin Horst wrote:
 On Nov 27, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Danishka Navin wrote:
 On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:30 AM, Sadiq Saif sadiq.9...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I agree with Dhiren here. It might be difficult to produce unique and
 interesting content for the duration of one month.
 
 Also, I assume the magazine will be in PDF format?
 
 we can add PDF option but just plain text email would be good for low
 bandwidth users.
 
 We can cover;
 
 New Features
 Community Events
 An Interview
 LibreOffice Tips
 Success Stories
 As a email newsletter, this concept matches perfectly with the idea of an 
 end user-focused broadcast email that I've been considering. We would 
 collect user email addresses when they download LibO from our site, and add 
 them to our mailing list. A precedent for this is the open source project 
 Miro ( http://getmiro.com/ ). Click the download button on the homepage and 
 you'll start downloading the app. While waiting, the page suggests you enter 
 your email address, and they add you to the mailing list. Every month or so, 
 they send a newsletter email, in HTML format, with news, reminders, events, 
 etc. It's a good way to keep users mindful of the application and project. I 
 think it would work for us too.
 -Ben
 
 As long as it is made clear to the user what they are getting and that it is 
 not required to download the program.

Yes, this is a very important point! 

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [Marketing] Marketing team needs and Drupal site development

2010-11-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Hi Ben and Drew:
 
 Neat! I had heard of these groups but have not as yet seen any where I live. 
 We are a university town with 2 universities and one community college. 
 Google even has a large building near the University of Waterloo (a Research 
 and Development Facility) and RIM (makers of the Blackberry) have their 
 corporate headquarters here in town as well as manufacturing plants.
 
 IMO, this is a great idea.
 
 This sounds more like it should have its own thread for proper discussion and 
 debate and it should also be included in with the: 
 http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas page.

Thanks for the reminder. :) I've added the Street Teams idea to the page here: 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Ideas#Street_Teams

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Facebook statistics

2010-11-08 Thread Benjamin Horst
On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 2010-11-08 14:53, Sophie Gautier a écrit :
 Hi all,
 
 I'm receiving the Facebook statistics and wonder who wants to
 advertise them, here they are this week :
 1,526 monthly active users 443 since last week
 2,118 people like this 212 since last week
 43 wall posts and comments this week 18 since last week
 1,541 visits this week 680 since last week
 
 Kind regards
 Sophie
 
 Hi Sophie, would this be something that you would post on our blog? Could be 
 just a small block item in the left or right hand column. Then, people who 
 drop by to read the blogs could also end up on our Facebook?
 
 Would this make sense?

It makes great sense--but we can make it automatic! Facebook offers widgets 
that you embed, and which will integrate a fan page and site very easily. 
Ultimately, we should integrate it on our homepage, I think.

This one needs to appear on the page to which it refers:
http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like-box

This one can appear on any page:
http://www.facebook.com/badges/page.php

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Facebook statistics

2010-11-08 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:57 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 Le 2010-11-08 15:45, Benjamin Horst a écrit :
 On Nov 8, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
 
 Hi Sophie, would this be something that you would post on our blog? Could 
 be just a small block item in the left or right hand column. Then, people 
 who drop by to read the blogs could also end up on our Facebook?
 
 Would this make sense?
 
 It makes great sense--but we can make it automatic! Facebook offers widgets 
 that you embed, and which will integrate a fan page and site very easily. 
 Ultimately, we should integrate it on our homepage, I think.
 
 This one needs to appear on the page to which it refers:
 http://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/plugins/like-box
 
 This one can appear on any page:
 http://www.facebook.com/badges/page.php
 
 Makes even more sense if we did it that way. Is there the same for Twitter? I 
 thought we had a Twitter account too. Or did I miss something? A Twitter 
 would mean more work.

Twitter's closest equivalent is the tweet button: 
http://twitter.com/about/resources/tweetbutton

Using it, we can also recommend users follow our official twitter account after 
they click the tweet button on the page.

Other potential buttons for the homepage could include a Google Buzz button and 
a signup-for-our-mailing-list button. (That last one would be a custom 
implementation. :)

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Change icon?

2010-11-03 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:27 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

 Le 2010-11-02 19:58, David Nelson a écrit :
 
 Your paper plane fits in superbly with the paper sheet, as a natural
 development thereof. The possibilities are many. It can be made into
 something that fires empathy in the young and old, the simple and the
 sophisticated.
 
 What do you think about the idea of giving it eyes, or some kind of
 face? Can you find a way to breathe life into it, like the old man
 into Pinnochio?
 
 David Nelson
 
 
 I don't think you would need to personify it.
 
 How about when you start a document, the logo starts off with the LibO logo 
 that we have worked on and the more you type, the more the folds of a paper 
 plane appear, and then the logo shows a paper plane outline to finally its 
 final shape of a paper plane ready to fly ... it is done!

I am liking the paper plane icon concept more and more, as well.

To go along with the icon, we could create various folding templates for 
different paper plane designs, put a LibO icon on them in prominent places, and 
distribute them digitally as ODGs and PDFs. We could print them out for 
conferences, and let people pick them up and fold them using instructions 
printed as part of the template.

There are many great designs to be found online, such as these: 
http://www.funpaperairplanes.com/Plane%20Downloads.html

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice with Windows on new computers: why not?

2010-11-01 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Oct 31, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Monfort Florian wrote:
 Le dimanche 31 octobre 2010 à 00:39 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit :
 Le 2010-10-30 23:05, Graham Lauder a écrit :
 On Sunday 31 Oct 2010 14:24:08 Anthony Papillion wrote:
 On 10/30/2010 7:54 PM, Michel Gagnon wrote:
 I have another idea. I see on all French distributors in the magazine
 section magazines specialised with a specific distribution ( Fedora or
 OpenSuse or ubuntu etc ... ). These provide one CD or DVD with the
 distro, some additional packages. The content of the magazine is always
 a basic explanation of the installation, use etc ...
 
 Why couldn't we do the same for LibO ? These magazines costs only about
 9€ ... Which I don't know what's the equivalent in dollars sorry !
 But if they can do it with distros, maybe we can do it with a CD
 containing the libO suite, and some softwares from our future partners ?
 
 This is a way to show some visibility without the formal and usually
 expensive Microsoft way to sell his own suite. I think people could
 really be interested about it.

Several of us have written for OpenOffice.org magazine special issues that are 
put out about once per year by Linux Identity: 
http://www.linuxidentity.com/us/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=5041

They are a French company (with some offices in Poland), but offer the 
magazines in English. I have seen them on the shelves of major retailers 
including Barnes and Noble. The magazine includes a DVD with the OOo installer 
and other bonus materials. 

This may be what you've seen on store shelves, too. Look around in that same 
section and let us know if you see the OOo special edition there. (The latest 
one even has my picture in it. :)

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Fwd: Libre Office's future strategy - suggestions from a Computer Weekly article that may be of use to the Foundation

2010-10-30 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Oct 29, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Monfort Florian wrote:

 Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 12:13 -0400, Benjamin Horst a écrit :
 
 
 I think we need to look ahead to tablets, based on iOS and Android. 
 According to recent news articles, sales of iPads have made Apple the number 
 one computer vendor in the USA. Thinking strategically, it looks like the 
 developing world may skip PCs entirely and adopt tablets as their standard 
 computing platform going forward, just like they skipped landlines in favor 
 of mobile phones. Microsoft Windows will have an enormous challenge to gain 
 any foothold in this market, and MS Office too. Thus, we have an opportunity 
 to start on a level playing field here, without the huge inertia MS has long 
 enjoyed. On a fair playing field, we will win--no question.
 
 My strategic suggestion is that we build a LibreOffice Touch for Android 
 and iOS tablets as the first new member of this broader family of products. 
 Full ODF support will allow compatibility with LibreOffice, and consistent 
 branding will help reinforce both product lines.
 
 (As for web office suites, I researched this recently. Zimbra provides open 
 source web-based docs and spreadsheets that customers can install on their 
 own servers, first launched in 2006: 
 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/web2explorer/zimbra-launches-zimbra-documents/259  
 If we want to work in this area, collaborating with Zimbra could give us a 
 jump start.)
 
 -Ben
 
 I totally agree with Benjamin. Anticipating the reactions of the
 costumers is the best way the ensure visiblity against Microsoft, who
 will work for works suites on forgotten desktops.
 
 What's the next step ?

Let's create a wiki page to summarize the concept and list the conceptual 
requirements. From there, we'd need to find developers interested in working on 
the idea, collaborate with them to define specific goals and concepts, and then 
begin.

Montfort: Can you create this page and start fleshing out the idea in our wiki? 
I'll be very happy to pitch in soon.

Thanks,
Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] someone willing to interview some developers ?

2010-10-30 Thread Benjamin Horst
Cor,

On Oct 30, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:

 Hi Dave,
 
 Dave Johnson wrote (30-10-10 03:25)
 No problem. When is the deadline?
 
  There was some confusion with Christoph about my first mail, but we easily 
 solved that.
 
  We would like to have interviews with some of the developers that recently 
 joined LibreOffce, to give some face to the people behind it.
 
  I'll contact you with more details.

A friend of mine is interested in doing video interviews with project members, 
if we would like to try that. He is also a journalist and might be able to help 
with written interviews too, if another person's needed.

If there's interest, I will encourage him to join this list.

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Proposal for new Wiki Page(s) - event organizer kit

2010-10-25 Thread Benjamin Horst
To circle back: did you end up creating these pages, Drew? I saw a lot of 
positive feedback, and would like to read them myself, for potential future 
uses!

Thanks,
Ben

On Oct 14, 2010, at 7:22 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

 Hello,
 
 Was thinking that it makes sense to setup an event organizer Kit area
 on the wiki.
 
 This would be a place to list helpful tips and collateral for
 individuals looking at organizing LibO specific events:
 
 Meetups
 Booth at linux fest/expo
 mini-cons
 conferences
 
 What do folks think.
 
 Thanks
 
 Drew
 
 
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[libreoffice-marketing] The Upcoming Mac App Store

2010-10-20 Thread Benjamin Horst
http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/

The Mac App Store is just like the App Store for iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad. 
So it’s as easy to find and download Mac apps as it is to add your favorite 
magazine to iPad or a new game to iPod touch. You can browse Mac apps by 
category, such as games, productivity, music, and more. Or do a quick search 
for something specific. Read developer descriptions and user reviews. Flip 
through screenshots. When you find an app you like, click to buy it.

We need to ensure that LibreOffice is available on the forthcoming Mac App 
Store!

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibO in Academia

2010-10-17 Thread Benjamin Horst
In addition to the bibliography tools you mention in an offshoot of this 
thread, I've heard many requests for a note-taking application of some kind. 
(With the interface of Writer and the backend data storage provided by Base, 
maybe?)

-Ben

On Oct 17, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Marc Paré wrote:

 This thread is to explore the LibO use in Academia and tools necessary to 
 make it more appealing.
 
 Marc
 
 
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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Joining the marketing list

2010-10-17 Thread Benjamin Horst
 Melissa Ladd wrote on 2010-10-17 10.45:
 I just joined this marketing mailing list. I am by no means techy but I
 was an OOo user and am now a LibreOffice user, and would like to be of help
 in any way I can. Perhaps more on the aesthetics and how to market to women,
 than the techy aspects,;-)  hence this particular list.
 
 welcome on board! In fact, the secret master plan has always been to involve 
 more women in this project, so some professional help is always welcome. :-)
 
 No, seriously: The marketing part is just being built, and you jumped in at 
 the right time. We'll have a marketing conference call on the phone soon, and 
 if you want to join, feel free to cast your vote on day and time at 
 http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xs

Also, if you're located in or near the USA, you may want to join our regional 
list. To subscribe, send an email to marketing+subscr...@us.libreoffice.org

As Florian says, we definitely need new and fresh perspectives (not just 
techies) to participate in our marketing efforts around the world!

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] marketing conference call

2010-10-12 Thread Benjamin Horst
 I am in Canada with approx. 5-6 hours behind European time (opposite of 
 Graham). Mailists and IM would be my preferred way of communication if 
 possible. Unfortunate as it may sound the advantages of having an 
 international team are immense, the drawback is realtime meetings. Uh ... 
 unless someone can fly us to a common destination for an afternoon.  Anyone? 
 LOL. You are all welcome to come to my house, and, it's Octoberfest here too! 
 (Waterloo Canada)

I think a regional group addressing the US and Canada is one possible answer to 
this. Drew Jensen and a few others have been working to get this started--so, 
if you're not already a part of that, here's an invitation to join!

-Ben

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Re: [libreoffice-marketing] marketing conference call

2010-10-12 Thread Benjamin Horst

On Oct 12, 2010, at 12:04 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 11:50 -0400, Benjamin Horst wrote:
 I am in Canada with approx. 5-6 hours behind European time (opposite of 
 Graham). Mailists and IM would be my preferred way of communication if 
 possible. Unfortunate as it may sound the advantages of having an 
 international team are immense, the drawback is realtime meetings. Uh ... 
 unless someone can fly us to a common destination for an afternoon.  
 Anyone? LOL. You are all welcome to come to my house, and, it's Octoberfest 
 here too! (Waterloo Canada)
 
 I think a regional group addressing the US and Canada is one possible answer 
 to this. Drew Jensen and a few others have been working to get this 
 started--so, if you're not already a part of that, here's an invitation to 
 join!
 
 
 Yes, I was calling it a US group but I could of, and perhaps really
 should of called it a North America Group...Canada, USA and Mexico.

Central America and the Caribbean are also considered parts of North America. 
Not sure if we have any folks active in those regions yet, though.

-Ben

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